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2004-03-11 by marc s. davidson
Hi everyone.. Just to let you know , the monomachine is on the front cover of sound on sound magazine ( April )and has had a very positive review from Paul Nagle . marc --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 05/03/2004
2004-03-11 by Joe
On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 05:38:33PM -0000, marc s. davidson wrote: > Hi everyone.. > > Just to let you know , the monomachine is on the front cover of sound on > sound magazine ( April )and has had a very positive review from Paul Nagle . thanks for the news marc! now I wish I had a subscription so that I wouldn't have to wait for the april to hit shelves in the US. :-) regarding the review: any significant pros/cons? was it a "glowing" review? any issues they had with it? etc... Joe
2004-03-11 by marc s. davidson
..I just managed a cursory glance at the magazine , ( it was at sound control the local music shop )so I haven't read the article in its entirety - the only negative things I can recall are that Paul had noticed a bit of mains hum from the sfx-6 and also a comment regarding different sequencer lengths were not possible on each of the tracks..also that the recordings were quantized so no "freestyle" recording permitted .... He also says that the monomachine is a " niche " product , expensive , but expected a cult following.. The article covers at least four full pages and has still to hit the news stands in the UK ( probably in the next couple of days ). Once I receive my own copy I will share some more info with you.. All the best Marc
-----Original Message----- From: Joe [mailto:jmelnyk@...] Sent: 11 March 2004 17:57 To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 05:38:33PM -0000, marc s. davidson wrote: > Hi everyone.. > > Just to let you know , the monomachine is on the front cover of sound on > sound magazine ( April )and has had a very positive review from Paul Nagle . thanks for the news marc! now I wish I had a subscription so that I wouldn't have to wait for the april to hit shelves in the US. :-) regarding the review: any significant pros/cons? was it a "glowing" review? any issues they had with it? etc... Joe Yahoo! Groups Links --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 05/03/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 05/03/2004
2004-03-11 by Damon Menne
Fantastic news. The more visibility Elektron receives, the more resources they've got opportunity to snap up for more phenomenal products. Very cool!
On Mar 11, 2004, at 9:57 AM, Joe wrote: > On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 05:38:33PM -0000, marc s. davidson wrote: >> Hi everyone.. >> >> Just to let you know , the monomachine is on the front cover of sound >> on >> sound magazine ( April )and has had a very positive review from Paul >> Nagle . > > thanks for the news marc! now I wish I had a subscription so that I > wouldn't have to wait for the april to hit shelves in the US. :-) > > regarding the review: any significant pros/cons? was it a "glowing" > review? any issues they had with it? etc... > > Joe > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2004-03-11 by Automatic Panic
:) I LOVE MY MONOMACHINE! :) --- "marc s. davidson" <psi@...> wrote: > > > Hi everyone.. > > Just to let you know , the monomachine is on the > front cover of sound on > sound magazine ( April )and has had a very positive > review from Paul Nagle . > > marc > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release > Date: 05/03/2004 > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > elektron-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you\ufffdre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com
2004-03-11 by Andy Tarpinian
;) I WANT A MONOMACHINE! ;)
On 3/11/04 4:19 PM, "Automatic Panic" wrote: > :) I LOVE MY MONOMACHINE! :) > > > --- "marc s. davidson" <psi@...> wrote: >> >> >> Hi everyone.. >> >> Just to let you know , the monomachine is on the >> front cover of sound on >> sound magazine ( April )and has had a very positive >> review from Paul Nagle . >> >> marc >>
2004-03-11 by droolmaster0
It seems like MIDI clock works the following way on the Monomachine and Machinedrum: If the instrument is in external sync mode, then it will send MIDI clock out only its thru port. This means that if either of these are being synced to a computer, or to each other, and then you are using the sequencer on them to control another synth, you must choose between sending note/controller info from the sequencer through the MIDI out, or sending the MIDI clock from the thru port, but not both to the same destination. The solution seems pretty simple - shouldn't the instrument be able to send MIDI clock through its out port, even though it is in external sync? Why wouldn't you want that, at least most of the time? Gene
2004-03-11 by droolmaster0
I wonder if anyone knows of a way to do the following: Suppose you have lots of parameter locks for a track, and you want to erase just the parameter locks for one particular parameter - is there anyway of doing this? You can zero out the paramter, or set it to any particular value, by pushing down on the knob while it is set to that value and the monomachine is in live record mode. However, this still leaves the parameter locks set at that value...this is a viable workaround, but I think it is possible to exceed the maximum # of parameter locks, so this isn't optimal. And, of course, you can erase them step by step, which is a bit time consuming if you have a 64 step pattern...
2004-03-12 by Joe
On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 07:10:27PM -0000, marc s. davidson wrote: > ..I just managed a cursory glance at the magazine , ( it was at sound > control the local music shop )so I haven't read the article in its entirety > - the only negative things I can recall are that Paul had noticed a bit of > mains hum from the sfx-6 hmmm....that's weird. I don't recall any hum complaints in here; and I imagine that Elektron checked the machines over before sending them out. weird. were they reviewing both units, then? because I imagine that Elektron would send the KB version either way. > and also a comment regarding different sequencer > lengths were not possible on each of the tracks.. yes that would be nice. :-) > The article covers at least four full pages and has still to hit the news > stands in the UK ( probably in the next couple of days ). Once I receive my > own copy I will share some more info with you.. great! I look forward to hearing it (I'll be grabbing a copy anyway, but I'm sure UK peeps will get it before US peeps :-) Joe
2004-03-12 by Automatic Panic
> and also a comment regarding different sequencer > > lengths were not possible on each of the tracks.. roland, korg or yamaha haven't done this on any of their gear so what are they talking about. Do they want the MM to make write the music for them too? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you\ufffdre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com
2004-03-12 by droolmaster0
--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Automatic Panic <thesoundzoneinfo@y...> wrote: > > and also a comment regarding different sequencer > > > lengths were not possible on each of the tracks.. > > roland, korg or yamaha haven't done this on any of > their gear so what are they talking about. Do they > want the MM to make write the music for them too? > > ? It is a very nice feature which is implemented on some good sequencers. I would rather compare the Monomachine with more creative type compositional tools than Roland/Korg/Yamaha...it is quite easy with my Evolver to set up 4 sequences of differing lengths, for instance.
