EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hi all,

I have 39 EXS instances some containing some pretty large instruments 
in a song I'm working on.  I kept getting audio overloads so I froze 
several tracks...   The audio overloads turned into disk i/o overloads. 
  Will Logic become angry with me if I move the location of its freeze 
files?  Logic puts them in the project folder which is on the main hard 
drive on my Laptop.  I'm having numerous disk i/o problems with this 
arrangement.  My external drive is faster so I was hoping I could move 
them and possibly get better performance?

Any other ideas? I've already lowered the big depth from 32 to 24.  
That helped....but I pushed it to the wall again pretty quickly.

Thanks in advance,
julie

On Jul 4, 2004, at 4:16 PM, Julie Larson wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have 39 EXS instances some containing some pretty large instruments
> in a song I'm working on.  I kept getting audio overloads so I froze
> several tracks...   The audio overloads turned into disk i/o overloads.
>   Will Logic become angry with me if I move the location of its freeze
> files?  Logic puts them in the project folder which is on the main hard
> drive on my Laptop.  I'm having numerous disk i/o problems with this
> arrangement.  My external drive is faster so I was hoping I could move
> them and possibly get better performance?
>
> Any other ideas? I've already lowered the big depth from 32 to 24.
> That helped....but I pushed it to the wall again pretty quickly.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> julie
>

If youve got an external drive, why are you recording to the laptop in 
the first place??
Copy the whole project folder to your external disk.
Then the next time you open it, Logic will ask where the files are.
Point it to em and all should be well.

Make sure you also double check the Record Path in the song too and 
update that if needed as well.

---
Chris

http://www,descentrecords.com

On a fine day, 04-07-2004, Mothra wrote:

>On Jul 4, 2004, at 4:16 PM, Julie Larson wrote:
>
>  > I have 39 EXS instances some containing some pretty large instruments
>>  in a song I'm working on.  I kept getting audio overloads so I froze
>>  several tracks...   The audio overloads turned into disk i/o overloads.
>>    Will Logic become angry with me if I move the location of its freeze
>>  files?  Logic puts them in the project folder which is on the main hard
>>  drive on my Laptop.  I'm having numerous disk i/o problems with this
>>  arrangement.  My external drive is faster so I was hoping I could move
>>  them and possibly get better performance?
>>
>>  Any other ideas? I've already lowered the big depth from 32 to 24.
>  > That helped....but I pushed it to the wall again pretty quickly.
>
>If youve got an external drive, why are you recording to the laptop in
>the first place??
>Copy the whole project folder to your external disk.
>Then the next time you open it, Logic will ask where the files are.
>Point it to em and all should be well.
>
>Make sure you also double check the Record Path in the song too and
>update that if needed as well.

And if moving the entire project is not an option, you could try to 
move the freeze folder to the external drive and put an alias to it 
in the original freeze-folder location.  Not sure if that works, but 
it should imo.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

>  And if moving the entire project is not an option, you could try to
>  move the freeze folder to the external drive and put an alias to it
>  in the original freeze-folder location.  Not sure if that works, but
>  it should imo.

Thanks for the input.   I'm attempting to move the project now.  I've 
always just let Logic put things where it wanted, not having time to 
pay too much attention to admin stuff....but I guess that tactic is 
starting to bite.  Is there some place to get info about the most 
efficient way to organize things?


thanks
julie

On a fine day, 05-07-2004, Julie Larson wrote:

>Thanks for the input.   I'm attempting to move the project now.  I've
>always just let Logic put things where it wanted, not having time to
>pay too much attention to admin stuff....but I guess that tactic is
>starting to bite.  Is there some place to get info about the most
>efficient way to organize things?

"The" most efficient way is probably a matter of taste, but for what 
it's worth, I usually organize things like this:
- Top level folder, named after the song.
- In that folder are 2 folders: Sampler Instruments and Audio.  The 
former holds all EXS instrument files used in that song (even if 
they're unmodified 'originals' -- you never know if you want to 
slightly edit the originals one day, or have a hd-crash wiping out 
all originals, or whatever), and the latter holds all recorded audio. 
If you record many takes on many instruments, you could put 
subfolders in the Audio folder with the proper instruments names. 
The advantage of having just the one Audio folder is that you have to 
set the record path only once when you start the 1st recording.  With 
subfolders, you have to reset the record path each time you start 
recording a new instrument.
- The song file is saved at the top level, next to the Sampler 
Instruments and Audio folders.
- If you want you can add a 3rd folder which will contain the plug-in 
effects settings you used and want to save for future import-use.

About the record path: make sure your Autoload has no Record Path 
set.  Go to Audio Configuration (yes, of all places...) and there's a 
menu option there somewhere to clear the Record Path.  Do so, and 
save the song as Autoload.  This way, any new project you start will 
prompt you for a record path when you start the 1st recording.  This 
will save you from accidentally recording into whichever folder was 
set in the Autoload (always the wrong one).

