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New Monomachine owner with a Big problem

New Monomachine owner with a Big problem

2004-04-03 by bachypham

Hi, I have owned every piece of elektron gear at one point or 
another and I now have my hands on a MM.  So far I like it a lot.  I 
have the latest OS installed, but I seem to be having a problem.  
When I switch the preset patterns in the MM that have different 
kits, everything sounds as it should.  But I tried creating my own 
patterns and when I switch from any of my own patterns with 
different kits, the sounds in the new pattern sound all messed up.  
The ONLY way that I can remedy this is by selecting each individual 
track of my pattern and triggering a step button to initialize each 
track's sound prior to starting my pattern.  I am absolutely 
baffeled... I do not understand why the presets function normally.  
I would really like to be able to chain patterns with different kits 
together... Can anyone please help a very frustrated MM owner?

Re: [elektron] New Monomachine owner with a Big problem

2004-04-03 by Joe

On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 01:20:53AM -0000, bachypham wrote:
>    The ONLY way that I can remedy this is by selecting each individual
>    track of my pattern and triggering a step button to initialize each
>    track's sound prior to starting my pattern.  I am absolutely
>    baffeled... I do not understand why the presets function normally.
>    I would really like to be able to chain patterns with different kits
>    together... Can anyone please help a very frustrated MM owner?

stupid question: you're not in multi-trig mode this whole time are you?
because this could cause some funniness like what you mention. if you are,
then exit it while you're writing parts.

if not, then this is very weird. the first thing I would try (before
you've spent a lot of time creating and have things you don't want to
lose) is a soft reset. if that doesn't do it, I'd contact Elektron, as
something very weird is going on.

good luck!
Joe

Re: [elektron] New Monomachine owner with a Big problem

2004-04-03 by john parker

i have had the same thing happen.  it seems to be a multi-trig issue since
the presets are written that way and my new patterns are written without
multi-trig on.  when i stop and start or switch to another pattern and then
back, the problem has gone away.

john
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From: Joe <jmelnyk@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:26:30 -0500
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [elektron] New Monomachine owner with a Big problem


On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 01:20:53AM -0000, bachypham wrote:
>    The ONLY way that I can remedy this is by selecting each individual
>    track of my pattern and triggering a step button to initialize each
>    track's sound prior to starting my pattern.  I am absolutely
>    baffeled... I do not understand why the presets function normally.
>    I would really like to be able to chain patterns with different kits
>    together... Can anyone please help a very frustrated MM owner?

stupid question: you're not in multi-trig mode this whole time are you?
because this could cause some funniness like what you mention. if you are,
then exit it while you're writing parts.

if not, then this is very weird. the first thing I would try (before
you've spent a lot of time creating and have things you don't want to
lose) is a soft reset. if that doesn't do it, I'd contact Elektron, as
something very weird is going on.

good luck!
Joe

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Re: [elektron] New Monomachine owner with a Big problem

2004-04-03 by sirsimonjames

I'm getting exactly the same problem. Whenever i switch bewtween different user patterns 
all the sounds are messed up till I hit a trigger key for each track.

My bug list so far
1. Poly mode trigger problem - random notes getting stuck with each trigger.
2. 'Invisible machines' When loading some patterns some of the machines aren't 
immediately sounding until i go into the setup page and hit enter.
3. Switching patterns problem. Kits act strangely when moving from one to another, 
needing a trigger to rectify the problem.

Lets hope Elektron fix these in the new OS.

S




--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, john parker <jenghizkhan@h...> wrote:
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> i have had the same thing happen.  it seems to be a multi-trig issue since
> the presets are written that way and my new patterns are written without
> multi-trig on.  when i stop and start or switch to another pattern and then
> back, the problem has gone away.
> 
> john
> 
> From: Joe <jmelnyk@c...>
> Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:26:30 -0500
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [elektron] New Monomachine owner with a Big problem
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 01:20:53AM -0000, bachypham wrote:
> >    The ONLY way that I can remedy this is by selecting each individual
> >    track of my pattern and triggering a step button to initialize each
> >    track's sound prior to starting my pattern.  I am absolutely
> >    baffeled... I do not understand why the presets function normally.
> >    I would really like to be able to chain patterns with different kits
> >    together... Can anyone please help a very frustrated MM owner?
> 
> stupid question: you're not in multi-trig mode this whole time are you?
> because this could cause some funniness like what you mention. if you are,
> then exit it while you're writing parts.
> 
> if not, then this is very weird. the first thing I would try (before
> you've spent a lot of time creating and have things you don't want to
> lose) is a soft reset. if that doesn't do it, I'd contact Elektron, as
> something very weird is going on.
> 
> good luck!
> Joe
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Re: [elektron] New Monomachine owner with a Big problem