2004-03-12 by Automatic Panic
yeah but that's an evolver, my triton does it too but the MM was meant for creating patterns a different way. --- droolmaster0 <implode7@...> wrote: > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Automatic > Panic > <thesoundzoneinfo@y...> wrote: > > > and also a comment regarding different sequencer > > > > lengths were not possible on each of the > tracks.. > > > > roland, korg or yamaha haven't done this on any of > > their gear so what are they talking about. Do they > > want the MM to make write the music for them too? > > > > > ? It is a very nice feature which is implemented on > some good > sequencers. I would rather compare the Monomachine > with more creative > type compositional tools than > Roland/Korg/Yamaha...it is quite easy > with my Evolver to set up 4 sequences of differing > lengths, for > instance. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you\ufffdre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com
2004-03-12 by Sr. Minimo
The Quasimidi Polymorph also does it without much hassle (and on the fly too, which helps a lot). > ? It is a very nice feature which is implemented on > some good > sequencers. I would rather compare the Monomachine > with more creative > type compositional tools than > Roland/Korg/Yamaha...it is quite easy > with my Evolver to set up 4 sequences of differing > lengths, for > instance. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you\ufffdre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com
2004-03-12 by Ravi Ivan Sharma
well, the Evolver does this easily and costs a lot less. The Notron excels at this (but isn't availabe much granted) and I believe the P3 does this just fine. And there are probably a few others as well, perhaps the upcoming spectralis. Such a feature is very nice and should not be hard to implement and to me it is surprising that it isn't implemented if one wants to claime the MnM is the most advanced sequencer, etc. I don't want any tool to write my music, I want my tools to *allow* me to write my music. The MnM is really good, but it isn't nearly the end. Ravi ----- Original Message -----
From: "Automatic Panic" <thesoundzoneinfo@...> To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound > > and also a comment regarding different sequencer > > > lengths were not possible on each of the tracks.. > > roland, korg or yamaha haven't done this on any of > their gear so what are they talking about. Do they > want the MM to make write the music for them too? > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >
2004-03-12 by droolmaster0
but the point is that some sequencers can do it, and the Monomachine cannot. It is a feature that would be excellent to have on the Monomachine (though not everyone, apparently, would want to use it). So, quite obviously, I think, a reviewer, who in the context of an otherwise excellent review mentions that this is something in which the Monomachine falls short, is certainly being quite reasonable. It is one feature that would make the sequencer more powerful, and most certainly wouldn't adversely affect anyone who doesn't use it! I'm not sure what you meant about the MM being 'meant for creating patterns in a different way'? What about the instrument would essentially changed by this, other than the sequencer being made more powerful? Don't get me wrong - I think that the sequencer is excellent! So, to me, it seems like a strange omission. --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Automatic Panic <thesoundzoneinfo@y...> wrote:
> yeah but that's an evolver, my triton does it too but > the MM was meant for creating patterns a different > way. > > > --- droolmaster0 <implode7@p...> wrote: > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Automatic > > Panic > > <thesoundzoneinfo@y...> wrote: > > > > and also a comment regarding different sequencer > > > > > lengths were not possible on each of the > > tracks.. > > > > > > roland, korg or yamaha haven't done this on any of > > > their gear so what are they talking about. Do they > > > want the MM to make write the music for them too? > > > > > > > > ? It is a very nice feature which is implemented on > > some good > > sequencers. I would rather compare the Monomachine > > with more creative > > type compositional tools than > > Roland/Korg/Yamaha...it is quite easy > > with my Evolver to set up 4 sequences of differing > > lengths, for > > instance. > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com
2004-03-12 by droolmaster0
Exactly. this is a feature that I really use and value. I am quite fond of the Monomachine, but I'd certainly love to see it develop in ways that make it even better. (come to think of it, I'd like to see this feature implemented on the Machinedrum too). --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" <noision1@h...> wrote: > well, the Evolver does this easily and costs a lot less. The Notron excels > at this (but isn't availabe much granted) and I believe the P3 does this > just fine. And there are probably a few others as well, perhaps the upcoming > spectralis. > > Such a feature is very nice and should not be hard to implement and to me it > is surprising that it isn't implemented if one wants to claime the MnM is > the most advanced sequencer, etc. > > I don't want any tool to write my music, I want my tools to *allow* me to
> write my music. The MnM is really good, but it isn't nearly the end. > > Ravi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Automatic Panic" <thesoundzoneinfo@y...> > To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound > > > > > and also a comment regarding different sequencer > > > > lengths were not possible on each of the tracks.. > > > > roland, korg or yamaha haven't done this on any of > > their gear so what are they talking about. Do they > > want the MM to make write the music for them too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > >
2004-03-13 by Automatic Panic
well at least i got this group talking again :D we should all keep it up! :) --- droolmaster0 <implode7@...> wrote: > Exactly. this is a feature that I really use and > value. I am quite > fond of the Monomachine, but I'd certainly love to > see it develop in > ways that make it even better. (come to think of it, > I'd like to see > this feature implemented on the Machinedrum too). > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan > Sharma" > <noision1@h...> wrote: > > well, the Evolver does this easily and costs a lot > less. The Notron > excels > > at this (but isn't availabe much granted) and I > believe the P3 does > this > > just fine. And there are probably a few others as > well, perhaps the > upcoming > > spectralis. > > > > Such a feature is very nice and should not be hard > to implement and > to me it > > is surprising that it isn't implemented if one > wants to claime the > MnM is > > the most advanced sequencer, etc. > > > > I don't want any tool to write my music, I want my > tools to *allow* > me to > > write my music. The MnM is really good, but it > isn't nearly the end. > > > > Ravi > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Automatic Panic" <thesoundzoneinfo@y...> > > To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound > > > > > > > > and also a comment regarding different > sequencer > > > > > lengths were not possible on each of the > tracks.. > > > > > > roland, korg or yamaha haven't done this on any > of > > > their gear so what are they talking about. Do > they > > > want the MM to make write the music for them > too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for > faster > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com
2004-03-13 by Automatic Panic
i wish the machinedrum had more than 32steps to a pattern and the monomachine had more than 64steps to a pattern --- droolmaster0 <implode7@...> wrote: > Exactly. this is a feature that I really use and > value. I am quite > fond of the Monomachine, but I'd certainly love to > see it develop in > ways that make it even better. (come to think of it, > I'd like to see > this feature implemented on the Machinedrum too). > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan > Sharma" > <noision1@h...> wrote: > > well, the Evolver does this easily and costs a lot > less. The Notron > excels > > at this (but isn't availabe much granted) and I > believe the P3 does > this > > just fine. And there are probably a few others as > well, perhaps the > upcoming > > spectralis. > > > > Such a feature is very nice and should not be hard > to implement and > to me it > > is surprising that it isn't implemented if one > wants to claime the > MnM is > > the most advanced sequencer, etc. > > > > I don't want any tool to write my music, I want my > tools to *allow* > me to > > write my music. The MnM is really good, but it > isn't nearly the end. > > > > Ravi > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Automatic Panic" <thesoundzoneinfo@y...> > > To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound > > > > > > > > and also a comment regarding different > sequencer > > > > > lengths were not possible on each of the > tracks.. > > > > > > roland, korg or yamaha haven't done this on any > of > > > their gear so what are they talking about. Do > they > > > want the MM to make write the music for them > too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for > faster > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com
2004-03-13 by oldmanfury
> and also a comment regarding different sequencer > lengths were not possible on each of the tracks.. You can _sort_ of fake this feature using the variable length arpeggiators that are available for each track. And I believe that their length can be adjusted on the fly. -gerald
