EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hello gang,

I received the EXS24 version of The Old Lady Piano today, and I've got 
good and bad feelings. Good because it looks like a killer piano, bad 
because I can't hear it! It seems that even for the 16 bit version, 2 
Gb of ram is not enough?!!! I was under the impression that 2Gb was 
enough for the lower bit version. Also, I tried loading the down pedal 
version only, and I got a message telling that EXS can't find the first 
sample, A0. Is anyone successfully using The Old Lady in Logic, and if 
so, how much ram do you have, and where have you placed the 2 folders 
named, "OLD LADY final compressed.wve", and "old lady release.wve"?*

  My setup: Dual 2Ghz, 2Gb of RAM, OS 10.3.5, Logic 7.

  Thanks


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Hi Ned,

Ned Bouhalassa wrote:

> It seems that even for the 16 bit version, 2
> Gb of ram is not enough?!!!

Hmmm... Even with disk streaming enabled?!! Sounds strange to me...

Best,

Andy

Ned,

Why not ask Michiel Post at this thread:

http://northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26687

Regards,
-Mark

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Ned Bouhalassa <ned@n...> wrote:
> Hello gang,
> 
> I received the EXS24 version of The Old Lady Piano today, and I've got 
> good and bad feelings. Good because it looks like a killer piano, bad 
> because I can't hear it! It seems that even for the 16 bit version, 2 
> Gb of ram is not enough?!!! I was under the impression that 2Gb was 
> enough for the lower bit version. Also, I tried loading the down pedal 
> version only, and I got a message telling that EXS can't find the first 
> sample, A0. Is anyone successfully using The Old Lady in Logic, and if 
> so, how much ram do you have, and where have you placed the 2 folders 
> named, "OLD LADY final compressed.wve", and "old lady release.wve"?*

These are the folders with the samples, so it shouldn't matter where
you put them.

I would contact Michiel, I had problems a couple of weeks ago at first
and he sent me a new DVD, though I would have thought you should have
got the latest.

It works great now for me, and I have uploaded an environment to get
the pedal noise working with the sustain pedal if you want it.

Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

Hi all,

I'm working on an orchestral piece.  28 exs instances so far.  I'm in 
about 3 minutes into the piece and my song file has become haunted.  
When I open it I get a message that tells me the song is damaged.  It 
offers me 2 options repair and encapsulate.  Either of these choices 
produces a dialog that says minor problem in data (3)..... repair or 
exit.  Hit repair and the song opens.... things seem fine.... but they 
are not.

Note lengths in several sequences are extended to be maybe a hundred 
measures in length....fix them...they come right back....or I can get 
another dialog that tells me there is another minor problem in data 
(3).....repair or cancel.  DON'T HIT CANCEL.....the sequence goes away. 
  It becomes an empty sequence called trash.  Hit repair and logic 
thinks for a minute and does seemingly nothing.  One of my EXS 
instances keeps loosing it's samples.

There have been other problems I copied a sequence from one track to 
another and was told that I had done some kind of circular something or 
other and to contact Emagic and tell them how.  Notes in a sequence can 
just show up at a different pitch

Anyway....the song is full of goblins.  I need this song....  Is there 
someway to salvage this thing?  All help would be much appreciated.  
Thanks in advance.

julie

Thanks for the info, Pete. BTW, how much RAM do you have?

Ned


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I already did, thanks. But he's Europe, and it's getting a bit late 
there, so I thought I'd get a quicker answer on the list.

Ned

On Nov 30, 2004, at 16:03, Mark Falchook wrote:

>
>  Ned,
>
>  Why not ask Michiel Post at this thread:
>
> http://northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26687
>
>  Regards,
>  -Mark
>



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Julie Larson wrote:

> Hi all,

G'day Julie

> I'm working on an orchestral piece.

Your specialty, yeah? ;-)

> Anyway....the song is full of goblins.  I need this song....  Is there 
> someway to salvage this thing?

