Elektron Musical Instruments

I got my SidStation about a week ago, and have spent a lot of time 
trying to get an interesting sound out of it.

I can't believe the silly design faults they've made. For instance, 
why not have a bigger screen so that you don't have to confusingly 
navigate through different "pages"? And why not have a few more knobs 
so you don't have to select a parameter before you can alter it?

Simplicity is great, but the design layout of the SidStation is so 
simple that operating it, working with it, is made complicated.

As I said before, I've got an Ensoniq Fizmo, and I honestly can't 
find a sound yet on the SidStation that I couldn't have done a lot 
quicker and better on the Fizmo.

It just seems to be an awkward little box.

Please explain to me that I've got it very wrong.

Col.

> I got my SidStation about a week ago, and have spent a lot of time
> trying to get an interesting sound out of it.
>
> I can't believe the silly design faults they've made. For instance,
> why not have a bigger screen so that you don't have to confusingly
> navigate through different "pages"? And why not have a few more knobs
> so you don't have to select a parameter before you can alter it?

Ok, more knobs and a bigger lcd would make it easier to program, but 
the Sid would also cost more.

> Simplicity is great, but the design layout of the SidStation is so
> simple that operating it, working with it, is made complicated.

I think that the Sid is easier to program than a microQ, which has a 
similar interface.
But, sure, the MD is a lot easier than both!

> As I said before, I've got an Ensoniq Fizmo, and I honestly can't
> find a sound yet on the SidStation that I couldn't have done a lot
> quicker and better on the Fizmo.

Well, send it back and stay with the Fizmo.

I have never tried a Fizmo, but could it be that you just don't like 
the Sid sound?
I love it and i don't think that it can be easily reproduced with other 
synths... may be the Fizmo can?

le 01/05/2003 17:36, Col Dee à coldee@... a écrit :

> Please explain to me that I've got it very wrong.

Your bigger screen and additional pots and switches would cost a LOT of
money :-/

I can't speak on the other issues being not a SID fan.

Denis U]

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i've been meaning to ask this for a while:

can you make an interface using midi in C74's Max/MSP that you can use to control the Sid? i know there's an environment for Logic that someone made in the downloads area, but i don't use Logic. and i have been meaning to get into Max/MSP for a while and something like this would make it all the more appealing, especially since i don't really like using the Sid's interface much either.

-joe

You're right.The Sidstation is a piece of crap. I will gladly take
it off your hands for 450\ufffd ;-)

  Andy.


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I think many people would wish to have so much money
to spend on gear without looking at what it is first.

The Sidstation is a special tool that is not good for everybody,
and not for every production.

But I am shure you won\ufffdt get that roughness and wildness from any other
gear.

Flo

Hi!

When I was forced to review the SidStation for an spanish magazine, 
what I did was to list all the shortcomings, all the bugs, all the 
wrongs in the little machine, etc. I ended saying "I love it and it's 
the only synth I'm not trading". Some people keep wondering.

It's all about rawness.

Adieu!

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Splank!" <splank@z...> wrote:
> 
> I think many people would wish to have so much money
> to spend on gear without looking at what it is first.
> 
> The Sidstation is a special tool that is not good for everybody,
> and not for every production.
> 
> But I am shure you won´t get that roughness and wildness from any 
other

> gear.
> 
> Flo

le 02/05/2003 01:42, valladoliddiego à valladoliddiego@... a écrit :

> When I was forced to review the SidStation for an spanish magazine,
> what I did was to list all the shortcomings, all the bugs, all the
> wrongs in the little machine, etc. I ended saying "I love it and it's
> the only synth I'm not trading". Some people keep wondering.

Sometimes shortcomings and underspecs are instant gratification :)

> It's all about rawness.

Say RooOAAAAARRrrr

Denis U]

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le 02/05/2003 01:42, valladoliddiego à valladoliddiego@... a écrit :

> When I was forced to review the SidStation for an spanish magazine,

FORCED?

