Emax

I have an Emax HD (non-SE) with the external scsi upgrade. This 
requires my SCSI ID to be at 0 to recognize a drive as many of you 
may already know. I purchased a zip drive that will allow me to use 
the SCSI ID 0 and it will Scan disk for Errors just fine, but when I 
try to Format a disk, it just says "Loading Software". The light 
comes on the Zip drive I hear some noise and the whole thing is over 
in about 8 seconds. After this happens I try to boot from SCSI and 
its a no go. I am under the impression that formatting should take a 
few minutes not a few seconds, so I assume my zips havent been 
formatted. Has anyone else experienced this? 

I have experimented with different termination settings. I havc 
experimented with different scsi ID's, although becomes painfully 
obvious that nothing will happen unless at ID 0. The internal hard 
drive is obviously disconnected for the zip to work. I have checked 
cables and done everything that I can think of. Will the non SE Emax 
HD just not work with a zip drive? Am I missing something? I can 
format with the same zip drive and save files fine with my MPC 60. No 
go with the Emax. Tell what im missing here. 

Thanx in advance.....

Are you using the Plus OS?

On 20 Oct 2003 at 22:51, roscoe_sheridan spoke unto me:

> I have an Emax HD (non-SE) with the external scsi upgrade. This 
> requires my SCSI ID to be at 0 to recognize a drive as many of you may
> already know. I purchased a zip drive that will allow me to use the
> SCSI ID 0 and it will Scan disk for Errors just fine, but when I try
> to Format a disk, it just says "Loading Software". The light comes on
> the Zip drive I hear some noise and the whole thing is over in about 8
> seconds. After this happens I try to boot from SCSI and its a no go. I
> am under the impression that formatting should take a few minutes not
> a few seconds, so I assume my zips havent been formatted. Has anyone
> else experienced this? 
> 
> I have experimented with different termination settings. I havc 
> experimented with different scsi ID's, although becomes painfully
> obvious that nothing will happen unless at ID 0. The internal hard
> drive is obviously disconnected for the zip to work. I have checked
> cables and done everything that I can think of. Will the non SE Emax
> HD just not work with a zip drive? Am I missing something? I can
> format with the same zip drive and save files fine with my MPC 60. No
> go with the Emax. Tell what im missing here. 
> 
> Thanx in advance.....
> 
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Are you using the Plus OS?

On 20 Oct 2003 at 22:51, roscoe_sheridan spoke unto me:

> I have an Emax HD (non-SE) with the external scsi upgrade. This 
> requires my SCSI ID to be at 0 to recognize a drive as many of you may
> already know. I purchased a zip drive that will allow me to use the
> SCSI ID 0 and it will Scan disk for Errors just fine, but when I try
> to Format a disk, it just says "Loading Software". The light comes on
> the Zip drive I hear some noise and the whole thing is over in about 8
> seconds. After this happens I try to boot from SCSI and its a no go. I
> am under the impression that formatting should take a few minutes not
> a few seconds, so I assume my zips havent been formatted. Has anyone
> else experienced this? 
> 
> I have experimented with different termination settings. I havc 
> experimented with different scsi ID's, although becomes painfully
> obvious that nothing will happen unless at ID 0. The internal hard
> drive is obviously disconnected for the zip to work. I have checked
> cables and done everything that I can think of. Will the non SE Emax
> HD just not work with a zip drive? Am I missing something? I can
> format with the same zip drive and save files fine with my MPC 60. No
> go with the Emax. Tell what im missing here. 
> 
> Thanx in advance.....
> 
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No I am not... I was under the impression that I could not use 
it...unless my Emax was had the SE upgrade. I am HD version 1.1 
software...which doesnt have the selectable SCSI ID feature. My zip 
is set to SCSI ID 0 like the internal HD was.

--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "John Silveria" <emaxjs@s...> wrote:
> Are you using the Plus OS?

More testing done today. I got it to format and save and load 
banks...to/from the zip. I cannot get the Emax to boot from the zip. 
Anyone got any ideas on this? As before stated, I have tried 
different termination, and the SCSI ID is at 0. With just no floppy 
in the drive...the screen reads "please insert disk". When I unhook 
the floppy... the system just hangs. Any help in this matter would be 
appreciated. 

BTW: The Emax formats zips super fast. I thought it wasnt formatting 
at all....but wow. I also tried the Plus OS and I got a "Wrong 
Software" message so... it seems my earlier assumptions about needing 
the SE software to use it was correct.




--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "roscoe_sheridan" <sonofsoulmusic@y...> 
wrote:

> No I am not... I was under the impression that I could not use 
> it...unless my Emax was had the SE upgrade. I am HD version 1.1 
> software...which doesnt have the selectable SCSI ID feature. My zip 
> is set to SCSI ID 0 like the internal HD was.
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "John Silveria" <emaxjs@s...> wrote:
> > Are you using the Plus OS?

