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Another competitor for the EXS-24 (?)

MOTU intros MachFive universal sampler plugin

MOTU last week announced MachFive, a $400 universal sampler plug-in 
for Macintosh and Windows. MachFive supports all major plug-in 
formats on both platforms (MAS, VST, RTAS, HTDM, Audio Units and DXi) 
and imports all major audio file, sample and soundbank formats and 
also offers many advanced sampling features, including support for 
sample rates up to 192kHz and the ability to import and playback 
multi-channel samples in surround. MachFive is expected to ship in 
the first quarter of 2003 for all plug-in formats on Mac OS 9 and OS 
X, with a Windows version soon to follow. Disk streaming (the ability 
to stream very large samples from hard disk) will be offered as a 
free update soon thereafter.

At 12:29p +0000 2003.01.23, ewald_kegel <ekegel@...> wrote:
>Another competitor for the EXS-24 (?)
>
>MOTU intros MachFive universal sampler plugin

Interesting bit: It's powered by "the award-winning UVI-Engine" 
(never heard of it myself), and "MachFive includes UVI-Xtract, an 
import utility... UVI-Extract even allows users to insert sample 
content CD-ROMs from Roland, Emu, Akai and other formats into their 
computer -- discs that otherwise cannot be mounted on their computer 
desktop -- and then convert programs (or even the entire disc) in 
just a few clicks."

Does Bernard Chavonnet deserve congratulations for scoring some contract work?

I'll always use EXS24, but I need an OS X replacement for NI Battery; 
something which can load up lots of little samples quickly, and let 
me tweak each separately. I'm hoping MachFive or the new Akai soft 
sampler could fit that bill.

Glenn

So the war begins... the battle of 3 armies: EXS24 (Mac Only), Kontakt, and
MachFive. Everyone who's used Kontakt that I know who also use Logic are
switching to Kontakt once NI supports Audio Units. Don't know if I care, but
it's intriguing to say the least. -Jer

> Another competitor for the EXS-24 (?)
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> MOTU intros MachFive universal sampler plugin
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> MOTU last week announced MachFive, a $400 universal sampler plug-in
> for Macintosh and Windows. MachFive supports all major plug-in
> formats on both platforms (MAS, VST, RTAS, HTDM, Audio Units and DXi)
> and imports all major audio file, sample and soundbank formats and
> also offers many advanced sampling features, including support for
> sample rates up to 192kHz and the ability to import and playback
> multi-channel samples in surround. MachFive is expected to ship in
> the first quarter of 2003 for all plug-in formats on Mac OS 9 and OS
> X, with a Windows version soon to follow. Disk streaming (the ability
> to stream very large samples from hard disk) will be offered as a
> free update soon thereafter.
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At first glance, I see a lot of advantages over the EXS; especially 
in the fiel of sample editing, sample management and format support.

That would be nice.

> I'll always use EXS24, but I need an OS X replacement for NI Battery;
> something which can load up lots of little samples quickly, and let
> me tweak each separately. I'm hoping MachFive or the new Akai soft
> sampler could fit that bill.

Glenn Gutierrez wrote:
> I'll always use EXS24, but I need an OS X replacement for NI Battery;
> something which can load up lots of little samples quickly, and let
> me tweak each separately. I'm hoping MachFive or the new Akai soft
> sampler could fit that bill.

From rumours I heard we could eventually hope that FXpansion is gonna port
their DR-008 to AU. So far this is one of my major concerns when thinking
about a possible platform switch in the future (IMO it's just 1000x better
than Battery).

Sascha

> So the war begins... the battle of 3 armies: EXS24 (Mac Only), Kontakt, and
> MachFive. Everyone who's used Kontakt that I know who also use Logic are
> switching to Kontakt once NI supports Audio Units. Don't know if I care, but
> it's intriguing to say the least. -Jer

Though, if EXS mkII and Logic6 have taught us anything, it's don't count 
  eMagic out.  They've implemented major changes to both these products 
(is as much as they can be considered seperate productes) at a 
phenomanal pace.  If Kontakt or Mach5 are ahead of the game now, I 
personally would bet that EXS will catch-up-if-not-surpass them within a 
year.

Of course, none of these tools are directly equatable.  Each has its own 
way of going about things, so there's still a certain amount of truth to 
the old "right tool for the right job" addage. I just wouldn't go 
switching away from EXS because of a feature it doesn't have.  I think 
we're going to see it evolve pretty quickly.

Cheers,
-josh emmons

> Interesting bit: It's powered by "the award-winning UVI-Engine" 
> (never heard of it myself),

The UVI engine is the sampler technology used by the Plugsound modules:
http://www.plugsound.com
it is also used by other plugins like atmosphere:
http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/atmosphere.html
and Stylus:
http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/stylus.html

Bernard

I dunno. An example of Emagic's laziness? I'm pretty pissed about how
useless Waveburner has become. Logic is a better program than Waveburner
now. That depresses me a great deal, having spent money on the program. It's
absurd they didn't make an update with the AdLimiter at least. Grrrrrrrr.
They are playing catch-up in Logic and ignoring everything else. -Jer

> personally would bet that EXS will catch-up-if-not-surpass them within a
> year.

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>So the war begins... the battle of 3 armies: EXS24 (Mac Only), Kontakt, and
>MachFive. Everyone who's used Kontakt that I know who also use Logic are
>switching to Kontakt once NI supports Audio Units. Don't know if I care, but
>it's intriguing to say the least. -Jer

And Halion, and Giga, and Unity Session, and the new Akai one that 
can send programs directly into an Akai hardware sampler to bring to 
your gig. And OEM "embedded" players that come with the library, such 
as Spectrasonics, the new East West Quantum Leap Orchestral library, 
and possibly SampleTank (that one I'm not sure about) are using.