:))))))))))))))))))))))))

Denis U]

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I have sold it!! 

No nostalgia, no regret, out with the crap! It's annoying for editing and the sound does not fit my music many times.....

There are RAW sounds in it, OK.

You can get some very cool bleepy sounds pured out of it, but I have enough alternitives.

I've found that I can not use it very often, I look at an instrument as a tool to create my ideas the best way. It has a caracteristique sound wich is unique! But doesn't mean it is super musical and have a BIG "pallette" of sounds.(I think that's why it bores me the most). The very first time I worked with it I was amazed, really.But soon enough I realised that it's not for me to stick with it and to create new sounds. If you have heard all the sounddesigner patches, than you will here what I am talking about. They are good, but very often it sounds the same with a little difference ;o))

I think it can be a tool for some electro, some trance, and weirdo music. There is a HIT made with it, ZOMBIE NATION. And thats cool. But I think it is also a overHYPEd box, and that it's also too expensive. They now even put some extra CASH on it because they are selling the last 100 units, SHAME SHAME....(900 EURO ????)

Not for me, bought it 2nd hand for 400 euro shiny new, sold it for 400 euro same condition.

 

Have fun with it if U like the sound. It was a pleasure to have it a while under my roof, but that was it.

 

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Hi!

I'm still in the "amazement" phase. I don't know what I will think 
once I've sampled the life out of it. I love the Korg Poly-800 too, 
wich has even less sounds... Am I sick?

Still, it's great to know that Elektron hyped it so much that I could 
sell it for tons of money in the future... ;)

Adieu!

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Hi There <themeandyou@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> I have sold it!! 
> 
> No nostalgia, no regret, out with the crap! It's annoying for 
editing and the sound does not fit my music many times.....
> 
> There are RAW sounds in it, OK.
> 
> You can get some very cool bleepy sounds pured out of it, but I 
have enough alternitives.
> 
> I've found that I can not use it very often, I look at an 
instrument as a tool to create my ideas the best way. It has a 
caracteristique sound wich is unique! But doesn't mean it is super 
musical and have a BIG "pallette" of sounds.(I think that's why it 
bores me the most). The very first time I worked with it I was 
amazed, really.But soon enough I realised that it's not for me to 
stick with it and to create new sounds. If you have heard all the 
sounddesigner patches, than you will here what I am talking about. 
They are good, but very often it sounds the same with a little 
difference ;o))
> 
> I think it can be a tool for some electro, some trance, and weirdo 
music. There is a HIT made with it, ZOMBIE NATION. And thats cool. 
But I think it is also a overHYPEd box, and that it's also too 
expensive. They now even put some extra CASH on it because they are 
selling the last 100 units, SHAME SHAME....(900 EURO ????)
> 
> Not for me, bought it 2nd hand for 400 euro shiny new, sold it for 
400 euro same condition.
> 
>  
> 
> Have fun with it if U like the sound. It was a pleasure to have it 
a while under my roof, but that was it.

> 
>  
> 
> PEACE! 
> 
> 
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> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
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I dont stock synths to sell them for a lot of money when the time is right. 

I make music, thats all.


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Hi!

Have I let you with the sensation that I own the SidStation because I 
speculate with synth prices?

Or you just wanted to illustrate the most interesting bit about 
yourself?

Mmm...

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Hi There <themeandyou@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> I dont stock synths to sell them for a lot of money when the time 
is right. 

> 
> I make music, thats all.
> 
> 
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That's correct! Couldn't said it much better dude! and by the way, elektron stinks. 

valladoliddiego <valladoliddiego@...> wrote:Hi!

Have I let you with the sensation that I own the SidStation because I 
speculate with synth prices?

Or you just wanted to illustrate the most interesting bit about 
yourself?

Mmm...

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Hi There <themeandyou@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> I dont stock synths to sell them for a lot of money when the time 
is right. 
> 
> I make music, thats all.
> 
> 
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If you can't find a place for that incredible digital bass
you can get from the SidStation, then it's a good
think your sold it, let others use it.

