Elektron Musical Instruments

Right, 

I've had my MD for about 3 months now and it's now full of sequences/patterns for my live 
set... I am using it in combo with an mpc 4000 which I use to sequence my Proteus 2K for 
bass lines and pads and also some loops and one shots from the mpc's internal sampler... 

Just curious if anyone else is using this sort of combo (even if it's an mpc 1000) and if so, 
how are you controlling the sequence changes etc... I am asking this because I want to be 
focusing on one machine to do the sequence changes... which one would you use, how do 
you go about either making program changes from the mpc to the MD or use the MD to flip 
the sequences on the MPC... 

one more thing... don't know of this has been discussed already but I would definately love 
elektron to make the mutes triggerable from an external peice of gear.... by this I mean 
making it possible to make mute mappings in the mpc to flip the mutes and without being in 
song mode... 

thanks for any help

Andy, interesting!
I'm using the same kind of setup, but with an MPC-1000..
Do you use your MPC as a main sequencer? I've tried that, but there were 
some problems doing so. I'm using my MD as main sequencer now. The 
problem is that the MPC sends programchanges each time it loops. This 
will reload the selected patch of the synths connected (2xMS2000+virus) 
- therefor the sequence it plays is a little delayed and it sounds like 
a little click at the beginning. Also, the tempo's of the sequences are 
most of the time different, so I'd like some external gear to act as a 
main clock for all MPC sequences.
Now that I've got the MD as a main sequencer, it all works fine: The MPC 
starts playing when I push play on the MD. This way I can make a 
complete song in renoise, render the song to wave, cut them out in 
soundforge, load them into the MPC, split the samples to multi-programs 
with the chopperfunction, get crazy with MPC song mode, and add a hell 
lot of wicked beats with the MD, adding up synth voices with the M1-M4 
channels of the MD which midi-out stuff to the external synths.
Layers enough, I would say..
then only 1 problem remains:  Saving the work... (and don't forget to 
write on little notes which patterns match to which patches)..
(that, btw, is the only thing that stinks)

-chris
ps. here's a pic:  http://members.home.nl/cosmiq/studio.jpg




ANDY wrote:

> Right,
>
> I've had my MD for about 3 months now and it's now full of 
> sequences/patterns for my live
> set... I am using it in combo with an mpc 4000 which I use to sequence 
> my Proteus 2K for
> bass lines and pads and also some loops and one shots from the mpc's 
> internal sampler...
>
> Just curious if anyone else is using this sort of combo (even if it's 
> an mpc 1000) and if so,
> how are you controlling the sequence changes etc... I am asking this 
> because I want to be
> focusing on one machine to do the sequence changes... which one would 
> you use, how do
> you go about either making program changes from the mpc to the MD or 
> use the MD to flip
> the sequences on the MPC...
>
> one more thing... don't know of this has been discussed already but I 
> would definately love
> elektron to make the mutes triggerable from an external peice of 
> gear.... by this I mean
> making it possible to make mute mappings in the mpc to flip the mutes 
> and without being in
> song mode...
>
> thanks for any help
>
>
>
>
>
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Thanks for the response Chris... Interesting comments...

As far as using the mpc to trigger notes on the MD, that is fine but 
the only problem is that you loose one of the things that makes the 
MD so incredible... The parameter locks... I wish elektron would 
make it possible to just use the parameter locks even though you 
would be sequencing the notes on an external sequencer... man that 
would be killer... cause you could add a shit load of spice to the 
beats and have longer sequences... Then all you would have to do is 
load an empty pattern with a specific kit an you would be flying... 

I actually use the mpc as the clock master. the only thing which 
I've noticed is that when you are on a track which is attached to 
the proteus, if you tweak the parameters on the md, it also tweaks 
the controller of the proteus... The way around that is simply to 
unhook the MD out and you're all set... I just prefer to focus on 
one machine when I'm playing live...I can't imagine working without 
the mpc though but solution is probably just to record the sounds 
from the proteus as samples and only use the MPC and the MD... I 
don't really mind that except that I loose the quality of the e-mu 
filters... ... What I would love is if I could just use the MD to 
trigger the next sequence on my MPC... Funny enough, the reverb 
button on the MD acts on the Next sequence of the MPC but it's a bit 
wild.. 

I don't know, it's trial time at the moment but I'm sure I will find 
a solution. 

