EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hi, It's possible to load 16 different sounds and to assign a 
different midi channel, I interest to use EXS as the Kontakt virtual 
sampler.....

Thanks

Matteo

EXS does not support multiple midi channels per instance. I think that may
be what you were asking. -Jer

> From: "miosamplitude" <m.fagone@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 19:58:25 -0000
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [exs] EXS in multitimbre mode
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> Hi, It's possible to load 16 different sounds and to assign a
> different midi channel, I interest to use EXS as the Kontakt virtual
> sampler.....
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Thoughts from the mind of <HELP@...>, 04-11-2002:

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>>  From: "miosamplitude" <m.fagone@...>
>>  Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>>  Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 19:58:25 -0000
>>  To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
>>  Subject: [exs] EXS in multitimbre mode
>>
>>  Hi, It's possible to load 16 different sounds and to assign a
>>  different midi channel, I interest to use EXS as the Kontakt virtual
>  > sampler.....
>
>EXS does not support multiple midi channels per instance. I think that may
>be what you were asking. -Jer

... but that's not a problem at all, since you can have as many EXS 
instances as you want (well, enough at least).  So no reason not to 
buy the EXS.

(Seemed like a sensible addition...)

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote:
 > ... but that's not a problem at all, since you can have as many EXS
> instances as you want (well, enough at least).  So no reason not to
> buy the EXS.

Err well, yes... but multitimbrality along with the ability to save such a
multitimbral patch is just nice to have.
You could for example have your complete presets for things such as
"Standard Pop", "Rock" or "Orchestral", all containing a complete set of
instruments. I'd defenitely like such a thing (and it's really great in
Kontakt/HALion).

Btw, Logic in general is pretty much behind regarding all that... in SX you
can for example save a complete mixer scenario (including all used virtual
instruments), a bunch of channels or just a single channel strip.
This is such an incredible time saviour if you are either a) working on a
bunch of multitracked songs recorded in the same session (try to copy all
your mixer settings incl. FX from one song to the other in Logic - time for
a nervous breakdown) or b) often working with the same instrument layouts.

Regards,
Sascha

----- Original Message -----

From: Sascha Franck <saschafranck@...>
> Btw, Logic in general is pretty much behind regarding all that... in SX
you
> can for example save a complete mixer scenario (including all used virtual
> instruments), a bunch of channels or just a single channel strip.
> This is such an incredible time saviour if you are either a) working on a
> bunch of multitracked songs recorded in the same session (try to copy all
> your mixer settings incl. FX from one song to the other in Logic - time
for
> a nervous breakdown) or b) often working with the same instrument layouts.

I guess if this ever appears it will be in version 6 on the osx only. :(

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sascha Franck <saschafranck@...>
> > Btw, Logic in general is pretty much behind regarding all that... in SX
> you
> > can for example save a complete mixer scenario (including all used virtual
> > instruments), a bunch of channels or just a single channel strip.
> > This is such an incredible time saviour if you are either a) working on a
> > bunch of multitracked songs recorded in the same session (try to copy all
> > your mixer settings incl. FX from one song to the other in Logic - time
> for
> > a nervous breakdown) or b) often working with the same instrument layouts.
>
> I guess if this ever appears it will be in version 6 on the osx only. :(

Isn't the VSTi variant (ie the EXSP24) multi-timbral? There was a thread
regarding this on the LUG and I remember that someone confirmed that whilst the
native EXS is not multi-timbral the EXSP in fact is ... seems very strange to
me. I know the exsp has merely playback facilities but maybe both can work
together.

Tony Perretta

Tony Perretta wrote:
> Isn't the VSTi variant (ie the EXSP24) multi-timbral? There was a thread
> regarding this on the LUG and I remember that someone confirmed that
whilst the
> native EXS is not multi-timbral the EXSP in fact is ... seems very strange
to
> me. I know the exsp has merely playback facilities but maybe both can work
> together.

Yes, it is. But it's somewhat limited (from what I remember to 4x
multitimbrality, *maybe* 8x) and it also seems to be discontinued which
means further limitations. For example, the internal SR conversion is set to
"normal" which might result in some artifacts in case it has to do a lot of
processing (pitchshifting that is). And of course, due to it being
discontinued it won't offer individual outs either (for the multitimbral
parts it does, of course, but not for individual zones/groups).
Also, I'd find it somewhat senseless to buy it in addition (I doubt you'll
get it for free as a registered EXS user...).

Regards,
Sascha

--- In exs-users@y..., "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@s...> wrote:
> Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote:

> 
>"you can for example save a complete mixer scenario (including all > > used virtual instruments), a bunch of channels or just a single channel strip"

> Regards,
> Sascha

I brought this up as a feature request in the LUG some time ago but 
much to my chagrin I didn't get much feedback from users. It seems like 
such a practical feature. I often create cool patches, involving an 
audio instrument and some plug-ins, that I want to save for use in 
another track.

-Matt Miller

Thoughts from the mind of Sascha Franck, 05-11-2002:

>Hendrik Jan Veenstra wrote:
>>  ... but that's not a problem at all, since you can have as many EXS
>>  instances as you want (well, enough at least).  So no reason not to
>>  buy the EXS.
>
>Err well, yes... but multitimbrality along with the ability to save such a
>multitimbral patch is just nice to have.

Yes, it's nice.  But I just wanted to make clear that the EXS not 
being multitimbral is not a reason per se to not buy the EXS.