I don't even own a SidSation, but a friend
of mine does. And although it has a very specific
limited range of sounds , those sounds IMO are
absolutly amazing and you can only find them
in this bizarre synth.

Cheers,

Simon


on 02/05/03 8:03 AM, valladoliddiego at valladoliddiego@... wrote:

Hi!

I'm still in the "amazement" phase. I don't know what I will think
once I've sampled the life out of it. I love the Korg Poly-800 too,
wich has even less sounds... Am I sick?

Still, it's great to know that Elektron hyped it so much that I could
sell it for tons of money in the future... ;)

Adieu!

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Hi There <themeandyou@y...>
wrote:
> 
> I have sold it!! 
> 
> No nostalgia, no regret, out with the crap! It's annoying for
editing and the sound does not fit my music many times.....
> 
> There are RAW sounds in it, OK.
> 
> You can get some very cool bleepy sounds pured out of it, but I
have enough alternitives.
> 
> I've found that I can not use it very often, I look at an
instrument as a tool to create my ideas the best way. It has a
caracteristique sound wich is unique! But doesn't mean it is super
musical and have a BIG "pallette" of sounds.(I think that's why it
bores me the most). The very first time I worked with it I was
amazed, really.But soon enough I realised that it's not for me to
stick with it and to create new sounds. If you have heard all the
sounddesigner patches, than you will here what I am talking about.
They are good, but very often it sounds the same with a little
difference ;o))
> 
> I think it can be a tool for some electro, some trance, and weirdo
music. There is a HIT made with it, ZOMBIE NATION. And thats cool.
But I think it is also a overHYPEd box, and that it's also too
expensive. They now even put some extra CASH on it because they are
selling the last 100 units, SHAME SHAME....(900 EURO ????)
> 
> Not for me, bought it 2nd hand for 400 euro shiny new, sold it for
400 euro same condition.
> 
>  
> 
> Have fun with it if U like the sound. It was a pleasure to have it
a while under my roof, but that was it.
> 
>  
> 
> PEACE! 
> 
> 
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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Hi There <themeandyou@y...> wrote:
> That's correct! Couldn't said it much better dude! and by the way, elektron stinks. 

Have you tried the Machinedrum?  If Elektron stinks, they all stink.  By the way, you 
stink when you fart.

the whole world stinks ;O)) !!LOL Machindedrum is also tooooooo expensive. Use  a sampler and a CDAUDIO from best service "DANCE MEGADRUMS" and you got all the bloodey RETRO drumcomputers ever made under yur roof in 1 time!You don't need pre programmed patterns or shuffles out of a box!You even don't have to waste money and go to http://www.findsounds.com to get all samples you need nowadays ;-) Cheers!  ndlessnessisticman <endlessnessisticman@...> wrote:--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Hi There <themeandyou@y...> wrote:
> That's correct! Couldn't said it much better dude! and by the way, elektron stinks. 

Have you tried the Machinedrum?  If Elektron stinks, they all stink.  By the way, you 
stink when you fart.


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DIGITAL BASS?? and all other sounds can't find on other machines like a SID ??? (I must admit there are a few specific, but that's the point in this storey, "can u use them in your type of music"??)But on the other hand,Don't let me laugh!I know one, which is WAY better on this. pchieuw.(and don't tell wichone it is, but it's a "rare" synth, released in 1996 by a major synthdeveloper,a "the most dangerous 4 your speakers synth"..) (tell me a secret, open up my......)la la la lalaa..... 

simon leclerc <Simonvolt@...> wrote:If you can't find a place for that incredible digital bass
you can get from the SidStation, then it's a good
think your sold it, let others use it.

I don't even own a SidSation, but a friend
of mine does. And although it has a very specific
limited range of sounds , those sounds IMO are
absolutly amazing and you can only find them
in this bizarre synth.

