EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Well, I guess I should've done more research before buying EXS24mkII.
Anyway, it's too late, maybe someone here can point me in a new
direction.

On my old Ensoniq EPS I was able to do bi-directional sample looping
(loop the sample back & forth), as well as real-time modulation of the
loop point. EXS24mkII does neither of these things. Not necessary
features for things like pianos, but kind of essential for some of the
weird things I like to do. I can't even hear a difference when I try
to modulate the sample start point.  bah!

Is there another software sampler that runs on OS X with Logic (Audio
Units) that will perform these two features? I see Kontakt has
alternate looping modes, but isn't for OS X yet. Reason? Does it
integrate well with Logic? Does either of these support the modulation
of the loop point?

Thanks,
christian

At 06:30 AM 10/29/03 +0000, you wrote:

>On my old Ensoniq EPS I was able to do bi-directional sample looping
>(loop the sample back & forth), as well as real-time modulation of the
>loop point. EXS24mkII does neither of these things. Not necessary
>features for things like pianos, but kind of essential for some of the
>weird things I like to do. I can't even hear a difference when I try
>to modulate the sample start point.  bah!

yeah...

>Is there another software sampler that runs on OS X with Logic (Audio
>Units) that will perform these two features? I see Kontakt has
>alternate looping modes, but isn't for OS X yet. Reason? Does it
>integrate well with Logic? Does either of these support the modulation
>of the loop point?

As you know, modulating loop points and sample points are tricky for a 
sampler - it was difficult on the Ensoniq. Difficult meaning that you were 
almost assured of clicks and unusual artifacts, especially dealing with 
loop point modulation. How would a sampler know in realtime what a good 
loop point would be, and especially if you were changing it? It's almost 
doomed by concept.

Modulating the sample start is the most common and most effective. It 
should be doable in EXS-24, keep trying.

The Ensoniq had a great feature that was stolen from PPG, the Transwave 
theory. It was a loop modulation that was controlled - it would divide the 
data into "windows", and the modulator would step through the windows. 
Essentially wavesequencing (Korg terminology), I forgot the PPG term.

However, you still had to precisely compose the waveform to match the 
windows you would select. A tool called Tranzillion made this easier.

www.xs4all.nl/~avg/tranzilon/info.html



Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

On 10/29/03 5:26 AM, "Garth Hjelte" <garth@...> wrote:

> At 06:30 AM 10/29/03 +0000, you wrote:
> 
>> On my old Ensoniq EPS I was able to do bi-directional sample looping
>> (loop the sample back & forth), as well as real-time modulation of the
>> loop point. EXS24mkII does neither of these things. Not necessary
>> features for things like pianos, but kind of essential for some of the
>> weird things I like to do. I can't even hear a difference when I try
>> to modulate the sample start point.  bah!
> 
> yeah...
> 
>> Is there another software sampler that runs on OS X with Logic (Audio
>> Units) that will perform these two features? I see Kontakt has
>> alternate looping modes, but isn't for OS X yet. Reason? Does it
>> integrate well with Logic? Does either of these support the modulation
>> of the loop point?
> 
Try Reaktor, some of the samplers in Reaktor perform many complex and
interesting effects onto samplers. And it work great in Logic.

Eddie
IMS

Which version of Reaktor and Logic are you talking about?  I have not
successfully ran Reaktor 4.03 inside of logic 6.3.1 yet.  Somehow I
always crash both.

Paul

Try the latest version of Reaktor, 4.04. I have found it to be much, 
much more stable in Logic. BIG difference. ;-)

Ned

On 03-10-29, at 10:05, Paul Stephenson wrote:

> Which version of Reaktor and Logic are you talking about?  I have not
> successfully ran Reaktor 4.03 inside of logic 6.3.1 yet.  Somehow I
> always crash both.
>

http://www.nedfx.com

    Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m


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On 10/29/03 10:05 AM, "Paul Stephenson" <pauls@...> wrote:

> Which version of Reaktor and Logic are you talking about?  I have not
> successfully ran Reaktor 4.03 inside of logic 6.3.1 yet.  Somehow I
> always crash both.

I'm running the latest version of both in the latest version of Jaguar, I
have not been successful in running it in Panther (yet)

What machine are you trying to run it on, Reaktor is extremely processor and
Ram intensive, some of the more complex ensembles crash my machine as well:

DP 533 G4/1.5GB Ram/80 GB HD/ MOTU 2408

Peace 
Eddie

> As you know, modulating loop points and sample points
> are tricky for a  sampler - it was difficult on the
> Ensoniq. Difficult meaning that you were 
> almost assured of clicks and unusual artifacts,
> especially dealing with loop point modulation.

Ah, yes, those artifacts are exactly what I'm looking
for. (Electro/Noise, etc.)
Alas!

As for Reaktor, hm.  I just spent for Logic 6 (and 
EXS, hrmph), so I'm not ready to buy anything else 
at the moment.  Free alternatives:  I have an 
Emu Morpheus, which can create some strange 
branching loops, and what about the free software 
synth called Crystal? 

Thanks for the responses
christian

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "ce25254" <ce25254@y...> wrote:
> > As you know, modulating loop points and sample points
> > are tricky for a  sampler - it was difficult on the
> > Ensoniq. Difficult meaning that you were 
> > almost assured of clicks and unusual artifacts,
> > especially dealing with loop point modulation.
> 
> Ah, yes, those artifacts are exactly what I'm looking
> for. (Electro/Noise, etc.)
> Alas!
> 
> As for Reaktor, hm.  I just spent for Logic 6 (and 
> EXS, hrmph), so I'm not ready to buy anything else 
> at the moment.  Free alternatives:  I have an 
> Emu Morpheus, which can create some strange 
> branching loops, and what about the free software 
> synth called Crystal? 
> 
> Thanks for the responses
> christian

Hi Guys, we all have the same ESX24 wish, a major esx update. I was talking to a 
buddy at NI last week. We only have two wait three more weeks for the Kontakt 
upgrade to OSX + they are putting 80% of the features from intakt in to Kontakt as 
well. check the NI site for info on intakt. as for Reaktor it is handling my loop needs 
at the monent but you cannot proform a lot of basic loop demands. (try "director"  
form programchild). I personaly will always run the ESX24 & Kontakt samplers in the 
same track, for different requirements. 

jamie