Hope this gets you going in the right direction.  Not organizing 
things indeed starts to bite you one day -- with the zillion snippets 
of audio, sampler instruments that might change overnight, etc.  This 
indeed calls for some planning ahead.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

On Jul 5, 2004, at 1:04 PM, Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote:
>
> About the record path: make sure your Autoload has no Record Path
> set.  Go to Audio Configuration (yes, of all places...) and there's a
> menu option there somewhere to clear the Record Path.  Do so, and
> save the song as Autoload.  This way, any new project you start will
> prompt you for a record path when you start the 1st recording.  This
> will save you from accidentally recording into whichever folder was
> set in the Autoload (always the wrong one).

This is the "legit" way of doing it. But I stumbled on to another way 
by accident. Set your record path to a specific folder/pathway. Then 
delete that folder from your HD. Then you will similarly be prompted to 
set the record path when you record enable a track.

--------
Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions



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On Jul 5, 2004, at 10:04 AM, Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote:

> "The" most efficient way is probably a matter of taste, but for what
> it's worth, I usually organize things like this:
> - Top level folder, named after the song.
> - In that folder are 2 folders: Sampler Instruments and Audio.  The
> former holds all EXS instrument files used in that song (even if
> they're unmodified 'originals' -- you never know if you want to

Hendrik youve given me some new ideas as well haha.
Keeping my EXS samples with the song is a great idea.
Ive got them all on a second drive on my home machine, using aliases in 
the logic folder.
Ive also got them on my firewire drive I take back and forth to the 
studio to work on my Powerbook, which means occasionally I have to go 
repoint things to the samples and whatnot....

Youre keeping both the samples AND the instrument file in that one 
folder no?

---
Chris

http://www,descentrecords.com

On a fine day, 05-07-2004, Mothra wrote:

>Keeping my EXS samples with the song is a great idea.
>[...]
>Youre keeping both the samples AND the instrument file in that one
>folder no?

No, I'm just storing the instrument files in the song folder.  The 
samples themselves are on a dedicated drive and are shared by all 
songs.  Keeping the samples with the song might not even be a bad 
idea (although it might be somewhat overkill as well), as then you're 
_really_ sure you've got everything you need in one location.
Drawback: the instrument files will be associated with the location 
where you keep your 'regular' samples, and so the (copy of the) 
instrument you use in a song has to be manually "re-associated" with 
the samples you copy to your song folder -- which might be a drag 
with a 100-sample multi-layer instrument (obvious solution: don't 
copy the samples but move them, i.e. copy & delete original, load 
song-specific instrument, let the EXS find the samples, and then copy 
the copies back to the original location so that the _original_ 
instrument will still find the proper samples as well).  Another 
drawback: you end up with lots of duplicate samples on your drives. 
That not only takes up a lot of space but can potentially confuse the 
EXS as well.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

Hi everyone, Moving the freeze file folder to a
diffrent location turn the files to real audio files
which can be used in other apps. 

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On a fine day, 06-07-2004, touter harvey wrote:

>Hi everyone, Moving the freeze file folder to a
>diffrent location turn the files to real audio files
>which can be used in other apps.

... if those apps can handle 32-bit files or if you set the Logic 
freeze-preferences to generate 24-bit files to start with.  And "turn 
into real audio files" is a tad misleading: moving the files doesn't 
change them.  It just prevents Logic from deleting them when you 
unfreeze a track.  But you're right in principle: using freeze you 
can "bounce" 20 individual tracks simultaneously if you want.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

>> I've
>> always just let Logic put things where it wanted, not having time to
>> pay too much attention to admin stuff....

No offense intended, but that's usually a very bad idea for any 
application, not just Logic. Only you can organize your work in a way 
that makes sense to you, the way you work and the work you do, be it 
audio, design, writing, etc. If you let each app just save things where 
it wants to you'll have your work files spread out across your 
harddrive in all manner of locations; I strongly recommend keeping all 
your document files on a separate volume from your system, and 
organized in a way that makes sense to you.





>> but I guess that tactic is
>> starting to bite.  Is there some place to get info about the most
>> efficient way to organize things?
>
> "The" most efficient way is probably a matter of taste

Ain't that the truth!!! FWIW I have an empty set of folders that I use 
to start any Logic project (boy I wish Logic automatically created this 
a la Pro Tools every time you started a new song), organized like this:

SONG NAME FOLDER
	Audio Files	(for, well, audio files - I set the audio record path for 
each new song to here)
	Freeze Files	(since I named it properly Logic will use this folder 
when/if I freeze - I created it ahead of time simply to give it a 
custom icon as I have with the other four subfolders - yeah, I'm anal 
like that)
	Mixes	(when I get to the mixing stage I save all my different versions 
of the mix here - as Logic files, not bounced 2-track AIFFs. If I want 
to go back to any particular one they are all here, named as 
descriptively as possible)
	Masters	(this is where all the 2-track master AIFFs go when I'm at the 
point of bouncing down)

Additionally Logic will create the autobackup folder when you save. 
(Unlike creating the Freeze folder ahead of time I cannot do this for 
the backup folder, since it is the name of the song with .bak appended 
to the end.)



> - In that folder are 2 folders: Sampler Instruments and Audio.

Do you manually resave each EXS instrument into the local song folder, 
or is there an automatic way to do this? (I have not used Project 
Manager at all yet, so maybe there...?) I currently leave my samples 
and instruments in a central location for all songs to use, but I like 
the idea of having the EXS instruments themselves in the song folder...


Brian
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