Cheers,

Simon


on 02/05/03 8:03 AM, valladoliddiego at valladoliddiego@... wrote:

Hi!

I'm still in the "amazement" phase. I don't know what I will think
once I've sampled the life out of it. I love the Korg Poly-800 too,
wich has even less sounds... Am I sick?

Still, it's great to know that Elektron hyped it so much that I could
sell it for tons of money in the future... ;)

Adieu!

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Hi There <themeandyou@y...>
wrote:
> 
> I have sold it!! 
> 
> No nostalgia, no regret, out with the crap! It's annoying for
editing and the sound does not fit my music many times.....
> 
> There are RAW sounds in it, OK.
> 
> You can get some very cool bleepy sounds pured out of it, but I
have enough alternitives.
> 
> I've found that I can not use it very often, I look at an
instrument as a tool to create my ideas the best way. It has a
caracteristique sound wich is unique! But doesn't mean it is super
musical and have a BIG "pallette" of sounds.(I think that's why it
bores me the most). The very first time I worked with it I was
amazed, really.But soon enough I realised that it's not for me to
stick with it and to create new sounds. If you have heard all the
sounddesigner patches, than you will here what I am talking about.
They are good, but very often it sounds the same with a little
difference ;o))
> 
> I think it can be a tool for some electro, some trance, and weirdo
music. There is a HIT made with it, ZOMBIE NATION. And thats cool.
But I think it is also a overHYPEd box, and that it's also too
expensive. They now even put some extra CASH on it because they are
selling the last 100 units, SHAME SHAME....(900 EURO ????)
> 
> Not for me, bought it 2nd hand for 400 euro shiny new, sold it for
400 euro same condition.
> 
>  
> 
> Have fun with it if U like the sound. It was a pleasure to have it
a while under my roof, but that was it.
> 
>  
> 
> PEACE! 
> 
> 
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You dont get the point.
First of all who wants to waste his time to sample and edit all those obsolete 
drumsounds from old drummachines especially when they come from a low budget 
sampling CD?
MD allows me to tweak the sounds and really make them my own and with the 
possibility to record all parameterchanges for every single step and drum its all about 
making unique sounding grooves.
Pricewise it sure cant compete with stuff that you can find for free on the internet but 
that means that my beats will not sound like anybody elses.

I certainly wouldnt buy the MD because of its internal patterns as i find them pretty 
cheesy but its so easy and inspiring to make your own.


Hans


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Hi There <themeandyou@y...> wrote:
> the whole world stinks ;O)) !!LOL Machindedrum is also tooooooo expensive. Use  a 
sampler and a CDAUDIO from best service "DANCE MEGADRUMS" and you got all the 
bloodey RETRO drumcomputers ever made under yur roof in 1 time!You don't need 
pre programmed patterns or shuffles out of a box!You even don't have to waste 
money and go to http://www.findsounds.com to get all samples you need nowadays 
;-) Cheers!  ndlessnessisticman <endlessnessisticman@y...> wrote:--- In elektron-
users@yahoogroups.com, Hi There <themeandyou@y...> wrote:
> > That's correct! Couldn't said it much better dude! and by the way, elektron stinks. 
> 
> Have you tried the Machinedrum?  If Elektron stinks, they all stink.  By the way, you 
> stink when you fart.
> 
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On Saturday, May 3, 2003, at 12:50  Uhr, Hi There wrote:

the whole world stinks ;O)) !!LOL Machindedrum is also tooooooo expensive. 
Use  a sampler and a CDAUDIO from best service "DANCE MEGADRUMS" 
and you got all the bloodey RETRO drumcomputers ever made under yur roof 
in 1 time!You don't need pre programmed patterns or shuffles out of a 
box!You even don't have to waste money and go to http://
www.findsounds.com to get all samples you need nowadays ;-) Cheers!  
ndlessnessisticman <endlessnessisticman@...> wrote:--- In 
elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Hi There <themeandyou@y...> wrote:
That's correct! Couldn't said it much better dude! and by the way, elektron 
stinks.