2004-03-13 by privat_joy
Why don't you combining some patterns? I like it as it is! Shorter patterns make programming more flexible, that is way i understand pattern orientated sequencing. If i need more steps or longer sequences i can use cubase/logic or Qy700 or something like this. Or look for a Schaltwerk or Zeit. --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Automatic Panic <thesoundzoneinfo@y...> wrote:
> i wish the machinedrum had more than 32steps to a > pattern and the monomachine had more than 64steps to a > pattern > > > > > --- droolmaster0 <implode7@p...> wrote: > > Exactly. this is a feature that I really use and > > value. I am quite > > fond of the Monomachine, but I'd certainly love to > > see it develop in > > ways that make it even better. (come to think of it, > > I'd like to see > > this feature implemented on the Machinedrum too). > > > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan > > Sharma" > > <noision1@h...> wrote: > > > well, the Evolver does this easily and costs a lot > > less. The Notron > > excels > > > at this (but isn't availabe much granted) and I > > believe the P3 does > > this > > > just fine. And there are probably a few others as > > well, perhaps the > > upcoming > > > spectralis. > > > > > > Such a feature is very nice and should not be hard > > to implement and > > to me it > > > is surprising that it isn't implemented if one > > wants to claime the > > MnM is > > > the most advanced sequencer, etc. > > > > > > I don't want any tool to write my music, I want my > > tools to *allow* > > me to > > > write my music. The MnM is really good, but it > > isn't nearly the end. > > > > > > Ravi > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Automatic Panic" <thesoundzoneinfo@y...> > > > To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound > > > > > > > > > > > and also a comment regarding different > > sequencer > > > > > > lengths were not possible on each of the > > tracks.. > > > > > > > > roland, korg or yamaha haven't done this on any > > of > > > > their gear so what are they talking about. Do > > they > > > > want the MM to make write the music for them > > too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for > > faster > > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > http://mail.yahoo.com
2004-03-13 by schmackofanz
more steps would sure be cool especially when you want to use some 32nd note stuff. but with the current hardware layout i dont see how they can achieve this. after all there are only 4 leds to switch from one bar to the next. maybe some pattern chaining function could do the trick where you chain two neighborpatterns so they will always playback like one, even when recording. A last step funtion for every track could be a way to have independent patternlengt fo every track. just imagine the fun when you apply this to already existing patterns! endless polyrhythmic variations! --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Gene Schwartz <implode7@p...> wrote:
> But, if, for instance the maximum length were increased, you could still > work the same way, couldn't you? Wouldn't it be preferable for those who do > want longer pattern lengths available to not have to spend the $$$ on an > expensive hardware sequencer, and still be able to work within the Elektron > framework? > > I'm not sure how often I would use this feature, but I can see the point. > > From: "privat_joy" <privat_joy@y...> > Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:25:33 -0000 > To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound > > > Why don't you combining some patterns? > I like it as it is! Shorter patterns make programming more flexible, > that is way i understand pattern orientated sequencing. If i need more > steps or longer sequences i can use cubase/logic or Qy700 or something > like this. Or look for a Schaltwerk or Zeit. > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Automatic Panic > <thesoundzoneinfo@y...> wrote: > > i wish the machinedrum had more than 32steps to a > > pattern and the monomachine had more than 64steps to a > > pattern > > > > > > > > > > --- droolmaster0 <implode7@p...> wrote: > > > Exactly. this is a feature that I really use and > > > value. I am quite > > > fond of the Monomachine, but I'd certainly love to > > > see it develop in > > > ways that make it even better. (come to think of it, > > > I'd like to see > > > this feature implemented on the Machinedrum too). > > > > > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan > > > Sharma" > > > <noision1@h...> wrote: > > > > well, the Evolver does this easily and costs a lot > > > less. The Notron > > > excels > > > > at this (but isn't availabe much granted) and I > > > believe the P3 does > > > this > > > > just fine. And there are probably a few others as > > > well, perhaps the > > > upcoming > > > > spectralis. > > > > > > > > Such a feature is very nice and should not be hard > > > to implement and > > > to me it > > > > is surprising that it isn't implemented if one > > > wants to claime the > > > MnM is > > > > the most advanced sequencer, etc. > > > > > > > > I don't want any tool to write my music, I want my > > > tools to *allow* > > > me to > > > > write my music. The MnM is really good, but it > > > isn't nearly the end. > > > > > > > > Ravi > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Automatic Panic" <thesoundzoneinfo@y...> > > > > To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:04 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and also a comment regarding different > > > sequencer > > > > > > > lengths were not possible on each of the > > > tracks.. > > > > > > > > > > roland, korg or yamaha haven't done this on any > > > of > > > > > their gear so what are they talking about. Do > > > they > > > > > want the MM to make write the music for them > > > too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for > > > faster > > > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elektron-users/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > elektron-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:elektron-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-03-13 by Gene Schwartz
But, if, for instance the maximum length were increased, you could still work the same way, couldn't you? Wouldn't it be preferable for those who do want longer pattern lengths available to not have to spend the $$$ on an expensive hardware sequencer, and still be able to work within the Elektron framework? I'm not sure how often I would use this feature, but I can see the point.
From: "privat_joy" <privat_joy@...> Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:25:33 -0000 To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound Why don't you combining some patterns? I like it as it is! Shorter patterns make programming more flexible, that is way i understand pattern orientated sequencing. If i need more steps or longer sequences i can use cubase/logic or Qy700 or something like this. Or look for a Schaltwerk or Zeit. --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Automatic Panic <thesoundzoneinfo@y...> wrote: > i wish the machinedrum had more than 32steps to a > pattern and the monomachine had more than 64steps to a > pattern > > > > > --- droolmaster0 <implode7@p...> wrote: > > Exactly. this is a feature that I really use and > > value. I am quite > > fond of the Monomachine, but I'd certainly love to > > see it develop in > > ways that make it even better. (come to think of it, > > I'd like to see > > this feature implemented on the Machinedrum too). > > > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan > > Sharma" > > <noision1@h...> wrote: > > > well, the Evolver does this easily and costs a lot > > less. The Notron > > excels > > > at this (but isn't availabe much granted) and I > > believe the P3 does > > this > > > just fine. And there are probably a few others as > > well, perhaps the > > upcoming > > > spectralis. > > > > > > Such a feature is very nice and should not be hard > > to implement and > > to me it > > > is surprising that it isn't implemented if one > > wants to claime the > > MnM is > > > the most advanced sequencer, etc. > > > > > > I don't want any tool to write my music, I want my > > tools to *allow* > > me to > > > write my music. The MnM is really good, but it > > isn't nearly the end. > > > > > > Ravi > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Automatic Panic" <thesoundzoneinfo@y...> > > > To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound > > > > > > > > > > > and also a comment regarding different > > sequencer > > > > > > lengths were not possible on each of the > > tracks.. > > > > > > > > roland, korg or yamaha haven't done this on any > > of > > > > their gear so what are they talking about. Do > > they > > > > want the MM to make write the music for them > > too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for > > faster > > > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam > http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elektron-users/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: elektron-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:elektron-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-03-13 by oldmanfury
--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "schmackofanz" <digitalaudiodesign@t...> wrote: > more steps would sure be cool especially when you want to use some 32nd note stuff. > but with the current hardware layout i dont see how they can achieve this. > after all there are only 4 leds to switch from one bar to the next. Actually, you could use the 4 LED's to represent 4 bits and have up to 16 x 16 steps. This seems silly, and I really don't care about expanding the MnM beyond 64 notes, but I would love to see the MD extended to 64 steps: The 2 LED's could easily be used in this way - * = on o = off oo - bar 1 o* - bar 2 *o - bar 3 ** - bar 4 Not too confusing, even if you've never seen binary counting. -gerald