2004-04-03 by Gene Schwartz

Yeah, I've had all these issues. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the monomachine.
But, I think that it is still extremely buggy.
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From: "sirsimonjames" <sirsimonjames@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 16:38:01 -0000
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [elektron] New Monomachine owner with a Big problem


I'm getting exactly the same problem. Whenever i switch bewtween different
user patterns 
all the sounds are messed up till I hit a trigger key for each track.

My bug list so far
1. Poly mode trigger problem - random notes getting stuck with each trigger.
2. 'Invisible machines' When loading some patterns some of the machines
aren't 
immediately sounding until i go into the setup page and hit enter.
3. Switching patterns problem. Kits act strangely when moving from one to
another, 
needing a trigger to rectify the problem.

Lets hope Elektron fix these in the new OS.

S




--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, john parker <jenghizkhan@h...> wrote:
> i have had the same thing happen.  it seems to be a multi-trig issue since
> the presets are written that way and my new patterns are written without
> multi-trig on.  when i stop and start or switch to another pattern and then
> back, the problem has gone away.
> 
> john
> 
> From: Joe <jmelnyk@c...>
> Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:26:30 -0500
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [elektron] New Monomachine owner with a Big problem
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 01:20:53AM -0000, bachypham wrote:
> >    The ONLY way that I can remedy this is by selecting each individual
> >    track of my pattern and triggering a step button to initialize each
> >    track's sound prior to starting my pattern.  I am absolutely
> >    baffeled... I do not understand why the presets function normally.
> >    I would really like to be able to chain patterns with different kits
> >    together... Can anyone please help a very frustrated MM owner?
> 
> stupid question: you're not in multi-trig mode this whole time are you?
> because this could cause some funniness like what you mention. if you are,
> then exit it while you're writing parts.
> 
> if not, then this is very weird. the first thing I would try (before
> you've spent a lot of time creating and have things you don't want to
> lose) is a soft reset. if that doesn't do it, I'd contact Elektron, as
> something very weird is going on.
> 
> good luck!
> Joe
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Re: [elektron] New Monomachine owner with a Big problem

2004-04-03 by bachypham

I would like to thank everyone for the responses... you can always 
depend on this forum to receive immediate feedback.  Before I got 
too carried away creating patterns, I did a factory reset and it 
seemed to remedy the problem.  I still notice glitches here and 
there when I switch patterns with different kits, but I do not need 
to do anything manually to make my kits sound as they should.  That 
being said, while playing with it all morning, some weird things 
have been happening with a pattern I programmed using the Dpro 
Bbox.  I used one track to create a monophonic drum track with some 
parameter locks and sample changes.  This track has been doing all 
types of crazy unpredictable things.  Different samples randomly and 
occasionally trigger instead of the ones that I have programed and 
the parameter changes do not always function.  I know that this is a 
new product, but all of the bugs that I have noticed since owning 
last afternoon are really making me worried.  I haven't noticed 
anyone talking about these types of phenomena.  Does anyone think 
that my problems may be hardware based?  Before I start freaking 
out, I will try to save what I have created and reinstall my O.S.  
But I am really curious as to whether or not anyone has experienced 
the problems that I am having with the Dpro Bbox.

Bach

Re: [elektron] New Monomachine owner with a Big problem

2004-04-04 by Joe

On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 11:43:12PM -0000, bachypham wrote:
>    I haven't noticed
>    anyone talking about these types of phenomena.
>    Does anyone think
>    that my problems may be hardware based?

possibly... but your problems sound more software based. so it's more
likely that some memory is corrupt somewhere and needs to be reset.

>    Before I start freaking
>    out, I will try to save what I have created and reinstall my O.S.
>    But I am really curious as to whether or not anyone has experienced
>    the problems that I am having with the Dpro Bbox.