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Chris Stammen <Cosmiq@...> 
wrote:
>
> Andy, interesting!
> I'm using the same kind of setup, but with an MPC-1000..
> Do you use your MPC as a main sequencer? I've tried that, but 
there were 
> some problems doing so. I'm using my MD as main sequencer now. The 
> problem is that the MPC sends programchanges each time it loops. 
This 
> will reload the selected patch of the synths connected 
(2xMS2000+virus) 
> - therefor the sequence it plays is a little delayed and it sounds 
like 
> a little click at the beginning. Also, the tempo's of the 
sequences are 
> most of the time different, so I'd like some external gear to act 
as a 
> main clock for all MPC sequences.
> Now that I've got the MD as a main sequencer, it all works fine: 
The MPC 
> starts playing when I push play on the MD. This way I can make a 
> complete song in renoise, render the song to wave, cut them out in 
> soundforge, load them into the MPC, split the samples to multi-
programs 
> with the chopperfunction, get crazy with MPC song mode, and add a 
hell 
> lot of wicked beats with the MD, adding up synth voices with the 
M1-M4 
> channels of the MD which midi-out stuff to the external synths.
> Layers enough, I would say..
> then only 1 problem remains:  Saving the work... (and don't forget 
to 
> write on little notes which patterns match to which patches)..
> (that, btw, is the only thing that stinks)
> 
> -chris
> ps. here's a pic:  http://members.home.nl/cosmiq/studio.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ANDY wrote:
> 
> > Right,
> >
> > I've had my MD for about 3 months now and it's now full of 
> > sequences/patterns for my live
> > set... I am using it in combo with an mpc 4000 which I use to 
sequence 
> > my Proteus 2K for
> > bass lines and pads and also some loops and one shots from the 
mpc's 
> > internal sampler...
> >
> > Just curious if anyone else is using this sort of combo (even if 
it's 
> > an mpc 1000) and if so,
> > how are you controlling the sequence changes etc... I am asking 
this 
> > because I want to be
> > focusing on one machine to do the sequence changes... which one 
would 
> > you use, how do
> > you go about either making program changes from the mpc to the 
MD or 
> > use the MD to flip
> > the sequences on the MPC...
> >
> > one more thing... don't know of this has been discussed already 
but I 
> > would definately love
> > elektron to make the mutes triggerable from an external peice of 
> > gear.... by this I mean
> > making it possible to make mute mappings in the mpc to flip the 
mutes 
> > and without being in
> > song mode...
> >
> > thanks for any help
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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hehe.. and don't forget,  less is more!
I'm considering selling all my hardware stuff, except for the MD-uw and 
MPC. With the money of the selling, I want to buy one 'great' synth, 
like the Virus-TI or likewise..
Just the fact that I have to switch 15 on/off- buttons before I can 
start -- it's too much! Lately I'm just playing with everything, but not 
'recording' and thus producing stuff..(which I would do more likely with 
less equipment).
Andy, you probably made me sell my stuff. And I will begin next week. ;)
-Chris




ANDY wrote:

> Thanks for the response Chris... Interesting comments...
>
> As far as using the mpc to trigger notes on the MD, that is fine but
> the only problem is that you loose one of the things that makes the
> MD so incredible... The parameter locks... I wish elektron would
> make it possible to just use the parameter locks even though you
> would be sequencing the notes on an external sequencer... man that
> would be killer... cause you could add a shit load of spice to the
> beats and have longer sequences... Then all you would have to do is
> load an empty pattern with a specific kit an you would be flying...
>
> I actually use the mpc as the clock master. the only thing which
> I've noticed is that when you are on a track which is attached to
> the proteus, if you tweak the parameters on the md, it also tweaks
> the controller of the proteus... The way around that is simply to
> unhook the MD out and you're all set... I just prefer to focus on
> one machine when I'm playing live...I can't imagine working without
> the mpc though but solution is probably just to record the sounds
> from the proteus as samples and only use the MPC and the MD... I
> don't really mind that except that I loose the quality of the e-mu
> filters... ... What I would love is if I could just use the MD to
> trigger the next sequence on my MPC... Funny enough, the reverb
> button on the MD acts on the Next sequence of the MPC but it's a bit
> wild..
>
> I don't know, it's trial time at the moment but I'm sure I will find
> a solution.
>
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Chris Stammen <Cosmiq@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Andy, interesting!
> > I'm using the same kind of setup, but with an MPC-1000..
> > Do you use your MPC as a main sequencer? I've tried that, but
> there were
> > some problems doing so. I'm using my MD as main sequencer now. The
> > problem is that the MPC sends programchanges each time it loops.
> This
> > will reload the selected patch of the synths connected
> (2xMS2000+virus)
> > - therefor the sequence it plays is a little delayed and it sounds
> like
> > a little click at the beginning. Also, the tempo's of the
> sequences are
> > most of the time different, so I'd like some external gear to act
> as a
> > main clock for all MPC sequences.
> > Now that I've got the MD as a main sequencer, it all works fine:
> The MPC
> > starts playing when I push play on the MD. This way I can make a
> > complete song in renoise, render the song to wave, cut them out in
> > soundforge, load them into the MPC, split the samples to multi-
> programs
> > with the chopperfunction, get crazy with MPC song mode, and add a
> hell
> > lot of wicked beats with the MD, adding up synth voices with the
> M1-M4
> > channels of the MD which midi-out stuff to the external synths.
> > Layers enough, I would say..
> > then only 1 problem remains:  Saving the work... (and don't forget
> to
> > write on little notes which patterns match to which patches)..
> > (that, btw, is the only thing that stinks)
> >
> > -chris
> > ps. here's a pic:  http://members.home.nl/cosmiq/studio.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ANDY wrote:
> >
> > > Right,
> > >
> > > I've had my MD for about 3 months now and it's now full of
> > > sequences/patterns for my live
> > > set... I am using it in combo with an mpc 4000 which I use to
> sequence
> > > my Proteus 2K for
> > > bass lines and pads and also some loops and one shots from the
> mpc's
> > > internal sampler...
> > >
> > > Just curious if anyone else is using this sort of combo (even if
> it's
> > > an mpc 1000) and if so,
> > > how are you controlling the sequence changes etc... I am asking
> this
> > > because I want to be
> > > focusing on one machine to do the sequence changes... which one
> would
> > > you use, how do
> > > you go about either making program changes from the mpc to the
> MD or
> > > use the MD to flip
> > > the sequences on the MPC...
> > >
> > > one more thing... don't know of this has been discussed already
> but I
> > > would definately love
> > > elektron to make the mutes triggerable from an external peice of
> > > gear.... by this I mean
> > > making it possible to make mute mappings in the mpc to flip the
> mutes
> > > and without being in
> > > song mode...
> > >
> > > thanks for any help
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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That's exactly my train of thought too, I just have a few very nice
tools that I know well to play with.  MD-UW, TI-K, and Kontakt 2
(coming soon) for realistic instruments and sample mangling.