2004-03-13 by Ravi Ivan Sharma
"meant" is the nicest way of saying "can't." Get over it, it is just true. I have a MnM, I like it a lot! But it doesn't have this feature, for whatever the reason. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Automatic Panic" <thesoundzoneinfo@...> To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound > yeah but that's an evolver, my triton does it too but > the MM was meant for creating patterns a different > way. > > > --- droolmaster0 <implode7@...> wrote: > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Automatic > > Panic > > <thesoundzoneinfo@y...> wrote: > > > > and also a comment regarding different sequencer > > > > > lengths were not possible on each of the > > tracks.. > > > > > > roland, korg or yamaha haven't done this on any of > > > their gear so what are they talking about. Do they > > > want the MM to make write the music for them too? > > > > > > > > ? It is a very nice feature which is implemented on > > some good > > sequencers. I would rather compare the Monomachine > > with more creative > > type compositional tools than > > Roland/Korg/Yamaha...it is quite easy > > with my Evolver to set up 4 sequences of differing > > lengths, for > > instance. > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
2004-03-13 by Automatic Panic
even the Korg electribes have have more than 32steps and that's what makes it easy to create more complex patterns. I know about using software and stuff and I know that the existing MD and MM could prob not get any more steps added to them but for future products I think elektron should add more steps per patterns. Did I mention that I love elektron's gear the most out of any other gear that I have owned, simply because of the Awesome sounds that their products have. :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com
2004-03-15 by starpawz612
would a feature like this be impossible for elektron to implement? as i'm sure you're all sick of hearing about my gameboy, i'll just chime in that it's super easy to have different length patterns on each of it's four channels, evolving peices are a synch ...(even more so with automated tables which will step through a series of settings, like an arp ;) another thing LSDj does really well is pattern switching. each of the four channels can play one pattern at once, and you can switch which pattern each of the channels is playing indipendently of each other. it makes cueing and switching very easy ... if each of the MnM's six tracks could have individual patterns rather than a pattern containing info for all six channels, that would be ruleing. having patterns be able to play on channels rather than channels play in patterns also makes song composition go really quickly. however i know the MnM is set up like a typical drum machine/techno box so perhaps people used to old machines would think this is a wack way of doing things. so, back to the start ...for me the question is ... would individual patterns for each channel be technically feasible or is it mearly a pipe dream??? hehe <3 j.ordan p.s. still havin good fun w/ the box, learning my way around it a lot, have come up with a track or two i like enough ... got to do a few more then i'll share he-heeeee p.p.s. another thing i like about LSDj/trackers is that you can have a very short pattern playing a note over and over again for working sounds. i'm thinking of trying to set something like this up, a short work pattern i can quickly paste a track i'm working on ... but when you paste a track does it also paste length? sorry for bringing it up without trying it out 1st, but i'll forget to mention it otherwise i think :O --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" <noision1@h...> wrote: > > "meant" is the nicest way of saying "can't." > > Get over it, it is just true. I have a MnM, I like it a lot! But it doesn't
> have this feature, for whatever the reason. > > > > > > > > Roland/Korg/Yamaha...it is quite easy > > > with my Evolver to set up 4 sequences of differing > > > lengths, for > > > instance. > > >
2004-03-15 by droolmaster0
I don't know whether this is possible for them to implement, but I sure hope so! I may have to do something perverse like using sequencers an Evolver to control the Monomachine in various ways as its playing. And ultimately I'd like to get a Zeit, Xenotron, or Signal Arts sequencer to do this kind of thing on a larger scale. But it would be really nice to work within the confines of the Monomachine and Machinedrum and set this up. In somewhat the same vein, I would love to see more flexibility in the scale setup. Right now, you can, say, set a pattern of 14 notes out of 16. But, if you set up a pattern which has 28 notes, you'll need to use one page of 16, and one of 12. I'd like the ability to show two pages of 14. --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "starpawz612" <starpawz612@y...> wrote: > > would a feature like this be impossible for elektron to implement? as > i'm sure you're all sick of hearing about my gameboy, i'll just chime > in that it's super easy to have different length patterns on each of > it's four channels, evolving peices are a synch ...(even more so with > automated tables which will step through a series of settings, like > an arp ;) > > another thing LSDj does really well is pattern switching. each of the > four channels can play one pattern at once, and you can switch which > pattern each of the channels is playing indipendently of each other. > it makes cueing and switching very easy ... if each of the MnM's six > tracks could have individual patterns rather than a pattern > containing info for all six channels, that would be ruleing. > > having patterns be able to play on channels rather than channels play > in patterns also makes song composition go really quickly. > > however i know the MnM is set up like a typical drum machine/techno > box so perhaps people used to old machines would think this is a wack > way of doing things. > > so, back to the start ...for me the question is ... would individual > patterns for each channel be technically feasible or is it mearly a > pipe dream??? hehe > > <3 > j.ordan > > p.s. still havin good fun w/ the box, learning my way around it a > lot, have come up with a track or two i like enough ... got to do a > few more then i'll share he-heeeee > > p.p.s. another thing i like about LSDj/trackers is that you can have > a very short pattern playing a note over and over again for working > sounds. i'm thinking of trying to set something like this up, a short > work pattern i can quickly paste a track i'm working on ... but when > you paste a track does it also paste length? sorry for bringing it up > without trying it out 1st, but i'll forget to mention it otherwise i > think :O > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" > <noision1@h...> wrote: > > > > "meant" is the nicest way of saying "can't." > > > > Get over it, it is just true. I have a MnM, I like it a lot! But it
> doesn't > > have this feature, for whatever the reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roland/Korg/Yamaha...it is quite easy > > > > with my Evolver to set up 4 sequences of differing > > > > lengths, for > > > > instance. > > > >
2004-03-16 by Joe
On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 11:44:42PM -0000, starpawz612 wrote: > another thing LSDj does really well is pattern switching. each of the > four channels can play one pattern at once, and you can switch which > pattern each of the channels is playing indipendently of each other. > it makes cueing and switching very easy ... if each of the MnM's six > tracks could have individual patterns rather than a pattern > containing info for all six channels, that would be ruleing. > having patterns be able to play on channels rather than channels play > in patterns also makes song composition go really quickly. > however i know the MnM is set up like a typical drum machine/techno > box so perhaps people used to old machines would think this is a wack > way of doing things. that would be fan-freakin-tastic! I'm happy as hell with the MnM and MD as is. but such a feature would take their sequencing ability to a whole other level. > so, back to the start ...for me the question is ... would individual > patterns for each channel be technically feasible or is it mearly a > pipe dream??? hehe someone asked in here before if it would be possible to implement something along those lines. that is, switch what a track within a pattern is playing while the other tracks play as normal. we were told "no" by Elektron. but I don't quite remember whether it was because it was impossible or just that they thought it would overcomplicate things. > p.s. still havin good fun w/ the box, learning my way around it a > lot, have come up with a track or two i like enough ... got to do a > few more then i'll share he-heeeee be sure to! Joe
2004-03-16 by Ravi Ivan Sharma
That is what I liked so much about Megamix in the MC505 and even better is X-MIX in the Command Stations. Pretty much how they work!!! VERY VERY NICE
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound
On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 11:44:42PM -0000, starpawz612 wrote:
> another thing LSDj does really well is pattern switching. each of the
> four channels can play one pattern at once, and you can switch which
> pattern each of the channels is playing indipendently of each other.
