EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

read previous post for more info:

ok, so as a workaround, I turned off "one shot" and raised 
the "release" parameter up so the sample would play out, put it 
on "mono" but still new notes don't stop the previous one from 
playing...  What is "mono" supposed to mean????

This is really lame and may mean I have to go back to using 
samplecell when I want to do complex breakbeat/jungle beats....

This works only with keyboard sounds where the sample triggered second is
the same zone as the first. Totally sucks. I once asked the list the same
question in a different way: Why won't EXS instruments glide? Because of the
same problem you're pointing out. I consider this a major oversight, and I
hope someone out there (hint-hint Emagic) is listening to these criticisms.

All notes should glide into each other in a sample kit (or at least
per-layer so I can do some real-sounding frickin' guitar licks) AND by the
same token, cut each other off if retriggered in monophonic mode. Thanks for
bringing this up. It's another forgotten problem than I'm sure would have
resurfaced in my kit constructions over time, the next time I attempted to
glide the sampler most likely... Good lookin' out!

> From: onelist@...
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> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:31:11 -0000
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [exs] another bug... maybe related
> 
> read previous post for more info:
> 
> ok, so as a workaround, I turned off "one shot" and raised
> the "release" parameter up so the sample would play out, put it
> on "mono" but still new notes don't stop the previous one from
> playing...  What is "mono" supposed to mean????
> 
> This is really lame and may mean I have to go back to using
> samplecell when I want to do complex breakbeat/jungle beats....
> 
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With regard to:

>...... I turned off "one shot" and raised
>the "release" parameter up so the sample would play out, put it
>on "mono" but still new notes don't stop the previous one from
>playing...  What is "mono" supposed to mean????

What "mono" are you referring to? If you mean the mono/stereo choice 
of the Audio instrument itself, then certainly this won't make a 
difference as it refers only to the outputs.

What you need to do is assign the Zones you want to control to a Group.
Do this:
Select your instrument in the EXS24 main window.
Click the EDIT button (next to the instrument name).
In this new Instrument Edit window go to the Group menu and choose <New Group>.
If there are no existing groups, it will be Group #1 (you can re-name it too).
Next to <Voices> (which probably says Max), select 1. (= one voice only)
Now go to each Zone in your patch and in the <Group> field, select Group #1.

You have now assigned all your zones (samples) to Group#1 which is 
only capable of playing 1 voice.
Your samples will now cut off as you wanted.
This is the classic "hi-hat" mode of drum machines - ie a closed 
hi-hat cuts off an open hi-hat and so on.

You can use this principle to create monophonic (not to be confused 
with mono) basses, wind instruments, etc, that only play one note at 
a time.

The whole one shot story you were talking about simply refers to the 
way each sample is played - once or looped or alternated etc.

Hope this helps.

Regards - Colin

ok, I am pretty sure you are misunderstanding...

I am talking about the "mono" button that is on the EXS24 plugin page
that is supposed to mean that the instrument will only play one voice,
or "monophonically"... this has nothing to do with stereo/mono....

Do this experiment for me....

take a drum loop sample, assign it to a zone that is only one key...

make it "one shot" so that it plays till the end.

assign it to a group if that makes you feel better

choose mono for the instrument in the EXS24 plugin page.

now play the one key that your only sample is mapped to.

you should hear the loop play till it is over.

ok, now play the key, and then strike it again before the loop ends... 
What you should hear is the previously sounding loop gets cut off by the
re-trigger, since it is only supposed to take up one voice...

Instead, your new trigger will layer on top of the previous trigger....

If you have to ask why I want to do this musically, then you have
obviously never programmed complex breakbeats and/or jungle beats... or
else you do it the hard way (by mouse)....    I am trying to get it so
that on a single key you can get a loop like this:

b=bass drum
-=hihat
s=snare

b---s-----b-s--- (this is what it looks like freerun)

here is what it should be like with multiple triggers(key presses
indicated by "^":

bbbbb---s-----b-s--bb---s-----bbb-bbb-bbb---s-----b-s---
^^^^^              ^^         ^^^ ^^^ ^^^

and more and more complex beats that can evolve out of it... basically,
getting the key to play like this, allows me to assign it to my kick
drum trigger on my octopad... then I take the portion of the loop
beginning at the first snare drum hit and assign that to a pad that
represents the snare drum... then I can kick out all sorts of complex
beats, treating one key as the kick and the other as the snare, and when
I am not playing, the loop automatically fills in the various hi-hat
hits for me etc... and it leads to some creative stuff happening....