Hi,
Nice to see an Emax non-SE working with a ZIP100.
It may be having problems booting from a disk that has not spun up and is
ready in time. The Emax II cycles round the SCSI ids looking for a drive to
be ready but the Emax HD OS probably expects the drive to be ready faster
than a ZIP can spin up.

Rob
  More testing done today. I got it to format and save and load
  banks...to/from the zip. I cannot get the Emax to boot from the zip.
  Anyone got any ideas on this? As before stated, I have tried
  different termination, and the SCSI ID is at 0. With just no floppy
  in the drive...the screen reads "please insert disk". When I unhook
  the floppy... the system just hangs. Any help in this matter would be
  appreciated.

  BTW: The Emax formats zips super fast. I thought it wasnt formatting
  at all....but wow. I also tried the Plus OS and I got a "Wrong
  Software" message so... it seems my earlier assumptions about needing
  the SE software to use it was correct.


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Just one question. Did you use the copy software option and copy the OS to the Zip? If not you might try that. The OS must be on the boot disk and you'll have to copy it from a floppy. After you copy software see if it will boot. Also the Zip drive formats  completely in seconds from my experience. Hope this helps.
Skip

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: roscoe_sheridan 
  To: emax@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 5:51 PM
  Subject: [emax] Emax HD SCSI Zip Question


  I have an Emax HD (non-SE) with the external scsi upgrade. This 
  requires my SCSI ID to be at 0 to recognize a drive as many of you 
  may already know. I purchased a zip drive that will allow me to use 
  the SCSI ID 0 and it will Scan disk for Errors just fine, but when I 
  try to Format a disk, it just says "Loading Software". The light 
  comes on the Zip drive I hear some noise and the whole thing is over 
  in about 8 seconds. After this happens I try to boot from SCSI and 
  its a no go. I am under the impression that formatting should take a 
  few minutes not a few seconds, so I assume my zips havent been 
  formatted. Has anyone else experienced this? 

  I have experimented with different termination settings. I havc 
  experimented with different scsi ID's, although becomes painfully 
  obvious that nothing will happen unless at ID 0. The internal hard 
  drive is obviously disconnected for the zip to work. I have checked 
  cables and done everything that I can think of. Will the non SE Emax 
  HD just not work with a zip drive? Am I missing something? I can 
  format with the same zip drive and save files fine with my MPC 60. No 
  go with the Emax. Tell what im missing here. 

  Thanx in advance.....


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Yes I copied the OS to the Zip. I did figure out that it formats 
quite fast....earlier today. Also.. it doesnt matter what length of 
time the zip is powered up before I turn on the Emax, so I doubt it 
is a question of the zip spinning up too slowly. I have tested it 
with the zip powered up...from 0 to 5 mins before the Emax is turned 
on. Any other ideas on why I cant boot from Zip? 

Thanks for the ideas so far. 



--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Spoula" <skiplay4@m...> wrote:
> Just one question. Did you use the copy software option and copy 
the OS to the Zip? If not you might try that. The OS must be on the 
boot disk and you'll have to copy it from a floppy. After you copy 
software see if it will boot. Also the Zip drive formats  completely 
in seconds from my experience. Hope this helps.
> Skip

Could it be the access time? The Zip has like a 28 ms access time since it's a modified 
tape drive, not a modified hard drive like the Syquest drives were.

On 22 Oct 2003 at 3:17, roscoe_sheridan spoke unto me:

> Yes I copied the OS to the Zip. I did figure out that it formats quite
> fast....earlier today. Also.. it doesnt matter what length of time the
> zip is powered up before I turn on the Emax, so I doubt it is a
> question of the zip spinning up too slowly. I have tested it with the
> zip powered up...from 0 to 5 mins before the Emax is turned on. Any
> other ideas on why I cant boot from Zip? 
> 
> Thanks for the ideas so far. 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "Skip Spoula" <skiplay4@m...> wrote: >
> Just one question. Did you use the copy software option and copy the
> OS to the Zip? If not you might try that. The OS must be on the boot
> disk and you'll have to copy it from a floppy. After you copy software
> see if it will boot. Also the Zip drive formats  completely in seconds
> from my experience. Hope this helps. > Skip
> 
> 
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That very well could have something to do with it. My logic says that 
if it can boot from zip on the SE you should be able to on the HD as 
well. I would think booting would be more a hardware than a software 
issue. At any rate.. im in the process of replacing my internal hard 
drive. Im thinking I can boot from there... then use the zip for its 
load and save capabilities. It will take a mod and be a slight 
inconvienence but...it will work for now until I get this issue 
worked out. Thanks for all the help so far. Any more ideas on why it 
wont boot from zip are quite welcome. 



--- In emax@yahoogroups.com, "John Silveria" <emaxjs@s...> wrote:
> Could it be the access time? The Zip has like a 28 ms access time 
since it's a modified 
> tape drive, not a modified hard drive like the Syquest drives were.