> it makes cueing and switching very easy ... if each of the MnM's six
> tracks could have individual patterns rather than a pattern
> containing info for all six channels, that would be ruleing.
> having patterns be able to play on channels rather than channels play
> in patterns also makes song composition go really quickly.
> however i know the MnM is set up like a typical drum machine/techno
> box so perhaps people used to old machines would think this is a wack
> way of doing things.
that would be fan-freakin-tastic! I'm happy as hell with the MnM and MD
as is. but such a feature would take their sequencing ability
to a whole other level.
> so, back to the start ...for me the question is ... would individual
> patterns for each channel be technically feasible or is it mearly a
> pipe dream??? hehe
someone asked in here before if it would be possible to implement something
along those lines. that is, switch what a track within a pattern is playing
while the other tracks play as normal. we were told "no" by Elektron. but
I don't quite remember whether it was because it was impossible or just
that they thought it would overcomplicate things.
> p.s. still havin good fun w/ the box, learning my way around it a
> lot, have come up with a track or two i like enough ... got to do a
> few more then i'll share he-heeeee
be sure to!
Joe
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2004-03-16 by endlessnessisticman
Why dont you just set up the patterns to play this way. I know what you mean by being easier, but that doesn't mean you can't do it on these sequencers. Just make it a different machine and have it mute and unmute and change as the song goes. You could even have evolving kits as you go. Things could always be easier a different way for each piece of gear, but you gotta work with what you got. If it's getting too hard maybe you need to change your approach. About the 28 step patterns just make two patterns of 14.... Alot of what's been said recentlly seems to me to not be impossible on the MD at least. Different pattern lengths, you are limited by your longest pattern and in a chain it seems unlimited (more than 32 steps). It's kind of like asking to have a better resolution on this step pattern. Just my opinion here. I hope nobody lashes out at me. I only have the MD btw not MnM. --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" <noision1@h...> wrote: > That is what I liked so much about Megamix in the MC505 and even better is X-MIX in the Command Stations. Pretty much how they work!!! VERY VERY NICE > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe > To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:11 PM > Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound > > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 11:44:42PM -0000, starpawz612 wrote: > > another thing LSDj does really well is pattern switching. each of the > > four channels can play one pattern at once, and you can switch which > > pattern each of the channels is playing indipendently of each other. > > it makes cueing and switching very easy ... if each of the MnM's six > > tracks could have individual patterns rather than a pattern > > containing info for all six channels, that would be ruleing. > > having patterns be able to play on channels rather than channels play > > in patterns also makes song composition go really quickly. > > however i know the MnM is set up like a typical drum machine/techno > > box so perhaps people used to old machines would think this is a wack > > way of doing things. > > that would be fan-freakin-tastic! I'm happy as hell with the MnM and MD > as is. but such a feature would take their sequencing ability > to a whole other level. > > > so, back to the start ...for me the question is ... would individual > > patterns for each channel be technically feasible or is it mearly a > > pipe dream??? hehe > > someone asked in here before if it would be possible to implement something > along those lines. that is, switch what a track within a pattern is playing > while the other tracks play as normal. we were told "no" by Elektron. but > I don't quite remember whether it was because it was impossible or just > that they thought it would overcomplicate things. > > > p.s. still havin good fun w/ the box, learning my way around it a > > lot, have come up with a track or two i like enough ... got to do a > > few more then i'll share he-heeeee > > be sure to! > > Joe > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elektron-users/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > elektron-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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2004-03-16 by Gene Schwartz
I wrote about the 28 step pattern... I think that you don't quite understand the spirit behind these requests. The people who have made them all like the Monomachine very much (as far as I can tell). However, there are still ways in which the user interface can be improved in orde to aid creativity. Some improvements are not feasible technically, some might be contrary to the wishes of the majority of users, and some might be specific to such a small minority that it isn't worth the time and effort. In some of these cases, their is some workaround in which the user could accomplish the desired goal, but because of the fact that the workaround requires a different way of working altogether, it doesn't really satisfy the goals of person who made the request. In my case, I wanted to see the 14 step (or other length) step scales while I was recording in pattern mode. One doesn't work the same way in song mode. Therefore your solution (which I was certainly aware of) doesn't really address my request at all. The improvement I requested would certainly help me, though I would understand if no one else desired this change, or Elektron thought that it would not be easy enough or impossible to accomplish. But before you minimize the requests of other users for improvements which would really help them, think about the fact that it is not just the eventual technical accomplishment, but the creative process that they might be thinking about.
From: "endlessnessisticman" <endlessnessisticman@...> Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:22:03 -0000 To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound Why dont you just set up the patterns to play this way. I know what you mean by being easier, but that doesn't mean you can't do it on these sequencers. Just make it a different machine and have it mute and unmute and change as the song goes. You could even have evolving kits as you go. Things could always be easier a different way for each piece of gear, but you gotta work with what you got. If it's getting too hard maybe you need to change your approach. About the 28 step patterns just make two patterns of 14.... Alot of what's been said recentlly seems to me to not be impossible on the MD at least. Different pattern lengths, you are limited by your longest pattern and in a chain it seems unlimited (more than 32 steps). It's kind of like asking to have a better resolution on this step pattern. Just my opinion here. I hope nobody lashes out at me. I only have the MD btw not MnM. --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" <noision1@h...> wrote: > That is what I liked so much about Megamix in the MC505 and even better is X-MIX in the Command Stations. Pretty much how they work!!! VERY VERY NICE > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe > To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:11 PM > Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound > > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 11:44:42PM -0000, starpawz612 wrote: > > another thing LSDj does really well is pattern switching. each of the > > four channels can play one pattern at once, and you can switch which > > pattern each of the channels is playing indipendently of each other. > > it makes cueing and switching very easy ... if each of the MnM's six > > tracks could have individual patterns rather than a pattern > > containing info for all six channels, that would be ruleing. > > having patterns be able to play on channels rather than channels play > > in patterns also makes song composition go really quickly. > > however i know the MnM is set up like a typical drum machine/techno > > box so perhaps people used to old machines would think this is a wack > > way of doing things. > > that would be fan-freakin-tastic! I'm happy as hell with the MnM and MD > as is. but such a feature would take their sequencing ability > to a whole other level. > > > so, back to the start ...for me the question is ... would individual > > patterns for each channel be technically feasible or is it mearly a > > pipe dream??? hehe > > someone asked in here before if it would be possible to implement something > along those lines. that is, switch what a track within a pattern is playing > while the other tracks play as normal. we were told "no" by Elektron. but > I don't quite remember whether it was because it was impossible or just > that they thought it would overcomplicate things. > > > p.s. still havin good fun w/ the box, learning my way around it a > > lot, have come up with a track or two i like enough ... got to do a > > few more then i'll share he-heeeee > > be sure to! > > Joe > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elektron-users/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > elektron-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elektron-users/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: elektron-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:elektron-users-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-03-16 by scutopus
i was a little dismayed when you and joe (who has been nothing but a help and a sweetheart to others in this list) got in a tiff on this list, but i didn't say anything because i thought it was a one-time thing. now you go after ....sticman and i can't keep quiet. what ....sticman was doing was stating an opinion that he himself didn't need, just as those who were calling for the feature were doing. no flaming, just an opinion. and you come back saying he was minimizing their thoughts! okay, an example:: i for one think Ravi is somewhat harsh in his statements, but they are his opinions and he isn't hurting anyone in stating them. i respect his ideas because they bring IDEAS to the discussion. it seems like you feel personally attacked by people stating their opinions when you don't agree with them, and i apologize if you feel that way. but don't trumpet your opinion as some oppressed minority. all of us who read this have been very considerate of others' thoughts and ideas about these marvelous machines and we go back to our gear and think if we ourselves as individuals require the proposed feature. then we respond on the list. frankly, i've enjoyed this list quite a bit until now. doesn't mean i'll stop reading, though, so i'll see y'all on the flipside. PEACE, wendell. --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Gene Schwartz <implode7@p...> wrote: > I wrote about the 28 step pattern... > > I think that you don't quite understand the spirit behind these requests. > The people who have made them all like the Monomachine very much (as far as > I can tell). However, there are still ways in which the user interface can > be improved in orde to aid creativity. Some improvements are not feasible > technically, some might be contrary to the wishes of the majority of users, > and some might be specific to such a small minority that it isn't worth the > time and effort. In some of these cases, their is some workaround in which > the user could accomplish the desired goal, but because of the fact that the > workaround requires a different way of working altogether, it doesn't really > satisfy the goals of person who made the request. > > In my case, I wanted to see the 14 step (or other length) step scales while > I was recording in pattern mode. One doesn't work the same way in song mode. > Therefore your solution (which I was certainly aware of) doesn't really > address my request at all. The improvement I requested would certainly help > me, though I would understand if no one else desired this change, or > Elektron thought that it would not be easy enough or impossible to > accomplish. > > But before you minimize the requests of other users for improvements which > would really help them, think about the fact that it is not just the > eventual technical accomplishment, but the creative process that they might > be thinking about.