Over the years I've had the occasional seemingly unfixable weird problem 
in Logic. There may've been better ways to fix them, but I've had 
success by starting with a fresh autoload song, manually re-creating 
time signatures, key signatures, environment adjustments, etc. then 
copying and pasting each sequence from the damaged song to the new one.


Good luck!   Bill

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Ned Bouhalassa <ned@n...> wrote:
> Thanks for the info, Pete. BTW, how much RAM do you have?

2 GIG

Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Bill Canty <Bill@C...> wrote:
> Julie Larson wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> 
> G'day Julie
> 
> > I'm working on an orchestral piece.
> 
> Your specialty, yeah? ;-)
> 
> > Anyway....the song is full of goblins.  I need this song....  Is
there 
> > someway to salvage this thing?
> 
> Over the years I've had the occasional seemingly unfixable weird
problem 
> in Logic. There may've been better ways to fix them, but I've had 
> success by starting with a fresh autoload song, manually re-creating 
> time signatures, key signatures, environment adjustments, etc. then 
> copying and pasting each sequence from the damaged song to the new one.
> 
> 
> Good luck!   Bill

What Bill said plus:

A couple of years ago I had the luxury of a PC and a Mac, I could
sometimes fix a spooked song by importing from PC to mac then back
again or vice versa. It's worth trying if you have access to a friend
with the other platform, or if you are on Logic 6, try exporting down
to 4.8 then back again. Otherwise it's the old copy and paste the
tracks to a fresh song I think

Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

Pete Thomas wrote:
> A couple of years ago I had the luxury of a PC and a Mac, I could
> sometimes fix a spooked song by importing from PC to mac then back
> again or vice versa. It's worth trying if you have access to a friend
> with the other platform, or if you are on Logic 6, try exporting down
> to 4.8 then back again. Otherwise it's the old copy and paste the
> tracks to a fresh song I think

In case you're exporting to 4.8 format and plan to load things on a PC, make
sure to deactivate all instrument and effect plugins. Only then there's
chances the song will not make Logic crash. And there's still chances it
will crash anyways. 4.8 export since LogicPro is bloated.

- Sascha

Julie,

Which version of Logic are you using? The latest version of Logic makes 
backups as you go along. You may be able to open a backup file with no 
problems.

Ned


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Ned Bouhalassa wrote:

>
> Julie,
>
> Which version of Logic are you using? The latest version of Logic makes
> backups as you go along. You may be able to open a backup file with no
> problems.
>

Thanks Ned...I'm in 6.4.2.  All previously saved versions are corrupt ; 
(

julie

Julie Larson wrote:
> Thanks Ned...I'm in 6.4.2.  All previously saved versions are corrupt ;
> (

May I STRONGLY recommend you save each and every part in that song as a MIDI
file?
Seriously, better do that before you might not be able to load it anymore at
all.

Funny thing is, up to this day I NEVER had a corrupted song file at all. But
then, I'm still mainly on Windows and even back when both platforms were
running the same versions these things seemed to happen quite more often on
Macs. I remember "fixing" some song files for Mac users back then.

-  Sascha

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Ned Bouhalassa <ned@n...> wrote:
> Hello gang,
> 
> I received the EXS24 version of The Old Lady Piano today, and I've got 
> good and bad feelings. Good because it looks like a killer piano, bad 
> because I can't hear it! It seems that even for the 16 bit version, 2 
> Gb of ram is not enough?!!! I was under the impression that 2Gb was 
> enough for the lower bit version...> 
>   My setup: Dual 2Ghz, 2Gb of RAM, OS 10.3.5, Logic 7.
> 

Ok, I'm a bit confused/concerned.  I was getting ready to plunk down 
my cash for both of the group buys, but needing 2 Gig's to play?  
That's a limitation.  I've got a fairly fast PC (2.8Ghz, 1 Gig Ram, 
separate audio drives (SATA))...

