Elektron Musical Instruments

hello all,

i posted recently about midi sync. initially i wanted
to have my echoplex drive my machine drum and then my
machine drum to trigger my nord modular sequences. 

well, some of this did work and it has been fun, but i
have issues with the nord. when i trigger its
sequencer from machinedrum, i only want their clocks
in sync. but, the nord plays all the notes that are
cued from steps on my machine drum as well and doesn't
seem to follow the clock very well.

also, i was thinking that maybe i wouldn't  always
want the echoplex to be the master clock. 

i was looking at the midisync devices out there by
motu but i am not sure if they more than i need. i
basically want every gadget to be on the same clock
but do not necessarily want the notes  from multiple
synths to play in tandem via midi sync.

any and all help is greatly appreciated!

margaret

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Hello,
Sounds that you havent done the midi settings wright
in the machine drum...In such a minimal setup it
should be a decend clockmaster...

The MD sends out of 4 midichanels at once...You set
this in the global menu midi as base chanel. There you
also can disable midi output so that only midi
machines get to the midi outs..
You shouldnt use midimachines on the channels you
deceided to use on the MD...
I use 1-4 for MD when needed...usualy i switch midi
out off to improove the clocktiming... 5-8 is my nord
modular...
i sadly dont own an echoplex ;-)

within the nordmodular it might be necessary to delay
the clock a bit to get things a bit later..

welcome to the wonderfull world of midi problems :-)

Best regards,
Sven

--- margaret noble <margaretnoble2000@...>
schrieb:

> hello all,
> 
> i posted recently about midi sync. initially i
> wanted
> to have my echoplex drive my machine drum and then
> my
> machine drum to trigger my nord modular sequences. 
> 
> well, some of this did work and it has been fun, but
> i
> have issues with the nord. when i trigger its
> sequencer from machinedrum, i only want their clocks
> in sync. but, the nord plays all the notes that are
> cued from steps on my machine drum as well and
> doesn't
> seem to follow the clock very well.
> 
> also, i was thinking that maybe i wouldn't  always
> want the echoplex to be the master clock. 
> 
> i was looking at the midisync devices out there by
> motu but i am not sure if they more than i need. i
> basically want every gadget to be on the same clock
> but do not necessarily want the notes  from multiple
> synths to play in tandem via midi sync.
> 
> any and all help is greatly appreciated!
> 
> margaret
> 
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hello all :-)!!!

i have been experimenting with midi sync but still
haven't successfully configured it. i wanted to check
my facts with you since your last emails:

- no matter what midi channel you are on from a
device, all the channels will stay on the same
midi-clock. that is to say, that, if my echoplex is
the master clock, and it is transmitting midi data on
midi channel 1. if my machine drum is set as its slave
but receives midi data on midi channel 5 then it will
still be on the echoplex's master clock even though
the data is transmitting into another midi channel?

- i am trying to get all my patterns to play in time
but not have the machine drum trigger notes on the
nord modular 1 that aren't in its original programmed
sequence.

- does anyone know you have a special input configured
on your nord modular patches to make sure they receive
incoming midi clock signals? I am not sure i fully
understand the 'kbd" rec about NM1's from before.

i have been able to make my machine drum a slave to my
echoplex. but, i haven't been successful using the
"midi thru" or otherwise on the machine drum to
trigger the clock on my NM1 even though i have the nm1
midi clock set to external and i have the machine drum
set to receive incominf sync messages.

i have been doing alot of trial and error but haven't
been successful :-(

if you have any ideas, i would love your help, sorry
for pesky tech questions!!! thanks for your help :-)



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hi

>  if my machine drum is set as its slave
>but receives midi data on midi channel 5 then it will
>still be on the echoplex's master clock even though
>the data is transmitting into another midi channel?

right. usually the MIDI channel (1-16) doesn't matter when 
transmitting/receiving MIDI sync signals.

>
>- does anyone know you have a special input configured
>on your nord modular patches to make sure they receive
>incoming midi clock signals? I am not sure i fully
>understand the 'kbd" rec about NM1's from before.