2004-03-16 by droolmaster0
? perhaps my response sounded harsher than was intended. I was just trying to point out that a request for an ease of use feature isn't addressed by suggesting that the goal can be achieved by a method that is awkward or time consuming. I certainly don't feel personally attacked, and my dispute with Joe was resolved off line. --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "scutopus" <scutopus@y...> wrote: > i was a little dismayed when you and joe (who has been nothing but a > help and a sweetheart to others in this list) got in a tiff on this > list, but i didn't say anything because i thought it was a one-time > thing. now you go after ....sticman and i can't keep quiet. > what ....sticman was doing was stating an opinion that he himself > didn't need, just as those who were calling for the feature were > doing. no flaming, just an opinion. and you come back saying he was > minimizing their thoughts! > okay, an example:: i for one think Ravi is somewhat harsh in his > statements, but they are his opinions and he isn't hurting anyone in > stating them. i respect his ideas because they bring IDEAS to the > discussion. it seems like you feel personally attacked by people > stating their opinions when you don't agree with them, and i > apologize if you feel that way. but don't trumpet your opinion as > some oppressed minority. all of us who read this have been very > considerate of others' thoughts and ideas about these marvelous > machines and we go back to our gear and think if we ourselves as > individuals require the proposed feature. then we respond on the > list. frankly, i've enjoyed this list quite a bit until now. doesn't > mean i'll stop reading, though, so i'll see y'all on the flipside. > PEACE, > wendell. > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Gene Schwartz <implode7@p...> > wrote: > > I wrote about the 28 step pattern... > > > > I think that you don't quite understand the spirit behind these > requests. > > The people who have made them all like the Monomachine very much > (as far as > > I can tell). However, there are still ways in which the user > interface can > > be improved in orde to aid creativity. Some improvements are not > feasible > > technically, some might be contrary to the wishes of the majority > of users, > > and some might be specific to such a small minority that it isn't > worth the > > time and effort. In some of these cases, their is some workaround > in which > > the user could accomplish the desired goal, but because of the fact > that the > > workaround requires a different way of working altogether, it > doesn't really > > satisfy the goals of person who made the request. > > > > In my case, I wanted to see the 14 step (or other length) step > scales while > > I was recording in pattern mode. One doesn't work the same way in > song mode. > > Therefore your solution (which I was certainly aware of) doesn't > really > > address my request at all. The improvement I requested would > certainly help > > me, though I would understand if no one else desired this change, or > > Elektron thought that it would not be easy enough or impossible to > > accomplish. > > > > But before you minimize the requests of other users for > improvements which > > would really help them, think about the fact that it is not just the
> > eventual technical accomplishment, but the creative process that > they might > > be thinking about.
2004-03-16 by scutopus
y'know, after i wrote that post i regretted it, cos it was very much "heat of the moment" and not really well thought out. i apologize for my post if it offended anyone. and thanks for your even- keeled reply! now i can go back to thinking about music! mmmmmm, beats. best, wendell. --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "droolmaster0" <implode7@p...> wrote: > ? perhaps my response sounded harsher than was intended. I was just > trying to point out that a request for an ease of use feature isn't > addressed by suggesting that the goal can be achieved by a method > that is awkward or time consuming. > > I certainly don't feel personally attacked, and my dispute with Joe > was resolved off line. > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "scutopus" <scutopus@y...> > wrote: > > i was a little dismayed when you and joe (who has been nothing but > a > > help and a sweetheart to others in this list) got in a tiff on this > > list, but i didn't say anything because i thought it was a one- time > > thing. now you go after ....sticman and i can't keep quiet. > > what ....sticman was doing was stating an opinion that he himself > > didn't need, just as those who were calling for the feature were > > doing. no flaming, just an opinion. and you come back saying he was > > minimizing their thoughts! > > okay, an example:: i for one think Ravi is somewhat harsh in his > > statements, but they are his opinions and he isn't hurting anyone > in > > stating them. i respect his ideas because they bring IDEAS to the > > discussion. it seems like you feel personally attacked by people > > stating their opinions when you don't agree with them, and i > > apologize if you feel that way. but don't trumpet your opinion as > > some oppressed minority. all of us who read this have been very > > considerate of others' thoughts and ideas about these marvelous > > machines and we go back to our gear and think if we ourselves as > > individuals require the proposed feature. then we respond on the > > list. frankly, i've enjoyed this list quite a bit until now. > doesn't > > mean i'll stop reading, though, so i'll see y'all on the flipside. > > PEACE, > > wendell. > > > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Gene Schwartz > <implode7@p...> > > wrote: > > > I wrote about the 28 step pattern... > > > > > > I think that you don't quite understand the spirit behind these > > requests. > > > The people who have made them all like the Monomachine very much > > (as far as > > > I can tell). However, there are still ways in which the user > > interface can > > > be improved in orde to aid creativity. Some improvements are not > > feasible > > > technically, some might be contrary to the wishes of the > majority > > of users, > > > and some might be specific to such a small minority that it isn't > > worth the > > > time and effort. In some of these cases, their is some workaround > > in which > > > the user could accomplish the desired goal, but because of the > fact > > that the > > > workaround requires a different way of working altogether, it > > doesn't really > > > satisfy the goals of person who made the request. > > > > > > In my case, I wanted to see the 14 step (or other length) step > > scales while > > > I was recording in pattern mode. One doesn't work the same way in > > song mode. > > > Therefore your solution (which I was certainly aware of) doesn't > > really > > > address my request at all. The improvement I requested would > > certainly help > > > me, though I would understand if no one else desired this change, > or > > > Elektron thought that it would not be easy enough or impossible to > > > accomplish. > > > > > > But before you minimize the requests of other users for > > improvements which > > > would really help them, think about the fact that it is not just > the > > > eventual technical accomplishment, but the creative process that > > they might > > > be thinking about.