Is anyone successfully running this in EXS with 1 Gig or do I need 
to fork over for another Gig (not that I mind, speed is everything 
in this game).  I just haven't needed to spend that money on ram 
yet, even with a fairly complex system, this would make me do it ;-*(

Reid aka Bodie of Make Some Noize

After reading Michiel Post's directions on Northern Sounds, I used 
EXSManager to clean up my EXS directory and can now play The Old Lady 
piano: WHOA! What a beautiful piano. All I can say is, if you're 
hesitating about jumping on the Post Piano group buy... don't! You 
won't be disappointed.

Ned

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Thanks for all the help everyone,

BTW....I've NEVER had a corrupted song before either.  But this is a 
doosey.  I tried to export to 4.8.  Logic 4 won't open under classic 
and when I opened the 4.8 export in Logic 6 pro....it was corrupt.  I 
exported the song as a midi file....not all the sequences exported and 
many had notes stretches for hundreds of measures.  So...Ok...I spent 
the day copying sequences to a new song.  They all copied.  Things were 
looking up.  I loaded all my EXS instruments and my plugins so I could 
play the piece.  I played through the piece and it started doing the 
same things.  the first time through!.  I opened sequences and notes 
stretch for hundreds of measures.  Notes just randomly move to other 
pitches....well....it's not random.  They move to the same pitches 
every time.  Fix it....it happens again.  I opened one sequence and it 
had bunches of random midi messages in it....program changes, sys-ex, 
meta events.

Does anyone have any other ideas?    Thank you all so much for your 
help so far.

julie

www.julielarson.net

On a fine day, 01-12-2004, Julie Larson wrote:

>[...] So...Ok...I spent the day copying sequences to a new song. 
>They all copied.  Things were looking up. [...] Fix it....it happens 
>again.  I opened one sequence and it had bunches of random midi 
>messages in it....program changes, sys-ex, meta events.

It might be that one of the sequences is corrupted, dragging down the 
entire song with it.  In order to eliminate this possibility, or 
pinpoint the offending sequence, you would have to do something like:
- Copy all sequences from a track into a new song, save the new song
- Repeat for all tracks (i.e. creating a one-track song for every 
original track)
- Now test all saved one-track songs to see if any displays the 
offending behaviour.  If so, you've found the problem-track.  If this 
track contains multiple sequences, repeat the above procedure, now 
saving a new song for each _sequence_ instead of the entire track. 
Test all single-sequence songs to see which sequence is the offending 
one.

If this exposes a problem-sequence, then remove this sequence from 
your original song, save with a new name, and see if the problem has 
gone away.  If there's still a problem, it might be the offending 
sequence has somehow already affected the song-structure: remove the 
offending sequence, copy all other stuff to a fresh song, save, and 
test again.

If multiple single-track songs exhibit the same problem: repeat 
single-sequence procedure.  If multiple sequences are the culprit... 
curse loudly, mailbomb Apple, and recreate all those sequences.

Yes, this is a tedious job, but, in a sense, standard troubleshooting 
practice. 	In short it amount to narrowing down the problem step 
by step until you find the (hopefully) single object that's messing 
things up.  With many objects, this might take a while, but it 
probably beats starting the song all over again from scratch.

Oh, in the 1st step above: you might want to start by building a new 
song template that already has all the EXS's and effects in place. 
Then simply copy/paste one old-song track into this new song, etc. 
That way you also test the context of the tracks and not just the 
sequences/regions themselves.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

On Dec 1, 2004, at 8:39 PM, Julie Larson wrote:

> I opened one sequence and it
>  had bunches of random midi messages in it....program changes, sys-ex,
>  meta events.
>
>  Does anyone have any other ideas?   

