Elektron Musical Instruments

I own a monomachine so don't have a clue what these 'Ctr Machines' are. Can
someone explain for me please?

I've heard all the Machinedrum users getting jazzed about this addition to
the os and feel excited myself that it might be added to future monomachine
os.

thankyou
>

CTR stands for "ConTRol". The Machinedrum does not have the ability to  
place parameter locks for a track on a step which does not have a trigger  
on it, so these CTR machines fill a gap in the Machinedrum's  
functionality, by letting you use a track to do nothing but "send"  
parameter changes to other tracks. The monomachine, of course, can already  
put parameter locks on any step you want.

The exciting part for me is how the CTR-8P (for "8 Parameter") machine  
centralizes control of many parameters on different tracks onto one  
screen. Now you can have the pitch from the bass drum, the interference  
frequency from your snare drum, and the decay settings for your hats and  
things all on one screen, for easy use during live performance, without  
using up a lot of hand movement changing active track. That is why CTR-8P  
is cool.

The other CTR machine is CTR-AL (for "ALL tracks"). You do not choose  
which specific tracks the control changes on this machine go to - changing  
a parameter on CTR-AL changes that same parameter on EVERY track. Using  
CTR-AL, you can create some interesting kit-wide effects on drum tracks  
which would be difficult to achieve otherwise, sort of like how the BBOX  
machine's synthesis parameters affect every drum sample on a BBOX track.

The danger of CTR machines is that they alter the non-locked parameter  
settings in the active kit, so if you save the kit while it is being  
altered by a CTR machine track, the changes that the CTR machine made are  
saved! You have to make a habit of saving a kit directly after adding CTR  
machines to it, before you do anything.

So, the feature of having a collection of arbitrary parameters from all  
tracks on one screen is very very useful on a 16 track machine such as the  
Machinedrum, in addition to fulfilling the trig-less lock function. Using  
1 track out of a 6 track Monomachine just for controls would be somewhat  
less exciting. I would rather the Monomachine got a new FX machine, like a  
ring modulator or distortion synthesizer.

-Andrew D

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:08:58 +0100, Simon James  
<sirsimonjames@...> wrote:

> I own a monomachine so don't have a clue what these 'Ctr Machines' are.  
> Can
> someone explain for me please?
>
> I've heard all the Machinedrum users getting jazzed about this addition  
> to
> the os and feel excited myself that it might be added to future  
> monomachine
> os.

--- Simon James <sirsimonjames@...> wrote:
> I own a monomachine so don't have a clue what these
> 'Ctr Machines' are. Can
> someone explain for me please?
> 
> I've heard all the Machinedrum users getting jazzed
> about this addition to
> the os and feel excited myself that it might be
> added to future monomachine
> os.
> 
> thankyou
> > 
> 
> 


I think it would be nice to add the CTR function also
a retrigger function for all the machines would be
great too. :o)  Add it please! So we can mangel the
crap outta this beast! :o)


	
		
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On Jul 21, 2004, at 4:42 AM, Andrew Denyes wrote:

>  Using
> 1 track out of a 6 track Monomachine just for controls would be 
> somewhat
> less exciting.

agreed.  I hate even having to sacrifice a MnM track to FX (though they 
sound
great).  they should make an SFX-12 :-)

BUT it would be cool to have the FUNCTION + parameter change 
functionality
in the MnM; mainly for global filter sweeps and global delay changes.

for those who don't know (e.g. this thread's creator): the 
functionality I'm speaking of
is a new MD function whereby if you hold FUNCTION while changing a 
parameter,
the parameter will be changed in each track's machine.

>  I would rather the Monomachine got a new FX machine, like a
> ring modulator or distortion synthesizer.

I highly agree! I've been hoping for more FX ever since the beta
release said they planned further ones.  they did add the chorus one 
since
then, but I've been hoping for the phaser and flanger as well. ring mod 
would
also be cool :-) a dream feature would be if you could replace the delay
effect in a track with another effect; like chorus, reverb, ring mod, 
etc. but
again, it's a dream feature!

Joe

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Denyes" <andr00@e...> 
wrote:
> I would rather the Monomachine got a new FX machine, like a  
> ring modulator or distortion synthesizer.

If by this you mean a _phase_ distortion synthesizer like the Casio 
CZ-101, then I fully second that request!  Seems like an obvious 
omission... add it add it add it!

