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MachineDrum Gig Issue

2006-07-27 by mp

Hello,

I was recent played a gig with my MachineDrum and  a laptop, my  
partner also had a laptop. We've used this setup numerous times  
before - both out at gigs and practicing at home. At this most recent  
gig, the machine drum acted a bit strangely -- when it was plugged in  
to the power strips and sound ran through the main system the LCD on  
the MachineDrum would pulse in time with the beat... ultimately  
causing the MD to reboot and/or freeze. The pulsing only seemed to  
happen with volume was put through the main system - not the booth  
monitors.

The power was run off a generator (this was an outdoor event) and  
most everything was being run off the same generator. None of the  
other equipment (laptops, mixer, CD players...) seemed to be affected.

Any thoughts on why this was happening and what I can do to prevent  
it in the future?

Michael
---
www.picamusic.ca
www.dub.ca

Re: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue

2006-07-27 by roby@sweet-trip.net

Not sure if this is the same issue, but both the machinedrum and
monomachine's LCD screens flicker and become dim when connected on the
same or near a portable heater (heating machine)...



> Hello,
>
> I was recent played a gig with my MachineDrum and  a laptop, my
> partner also had a laptop. We've used this setup numerous times
> before - both out at gigs and practicing at home. At this most recent
> gig, the machine drum acted a bit strangely -- when it was plugged in
> to the power strips and sound ran through the main system the LCD on
> the MachineDrum would pulse in time with the beat... ultimately
> causing the MD to reboot and/or freeze. The pulsing only seemed to
> happen with volume was put through the main system - not the booth
> monitors.
>
> The power was run off a generator (this was an outdoor event) and
> most everything was being run off the same generator. None of the
> other equipment (laptops, mixer, CD players...) seemed to be affected.
>
> Any thoughts on why this was happening and what I can do to prevent
> it in the future?
>
> Michael
> ---
> www.picamusic.ca
> www.dub.ca
>


/roby
//www.sweet-trip.net

Re: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue

2006-07-27 by Tarekith

Were you using any sort of power conditioner, line regulator?  I
always use a small UPS system for my live gigs, as power supplies at a
lot of venues can be very questionable.  Electronic equipment seems to
be the most sensitive to this.

On 7/27/06, mp <list@...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I was recent played a gig with my MachineDrum and  a laptop, my
> partner also had a laptop. We've used this setup numerous times
> before - both out at gigs and practicing at home. At this most recent
> gig, the machine drum acted a bit strangely -- when it was plugged in
> to the power strips and sound ran through the main system the LCD on
> the MachineDrum would pulse in time with the beat... ultimately
> causing the MD to reboot and/or freeze. The pulsing only seemed to
> happen with volume was put through the main system - not the booth
> monitors.
>
> The power was run off a generator (this was an outdoor event) and
> most everything was being run off the same generator. None of the
> other equipment (laptops, mixer, CD players...) seemed to be affected.
>
> Any thoughts on why this was happening and what I can do to prevent
> it in the future?
>
> Michael
> ---
> www.picamusic.ca
> www.dub.ca
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Tarekith
http://www.tarekith.com

Re: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue

2006-07-27 by Robert Krueger

Tarekith wrote:
> Were you using any sort of power conditioner, line regulator?  I
> always use a small UPS system for my live gigs, as power supplies at a
> lot of venues can be very questionable.  Electronic equipment seems to
> be the most sensitive to this.
> 


Definately consider a UPS solution, venue power can be so flakey....

Re: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue

2006-07-27 by synthyscott

I've run my laptop off of a generator (with my Belkin UPS as the "power strip") and had no problems, but never tried the MD with a generator.  It sounds like the MD didn't like the unclean AC power from the generator.  Although I have not verified that these will work in your particular situation, I think these are your best options: a regulator and a UPS (uninterruptible power supply).  Here are some options in order of the features you need and their cost-effectiveness.

Note: I would recommend getting the longest duration battery backup that you can afford (and that you're willing to lug around - the longer the battery backup, the bigger/heavier the unit gets).  Also, if you get a UPS or combination regulator/UPS, you will have to charge the UPS battery for 8 hrs. before usage in order for the battery backup to work.

1.) Consumer-grade regulated and battery-backed (i.e. UPS) power supply (e.g. APC Back-UPS LS, RS, and Pro series)
http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=22
http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=23
http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=27

2.) Consumer-grade regulated power supply (e.g. APC Line-R series)
http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=67

3.) Pro audio-grade regulated power supply (e.g. Furman AR series)
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AR1215/
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AR15

4.) Consumer-grade UPS - you can find these at any Office Depot or equivalent store, but it might not help your MD.  (not sure about this)
http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=21


Hope this helps!
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mp 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:14 AM
  Subject: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue


  Hello,

  I was recent played a gig with my MachineDrum and a laptop, my 
  partner also had a laptop. We've used this setup numerous times 
  before - both out at gigs and practicing at home. At this most recent 
  gig, the machine drum acted a bit strangely -- when it was plugged in 
  to the power strips and sound ran through the main system the LCD on 
  the MachineDrum would pulse in time with the beat... ultimately 
  causing the MD to reboot and/or freeze. The pulsing only seemed to 
  happen with volume was put through the main system - not the booth 
  monitors.

