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Is there a way to use a kickdrum (live or recorded) to trigger ESX24 to 
replace or layer with other sounds. I'm using Logic 6.4.3 on a 1 GHz G4 
laptop with 1GB ram and running MacOS 10.3.8

I often use an Alesis DM5 to do this. The DM5 has 12 trigger inputs on 
the back which will generate a MIDI note whenever a signal arrives. I 
use this live and in the studio for drum replacement (you have to move 
the MIDI notes a little earlier to take account of the DM5's triggering 
delay which is pretty short). I guess you're looking for a solution 
within Logic though in which case you might try Audio to MIDI Groove?

G

On 16 Feb 2005, at 13:00, Aron Thule Studios wrote:

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>  Is there a way to use a kickdrum (live or recorded) to trigger ESX24 
> to
>  replace or layer with other sounds. I'm using Logic 6.4.3 on a 1 GHz 
> G4
>  laptop with 1GB ram and running MacOS 10.3.8
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On 16. Feb 2005, at 14:00, Aron Thule Studios wrote:

> Is there a way to use a kickdrum (live or recorded) to trigger ESX24 to
> replace or layer with other sounds. I'm using Logic 6.4.3 on a 1 GHz G4
> laptop with 1GB ram and running MacOS 10.3.8

No idea how to do that with EXS but you can check apTrigga2:
http://www.apulsoft.ch/aptrigga/

"Triggers mono & stereo samples by analyzing audio signals."


Peter Ostry

As Gordon allready said, "Audio to MIDI Groove Template" is what you want.
Unfortunately this is only working with recorded material. Not sure whether there's proper plugins (such as the one Peter
recommended) doing a good live job. From my experience they don't. I'd rather use some piezo trigger and *whatever* hardware device
(there's cheap ones, even my old GI-10 MIDI guitar converter has a monophonic audio input).

- Sascha

Aron Thule Studios wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to use a kickdrum (live or recorded) to trigger ESX24 to 
> replace or layer with other sounds. I'm using Logic 6.4.3 on a 1 GHz G4 
> laptop with 1GB ram and running MacOS 10.3.8
> 

Phatmatik Pro makes very nice MIDIfiles from audio.

Live you would need to use a trigger box, I used to have an AKAI thing 
back in the old days but live could be tricky due to a very slight delay.


-- 
Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

On 17/02/2005, at 9:14 AM, Pete Thomas wrote:

>
>  Phatmatik Pro makes very nice MIDIfiles from audio.
>
>

Pete,

What MIDI information does it extract from the audio?

Thanks
Andris

Andris Sice wrote:
> What MIDI information does it extract from the audio?

Timing information.

- Sascha

On 18/02/2005, at 2:16 PM, Sascha Franck wrote:

> Andris Sice wrote:
>  > What MIDI information does it extract from the audio?
>
>  Timing information.

Only?

I was a long term Studio Vision Pro user . One of its features was 
Audio to MIDI conversion. The resulting MIDI notes would preserve many 
subtleties of the audio,  improving the quality of the MIDI. Does 
anyone know if something similar is possible in Logic or something 
else?

Andris

Andris Sice wrote:
> On 17/02/2005, at 9:14 AM, Pete Thomas wrote:
> 
> 
>> Phatmatik Pro makes very nice MIDIfiles from audio.
>>
>>
> 
> 
> Pete,
> 
> What MIDI information does it extract from the audio?
> 
> Thanks
> Andris

It will slice up a drum or percussion file into beats in a very useable 
way and then export a MIDI file which you can use as a loop. It won't 
identify pitch or individual drums for you, but you would just extract 
or edit bits in the midifile.

I used to use this alot before Apple Loops.

I think there is a free demo available.

-- 
Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

On 18/02/2005, at 3:40 PM, Andris Sice wrote:

>
> On 18/02/2005, at 2:16 PM, Sascha Franck wrote:
>
>> Andris Sice wrote:
>>> What MIDI information does it extract from the audio?
>>
>>  Timing information.
>
> Only?
>
> I was a long term Studio Vision Pro user . One of its features was
> Audio to MIDI conversion. The resulting MIDI notes would preserve many
> subtleties of the audio,  improving the quality of the MIDI. Does
> anyone know if something similar is possible in Logic or something
> else?

Surprised it's not been mentioned but for drum replacing, Logic does an 
excellent job and has done for years. "Audio To Midi Groove Template" 
it's called and you'll find it in the sample editor. It will do whole 
tracks of drum recording if you like. Particularly useful if you want 
to replace a snare in a live drum recording.

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Paul Najar
Jaminajar Music Production
www.jaminajar.com

Pete Thomas wrote:
> Andris Sice wrote:
> 
>>On 17/02/2005, at 9:14 AM, Pete Thomas wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Phatmatik Pro makes very nice MIDIfiles from audio.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Pete,
>>
>>What MIDI information does it extract from the audio?
>>
>>Thanks
>>Andris
> 
> 
> It will slice up a drum or percussion file into beats in a very useable 
> way and then export a MIDI file which you can use as a loop. It won't 
> identify pitch or individual drums for you, but you would just extract 
> or edit bits in the midifile.
> 
> I used to use this alot before Apple Loops.
> 
> I think there is a free demo available.
> 

I forgot to say, one of it's main jobs is to play back the actual beats 
that it sliced, but as it does this from a midi track, you can obviously 
replace or layer up specific beats with any midi or VI sound you want.

-- 
Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

Paul Najar wrote:
> Surprised it's not been mentioned but for drum replacing, Logic does an
> excellent job and has done for years. "Audio To Midi Groove Template"
> it's called and you'll find it in the sample editor. It will do whole
> tracks of drum recording if you like. Particularly useful if you want
> to replace a snare in a live drum recording.