Hi Julie,

Is it possible something might be wrong with your midi controller? It 
sounds like it is generating all of these random events on it's own. 
Maybe a battery is going low or dying on it. Or maybe a mod wheel or 
pitch bend wheel is broken or somehow generating erroneous midi events. 
I have a colleague who has trouble with an MR keyboard. It keeps 
sending pitch bend information along with note ons. I had to rig up an 
environment for it to filter out the PB events to straighten things 
out.

It might be worth investigating this. Maybe open a fresh blank song and 
record a few bars of midi from your controller and look at the results. 
If nothing else, it's an easy painless way to rule it out.


--------
Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions



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Anyone got an answer on this at all?

/r

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Reid" <reidlowe@h...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Ned Bouhalassa <ned@n...> wrote:
> > Hello gang,
> > 
> > I received the EXS24 version of The Old Lady Piano today, and 
I've got 
> > good and bad feelings. Good because it looks like a killer 
piano, bad 
> > because I can't hear it! It seems that even for the 16 bit 
version, 2 
> > Gb of ram is not enough?!!! I was under the impression that 2Gb 
was 
> > enough for the lower bit version...> 
> >   My setup: Dual 2Ghz, 2Gb of RAM, OS 10.3.5, Logic 7.
> > 
> 
> Ok, I'm a bit confused/concerned.  I was getting ready to plunk 
down 
> my cash for both of the group buys, but needing 2 Gig's to play?  
> That's a limitation.  I've got a fairly fast PC (2.8Ghz, 1 Gig 
Ram, 
> separate audio drives (SATA))...
> 
> Is anyone successfully running this in EXS with 1 Gig or do I need 
> to fork over for another Gig (not that I mind, speed is everything 
> in this game).  I just haven't needed to spend that money on ram 
> yet, even with a fairly complex system, this would make me do it ;-
*(
> 
> Reid aka Bodie of Make Some Noize

If I understand your problem correctly the problem occurs at one specific point in your song. At a certain point in your song some kind of generator of midi data becomes active and starts to add events to your song in different tracks. Is that right? To be sure it's not a bug in Logic 6 you could send a cleaned up version (that you hopefully backed up before the haunting reoccured)  to someone running Logic 7.

I remember the occuring of circular structures when I accidentally hit the wrong key for a key command. Maybe your undo history can tell you more. I had to revert to backup and restart the computer to get rid of it.

Another thing I could think of is an environment thing. Like some output-input-rewire kind of thing though I don't know if that can affect sequences when you're not recording. But you could check your environment for any unwanted objects.

In addition to Hendrik Jan's solution I would first try to save time by playing the tracks solo before getting into saving numerous songs.

Either way, try to play the song on another computer and another Logic version to be sure it's not your computer or software that's bugged.

If you don't know anyone with Logic running you can send the song to me.

Amir

At 05:39 PM 12/01/2004, you wrote:
>Does anyone have any other ideas?

What a royal pain. Did you save a copy of the re-constructed song before 
adding all the EXS and other instruments? I would think that if the 
corruption is actually within one of the sequences, the bizarre behavior 
would show up even in a song with no audio instruments loaded. If not, I 
would suspect one of the EXS instruments as the culprit. One more 
mind-numbingly boring test might be to try playback after loading each 
instrument into the song one at a time. Or if you're using any third party 
AI's or plugins, they could be causing the corruption. There has been a 
rash of this lately, even with normally stable stuff from 
Spectrasonics---although many of those latest issues were Logic 7 related.


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Thank you all so much for your suggestions.

I recreated the song copying each sequence into the new song.  Still 
problems.  When looking at the contents of all the sequences in the 
list window, there were about 10 sequences that had all kinds of random 
midi messages in them.  Never figured out where they came from, but I 
copied the pertinent information from each of the sick sequences into a 
new sequence and deleted the sick one.  My piece has been stable for 
about  24 hours.  This is good.  I've exported the "clean" song file as 
a midi sequence in the case that things get messed up again.

Thanks again for all the help.  I hopeful that I'm out of the woods on 
this one.

julie

www.julielarson.net