What an interesting conversation...

You know what, Ive got a really good CD collection at home and so I seriously 
consider to sell all my too expensive music making gear, can't be bothered 
with all that programming stuff, and all the samples as well, imagine all the 
effort to download every single one... and then arranging, pfff...
I'll just put in a cd and ready is da music - smart as me, ay!

electricbeats_eof wrote:
> What an interesting conversation...
> 
> You know what, Ive got a really good CD collection at home and so I
> seriously consider to sell all my too expensive music making gear,
> can't be bothered with all that programming stuff, and all the
> samples as well, imagine all the effort to download every single
> one... and then arranging, pfff... I'll just put in a cd and ready is
> da music - smart as me, ay! 

Dude, why didn't I think of that!? Would have saved me loads of money!

;-)

Gert

> What an interesting conversation...
> 
> You know what, Ive got a really good CD collection at home and so I 
seriously 
> consider to sell all my too expensive music making gear, can't be 
bothered 
> with all that programming stuff, and all the samples as well, 
imagine all the 
> effort to download every single one... and then arranging, pfff...
> I'll just put in a cd and ready is da music - smart as me, ay!

Whaha Ya better do!!! Originall!

This thread should have been called WASTE OF TIME.
Why are we trying to convince someone who thinks
samples from the net are as good as the MD ?
He didnt find a place for the sidStation in his music,
he sold it, let's move on.

on 03/05/03 8:19 AM, electricbeats_eof at electricbeats@... wrote:


On Saturday, May 3, 2003, at 12:50  Uhr, Hi There wrote:

the whole world stinks ;O)) !!LOL Machindedrum is also tooooooo expensive.
Use  a sampler and a CDAUDIO from best service "DANCE MEGADRUMS"
and you got all the bloodey RETRO drumcomputers ever made under yur roof
in 1 time!You don't need pre programmed patterns or shuffles out of a
box!You even don't have to waste money and go to http://
www.findsounds.com to get all samples you need nowadays ;-) Cheers!
ndlessnessisticman <endlessnessisticman@...> wrote:--- In
elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Hi There <themeandyou@y...> wrote:
That's correct! Couldn't said it much better dude! and by the way, elektron
stinks.

What an interesting conversation...

You know what, Ive got a really good CD collection at home and so I
seriously 
consider to sell all my too expensive music making gear, can't be bothered
with all that programming stuff, and all the samples as well, imagine all
the 
effort to download every single one... and then arranging, pfff...
I'll just put in a cd and ready is da music - smart as me, ay!





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U think I'm a newbie ah...? WRONG! The thing is u can use a bit from everything too get a good mix. But MD his sound doesn't convince me to buy it.mmm..nono That's why I also said about samples on the net, wich is something that I also rarely make use of.People are buying gear like MD to get new inspiration, wich is also good in one way, but the sound ? Not 4 me. But that has to be everybodys choice, and if u like to pay such a lot of money for it to get inspired, than go for it. Too many people has to much gear that they also use for half of there capacity that it contains, and to get what they want out of it, without the need from the marketing guys who overhype new "Machines".YOU ARE THE MACHINE, YOU ARE THE CREATOR, you don't needall that stuf to buy everytime, they got you in yur pocket ;O)  There are sample CD librarias that costs 10 times the MD or a SID station and wich are worth every penny.And "Samples" from the net can be sometimes a solution for what you are looking for and don't find in your collection in a production at a time. But the clue of the story is" BE INVENTIVE" and not a slave form synthdrumgrooveboxevrytwomonthsout4anewVISAcard management.I'm not trying to be your enemy, only to open some peoples eyes! **PEACE**

simon leclerc <Simonvolt@...> wrote:This thread should have been called WASTE OF TIME.
Why are we trying to convince someone who thinks
samples from the net are as good as the MD ?
He didnt find a place for the sidStation in his music,
he sold it, let's move on.