I've never experienced nor heard about any of the stuff you've been
dealing with - and I've used the MnM daily for the last six months. so
yeah, if the OS reinstall doesn't help, I would certainly contact Elektron.

good luck!
Joe

Re: [elektron] New Monomachine owner with a Big problem

2004-04-04 by bachypham

Well, I reinstalled the O.S. and I am still noticing my problems.  
Some of my patterns act weird when I switch to them.  My Dpro Bbox 
sequence does not trigger correctly.  The thought of having to part 
with my MM already frightens me and I have only had it for two 
days.  But if my unit is the only isolated case of this phenomena, I 
may have to find a solution through the hands of Elektron.  I notice 
that the build quality is not as nice as the Machinedrum.  The 
faceplate to the casing is not flush with the body... there is a bit 
of a gap.  The silkscreen printing is not as neat as it was on the 
MD as well.  I notice that the MM is now made in Estonia.  Does 
anyone notice this as well?  Should I contact Elektron, or am I only 
noticing typical software bugs?

thanks,
Bach

Re: [elektron] New Monomachine owner with a Big problem

2004-04-04 by Joe

On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 07:55:22PM -0000, bachypham wrote:
>    Should I contact Elektron, or am I only
>    noticing typical software bugs?

contact them. if you live in the states, you won't have to send it back
to Sweden, by the way - they have a US repair facility in LA now.

and it's better to part with it now than after you've created several songs
with it. then again, you might not get much done anyway with such weird
problems!

Joe

Re: [elektron] New Monomachine owner with a Big problem

2004-04-05 by olster2003

With regards to build quality I noticed a problem with my SFX60 - 
which I only got last week - the LEDs for the data selection keys 
aren't properly aligned underneath the plastic fascia.  Only about 
half to two thirds of each LED is visible.  The plastic fascia is 
seated correctly so it seems the mounting for the LEDs has possibly 
slipped (although they are not 'loose') or just hasn't been fixed in 
the right place.  It doesn't affect its use but is still a 
bit 'annoying'...

Anyone else had this?  


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "bachypham" <bachypham@y...> 
wrote:
> Well, I reinstalled the O.S. and I am still noticing my problems.  
> Some of my patterns act weird when I switch to them.  My Dpro Bbox 
> sequence does not trigger correctly.  The thought of having to part 
> with my MM already frightens me and I have only had it for two 
> days.  But if my unit is the only isolated case of this phenomena, 
I 
> may have to find a solution through the hands of Elektron.  I 
notice 
> that the build quality is not as nice as the Machinedrum.  The 
> faceplate to the casing is not flush with the body... there is a 
bit 
> of a gap.  The silkscreen printing is not as neat as it was on the 
> MD as well.  I notice that the MM is now made in Estonia.  Does 
> anyone notice this as well?  Should I contact Elektron, or am I 
only 
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> noticing typical software bugs?
> 
> thanks,
> Bach

Re: [elektron] New Monomachine owner with a Big problem

2004-04-05 by bachypham

I noticed that as well, it did not bother me as much as the gap 
though, because dust could eventually harm the inner components.  
Actually, I wouldn't even mind the gap that much as long as the unit 
functioned properly.  It just bothers me that some people have 
encountered no problems whatsoever.  How could this be if the 
symptoms are supposed to be from a software bug.  It does not make 
any sense... shouldn't everyone who has a MM be experiencing what I 
am experincing?

Bach
--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "olster2003" 
<oliver.tann@a...> wrote:
> With regards to build quality I noticed a problem with my SFX60 - 
> which I only got last week - the LEDs for the data selection keys 
> aren't properly aligned underneath the plastic fascia.  Only about 
> half to two thirds of each LED is visible.  The plastic fascia is 
> seated correctly so it seems the mounting for the LEDs has 
possibly 
> slipped (although they are not 'loose') or just hasn't been fixed 
in 
> the right place.  It doesn't affect its use but is still a 
> bit 'annoying'...
> 
> Anyone else had this?  
> 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "bachypham" 
<bachypham@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Well, I reinstalled the O.S. and I am still noticing my 
problems.  
> > Some of my patterns act weird when I switch to them.  My Dpro 
Bbox 
> > sequence does not trigger correctly.  The thought of having to 
part 
> > with my MM already frightens me and I have only had it for two 
> > days.  But if my unit is the only isolated case of this 
phenomena, 
> I 
> > may have to find a solution through the hands of Elektron.  I 
> notice 
> > that the build quality is not as nice as the Machinedrum.  The 
> > faceplate to the casing is not flush with the body... there is a 
> bit 
> > of a gap.  The silkscreen printing is not as neat as it was on 
the 
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> > MD as well.  I notice that the MM is now made in Estonia.  Does 
> > anyone notice this as well?  Should I contact Elektron, or am I 
> only 
> > noticing typical software bugs?
> > 
> > thanks,
> > Bach

Re: [elektron] New Monomachine owner with a Big problem

2004-04-06 by daniel_elektron

Just some notes to the problems some people have expressed in here
lately...