Uhm... is that enough 'not's in one sentence? :-)

>You could for example have your complete presets for things such as
>"Standard Pop", "Rock" or "Orchestral", all containing a complete set of
>instruments. I'd defenitely like such a thing (and it's really great in
>Kontakt/HALion).

Depends on the kind of music you make probably.  Personally I 
wouldn't have the need for such a feature.  And if I did, I simply 
would set up a song with 16 EXS instances, all preloaded with the 
proper instruments, and save that as a template.

>Btw, Logic in general is pretty much behind regarding all that... in SX you
>can for example save a complete mixer scenario (including all used virtual
>instruments), a bunch of channels or just a single channel strip.

Now _that's_ something for which there is no workaround...  Now we're 
on the subject: I'd like to have mixer-snapshots.  Click on button-1, 
and the mixer is all set up one way, click on button-2, and all the 
faders move to another position, etc.
That way you could easily compare different settings (is that bass 
too loud or not?), or have snapshots for solo-ing specific instrument 
groups.  Etc.  I'm not sure, and don't want to sound like an 
armchair-programmer, but I can't imagine  this being that difficult. 
After all Logic already _knows_ all the positions of all the buttons 
and sliders, right? (as witnessed by the fact that starting 
automation on a new parameter will create a node at the proper value 
at the beginning of the track).

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

Hey Logic gods: Head this recommendation... I'm dying for this feature. I
can't tell you how many times I've needed to copy everything in a single
channel strip. This is a very important feature to me, and knowing that SX
does it makes me very jealous. >:o  -Jer

>> Btw, Logic in general is pretty much behind regarding all that... in SX you
>> can for example save a complete mixer scenario (including all used virtual
>> instruments), a bunch of channels or just a single channel strip.

I swear I have the worst spelling/grammar when I post here. I meant to say
"Heed this recommendation..."

PS: Who ever wrote this, you are a godsend:

in the audio configuration window, with the hand tool you can hold down
option (mac) and copy plug-ins to other tracks and their values remain
intact- DR

> From: <HELP@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 15:50:12 -0500
> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [exs] [OT] Duplicating everything in a channelstrip within Logic
> 
> Hey Logic gods: Head this recommendation... I'm dying for this feature. I
> can't tell you how many times I've needed to copy everything in a single
> channel strip. This is a very important feature to me, and knowing that SX
> does it makes me very jealous. >:o  -Jer

When you edit your samples in EXS you can assign them to either one 
of several different stereo channels or mono channels (I don't have 
my EXS Or manual with me at the moment so I forget exactly how many 
of each.)  These separate channels are apart from the main Stereo 1/2 
pair and are routed to the new Aux Audio Devices in Logic.  It's 
mainly meant for separate processing of drum sounds, i.e., you can 
have a compressor on this sound in this Aux channel, you can have an 
overdrive on this other sound in this other Aux channel, etc. but 
there are many other uses/ideas you could probably come up with for 
separate processing.

--- In exs-users@y..., Jason Greenberg <jason@j...> wrote:
> I'm pretty new to the EXS, so can someone please let me know what 
the multi
> channel EXS or multitimbral mode would be used for???
> 
> Is this for saving processing kind of like using a single reverb 
for several

> tracks????  I'm trying to make some sense of this but can't seem to.
> 
> Please help me figure this out,
> Jason

I'm pretty new to the EXS, so can someone please let me know what the multi
channel EXS or multitimbral mode would be used for???

Is this for saving processing kind of like using a single reverb for several
tracks????  I'm trying to make some sense of this but can't seem to.

Please help me figure this out,
Jason

From: Jason Greenberg <jason@...>:

> I'm pretty new to the EXS, so can someone please let me know what the
> multi channel EXS or multitimbral mode would be used for???

> Is this for saving processing kind of like using a single reverb for
> several tracks? I'm trying to make some sense of this but can't seem to.

> Please help me figure this out, Jason

Here's one example (my pet peeve, anyway):

- You have a drumkit in EXS, kick, snare toms, hat, ride, crashes, etc.
- You need to have different filter & envelope settings (not just offsets)
  for each type of drum and cymbal, to make them respond realisically to
  playing (from the keyboard or from a MIDI drumkit)
- You need to be able to play/record the whole kit together in realtime

With EXS as it is, you can't do this..

- If you want to play the whole kit together, you can't have different
  settings per drum (the offsets just don't cut it, at least not for me)
- If you put each drum in a separate instantiation of EXS, then you lose
  the ability to play/record the kit all together in realtime

If Emagic adds these capabilities to the rumored upcoming update to EXS,
that'll make a big difference, especially if thay also improve the
Envelopes, Filters, and Modulation Routings along the lines of the more
sophisticated options in ES2 (or the competition's offerings in Kontakt)..
:-)

Cheers,
Joe Albano
ROOFTOP PRODUCTIONS
NYC, NY

From: roman pirie <romanp@...

Subject: Re: [OT] Duplicating everything in a channelstrip within Logic

>Unless the channel you want to copy to is below the bottom of the
>screen. Let me explain further.
[snip]
>I tryed copying to a channel at the bottom of
>the screen to get half way then scroll down and continue moving the
>plugs but the second move was not possible to get within the sight of
>the return 1 channel. Now there's a tricky one for you Logic gurus. And
>it seems such a straight forward ask of Logics capabilities.

yeah, it's a drag. sorry. but you can go to "view" in the audio
configuration window and choose "used components" instead of "all
components". that should shorten the list somewhat - and facilitate
dragging between distant objects.

phil strong