  The power was run off a generator (this was an outdoor event) and 
  most everything was being run off the same generator. None of the 
  other equipment (laptops, mixer, CD players...) seemed to be affected.

  Any thoughts on why this was happening and what I can do to prevent 
  it in the future?

  Michael
  ---
  www.picamusic.ca
  www.dub.ca


   

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue

2006-07-27 by rydan

My guess would be that the MD is a bit sensitive to voltage fluctuations. If the main PA amps were using a lot of power, that may cause the voltage from the generator to "dip" in time with the music. A laptop wouldn't be affected, since it has a battery that would even out these fluctuations. I would recommend running sensitive and "critical" gear on a small UPS, and not directly on the generator. At leat, if you're on the same power source as the PA and light rig, you should use a filter (APC or similar) to get rid of "spikes" and other noise on the power line...

/Patrik
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mp 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:14 PM
  Subject: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue


  Hello,

  I was recent played a gig with my MachineDrum and a laptop, my 
  partner also had a laptop. We've used this setup numerous times 
  before - both out at gigs and practicing at home. At this most recent 
  gig, the machine drum acted a bit strangely -- when it was plugged in 
  to the power strips and sound ran through the main system the LCD on 
  the MachineDrum would pulse in time with the beat... ultimately 
  causing the MD to reboot and/or freeze. The pulsing only seemed to 
  happen with volume was put through the main system - not the booth 
  monitors.

  The power was run off a generator (this was an outdoor event) and 
  most everything was being run off the same generator. None of the 
  other equipment (laptops, mixer, CD players...) seemed to be affected.

  Any thoughts on why this was happening and what I can do to prevent 
  it in the future?

  Michael
  ---
  www.picamusic.ca
  www.dub.ca


   

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue

2006-07-27 by synthyscott

The only reason I would suggest to him a regulator+UPS instead of just a UPS is that if the UPS kicks the battery backup on and off to the beat, there are a few possible issues (1) it is unknown if that rapid on/off switching will make the UPS malfunction or fail and (2) if the battery does get switched on and off on every beat of the music, it will probably run out much sooner than his live set is complete.

I'd say be safe and get a combo regulator+UPS if you're playing on a regulator.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rydan 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 6:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue


  My guess would be that the MD is a bit sensitive to voltage fluctuations. If the main PA amps were using a lot of power, that may cause the voltage from the generator to "dip" in time with the music. A laptop wouldn't be affected, since it has a battery that would even out these fluctuations. I would recommend running sensitive and "critical" gear on a small UPS, and not directly on the generator. At leat, if you're on the same power source as the PA and light rig, you should use a filter (APC or similar) to get rid of "spikes" and other noise on the power line...

  /Patrik

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mp 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:14 PM
  Subject: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue

  Hello,

  I was recent played a gig with my MachineDrum and a laptop, my 
  partner also had a laptop. We've used this setup numerous times 
  before - both out at gigs and practicing at home. At this most recent 
  gig, the machine drum acted a bit strangely -- when it was plugged in 
  to the power strips and sound ran through the main system the LCD on 
  the MachineDrum would pulse in time with the beat... ultimately 
  causing the MD to reboot and/or freeze. The pulsing only seemed to 
  happen with volume was put through the main system - not the booth 
  monitors.

  The power was run off a generator (this was an outdoor event) and 
  most everything was being run off the same generator. None of the 
  other equipment (laptops, mixer, CD players...) seemed to be affected.

  Any thoughts on why this was happening and what I can do to prevent 
  it in the future?

  Michael
  ---
  www.picamusic.ca
  www.dub.ca

  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



   

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue

2006-07-27 by synthyscott

typo corrrection below:  "... if you're playing on a generator".  ;-)
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: synthyscott 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 6:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue


  The only reason I would suggest to him a regulator+UPS instead of just a UPS is that if the UPS kicks the battery backup on and off to the beat, there are a few possible issues (1) it is unknown if that rapid on/off switching will make the UPS malfunction or fail and (2) if the battery does get switched on and off on every beat of the music, it will probably run out much sooner than his live set is complete.

  I'd say be safe and get a combo regulator+UPS if you're playing on a generator.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rydan 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 6:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue

  My guess would be that the MD is a bit sensitive to voltage fluctuations. If the main PA amps were using a lot of power, that may cause the voltage from the generator to "dip" in time with the music. A laptop wouldn't be affected, since it has a battery that would even out these fluctuations. I would recommend running sensitive and "critical" gear on a small UPS, and not directly on the generator. At leat, if you're on the same power source as the PA and light rig, you should use a filter (APC or similar) to get rid of "spikes" and other noise on the power line...