on 03/05/03 8:19 AM, electricbeats_eof at electricbeats@... wrote:


On Saturday, May 3, 2003, at 12:50  Uhr, Hi There wrote:

the whole world stinks ;O)) !!LOL Machindedrum is also tooooooo expensive.
Use  a sampler and a CDAUDIO from best service "DANCE MEGADRUMS"
and you got all the bloodey RETRO drumcomputers ever made under yur roof
in 1 time!You don't need pre programmed patterns or shuffles out of a
box!You even don't have to waste money and go to http://
www.findsounds.com to get all samples you need nowadays ;-) Cheers!
ndlessnessisticman <endlessnessisticman@...> wrote:--- In
elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Hi There <themeandyou@y...> wrote:
That's correct! Couldn't said it much better dude! and by the way, elektron
stinks.

What an interesting conversation...

You know what, Ive got a really good CD collection at home and so I
seriously 
consider to sell all my too expensive music making gear, can't be bothered
with all that programming stuff, and all the samples as well, imagine all
the 
effort to download every single one... and then arranging, pfff...
I'll just put in a cd and ready is da music - smart as me, ay!





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le 03/05/2003 23:04, Hi There à themeandyou@... a écrit :

> U think I'm a newbie ah...? WRONG! The thing is u can use a bit from
> everything too get a good mix. But MD his sound doesn't convince me to buy
> it.mmm..nono That's why I also said about samples on the net, wich is
> something that I also rarely make use of.People are buying gear like MD to get
> new inspiration, wich is also good in one way, but the sound ? Not 4 me. But
> that has to be everybodys choice, and if u like to pay such a lot of money for
> it to get inspired, than go for it. Too many people has to much gear that they
> also use for half of there capacity that it contains, and to get what they
> want out of it, without the need from the marketing guys who overhype new
> "Machines".YOU ARE THE MACHINE, YOU ARE THE CREATOR, you don't needall that
> stuf to buy everytime, they got you in yur pocket ;O)  There are sample CD
> librarias that costs 10 times the MD or a SID station and wich are worth every
> penny.And "Samples" from the net can be sometimes a solution for what you are
> looking for and don't find in your collection in a production at a time. But
> the clue of the story is" BE INVENTIVE" and not a slave form
> synthdrumgrooveboxevrytwomonthsout4anewVISAcard management.I'm not trying to
> be your enemy, only to open some peoples eyes! **PEACE**

I'm just starting to think you're a troll.

Pleeeease, you made your point. :)

(btw there are spaces supposed to be placed near dots to help people
reading, a bit of a convention since the 13-14th century and not for nothing
alltogetherŠ Please :)

Denis U]

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About that Troll: Try to play on the BAL not on the MAN.       

"I've got a LASER, Earthman!" <lepetitmartien@...> wrote:le 03/05/2003 23:04, Hi There � themeandyou@... a �crit :

> U think I'm a newbie ah...? WRONG! The thing is u can use a bit from
> everything too get a good mix. But MD his sound doesn't convince me to buy
> it.mmm..nono That's why I also said about samples on the net, wich is
> something that I also rarely make use of.People are buying gear like MD to get
> new inspiration, wich is also good in one way, but the sound ? Not 4 me. But
> that has to be everybodys choice, and if u like to pay such a lot of money for
> it to get inspired, than go for it. Too many people has to much gear that they
> also use for half of there capacity that it contains, and to get what they
> want out of it, without the need from the marketing guys who overhype new
> "Machines".YOU ARE THE MACHINE, YOU ARE THE CREATOR, you don't needall that
> stuf to buy everytime, they got you in yur pocket ;O)  There are sample CD
> librarias that costs 10 times the MD or a SID station and wich are worth every
> penny.And "Samples" from the net can be sometimes a solution for what you are
> looking for and don't find in your collection in a production at a time. But
> the clue of the story is" BE INVENTIVE" and not a slave form
> synthdrumgrooveboxevrytwomonthsout4anewVISAcard management.I'm not trying to
> be your enemy, only to open some peoples eyes! **PEACE**

I'm just starting to think you're a troll.