My advice is to read the NM manual, especially the chapters covering 
the various types of sequencers and sync modules.

I'm not in front of my NM1 right now, but I'm pretty sure you have to 
use a MIDI global module to sync your NM patch to external MIDI. 
That's what I usually do when I want to sync my sequencer patches to 
my DAW or MPC.

Basically you set the NM to External Sync, then you use a Global MIDI 
module to transmit the external MIDI sync to the seq modules of your 
patch.

Don't forget to use a Clock Divider (the MIDI Global sync output is 
24 pulses per beat, so you might wanna use a Divider set to 6 to get 
a 16th notes sync pulse) and to have all your seq modules sync'd to 
the same Reset signal, so they all start and stop at the same time.

hope this helps
leo




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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, margaret noble
<margaretnoble2000@...> wrote:
>
> hello all :-)!!!
> 
> i have been experimenting with midi sync but still
> haven't successfully configured it. i wanted to check
> my facts with you since your last emails:
> 
> - no matter what midi channel you are on from a
> device, all the channels will stay on the same
> midi-clock. that is to say, that, if my echoplex is
> the master clock, and it is transmitting midi data on

> midi channel 1. if my machine drum is set as its slave
> but receives midi data on midi channel 5 then it will
> still be on the echoplex's master clock even though
> the data is transmitting into another midi channel?

erm yep ;} midi clock is independent of midi channels.

> 
> - i am trying to get all my patterns to play in time
> but not have the machine drum trigger notes on the
> nord modular 1 that aren't in its original programmed
> sequence.


if you *dont* want to sequence the nord from the MD use: echoplex midi
out> MD midi in> MD midi thru> midi in on the nord

if you want to use the MD to sequence the nord go MD midi out> nord
midi in and set you MD midi channels to a channel you recieve on the
nord.. for this MD should be master clock. to stop MD sending note
messages from its sequencer go through global>midi map editor>patt &
set all mappings to -- painful i know :]

> 
> - does anyone know you have a special input configured
> on your nord modular patches to make sure they receive
> incoming midi clock signals? I am not sure i fully
> understand the 'kbd" rec about NM1's from before.

i dont think its patch dependent *not sure*

> 
> i have been able to make my machine drum a slave to my
> echoplex. but, i haven't been successful using the
> "midi thru" or otherwise on the machine drum to
> trigger the clock on my NM1 even though i have the nm1
> midi clock set to external and i have the machine drum
> set to receive incominf sync messages.

midi thru is a copy of midi data received at midi in.. including midi
clock. it should work like that. sounds like you were using midi out
from the MD? 
you can't use the midi out from the MD.. unless MD is master clock, to
use it like this go to global> sync> tempo out> set it to on 

> 
> i have been doing alot of trial and error but haven't
> been successful :-(
> 

good luck :]

> if you have any ideas, i would love your help, sorry
> for pesky tech questions!!! thanks for your help :-)

it is probably best to use MD as master clock then you can sequence
tempo changes in MD song mode.. if you wanna

> 
> 

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Hi...
so to put it straight...the MD runs in sync to the
echoplex and this works fine? So the echoplex sends a
start command?
means...you press a footswitch on the echoplex and the
md starts..in sync...but the md not?
or do you have to start the md by hand?
you either are missing a start command for the nm or
just havent patched it wright,,,usually i would think
the MD would be better as clockmaster...

just try to get thwe MD and the NM hooked upo first...

enable clock and control output on the md in the
global/sync menu and see if the NM gets in sync when
connected to the M\ufffds midi out..

if not send me the patch you want to get runing in
sync as an example and i will modifie it in the way
that it runs in sync as an example...
i ve an MD a nord modular and a G2 here... i can check
if you done it wright...would be easier than distabnt
trouble shooting..
regards,
Sven

--- margaret noble <margaretnoble2000@...>
schrieb:

> hello all :-)!!!
> 
> i have been experimenting with midi sync but still
> haven't successfully configured it. i wanted to
> check
> my facts with you since your last emails:
> 
> - no matter what midi channel you are on from a
> device, all the channels will stay on the same
> midi-clock. that is to say, that, if my echoplex is
> the master clock, and it is transmitting midi data
> on
> midi channel 1. if my machine drum is set as its
> slave
> but receives midi data on midi channel 5 then it
> will
> still be on the echoplex's master clock even though
> the data is transmitting into another midi channel?
> 
> - i am trying to get all my patterns to play in time
> but not have the machine drum trigger notes on the
> nord modular 1 that aren't in its original
> programmed
> sequence.
> 
> - does anyone know you have a special input
> configured
> on your nord modular patches to make sure they
> receive
> incoming midi clock signals? I am not sure i fully
> understand the 'kbd" rec about NM1's from before.
> 
> i have been able to make my machine drum a slave to
> my
> echoplex. but, i haven't been successful using the
> "midi thru" or otherwise on the machine drum to
> trigger the clock on my NM1 even though i have the
> nm1
> midi clock set to external and i have the machine
> drum
> set to receive incominf sync messages.
> 
> i have been doing alot of trial and error but
> haven't
> been successful :-(
> 
> if you have any ideas, i would love your help, sorry
> for pesky tech questions!!! thanks for your help :-)
> 
> 
> 
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hey, thanks so much for writing back. i hacked into my
nord  patches and put in the midi global module and it
worked!!! whippee.

--- Silvia Tubig <rudebop@...> wrote:

> Hi...
> so to put it straight...the MD runs in sync to the
> echoplex and this works fine? So the echoplex sends
> a
> start command?
> means...you press a footswitch on the echoplex and
> the
> md starts..in sync...but the md not?
> or do you have to start the md by hand?
> you either are missing a start command for the nm or
> just havent patched it wright,,,usually i would
> think
> the MD would be better as clockmaster...
> 
> just try to get thwe MD and the NM hooked upo
> first...
> 
> enable clock and control output on the md in the
> global/sync menu and see if the NM gets in sync when
> connected to the M\ufffds midi out..
> 
> if not send me the patch you want to get runing in
> sync as an example and i will modifie it in the way
> that it runs in sync as an example...
> i ve an MD a nord modular and a G2 here... i can
> check
> if you done it wright...would be easier than
> distabnt
> trouble shooting..
> regards,
> Sven
> 
> --- margaret noble <margaretnoble2000@...>
> schrieb:
> 
> > hello all :-)!!!
> > 
> > i have been experimenting with midi sync but still
> > haven't successfully configured it. i wanted to
> > check
> > my facts with you since your last emails:
> > 
> > - no matter what midi channel you are on from a
> > device, all the channels will stay on the same
> > midi-clock. that is to say, that, if my echoplex
> is
> > the master clock, and it is transmitting midi data
> > on
> > midi channel 1. if my machine drum is set as its
> > slave
> > but receives midi data on midi channel 5 then it
> > will
> > still be on the echoplex's master clock even
> though
> > the data is transmitting into another midi
> channel?
> > 
> > - i am trying to get all my patterns to play in
> time
> > but not have the machine drum trigger notes on the
> > nord modular 1 that aren't in its original
> > programmed
> > sequence.
> > 
> > - does anyone know you have a special input
> > configured
> > on your nord modular patches to make sure they
> > receive
> > incoming midi clock signals? I am not sure i fully
> > understand the 'kbd" rec about NM1's from before.
> > 
> > i have been able to make my machine drum a slave
> to
> > my
> > echoplex. but, i haven't been successful using the
> > "midi thru" or otherwise on the machine drum to
> > trigger the clock on my NM1 even though i have the
> > nm1
> > midi clock set to external and i have the machine
> > drum
> > set to receive incominf sync messages.
> > 
> > i have been doing alot of trial and error but
> > haven't
> > been successful :-(
> > 
> > if you have any ideas, i would love your help,
> sorry
> > for pesky tech questions!!! thanks for your help
> :-)
> > 
> > 
> > 
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