  /Patrik

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mp 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:14 PM
  Subject: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue

  Hello,

  I was recent played a gig with my MachineDrum and a laptop, my 
  partner also had a laptop. We've used this setup numerous times 
  before - both out at gigs and practicing at home. At this most recent 
  gig, the machine drum acted a bit strangely -- when it was plugged in 
  to the power strips and sound ran through the main system the LCD on 
  the MachineDrum would pulse in time with the beat... ultimately 
  causing the MD to reboot and/or freeze. The pulsing only seemed to 
  happen with volume was put through the main system - not the booth 
  monitors.

  The power was run off a generator (this was an outdoor event) and 
  most everything was being run off the same generator. None of the 
  other equipment (laptops, mixer, CD players...) seemed to be affected.

  Any thoughts on why this was happening and what I can do to prevent 
  it in the future?

  Michael
  ---
  www.picamusic.ca
  www.dub.ca

  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



   

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue

2006-07-28 by mp

Thanks to everyone who replied. I suspected what you all have  
confirmed. The MD seems more sensitive than the other equipment that  
was being used that weekend.

At the time I was not running any UPS or line regulator... but I will  
look into getting something now. It is outdoor festival season after  
all and best to be prepared.

Michael
--
www.picamusic.ca
www.dub.ca
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On 27-Jul-06, at 3:53 PM, synthyscott wrote:

> typo corrrection below:  "... if you're playing on a generator".  ;-)
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: synthyscott
>   To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 6:51 PM
>   Subject: Re: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue
>
>
>   The only reason I would suggest to him a regulator+UPS instead of  
> just a UPS is that if the UPS kicks the battery backup on and off  
> to the beat, there are a few possible issues (1) it is unknown if  
> that rapid on/off switching will make the UPS malfunction or fail  
> and (2) if the battery does get switched on and off on every beat  
> of the music, it will probably run out much sooner than his live  
> set is complete.
>
>   I'd say be safe and get a combo regulator+UPS if you're playing  
> on a generator.
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: rydan
>   To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 6:19 PM
>   Subject: Re: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue
>
>   My guess would be that the MD is a bit sensitive to voltage  
> fluctuations. If the main PA amps were using a lot of power, that  
> may cause the voltage from the generator to "dip" in time with the  
> music. A laptop wouldn't be affected, since it has a battery that  
> would even out these fluctuations. I would recommend running  
> sensitive and "critical" gear on a small UPS, and not directly on  
> the generator. At leat, if you're on the same power source as the  
> PA and light rig, you should use a filter (APC or similar) to get  
> rid of "spikes" and other noise on the power line...
>
>   /Patrik
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: mp
>   To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:14 PM
>   Subject: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue
>
>   Hello,
>
>   I was recent played a gig with my MachineDrum and a laptop, my
>   partner also had a laptop. We've used this setup numerous times
>   before - both out at gigs and practicing at home. At this most  
> recent
>   gig, the machine drum acted a bit strangely -- when it was  
> plugged in
>   to the power strips and sound ran through the main system the LCD on
>   the MachineDrum would pulse in time with the beat... ultimately
>   causing the MD to reboot and/or freeze. The pulsing only seemed to
>   happen with volume was put through the main system - not the booth
>   monitors.
>
>   The power was run off a generator (this was an outdoor event) and
>   most everything was being run off the same generator. None of the
>   other equipment (laptops, mixer, CD players...) seemed to be  
> affected.
>
>   Any thoughts on why this was happening and what I can do to prevent
>   it in the future?
>
>   Michael
>   ---
>   www.picamusic.ca
>   www.dub.ca
>
>   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [elektron] MachineDrum Gig Issue

2006-07-31 by Silvia Tubig

sounds a bit like that the capaciators for the
powersupply are to small in the MD.. this is no
surprise becuase there is probably not much
space...and high capacity micro caps are very
expensiv... 
...its however maybe an idea for a mod...
As long there is still garanty i wont open my MD...but
once its over i will check if this can be optimized..
i did it in the past with other machines..and its
funny when they hold playing 1 or two seconds after
you switched them off...

had problems with a K2000 in the past that allways was
loosing sample ram on stage because of little power
drops that was totally ignored from a akai s1100...
when the capaciators become so big that the machine
keeps running for a second after being disconnected
from the mains you are pretty safe...
the usuall powerfluctuations on stage are much
shorter...

--- mp <list@...> schrieb:

> Hello,
> 
> I was recent played a gig with my MachineDrum and  a
> laptop, my  
> partner also had a laptop. We've used this setup
> numerous times  
> before - both out at gigs and practicing at home. At
> this most recent  
> gig, the machine drum acted a bit strangely -- when
> it was plugged in  
> to the power strips and sound ran through the main
> system the LCD on  
> the MachineDrum would pulse in time with the beat...
> ultimately  
> causing the MD to reboot and/or freeze. The pulsing
> only seemed to  
> happen with volume was put through the main system -
> not the booth  
> monitors.
> 
> The power was run off a generator (this was an
> outdoor event) and  
> most everything was being run off the same
> generator. None of the  
> other equipment (laptops, mixer, CD players...)
> seemed to be affected.
> 
> Any thoughts on why this was happening and what I
> can do to prevent  
> it in the future?
> 
> Michael
> ---
> www.picamusic.ca
> www.dub.ca
> 



	

	
		
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