Pleeeease, you made your point. :)

(btw there are spaces supposed to be placed near dots to help people
reading, a bit of a convention since the 13-14th century and not for nothing
alltogether� Please :)

Denis U]

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That's OK than!I need sounds that I selectively can choose out to compose something new and I think that a Groovebox or MD can give something extra, thats right.(or a Sequencing unit)But as an example, building a "chique" DANCE kick without a decent sampler I gues I couldn't make it the best I want it.But keep on finding new things and explore the unknown out of all your boxes and machines u got there is the key! They suprise me every time, over and over again. Less is more,  Peace! 
endlessnessisticman <endlessnessisticman@...> wrote:The world does stink.  But I was tired of using samples when I had my
mpc.  I needed a change.  By the way do you know of a decent drum
computer with decent sequencing for under $1000, (the mpc was more
without the fx and 8 outs)?  I don't care about the money I like my
machinedrum.  I like using my own sounds now.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Hi There <themeandyou@y...> wrote:
> the whole world stinks ;O)) !!LOL Machindedrum is also tooooooo
expensive. Use  a sampler and a CDAUDIO from best service "DANCE
MEGADRUMS" and you got all the bloodey RETRO drumcomputers ever made
under yur roof in 1 time!You don't need pre programmed patterns or
shuffles out of a box!You even don't have to waste money and go to
http://www.findsounds.com to get all samples you need nowadays ;-)
Cheers!  ndlessnessisticman <endlessnessisticman@y...> wrote:--- In
elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Hi There <themeandyou@y...> wrote:
> > That's correct! Couldn't said it much better dude! and by the way,
elektron stinks. 
> 
> Have you tried the Machinedrum?  If Elektron stinks, they all stink.
By the way, you 
> stink when you fart.



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Some people pay thousands of dollars for a costume of Elvis Presley,
and that piece of cotton is worth every penny for them 
because it makes them feel soooo good.

And noone can tell them they spent too much money on it,
because they KNOW that it is worth it for them.

For others it might be a piece of cotton,
for them it is a fulfillment.


peace.
Lord Sid

Fuer manche ist es toilettenpapier, fuer andere die laengste 
serviette der welt..


peace,
lord Gumbo






--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Splank!" <splank@z...> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> Some people pay thousands of dollars for a costume of Elvis Presley,
> and that piece of cotton is worth every penny for them 
> because it makes them feel soooo good.
> 
> And noone can tell them they spent too much money on it,
> because they KNOW that it is worth it for them.
> 
> For others it might be a piece of cotton,
> for them it is a fulfillment.
> 
> 
> peace.
> Lord Sid

and if my aunt would have bollocks, than I must call her uncle ! :)

Splank! <splank@...> wrote:


Some people pay thousands of dollars for a costume of Elvis Presley,
and that piece of cotton is worth every penny for them 
because it makes them feel soooo good.

And noone can tell them they spent too much money on it,
because they KNOW that it is worth it for them.

For others it might be a piece of cotton,
for them it is a fulfillment.


peace.
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The sound of frogs.
It's raining.
Mommy.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Hi There <themeandyou@y...> 
wrote:
> and if my aunt would have bollocks, than I must call her uncle ! :)
> 
> Splank! <splank@z...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Some people pay thousands of dollars for a costume of Elvis Presley,
> and that piece of cotton is worth every penny for them 
> because it makes them feel soooo good.
> 
> And noone can tell them they spent too much money on it,
> because they KNOW that it is worth it for them.
> 
> For others it might be a piece of cotton,
> for them it is a fulfillment.
> 
> 
> peace.
> Lord Sid
> 
> 
> 
> 
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what a waste of time.
Let?s get back to work.

