EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Dear all,

We are getting up to speed with what is happening in the Logic arena
after having been mostly Protools for years.
Logic only up to PT 5....

Just to get a grasp...when we are running an EXS 24 on a DAE object
it is still using the CPU, right...only on a TDM time slot??
So it's a kind of HTDM plugin?
So what is Emagics strategy with this on all the other ES stuff?
Will all the other stuff appear as HTDM (if that is what it is?)
Anyone know?

The Direct TDM and it's 8 stereo buses is cool but I would really like
to get an idea of what is beyond that and how much time one should
spend with the limitation of the Direct connect stuff.

thanx
Janne A.


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> Hi Janne
> 
>> > Just to get a grasp...when we are running an EXS 24 on a DAE object
>> > it is still using the CPU, right...only on a TDM time slot??
>> > So it's a kind of HTDM plugin?
> 
Correct ­ it works like that, but it¹s just for Logic at this moment.

> 
>> > So what is Emagics strategy with this on all the other ES stuff?
>> > Will all the other stuff appear as HTDM (if that is what it is?)
> * Anyone know?
> 
This just in from Stefan Gretscher;

>> Epic itself is a bundle of 14 plugins (eg. Enveloper,
>> Bitcrusher, Phaser, ModDelay,...) running on the DSPs, but then there's
>> also HTDM versions of the emagic instruments (ES2, EVP,...) coming up.
>> Everything is fully ProTools/Performer/Spark/Peak/... compatible, it's
>> no longer restricted to be used within Logic only.

> 
>> > The Direct TDM and it's 8 stereo buses is cool but I would really like
>> > to get an idea of what is beyond that and how much time one should
>> > spend with the limitation of the Direct connect stuff.

That¹s 8 mono busses, actually ­ 4 stereo pairs. It¹s incredibly powerful,
IMO. My setup is usually just one pair for outputting the main tracks and
instruments to TDM, 2 pairs to act as reverb sends to the TDM reverbs, thus
unburdening the native side from it¹s most cpu intensive task, and one pair
for utility, incase I wanted to use a TDM only plug-in on a particular group
of tracks. 

Malcolm

p.s. I¹ve also got Reason happening via ReWire. It¹s all getting kind of out
of hand in a most wonderful way...
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Malcolm Payne Music
NYC
http://www.malcolmpayne.com



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> Just to get a grasp...when we are running an EXS 24 on a DAE object
> it is still using the CPU, right...only on a TDM time slot??

I thought it was dependent on the ProTools hardware, not the CPU. Otherwise,
what would be the point of the added expense of investing in ProTools
hardware? Forgive my ignorance in this matter, but I'm very interested in
the answer and implications of this question. -Jer

>> Just to get a grasp...when we are running an EXS 24 on a DAE object
>> it is still using the CPU, right...only on a TDM time slot??
> 
> I thought it was dependent on the ProTools hardware, not the CPU. Otherwise,
> what would be the point of the added expense of investing in ProTools
> hardware? Forgive my ignorance in this matter, but I'm very interested in
> the answer and implications of this question. -Jer

is there an EXS24 TDM version or are you using that with ESB. I thought the
EXS on a TDM system could only be used with ESB which indeed depends on
native power. that's the cool thing about logic with ESB and PT is that you
can use all the normal PT plugs with the hardware DSP and logic's plugs with
the CPU... (since you can't use RTAS in logic it's only fair...)

Teddy
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teddybut@... writes:
>is there an EXS24 TDM version or are you using that with ESB. I thought
>the
>EXS on a TDM system could only be used with ESB which indeed depends on
>native power.

I have both.
You can instanciate (?) an EXS sampler on either a TDM or DTDM 
object. Latency is probably better on TDM?
That is at least how we use it and it works pretty good.
I posted this q on another group and got a reply which concluded
that the "hi-end" native stuff is all going towards HTDM.
Meaning it's using native power but is also inserted on a tdm
timeslot which means you are not limited to the 8 DC buses.
...learning as I go along...old hat sequender guy as I am...;-)
been sequesning since the early Roland days but this is my first
serious stab at the native stuff...Logic 5 is the key to being interested
in this stuff again...the automation rocks!

best
jtm

> teddybut@... writes:
>> is there an EXS24 TDM version or are you using that with ESB. I thought
>> the
>> EXS on a TDM system could only be used with ESB which indeed depends on
>> native power.

jtm wrote
> I have both.
> You can instanciate (?) an EXS sampler on either a TDM or DTDM
> object. Latency is probably better on TDM?
> That is at least how we use it and it works pretty good.
> I posted this q on another group and got a reply which concluded
> that the "hi-end" native stuff is all going towards HTDM.
> Meaning it's using native power but is also inserted on a tdm
> timeslot which means you are not limited to the 8 DC buses.

wow, that's pretty cool...

your spelling of instanciate is perfect by the way!

Teddy

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Hi there,

<
<I have both.
<You can instanciate (?) an EXS sampler on either a TDM or DTDM 
<object. Latency is probably better on TDM?

I'd be curious to know exactly what the latency is with this? Is it 1 sample?
I am using a Hammerfall DSP with 3ms latency (so at 24bit/48khz about 144 samples) and it feels fantastic.
I have a drummer with a complex midi kit, playing in odd sig's at high velocity without any probs.

<That is at least how we use it and it works pretty good.

JR

richmondj@... writes:
>I'd be curious to know exactly what the latency is with this? Is it 1
>sample?

Emagic claims "sample accurate".
I am not a loop master by any means but this setup with regards
to timing is beyond anything else I have tried so far.

best
jtm

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Hi there, 

<richmondj@... writes:
<>I'd be curious to know exactly what the latency is with this? Is it 1
<>sample?
<
<Emagic claims "sample accurate".
<I am not a loop master by any means but this setup with regards
<to timing is beyond anything else I have tried so far.

That doesnt mean that it is recorded without latency though.
Alesis Adat edit is sample accurate but has 20ms of latency.
All sample accurate means is that the audio is laid down (but not necessarily monitored) with sample accuracy.

PT Mix, I have been told, has latency of 1 sample across all input channels. Just wondering of the virtual instruments instantiated using Mix hardware has the same latency.

James