2004-03-17 by Automatic Panic
We as artist/producers may not agree on many things when it comes to music but I can only speak for myself that I totaly love the monomachine. With the monomachine I have made up music that would have taken me hours to work on and still not find the result that I had been looking for in the end. Some of you have ideas about how the monomachine should be able to do this and that but I simply love the ease of use that i been able to obtain from it and the sounds are so much fun to work with. If you don't own a monomachine the only thing I can say is save some money or sell something that you don't need and get yourself a monomachine soon. :) THE SOUNDS ARE AWESOME! :D -Auto of AP __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com
2004-03-17 by endlessnessisticman
Can't you chain two or more patterns to play like in the MD in pattern mode? Just press two or more pattern buttons in order? I see what you are saying there. I see it as being always limited by the instrument. There has been alot of interesting music made on machines that do not have the features everyone is asking. I'm just suggesting that since we can't make music out of our heads that we learn to produce with innovation rather than bother with speculation or requests. The technology is part of the creative process. Alot of these changes would probably help me too. I was just hoping people would get on about how they are making music with these machines and forget about what their ideal machine would do. Not to say this is wrong. It would be even more helpful if some really got serious about making their ideal machine themselves. Remember these are just thoughts, I'm making chatter. --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Gene Schwartz <implode7@p...> wrote: > I wrote about the 28 step pattern... > > I think that you don't quite understand the spirit behind these requests. > The people who have made them all like the Monomachine very much (as far as > I can tell). However, there are still ways in which the user interface can > be improved in orde to aid creativity. Some improvements are not feasible > technically, some might be contrary to the wishes of the majority of users, > and some might be specific to such a small minority that it isn't worth the > time and effort. In some of these cases, their is some workaround in which > the user could accomplish the desired goal, but because of the fact that the > workaround requires a different way of working altogether, it doesn't really > satisfy the goals of person who made the request. > > In my case, I wanted to see the 14 step (or other length) step scales while > I was recording in pattern mode. One doesn't work the same way in song mode. > Therefore your solution (which I was certainly aware of) doesn't really > address my request at all. The improvement I requested would certainly help > me, though I would understand if no one else desired this change, or > Elektron thought that it would not be easy enough or impossible to > accomplish. > > But before you minimize the requests of other users for improvements which > would really help them, think about the fact that it is not just the > eventual technical accomplishment, but the creative process that they might > be thinking about. > > From: "endlessnessisticman" <endlessnessisticman@y...> > Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:22:03 -0000 > To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound > > > Why dont you just set up the patterns to play this way. I know what > you mean by being easier, but that doesn't mean you can't do it on > these sequencers. Just make it a different machine and have it mute > and unmute and change as the song goes. You could even have > evolving kits as you go. Things could always be easier a different > way for each piece of gear, but you gotta work with what you got. > If it's getting too hard maybe you need to change your approach. > > About the 28 step patterns just make two patterns of 14.... > > Alot of what's been said recentlly seems to me to not be impossible > on the MD at least. Different pattern lengths, you are limited by > your longest pattern and in a chain it seems unlimited (more than 32 > steps). > > It's kind of like asking to have a better resolution on this step > pattern. > > Just my opinion here. I hope nobody lashes out at me. I only have > the MD btw not MnM. > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" > <noision1@h...> wrote: > > That is what I liked so much about Megamix in the MC505 and even > better is X-MIX in the Command Stations. Pretty much how they > work!!! VERY VERY NICE > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joe > > To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 11:44:42PM -0000, starpawz612 wrote: > > > another thing LSDj does really well is pattern switching. > each of the > > > four channels can play one pattern at once, and you can > switch which > > > pattern each of the channels is playing indipendently of > each other. > > > it makes cueing and switching very easy ... if each of the > MnM's six > > > tracks could have individual patterns rather than a pattern > > > containing info for all six channels, that would be ruleing. > > > having patterns be able to play on channels rather than > channels play > > > in patterns also makes song composition go really quickly. > > > however i know the MnM is set up like a typical drum > machine/techno > > > box so perhaps people used to old machines would think this > is a wack > > > way of doing things. > > > > that would be fan-freakin-tastic! I'm happy as hell with the MnM > and MD > > as is. but such a feature would take their sequencing ability > > to a whole other level. > > > > > so, back to the start ...for me the question is ... would > individual > > > patterns for each channel be technically feasible or is it > mearly a > > > pipe dream??? hehe > > > > someone asked in here before if it would be possible to > implement something > > along those lines. that is, switch what a track within a pattern > is playing > > while the other tracks play as normal. we were told "no" by > Elektron. but > > I don't quite remember whether it was because it was impossible > or just > > that they thought it would overcomplicate things. > > > > > p.s. still havin good fun w/ the box, learning my way > around it a > > > lot, have come up with a track or two i like enough ... got > to do a > > > few more then i'll share he-heeeee > > > > be sure to! > > > > Joe > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ----------- > > Yahoo! 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2004-03-17 by Gene Schwartz
Well, I guess you can copy and paste patterns, but to exceed 64 steps you'd need to be in song mode. Still - if you copied and pasted a second 14 step pattern, I don't think that you would have 2 chained 14 step patterns on the display. I haven't tried copied and pasting it, actually - I have only tried doing it through the page functions. But you are able to get 2 14 step pages in pattern mode on the machinedrum?