good bye
flo

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Col Dee" <coldee@m...> wrote:
> I got my SidStation about a week ago, and have spent a lot of time 
> trying to get an interesting sound out of it.
> 
> I can't believe the silly design faults they've made. For instance, 
> why not have a bigger screen so that you don't have to confusingly 
> navigate through different "pages"? And why not have a few more knobs 
> so you don't have to select a parameter before you can alter it?
> 
> Simplicity is great, but the design layout of the SidStation is so 
> simple that operating it, working with it, is made complicated.
> 
> As I said before, I've got an Ensoniq Fizmo, and I honestly can't 
> find a sound yet on the SidStation that I couldn't have done a lot 
> quicker and better on the Fizmo.
> 
> It just seems to be an awkward little box.
> 
> Please explain to me that I've got it very wrong.


I agree that the Sid has some quirks.  But ultimately, it's about the
sound, right?  You don't appear to be too fond of the sound, so I
don't blame you for not enjoying the Sid very much.  But most Sid
owners will agree that they can quickly get over the Sid's quirks, due
to their love of its sound.

As far as the knobs: I felt the same way at first.  And I was
considering purchasing/making a dedicated MIDI controller for the Sid.
 But in actual use (i.e. live playing), I usually only want to modify
a couple of parameters anyway.  So it would be overkill to have a ton
more buttons (but 8 programmable front-panel buttons would have been
pretty much perfect).  And if I have more than four parameters that I
do want to change during a song, I can just assign the extra ones to
my MD (which I'm using to sequence the Sid) and change them from there.

As far as the display: it would be nicer to have a larger display,
something about the size of the MD display.  But I can live with it
very happily as is. :-)

Joe.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "chiasticon" <jmelnyk@c...> 
wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Col Dee" <coldee@m...> 
wrote:
> > I got my SidStation about a week ago, and have spent a lot of 
time 
> > trying to get an interesting sound out of it.
> > 
> > I can't believe the silly design faults they've made. For 
instance, 
> > why not have a bigger screen so that you don't have to 
confusingly 
> > navigate through different "pages"? And why not have a few more 
knobs 
> > so you don't have to select a parameter before you can alter it?
> > 
> > Simplicity is great, but the design layout of the SidStation is 
so 
> > simple that operating it, working with it, is made complicated.
> > 
> > As I said before, I've got an Ensoniq Fizmo, and I honestly can't 
> > find a sound yet on the SidStation that I couldn't have done a 
lot 
> > quicker and better on the Fizmo.
> > 
> > It just seems to be an awkward little box.
> > 
> > Please explain to me that I've got it very wrong.
> 
> 
> I agree that the Sid has some quirks.  But ultimately, it's about 
the
> sound, right?  You don't appear to be too fond of the sound, so I
> don't blame you for not enjoying the Sid very much.  But most Sid
> owners will agree that they can quickly get over the Sid's quirks, 
due
> to their love of its sound.
> 
> As far as the knobs: I felt the same way at first.  And I was
> considering purchasing/making a dedicated MIDI controller for the 
Sid.
>  But in actual use (i.e. live playing), I usually only want to 
modify
> a couple of parameters anyway.  So it would be overkill to have a 
ton
> more buttons (but 8 programmable front-panel buttons would have been
> pretty much perfect).  And if I have more than four parameters that 
I
> do want to change during a song, I can just assign the extra ones to
> my MD (which I'm using to sequence the Sid) and change them from 
there.
> 
> As far as the display: it would be nicer to have a larger display,
> something about the size of the MD display.  But I can live with it
> very happily as is. :-)
> 
> Joe.


im happy with the design :) its very small ultralight and portable. 
four smooth ceramic pots are all i would want forplaying live, tho 
when in my studio a dedicated midi controller really opens up the 
sid. i bought a second hand kenton control freak for $200 us. great! 
mostly use it for the sid only. i still use the sids pots tho, cos 
there smoooth like velvets!
its ok with the small screen too. it makes you focus on what your 
doing and think more about synthesis.
plus its easy to navigate anyway