-gerald

--- Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@...> wrote:
> On Jul 21, 2004, at 4:42 AM, Andrew Denyes wrote:
> 
> >  Using
> > 1 track out of a 6 track Monomachine just for
> controls would be 
> > somewhat
> > less exciting.
> 
> agreed.  I hate even having to sacrifice a MnM track
> to FX (though they 
> sound
> great).  they should make an SFX-12 :-)
> 
> BUT it would be cool to have the FUNCTION +
> parameter change 
> functionality
> in the MnM; mainly for global filter sweeps and
> global delay changes.
> 
> for those who don't know (e.g. this thread's
> creator): the 
> functionality I'm speaking of
> is a new MD function whereby if you hold FUNCTION
> while changing a 
> parameter,
> the parameter will be changed in each track's
> machine.
> 
> >  I would rather the Monomachine got a new FX
> machine, like a
> > ring modulator or distortion synthesizer.
> 
> I highly agree! I've been hoping for more FX ever
> since the beta
> release said they planned further ones.  they did
> add the chorus one 
> since
> then, but I've been hoping for the phaser and
> flanger as well. ring mod 
> would
> also be cool :-) a dream feature would be if you
> could replace the delay
> effect in a track with another effect; like chorus,
> reverb, ring mod, 
> etc. but
> again, it's a dream feature!
> 
> Joe
> 
> 


Ah yes! The Function hold feature would be an awesome
tool to add. Also a retrigger function for all the
machines would be tight! :o)


	
		
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The CTR machines should be able to occupy a MIDI track instead of a synth
track on the MnM...

Also on both MD and MnM, a check box or switch on each track to include it
in the FUNCTION+CTRL or not, as stated earlier.

And I'd still love to see the MnM joystick record to parameter locks feature
show up (minus pitch bend, since this seemed to be the obstacle in doing
this)...

ah, well
ripe

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Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [elektron] CTR Machines

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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@c...> 
wrote:
> On Jul 21, 2004, at 4:42 AM, Andrew Denyes wrote:
> 
> BUT it would be cool to have the FUNCTION + parameter change 
> functionality
> in the MnM; mainly for global filter sweeps and global delay 
changes.

I understand the question but this functionality is already present:
"The Joystick" (wich is non permanent btw)
But maybe it could be handy.....should be do-able within the spec's

But as mentioned before, please make joystick movements recordable 
and add some more FX machines.......

Ronald.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "oldmanfury" <erinys@s...> 
wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Denyes" 
<andr00@e...> 
> wrote:
> > I would rather the Monomachine got a new FX machine, like a  
> > ring modulator or distortion synthesizer.
> 
> If by this you mean a _phase_ distortion synthesizer like the Casio 
> CZ-101, then I fully second that request!  Seems like an obvious 
> omission... add it add it add it!


Slightly off topic, but i was reminded of it: 
The effects in the mono are sweet but, and i would always appreciate 
more. Besides Elektron promised more ever since the betas. I third 
everything everyone's brought up.  But I have been looking to build 
up my outboard effects, keeping it to the essentials, im keeping my 
studio on a low carb diet, because it has a low metabolism and tends 
to bloat easily. (btw im sick of hearing about this diet here in the 
US and im sure everyone else is too, sorry for bringing it up) Im on 
my way to getting an EQ & compressor.
  SO i was wondering if anybody knew of a nice sounding, flexible 
multieffects unit with a wide variety of effects inside, with a wide 
range of parameters, to go from super nice to super grimey as 
neccesary. 
-pat

You left out one key thing: PRICE :)
What range are you thinking?

-Chris

* zebraoner (zebraoner@...) wrote:

> Slightly off topic, but i was reminded of it: 
> The effects in the mono are sweet but, and i would always appreciate 
> more. Besides Elektron promised more ever since the betas. I third 
> everything everyone's brought up.  But I have been looking to build 
> up my outboard effects, keeping it to the essentials, im keeping my 
> studio on a low carb diet, because it has a low metabolism and tends 
> to bloat easily. (btw im sick of hearing about this diet here in the 
> US and im sure everyone else is too, sorry for bringing it up) Im on 
> my way to getting an EQ & compressor.
>   SO i was wondering if anybody knew of a nice sounding, flexible 
> multieffects unit with a wide variety of effects inside, with a wide 
> range of parameters, to go from super nice to super grimey as 
> neccesary. 
> -pat

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Chris Thomas <yahoo@f...> 
wrote:
> You left out one key thing: PRICE :)
> What range are you thinking?
>


ummm... not to sure. Im not rich, but ill afford it if i think ill be 
getting my moneys worth. I guess anywhere above and below around 500 
US$ or so. Maybe less maybe more, i dont know. So im just giving 500 
to start, then i can go from there.  Im not trying to get to crazy, I 
could be convinced to go higher though. I dont dont know how 
expensive these can get, but im sure a lot more than that. 
-pat

Check out the ensoniq dp/4

-logan

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "zebraoner" <zebraoner@y...> 
wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Chris Thomas <yahoo@f...> 
> wrote:
> > You left out one key thing: PRICE :)
> > What range are you thinking?
> >
> 
> 
> ummm... not to sure. Im not rich, but ill afford it if i think ill 
be 
> getting my moneys worth. I guess anywhere above and below around 
500 
> US$ or so. Maybe less maybe more, i dont know. So im just giving 
500 
> to start, then i can go from there.  Im not trying to get to crazy, 
I 

> could be convinced to go higher though. I dont dont know how 
> expensive these can get, but im sure a lot more than that. 
> -pat

I think you're going to get the most bang for your buck out of a Lexican
MPX1. They go for about $500 used. If you can go a little higher then go
for a TC Fireworx.
If you need multiple ins/outs, then an Ensoniq DP/4 will probably suit
you well and cost ~$350.
The other TC multi-fx boxes are good too.

