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[EXS] Re: I get nothing but noise from my newly made instrument ?

[EXS] Re: I get nothing but noise from my newly made instrument ?

2003-12-28 by Hendrik Jan Veenstra

On a fine day, 28-12-2003, robcatlender wrote:

>I forgot to say: the files are aiff format. Should I have converted 
>them first?
>Rob
>
>--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "robcatlender" <rob.catlender@h...>
>wrote:
>>  I just made my ' first'  instrument with the EXS24.
>>  At least, I tried.
>>  When I created it, I heard wonderful staccato bariton sounds.
>>  I saved it. But now I restarted Logic, the instrument is visible in the
>>  arrange-window, all other EXS24 sounds work fine, but not my bariton.
>>  During the time I should hear the sound, it gives noise instead.
>  > Could somebody give me a hand with this.

Hi Rob,

(Still owe you a private reply to some other mail... I just 
forgot...) Anyway, no, aiff should be fine -- I use wav, aiff and 
sd2, and they all work fine.  If you load the new instrument (which 
produces noise) and then open the Instrument Editor, does the 
instrument still look okay?  Right samples in the right spots?  If 
you click the keyboard in the Instrument Editor, does that produce 
the same noise, or does the instrument now sound okay?

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

Re: I get nothing but noise from my newly made instrument ?

2003-12-28 by robcatlender

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:

>If you load the new instrument (which 
> produces noise) and then open the Instrument Editor, does the 
> instrument still look okay? 

Yes, I don't see anything difference with other editors.

>Right samples in the right spots?  

Yes, I use one long aiff track (that consist staccato note c, c#, d 
etc), of which I made several start and end point for every key.

> If you click the keyboard in the Instrument Editor, does that  
> produce the same noise, or does the instrument now sound okay?

It produces the same noise; a sort of 'white noise' during the time 
of the sample. So, somehow there is a relation between the instrument 
and sample. 
By the way, when I made the instrument, it sounded great. No problem.

I must be overlooking a silly thing...?

[EXS] Re: I get nothing but noise from my newly made instrument ?

2003-12-29 by Hendrik Jan Veenstra

On a fine day, 28-12-2003, robcatlender wrote:

>--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:
>  > If you click the keyboard in the Instrument Editor, does that 
>>  produce the same noise, or does the instrument now sound okay?
>
>It produces the same noise; a sort of 'white noise' during the time
>of the sample. So, somehow there is a relation between the instrument
>and sample.
>By the way, when I made the instrument, it sounded great. No problem.

Okay, next try...  load the instrument in the EXS, click the Edit 
button to open the Instrument Editor, and then 'open' one of the 
zones that produces noise (i.e. click the small triangle to expand 
the zone-box).  Now click on one of the little 'E's (start/endpoint 
and loopsettings both have an 'E' button).  This will load the sample 
in Logic's sample editor.  What happens then?  Is the proper sample 
loaded, or does the sample editor also produce noise?

And: what happens if you take just one bit of audio (e.g. a bounced 
piece you did in Logic) and use that to create a new EXS instrument? 
Noise again, or does this work properly?  Be sure to use a 'new' 
audio file for this -- i.e. not one of the files you used to create 
the problem instrument.

>I must be overlooking a silly thing...?

Maybe, although I have no clue as to what that might be...

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

[EXS] Re: I get nothing but noise from my newly made instrument ?

2003-12-29 by robcatlender

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:
> On a fine day, 28-12-2003, robcatlender wrote:

> Okay, next try...  load the instrument in the EXS, click the Edit 
> button to open the Instrument Editor, and then 'open' one of the 
> zones that produces noise (i.e. click the small triangle to expand 
> the zone-box).  Now click on one of the little 'E's (start/endpoint 
> and loopsettings both have an 'E' button).  This will load the sample 
> in Logic's sample editor.  What happens then?  Is the proper sample 
> loaded, or does the sample editor also produce noise?

I can playback (with the tiny loudspeaker) the particular part of the sample.
No problem. But when I close the sample editor and play my keyboard (or the 
small keyboard on screen) the noise is back again. There is only noise during 
the time the sample should sound. 
 
> And: what happens if you take just one bit of audio (e.g. a bounced 
> piece you did in Logic) and use that to create a new EXS instrument? 
> Noise again, or does this work properly?  

I' ve made a new instrument with a sound of the EXS standard -samples. And 
also other instruments with AIFF files.
I found out that there appears to be a difference between a aiff-file (which gives 
problems all the time) and a aif-file (which works fine). I thought it was the 
same thing. 
Could this be part of the trouble? 
How do you advise to handle this?

HJ, thanks so far!

Rob

[EXS] Re: I get nothing but noise from my newly made instrument ?