If you can help me solve this... I will be a greatful man.....

Thanks


Colin Shapiro wrote:

> 
> With regard to:
> 
> >...... I turned off "one shot" and raised
> >the "release" parameter up so the sample would play out, put it
> >on "mono" but still new notes don't stop the previous one from
> >playing...  What is "mono" supposed to mean????
> 
> What "mono" are you referring to? If you mean the mono/stereo choice
> of the Audio instrument itself, then certainly this won't make a
> difference as it refers only to the outputs.
> 
> What you need to do is assign the Zones you want to control to a Group.
> Do this:
> Select your instrument in the EXS24 main window.
> Click the EDIT button (next to the instrument name).
> In this new Instrument Edit window go to the Group menu and choose <New Group>.
> If there are no existing groups, it will be Group #1 (you can re-name it too).
> Next to <Voices> (which probably says Max), select 1. (= one voice only)
> Now go to each Zone in your patch and in the <Group> field, select Group #1.
> 
> You have now assigned all your zones (samples) to Group#1 which is
> only capable of playing 1 voice.
> Your samples will now cut off as you wanted.
> This is the classic "hi-hat" mode of drum machines - ie a closed
> hi-hat cuts off an open hi-hat and so on.
> 
> You can use this principle to create monophonic (not to be confused
> with mono) basses, wind instruments, etc, that only play one note at
> a time.
> 
> The whole one shot story you were talking about simply refers to the
> way each sample is played - once or looped or alternated etc.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Regards - Colin

well poke me with a stick and call me silly...

OK, the solution was to set the Group "Voices" parametr to 1

strange that hitting the mono button on the plugin page doesn't 
accomplish this same thing, but hey...

Thanks for the help.....

Now if only you could show me how to achieve crossfading overlapping 
instead of switching velocity zones


--- In exs-users@y..., Colin Shapiro <musos@i...> wrote:
> With regard to:
> 
> >...... I turned off "one shot" and raised
> >the "release" parameter up so the sample would play out, put it
> >on "mono" but still new notes don't stop the previous one from
> >playing...  What is "mono" supposed to mean????
> 
> What "mono" are you referring to? If you mean the mono/stereo 
choice 
> of the Audio instrument itself, then certainly this won't make a 
> difference as it refers only to the outputs.
> 
> What you need to do is assign the Zones you want to control to a 
Group.
> Do this:
> Select your instrument in the EXS24 main window.
> Click the EDIT button (next to the instrument name).
> In this new Instrument Edit window go to the Group menu and choose 
<New Group>.
> If there are no existing groups, it will be Group #1 (you can re-
name it too).
> Next to <Voices> (which probably says Max), select 1. (= one voice 
only)
> Now go to each Zone in your patch and in the <Group> field, select 
Group #1.
> 
> You have now assigned all your zones (samples) to Group#1 which is 
> only capable of playing 1 voice.
> Your samples will now cut off as you wanted.
> This is the classic "hi-hat" mode of drum machines - ie a closed 
> hi-hat cuts off an open hi-hat and so on.
> 
> You can use this principle to create monophonic (not to be confused 
> with mono) basses, wind instruments, etc, that only play one note 
at 
> a time.
> 
> The whole one shot story you were talking about simply refers to 
the 

> way each sample is played - once or looped or alternated etc.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Regards - Colin

>well poke me with a stick and call me silly...

Okay, if you insist......   :-)

>strange that hitting the mono button on the plugin page doesn't
>accomplish this same thing, but hey...

Check out the EXS24 help menu for more on mono/legato etc.
Speaking of which, this guide could use a little updating.

>Now if only you could show me how to achieve crossfading overlapping
>instead of switching velocity zones

Sorry, I think that's one for the wishlist.
I'll second that request. There should be an option for either zones 
or groups: velocity switch/velocity cross-fade. Even my jurassic S550 
sampler has this function.

Unless someone else has the answer?

Regards - Colin

On the Roland series samplers there was a feature, where the save function
could be set, to only save the samples that were used in the project.

Wouldn't that be cool to have in the EXS?

That would be thirding it, cause I've already seconded it. Emagic, please
listen to this request!!! It would really add to the realism of some sound
sets! -Jer

>> Now if only you could show me how to achieve crossfading overlapping
>> instead of switching velocity zones
> 
> Sorry, I think that's one for the wishlist.
> I'll second that request. There should be an option for either zones
> or groups: velocity switch/velocity cross-fade. Even my jurassic S550
> sampler has this function.