-Chris

* zebraoner (zebraoner@...) wrote:

> ummm... not to sure. Im not rich, but ill afford it if i think ill be 
> getting my moneys worth. I guess anywhere above and below around 500 
> US$ or so. Maybe less maybe more, i dont know. So im just giving 500 
> to start, then i can go from there.  Im not trying to get to crazy, I 
> could be convinced to go higher though. I dont dont know how 
> expensive these can get, but im sure a lot more than that. 
> -pat

I got my MPX1 on ebay mint for $350 and I love it. The fireworx is a must
have also for real mangling.

agreed on both.

/m

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From: "Chris Thomas" <yahoo@...>
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: OT multieffects processors....Re: [elektron] CTR Machines / PDS


> I think you're going to get the most bang for your buck out of a Lexican
> MPX1. They go for about $500 used. If you can go a little higher then go
> for a TC Fireworx.
> If you need multiple ins/outs, then an Ensoniq DP/4 will probably suit
> you well and cost ~$350.
> The other TC multi-fx boxes are good too.
>
> -Chris
>
> * zebraoner (zebraoner@...) wrote:
> > ummm... not to sure. Im not rich, but ill afford it if i think ill be
> > getting my moneys worth. I guess anywhere above and below around 500
> > US$ or so. Maybe less maybe more, i dont know. So im just giving 500
> > to start, then i can go from there.  Im not trying to get to crazy, I
> > could be convinced to go higher though. I dont dont know how
> > expensive these can get, but im sure a lot more than that.
> > -pat
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$350 for an MPX1 - Nice!

* Mati (zurich.enteract@...) wrote:

> I got my MPX1 on ebay mint for $350 and I love it. The fireworx is a must
> have also for real mangling.
> 
> agreed on both.
> 
> /m

yeah it was a total Buy Now score. with original box and manual.

/m

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Thomas" <yahoo@...>
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: OT multieffects processors....Re: [elektron] CTR Machines / PDS


> $350 for an MPX1 - Nice!
>
> * Mati (zurich.enteract@...) wrote:
> > I got my MPX1 on ebay mint for $350 and I love it. The fireworx is a
must

> > have also for real mangling.
> >
> > agreed on both.
> >
> > /m
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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> > Lexicon MPX1. TC Fireworx. Ensoniq DP/4 

I agree with these recommendations... some others to
consider would be a t.c. m300, Lexicon PCM-81,
Kurzweil Rumour, Kurzweil Mangler, Sony DPS-V77...

ultimately, here is what I would recommend: get TWO
units. the first unit should be something like the
t.c. FireworX, Ensoniq DP/4 or Kurzweil Mangler, which
will cover most of the special effects and "grime"
that you're after. the second unit should be something
like a Lex MPX-1, t.c. m300 or Kurzweil Rumour, to be
used primarily for reverbs and delays. 

this is just my thinking based on my own experiences,
but I suspect that if you go with only one unit you
will find yourself wanting to use it for more things
at once than you will be able to. and two units still
isn't overly "bloated" ;-)

cheers,
kevin

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Hello

I just got through sending a super duper scathing email this 
beatsample spammer dude, it was pretty funny actually, i hope it 
pisses him off. ;)

> Check out the Vermona retro-verb
> 

I have.
That seems allfull expensive for a just a spring reverb and that 
other thing it has, i think ring mod? i dont recall. Im not hating on 
it, actually it looks like a lot of fun, with that crash button and 
whatnot,I actually have been looking for spring reverbs too. I cant 
get enough of analog. and its not really a multieffects, more of a 
bieffects.

I appreciate all the input yall have given ont this, i got some 
research to do.

-pat

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> 
> I just got through sending a super duper scathing email this 
> beatsample.com spammer dude, it was pretty funny actually, i hope 
it 
> pisses him off. ;)

everyone on here, thats tire of that crap should email him too,(im 
sure that its everyone) give him a taste of his own medicine, its fun 
actually. I dont know if hes still on this group but hes on bunch of 
other yahoo groups. And hes just asking for it, in my opinion.
anyways, this borders on spam, so ill stop while im ahead. Lets stop 
this fool.
later
=patrick