From: "endlessnessisticman" <endlessnessisticman@...> Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:33:45 -0000 To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound I don't know much about the MnM since I don't have one. Can't you chain two or more patterns to play in pattern mode like the MD? --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Gene Schwartz <implode7@p...> wrote: > I wrote about the 28 step pattern... > > I think that you don't quite understand the spirit behind these requests. > The people who have made them all like the Monomachine very much (as far as > I can tell). However, there are still ways in which the user interface can > be improved in orde to aid creativity. Some improvements are not feasible > technically, some might be contrary to the wishes of the majority of users, > and some might be specific to such a small minority that it isn't worth the > time and effort. In some of these cases, their is some workaround in which > the user could accomplish the desired goal, but because of the fact that the > workaround requires a different way of working altogether, it doesn't really > satisfy the goals of person who made the request. > > In my case, I wanted to see the 14 step (or other length) step scales while > I was recording in pattern mode. One doesn't work the same way in song mode. > Therefore your solution (which I was certainly aware of) doesn't really > address my request at all. The improvement I requested would certainly help > me, though I would understand if no one else desired this change, or > Elektron thought that it would not be easy enough or impossible to > accomplish. > > But before you minimize the requests of other users for improvements which > would really help them, think about the fact that it is not just the > eventual technical accomplishment, but the creative process that they might > be thinking about. > > From: "endlessnessisticman" <endlessnessisticman@y...> > Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:22:03 -0000 > To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound > > > Why dont you just set up the patterns to play this way. I know what > you mean by being easier, but that doesn't mean you can't do it on > these sequencers. Just make it a different machine and have it mute > and unmute and change as the song goes. You could even have > evolving kits as you go. Things could always be easier a different > way for each piece of gear, but you gotta work with what you got. > If it's getting too hard maybe you need to change your approach. > > About the 28 step patterns just make two patterns of 14.... > > Alot of what's been said recentlly seems to me to not be impossible > on the MD at least. Different pattern lengths, you are limited by > your longest pattern and in a chain it seems unlimited (more than 32 > steps). > > It's kind of like asking to have a better resolution on this step > pattern. > > Just my opinion here. I hope nobody lashes out at me. I only have > the MD btw not MnM. > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" > <noision1@h...> wrote: > > That is what I liked so much about Megamix in the MC505 and even > better is X-MIX in the Command Stations. Pretty much how they > work!!! VERY VERY NICE > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joe > > To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 11:44:42PM -0000, starpawz612 wrote: > > > another thing LSDj does really well is pattern switching. > each of the > > > four channels can play one pattern at once, and you can > switch which > > > pattern each of the channels is playing indipendently of > each other. > > > it makes cueing and switching very easy ... if each of the > MnM's six > > > tracks could have individual patterns rather than a pattern > > > containing info for all six channels, that would be ruleing. > > > having patterns be able to play on channels rather than > channels play > > > in patterns also makes song composition go really quickly. > > > however i know the MnM is set up like a typical drum > machine/techno > > > box so perhaps people used to old machines would think this > is a wack > > > way of doing things. > > > > that would be fan-freakin-tastic! I'm happy as hell with the MnM > and MD > > as is. but such a feature would take their sequencing ability > > to a whole other level. > > > > > so, back to the start ...for me the question is ... would > individual > > > patterns for each channel be technically feasible or is it > mearly a > > > pipe dream??? hehe > > > > someone asked in here before if it would be possible to > implement something > > along those lines. that is, switch what a track within a pattern > is playing > > while the other tracks play as normal. we were told "no" by > Elektron. but > > I don't quite remember whether it was because it was impossible > or just > > that they thought it would overcomplicate things. > > > > > p.s. still havin good fun w/ the box, learning my way > around it a > > > lot, have come up with a track or two i like enough ... got > to do a > > > few more then i'll share he-heeeee > > > > be sure to! > > > > Joe > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ----------- > > Yahoo! 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2004-03-17 by Gene Schwartz
I see what you're saying...sure - you could keep on chaining the patterns like that, but that really isn't quite the same for editing purposes. I don't think that anyone is saying that these 'omissions' are fatal - I think that the people who are posting these requests are making music successfully on the machinedrum and monomachine. Requesting additional features is not mutually exclusive with the creative process as you imply. It's not like people sit down and think up requests instead of making music. One runs into obstacles in the creative process, and posting these thoughts/requests comes naturally to the creative process in a virtual community like this one. On the other hand, you could just stop reading and spending your time in threads devoted to these kind of issues if you find it a waste of your time!
From: "endlessnessisticman" <endlessnessisticman@...> Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:46:49 -0000 To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound Can't you chain two or more patterns to play like in the MD in pattern mode? Just press two or more pattern buttons in order? I see what you are saying there. I see it as being always limited by the instrument. There has been alot of interesting music made on machines that do not have the features everyone is asking. I'm just suggesting that since we can't make music out of our heads that we learn to produce with innovation rather than bother with speculation or requests. The technology is part of the creative process. Alot of these changes would probably help me too. I was just hoping people would get on about how they are making music with these machines and forget about what their ideal machine would do. Not to say this is wrong. It would be even more helpful if some really got serious about making their ideal machine themselves. Remember these are just thoughts, I'm making chatter. --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Gene Schwartz <implode7@p...> wrote: > I wrote about the 28 step pattern... > > I think that you don't quite understand the spirit behind these requests. > The people who have made them all like the Monomachine very much (as far as > I can tell). However, there are still ways in which the user interface can > be improved in orde to aid creativity. Some improvements are not feasible > technically, some might be contrary to the wishes of the majority of users, > and some might be specific to such a small minority that it isn't worth the > time and effort. In some of these cases, their is some workaround in which > the user could accomplish the desired goal, but because of the fact that the > workaround requires a different way of working altogether, it doesn't really > satisfy the goals of person who made the request. > > In my case, I wanted to see the 14 step (or other length) step scales while > I was recording in pattern mode. One doesn't work the same way in song mode. > Therefore your solution (which I was certainly aware of) doesn't really > address my request at all. The improvement I requested would certainly help > me, though I would understand if no one else desired this change, or > Elektron thought that it would not be easy enough or impossible to > accomplish. > > But before you minimize the requests of other users for improvements which > would really help them, think about the fact that it is not just the > eventual technical accomplishment, but the creative process that they might > be thinking about. > > From: "endlessnessisticman" <endlessnessisticman@y...> > Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:22:03 -0000 > To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound > > > Why dont you just set up the patterns to play this way. I know what > you mean by being easier, but that doesn't mean you can't do it on > these sequencers. Just make it a different machine and have it mute > and unmute and change as the song goes. You could even have > evolving kits as you go. Things could always be easier a different > way for each piece of gear, but you gotta work with what you got. > If it's getting too hard maybe you need to change your approach. > > About the 28 step patterns just make two patterns of 14.... > > Alot of what's been said recentlly seems to me to not be impossible > on the MD at least. Different pattern lengths, you are limited by > your longest pattern and in a chain it seems unlimited (more than 32 > steps). > > It's kind of like asking to have a better resolution on this step > pattern. > > Just my opinion here. I hope nobody lashes out at me. I only have > the MD btw not MnM. > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" > <noision1@h...> wrote: > > That is what I liked so much about Megamix in the MC505 and even > better is X-MIX in the Command Stations. Pretty much how they > work!!! VERY VERY NICE > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joe > > To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [elektron] sound on sound > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 11:44:42PM -0000, starpawz612 wrote: > > > another thing LSDj does really well is pattern switching. > each of the > > > four channels can play one pattern at once, and you can > switch which > > > pattern each of the channels is playing indipendently of > each other. > > > it makes cueing and switching very easy ... if each of the > MnM's six > > > tracks could have individual patterns rather than a pattern > > > containing info for all six channels, that would be ruleing. > > > having patterns be able to play on channels rather than > channels play > > > in patterns also makes song composition go really quickly. > > > however i know the MnM is set up like a typical drum > machine/techno > > > box so perhaps people used to old machines would think this > is a wack > > > way of doing things. > > > > that would be fan-freakin-tastic! I'm happy as hell with the MnM > and MD > > as is. but such a feature would take their sequencing ability > > to a whole other level. > > > > > so, back to the start ...for me the question is ... would > individual > > > patterns for each channel be technically feasible or is it > mearly a > > > pipe dream??? hehe > > > > someone asked in here before if it would be possible to > implement something > > along those lines. that is, switch what a track within a pattern > is playing > > while the other tracks play as normal. we were told "no" by > Elektron. but > > I don't quite remember whether it was because it was impossible > or just > > that they thought it would overcomplicate things. > > > > > p.s. still havin good fun w/ the box, learning my way > around it a > > > lot, have come up with a track or two i like enough ... got > to do a > > > few more then i'll share he-heeeee > > > > be sure to! > > > > Joe > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ----------- > > Yahoo! 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