As of OS1.02 there should be no _major_ bugs in the Monomachine. It is
well tested by some hundereds of users, and if there were some fatal
bugs I think we should have known about them. There might be a few
oversights, and the best you can do is to make a full dump of the
memory, send it to support@... together with a detailed
description on how to recreate the problem. We should then pretty
quickly be able to see if it's a bug or something else, and if it is a
bug indeed we should be able to track it down easily if we can
recreate it.

What is useful to solve problems is to reset the memory to factory
default or empty. What is not useful is to reinstall the same OS
again. That will not make any difference whatsoever. The flash never
get corrupted, and even if it did you would notice it much more than
just a strange bug.

The problems that some people expressed sounds like they slipped on
the trig track-button down to the right, and programmed a track with
perhaps only the amp active. The pattern would then sound more or less
right as it is programmed (only that the filter env and lfo is never
trigged). But when it is changed to from another pattern the machines
will never load, as a full trig (amp, filter and lfo) is needed to
load a machine. So, if you trig the tracks by hand and then press play
it would sound ok again, but not until then. Check if this is the case
by selecting trig track "ALL", and then enter grid recordoing mode.
The first trig of the tracks should be red, indicating that it is a
full trig that will load the machine. If it is green only part ofthe
trig tracks are trigged, and the machine will not be loaded. Press the
corresponding key in trig track "ALL" in grid recording mode to set
all trig tracks! Hope this solves some problems...

As for the production quality... The front plate is still produced at
the same factory in Sweden. Only the final assembly is made in
Estonia. The case can vary a little from unit to unit, as it is hand made.

Daniel


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "bachypham" <bachypham@y...> wrote:
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> Well, I reinstalled the O.S. and I am still noticing my problems.  
> Some of my patterns act weird when I switch to them.  My Dpro Bbox 
> sequence does not trigger correctly.  The thought of having to part 
> with my MM already frightens me and I have only had it for two 
> days.  But if my unit is the only isolated case of this phenomena, I 
> may have to find a solution through the hands of Elektron.  I notice 
> that the build quality is not as nice as the Machinedrum.  The 
> faceplate to the casing is not flush with the body... there is a bit 
> of a gap.  The silkscreen printing is not as neat as it was on the 
> MD as well.  I notice that the MM is now made in Estonia.  Does 
> anyone notice this as well?  Should I contact Elektron, or am I only 
> noticing typical software bugs?
> 
> thanks,
> Bach

Re: [elektron] New Monomachine owner with a Big problem

2004-04-06 by sirsimonjames

thanks daniel. I tried that thing with the trig select and it seems to have done 
the trick on any patterns i have created. But...... on pattern B03 - Yazza, track 2 
still requires me to go into edit and hit enter to make it sound. Why? It has a 
full trigger on step 1...

Simon






--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_elektron" <daniel@e...> 
wrote:
> 
> Just some notes to the problems some people have expressed in here
> lately...
> 
> As of OS1.02 there should be no _major_ bugs in the Monomachine. It is
> well tested by some hundereds of users, and if there were some fatal
> bugs I think we should have known about them. There might be a few
> oversights, and the best you can do is to make a full dump of the
> memory, send it to support@e... together with a detailed
> description on how to recreate the problem. We should then pretty
> quickly be able to see if it's a bug or something else, and if it is a
> bug indeed we should be able to track it down easily if we can
> recreate it.
> 
> What is useful to solve problems is to reset the memory to factory
> default or empty. What is not useful is to reinstall the same OS
> again. That will not make any difference whatsoever. The flash never
> get corrupted, and even if it did you would notice it much more than
> just a strange bug.
> 
> The problems that some people expressed sounds like they slipped on
> the trig track-button down to the right, and programmed a track with
> perhaps only the amp active. The pattern would then sound more or less
> right as it is programmed (only that the filter env and lfo is never
> trigged). But when it is changed to from another pattern the machines
> will never load, as a full trig (amp, filter and lfo) is needed to
> load a machine. So, if you trig the tracks by hand and then press play
> it would sound ok again, but not until then. Check if this is the case
> by selecting trig track "ALL", and then enter grid recordoing mode.
> The first trig of the tracks should be red, indicating that it is a
> full trig that will load the machine. If it is green only part ofthe
> trig tracks are trigged, and the machine will not be loaded. Press the
> corresponding key in trig track "ALL" in grid recording mode to set
> all trig tracks! Hope this solves some problems...
> 
> As for the production quality... The front plate is still produced at
> the same factory in Sweden. Only the final assembly is made in
> Estonia. The case can vary a little from unit to unit, as it is hand made.
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "bachypham" <bachypham@y...> 
wrote:
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> > Well, I reinstalled the O.S. and I am still noticing my problems.  
> > Some of my patterns act weird when I switch to them.  My Dpro Bbox 
> > sequence does not trigger correctly.  The thought of having to part 
> > with my MM already frightens me and I have only had it for two 
> > days.  But if my unit is the only isolated case of this phenomena, I 
> > may have to find a solution through the hands of Elektron.  I notice 
> > that the build quality is not as nice as the Machinedrum.  The 
> > faceplate to the casing is not flush with the body... there is a bit 
> > of a gap.  The silkscreen printing is not as neat as it was on the 
> > MD as well.  I notice that the MM is now made in Estonia.  Does 
> > anyone notice this as well?  Should I contact Elektron, or am I only 
> > noticing typical software bugs?
> > 
> > thanks,
> > Bach