2003-12-29 by robcatlender

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:
> On a fine day, 28-12-2003, robcatlender wrote:

> Okay, next try...  load the instrument in the EXS, click the Edit 
> button to open the Instrument Editor, and then 'open' one of the 
> zones that produces noise (i.e. click the small triangle to expand 
> the zone-box).  Now click on one of the little 'E's (start/endpoint 
> and loopsettings both have an 'E' button).  This will load the sample 
> in Logic's sample editor.  What happens then?  Is the proper sample 
> loaded, or does the sample editor also produce noise?

I can playback (with the tiny loudspeaker) the particular part of the sample.
No problem. But when I close the sample editor and play my keyboard (or the 
small keyboard on screen) the noise is back again. There is only noise during 
the time the sample should sound. 
 
> And: what happens if you take just one bit of audio (e.g. a bounced 
> piece you did in Logic) and use that to create a new EXS instrument? 
> Noise again, or does this work properly?  

I' ve made a new instrument with a sound of the EXS standard -samples. And 
also other instruments with AIFF files.
I found out that there appears to be a difference between a aiff-file (which gives 
problems all the time) and a aif-file (which works fine). I thought it was the 
same thing. 
Could this be part of the trouble? 
How do you advise to handle this?

HJ, thanks so far!

Rob

[EXS] Re: I get nothing but noise from my newly made instrument ?

2003-12-29 by Hendrik Jan Veenstra

On a fine day, 29-12-2003, robcatlender wrote:

>--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:
>>  On a fine day, 28-12-2003, robcatlender wrote:
>
>>  Okay, next try...  load the instrument in the EXS, click the Edit
>>  button to open the Instrument Editor, and then 'open' one of the
>>  zones that produces noise (i.e. click the small triangle to expand
>>  the zone-box).  Now click on one of the little 'E's (start/endpoint
>>  and loopsettings both have an 'E' button).  This will load the sample
>>  in Logic's sample editor.  What happens then?  Is the proper sample
>>  loaded, or does the sample editor also produce noise?
>
>I can playback (with the tiny loudspeaker) the particular part of the sample.
>No problem. But when I close the sample editor and play my keyboard (or the
>small keyboard on screen) the noise is back again. There is only noise during
>the time the sample should sound.

And again: this is utterly weird.  If the sample editor plays back 
the sample correctly, so should the EXS...

>  > And: what happens if you take just one bit of audio (e.g. a bounced
>  > piece you did in Logic) and use that to create a new EXS instrument?
>>  Noise again, or does this work properly? 
>
>I' ve made a new instrument with a sound of the EXS standard -samples. And
>also other instruments with AIFF files.
>I found out that there appears to be a difference between a 
>aiff-file (which gives problems all the time) and a aif-file (which 
>works fine). I thought it was the same thing.

It *is* the same thing.  The 'aif' or 'aiff' is just a file extension 
(like in DOS) and has nothing to do with the actual format of the 
sample.

>Could this be part of the trouble?
>How do you advise to handle this?

It might be something like a format-problem...  Maybe the Sample 
Editor recognizes filetypes by their actual content while the EXS 
trusts the file extension, which in some cases might be wrong.  This 
would be completely stupid, but I can't think of anything else...
I wonder what happens if you would do this: take some of the 
noise-causing samples and use some 3rd party sample editor/converter 
to convert the files to aiff format (yes, I know they're already 
supposed to be aiff's, but maybe there's something wrong with the 
format -- header info or whatever).  Just try with one or two: open 
in some conversion program, check to see if they sound okay, and then 
save as aiff with another name.  Now create a new EXS instrument 
using those samples.

If that works okay, there's a format-problem somehow. You should then 
simply batch-convert all offending samples and save them under the 
same (old) name.  Throw out (or stuff or zip, for safety's sake) the 
old samples and the noise-instrument should now automatically find 
the new samples and should sound right.
If conversion does _not_ work... well, I might have thought of 
something else by the time you've tried this :-).

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

Re: I get nothing but noise from my newly made instrument ?

2003-12-30 by robcatlender

And again Hendrik Jan, thanks for your time.

> I wonder what happens if you would do this: take some of the 
> noise-causing samples and use some 3rd party sample editor/converter 
> to convert the files to aiff format (yes, I know they're already 
> supposed to be aiff's, but maybe there's something wrong with the 
> format -- header info or whatever).  

Do you have a suggestion for any program in particular?

Rob

[EXS] Re: I get nothing but noise from my newly made instrument ?

2003-12-30 by Hendrik Jan Veenstra

On a fine day, 30-12-2003, robcatlender wrote:

>And again Hendrik Jan, thanks for your time.
>
>>  I wonder what happens if you would do this: take some of the
>>  noise-causing samples and use some 3rd party sample editor/converter
>>  to convert the files to aiff format (yes, I know they're already
>>  supposed to be aiff's, but maybe there's something wrong with the
>>  format -- header info or whatever). 
>
>Do you have a suggestion for any program in particular?

I suggest we take this to private mail.  We both being Dutch, it's 
easier to deal with this in out native tongue, I guess :-).

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

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