I think I allready mentioned this in an earlier reply - but you're completely right, Logic does a GREAT job on this (especially
since you can do it for complete tracks as well - rather than for a limited amount of 127 notes, which is what all the VST/AU
slicers are doing).

One of the features I'm missing the most when working with Cubase (they just left that out in SX, had been there in earlier
versions), which I have to do quite sometimes these days.

- Sascha

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Pete Thomas <logic@p...> wrote:

> 
> [pHATmatic Pro]
>It will slice up a drum or percussion file into beats in a very 
>useable 
> way and then export a MIDI file which you can use as a loop. It 
>won't 
> identify pitch or individual drums for you, but you would just 
>extract 
> or edit bits in the midifile.
> 
> I used to use this alot before Apple Loops.
> 

hi, I just now upgraded from LE6->LE7 so this is my first experience 
w/Apple Loops. But your saying A'LOOPS will work a lot like 
pHATmatic pro? will it slice and extract the MIDI timing info from a 
loop as well?

and staying a bit on group topic, I remember when LE7 first came out 
there was some confusion on whether the Instrument Editor feature 
was included or not - some said no while I thought somewhere in some 
group (osxaudio, kvraudio, or here) someone said yes, but it was 
moved. Can someone confirm one way or the other? (if it's not, then 
I'll just keep LE6 installed for this purpose).

thanks,

-russel-

russelmahon wrote:
> 
> --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Pete Thomas <logic@p...> wrote:
> 
> 
>>[pHATmatic Pro]
>>It will slice up a drum or percussion file into beats in a very 
>>useable 
>>way and then export a MIDI file which you can use as a loop. It 
>>won't 
>>identify pitch or individual drums for you, but you would just 
>>extract 
>>or edit bits in the midifile.
>>
>>I used to use this alot before Apple Loops.
>>
> 
> 
> hi, I just now upgraded from LE6->LE7 so this is my first experience 
> w/Apple Loops. But your saying A'LOOPS will work a lot like 
> pHATmatic pro? will it slice and extract the MIDI timing info from a 
> loop as well?

No, I didn't actually say that Apple Loops works like Phatmatik. I said 
that I used to use Phatmatik a lot before Apple Loops.

I used it because it was a way of getting an audiofile to play at 
different tempos. It slices loops whereas as Apple Loops timestretches 
them, but it got the same results for my purposes.

I also used to use Acid Pro and Ableton Live for timestretching.

-- 
Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

On 19/02/2005, at 7:33 AM, Pete Thomas wrote:

>
>  I also used to use Acid Pro and Ableton Live for timestretching.

Pete,

Would you say that Logic 7 does as good a timestretching job as Acid 
and Ableton?

Andris

got ya on that a'loops/pHatmatik pro thing.
now anyone on that inst editor in LE7?
thanks!
-r-

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Pete Thomas <logic@p...> wrote:
> russelmahon wrote:
> > 
> > --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Pete Thomas <logic@p...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>[pHATmatic Pro]
> >>It will slice up a drum or percussion file into beats in a very 
> >>useable 
> >>way and then export a MIDI file which you can use as a loop. It 
> >>won't 
> >>identify pitch or individual drums for you, but you would just 
> >>extract 
> >>or edit bits in the midifile.
> >>
> >>I used to use this alot before Apple Loops.
> >>
> > 
> > 
> > hi, I just now upgraded from LE6->LE7 so this is my first 
experience 
> > w/Apple Loops. But your saying A'LOOPS will work a lot like 
> > pHATmatic pro? will it slice and extract the MIDI timing info 
from a 
> > loop as well?
> 
> No, I didn't actually say that Apple Loops works like Phatmatik. I 
said 
> that I used to use Phatmatik a lot before Apple Loops.
> 
> I used it because it was a way of getting an audiofile to play at 
> different tempos. It slices loops whereas as Apple Loops 
timestretches 

> them, but it got the same results for my purposes.
> 
> I also used to use Acid Pro and Ableton Live for timestretching.
> 
> -- 
> Pete Thomas
> www.petethomas.co.uk
> - Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

Andris Sice wrote:
> On 19/02/2005, at 7:33 AM, Pete Thomas wrote:
> 
> 
>> I also used to use Acid Pro and Ableton Live for timestretching.
> 
> 
> Pete,
> 
> Would you say that Logic 7 does as good a timestretching job as Acid 
> and Ableton?

Seems to, but I may be going deaf in my old age!

I've sold Acid and would like to sell Ableton. Even if it's not quite as 
good, the creative advantages from the workflow, ie not needing to 
import or rewire, makes me write better tunes anyway, and that's what 
matters to my client(s)



-- 
Pete Thomas
www.petethomas.co.uk
- Free Logic Icons, Environments and EXS Instruments

On 19/02/2005, at 1:03 AM, Sascha Franck wrote:

>
> Paul Najar wrote:
>> Surprised it's not been mentioned but for drum replacing, Logic does 
>> an
>> excellent job and has done for years. "Audio To Midi Groove Template"
>> it's called and you'll find it in the sample editor. It will do whole
>> tracks of drum recording if you like. Particularly useful if you want
>> to replace a snare in a live drum recording.
>
> I think I allready mentioned this in an earlier reply - but you're 
> completely right, Logic does a GREAT job on this (especially
> since you can do it for complete tracks as well - rather than for a 
> limited amount of 127 notes, which is what all the VST/AU
> slicers are doing).
>
> One of the features I'm missing the most when working with Cubase 
> (they just left that out in SX, had been there in earlier
> versions), which I have to do quite sometimes these days.

Apologies if I missed your post on this Sascha. I may have come in part 
way through the thread...



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Paul Najar
Jaminajar Music Production
www.jaminajar.com