Re: [elektron] New Monomachine owner with a Big problem

2004-04-06 by daniel_elektron

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "sirsimonjames"
<sirsimonjames@y...> wrote:
> thanks daniel. I tried that thing with the trig select and it seems
to have done 
> the trick on any patterns i have created. But...... on pattern B03 -
Yazza, track 2 
> still requires me to go into edit and hit enter to make it sound.
Why? It has a 
> full trigger on step 1...

Happy to hear some problems were resolved! I don't know why you might
have problems with B03, but maybe if you dump and send us the two
patterns+kits causing the problems, we can work it out!

Daniel

[Elektron] New OS for MnM

2004-04-16 by Automatic Panic

Anyone tried the new OS for the MnM? Os1.3 is on the
elektron website. If you have it, is it worth using? 


	
		
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Re: [Elektron] New OS for MnM

2004-04-16 by Joe

On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 07:04:39AM -0700, Automatic Panic wrote:
>    Anyone tried the new OS for the MnM? Os1.3 is on the
>    elektron website. If you have it, is it worth using?

Hmm....there was no announcement by Elektron... perhaps you beat them
to it? :-)

I haven't installed it yet. but the .txt that comes with it says that
it's mainly a bug fix update. it also includes a joystick "sanity check"
to warn you to calibrate your joystick if needed.

Joe

Re: [Elektron] New OS for MnM

2004-04-16 by Andy Tarpinian

Did they put up a new os for the MD too? Remember from the elektron.se page

"We look forward to meet you at the Musikmesse.
 Monomachine, Machinedrum and new OS versions."
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On 4/16/04 10:35 AM, "Joe" wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 07:04:39AM -0700, Automatic Panic wrote:
>>    Anyone tried the new OS for the MnM? Os1.3 is on the
>>    elektron website. If you have it, is it worth using?
> 
> Hmm....there was no announcement by Elektron... perhaps you beat them
> to it? :-)
> 
> I haven't installed it yet. but the .txt that comes with it says that
> it's mainly a bug fix update. it also includes a joystick "sanity check"
> to warn you to calibrate your joystick if needed.
> 
> Joe

Re: [Elektron] New OS for MnM

2004-04-16 by droolmaster0

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 07:04:39AM -0700, Automatic Panic wrote:
> >    Anyone tried the new OS for the MnM? Os1.3 is on the
> >    elektron website. If you have it, is it worth using?
> 
> Hmm....there was no announcement by Elektron... perhaps you beat 
them
> to it? :-)
> 
> I haven't installed it yet. but the .txt that comes with it says 
that
> it's mainly a bug fix update. it also includes a joystick "sanity 
check"
> to warn you to calibrate your joystick if needed.
> 
> Joe

Actually, this is excellent. I have been bothered by at least 2 of 
these bugs (a few others sound very familiar...).

"When receiving lots of MIDI CC the graphics update would shutter, 
and could stop completely and freeze the Monomachine. Fixed."

"When in ext sync and after having done a fallback to internal clock 
and receiving a midi start or continue Monomachine did start directly 
when it should wait for the first timing clock before starting. 
Fixed."

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.