I find I'm far mroe productive that way, and more willing to try out
new things versus spending hours scrolling through presets.

The MD and TI compliment each other nicely BTW.

On 4/18/06, Chris Stammen <Cosmiq@...> wrote:
> hehe.. and don't forget,  less is more!
> I'm considering selling all my hardware stuff, except for the MD-uw and
> MPC. With the money of the selling, I want to buy one 'great' synth,
> like the Virus-TI or likewise..
> Just the fact that I have to switch 15 on/off- buttons before I can
> start -- it's too much! Lately I'm just playing with everything, but not
> 'recording' and thus producing stuff..(which I would do more likely with
> less equipment).
> Andy, you probably made me sell my stuff. And I will begin next week. ;)
> -Chris
>
>
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I have a MD, a virus b, and Kontakt with Logic as my DAW....  they all
work great together and do so fairly seemlessly.  As far as the virus
goes, i would love to have a C instead of B model for an EQ on every
channel, but i dont really see the point of getting a TI unless you
want the VST integration.  Could you possibly explain a few reasons
that justifies an extra $1500 for the TI over the C?

Personally, if it was up to me, I would wait a few months and go with
Kore from native instruments, and the Komplete package to go with it.  

It would be just as expensive, much  more versatile, and all of NI's
programs sound as good or better than most anything i've heard before.


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Tarekith <Tarekith@...> wrote:
>
> That's exactly my train of thought too, I just have a few very nice
> tools that I know well to play with.  MD-UW, TI-K, and Kontakt 2
> (coming soon) for realistic instruments and sample mangling.
> 
> I find I'm far mroe productive that way, and more willing to try out
> new things versus spending hours scrolling through presets.
> 
> The MD and TI compliment each other nicely BTW.
> 
> On 4/18/06, Chris Stammen <Cosmiq@...> wrote:
> > hehe.. and don't forget,  less is more!
> > I'm considering selling all my hardware stuff, except for the
MD-uw and
> > MPC. With the money of the selling, I want to buy one 'great' synth,
> > like the Virus-TI or likewise..
> > Just the fact that I have to switch 15 on/off- buttons before I can
> > start -- it's too much! Lately I'm just playing with everything,
but not
> > 'recording' and thus producing stuff..(which I would do more
likely with
> > less equipment).
> > Andy, you probably made me sell my stuff. And I will begin next
week. ;)

> > -Chris
> >
> >
> --
> Tarekith
> http://www.tarekith.com
>

On 4/18/06, djmitymike <mike1_3@...> wrote:
> Could you possibly explain a few reasons that justifies an extra $1500 for the TI over the C?

- wavetable synthesis
- delay AND reverb for each part
- embedded multi's
- Hypersaw (and for me, Hypersquare)
- User Arps
- Much, much better LCD
- Better mod matrix


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