The war's only heating up!
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, fax -5434, cell 818/601-4874

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "ewald_kegel <ekegel@c...>" 
<ekegel@c...> wrote:
> At first glance, I see a lot of advantages over the EXS; especially 
> in the fiel of sample editing, sample management and format support.

No mention of Soundfont support on their site. That alone would make 
it something less that 'universal' in my book

S

...for mastering, I mean.

> Logic is a better program than Waveburner
> now.

>I'll always use EXS24, but I need an OS X replacement for NI Battery;


Has NI stated that they won't be porting Battery to AU?

Well, specifically I mean plugin samplers that can be hosted in Logic.
Halion will probably never be ported to Logic in OSX. Unity is not a
competitor in my book (no offense to you). But the Akai one, if I recall
correctly, sounded really interesting. "Embedded" players are great, but I
wouldn't compare them to open sample formats. In other words, at no time
would one of these keep me from investing in a sampler where I can build my
own libraries. For Max OSX, the competition is fierce but relatively small
in number.

> And Halion, and Giga, and Unity Session, and the new Akai one that
> can send programs directly into an Akai hardware sampler to bring to
> your gig. And OEM "embedded" players that come with the library, such
> as Spectrasonics, the new East West Quantum Leap Orchestral library,
> and possibly SampleTank (that one I'm not sure about) are using.

> At first glance, I see a lot of advantages over the EXS; especially
> in the fiel of sample editing, sample management and format support.
>

I also think the EXS isn't top notch. Also never understood why Emagic 
is so greedy with their free samples. Steinberg and NI give much more 
free samples ready to be used and of good quality, where the free 
samples you get with your EXS are ok, nothing more.


Remco

I think they all out suck! I don't use any of them. Abysmal sums it up for
me.

> free samples ready to be used and of good quality, where the free
> samples you get with your EXS are ok, nothing more.

MOTU SUCKS!!!  Period!

They have the worst customer support to top it all off.  At least I don't have that
problem with Emagic.  I switched from Digital Performer to Logic because of this issue,
and I would never waste my money on MOTU again in life.

Just a personal opinion by the way.

Groove On!

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Just to clarify this....Mach Five is not created by MOTU, but by the 
UVI team in France. MOTU is the brand and the distributor...but 
the technology is coming from Paris. They are the same guys 
that we work very closely with for creating our Spectrasonics 
instruments.

The Mach Five will be quite stunning indeed! It has many cool 
new things that go beyond Kontact, EXSmkII, etc. The built-in 
universal library conversion alone makes it pretty exciting.

-EP



--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, J-Mac! 
<fingers4u2_98@y...> wrote:
> MOTU SUCKS!!!  Period!
> 
> They have the worst customer support to top it all off.  At least I 
don't have that
> problem with Emagic.  I switched from Digital Performer to 
Logic because of this issue,
> and I would never waste my money on MOTU again in life.
> 
> Just a personal opinion by the way.
> 
> Groove On!
> 
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Hmmm... Sounds appetizing. -Jer

---- EP wrote:

Just to clarify this....Mach Five is not created by MOTU, but by the
UVI team in France. MOTU is the brand and the distributor...but
the technology is coming from Paris. They are the same guys
that we work very closely with for creating our Spectrasonics
instruments.

The Mach Five will be quite stunning indeed! It has many cool
new things that go beyond Kontact, EXSmkII, etc. The built-in
universal library conversion alone makes it pretty exciting.

On 1/23/03 21:05, "J-Mac!" <fingers4u2_98@...> wrote:

> MOTU SUCKS!!!  Period!
> 
> They have the worst customer support to top it all off.  At least I don't have
> that
> problem with Emagic.  I switched from Digital Performer to Logic because of
> this issue,
> and I would never waste my money on MOTU again in life.
> 
> Just a personal opinion by the way.
> 
> Groove On!
> 
> =====
> 
What an idea ! they better work on the 324/ 424 OS X drivers

What is the advantage to the EXS24

Best regards
 
Cyril Blanc
France

The box said "Use Windows 95 or better" so I got a Macintosh




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On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 03:05  PM, J-Mac! wrote:

> MOTU SUCKS!!!  Period!
>
> They have the worst customer support to top it all off.

I must say that because of the way MOTU treated me vis a vis customer 
support after being a long time Performer user, I jumped ship and found 
Emagic. So, in that sense, I must thank them for the pathetic way they 
treated me as a customer. I would have not have found Emagic so soon 
otherwise.
--------
Edmund Eagan
www.twelfthroot.com

At 9:08p -0500 2003.01.23, Edmund Eagan wrote:
>I must say that because of the way MOTU treated me vis a vis customer
>support after being a long time Performer user, I jumped ship and found
>Emagic. So, in that sense, I must thank them for the pathetic way they
>treated me as a customer. I would have not have found Emagic so soon
>otherwise.

Then I guess I'll need to send a "shout out" to a Steinberg rep for 
being exceedingly rude to me at a trade show, and for making Cubase 
crash so often.

And a real thanks to Bernard for the heritage of the UVI engine, even 
though he skipped the rest of the message. ;)

G

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, <HELP@M...> wrote:
> So the war begins... the battle of 3 armies: EXS24 
> (Mac Only), Kontakt, and MachFive. 

... also the new Akai VZ8 softsampler.
  http://www.akaipro.com/jp/global/vz8/vz8fs.html

Since it's supposed to be a "soft clone" of the existing Z8 hardware 
sampler, they might be able to bring this to market very quickly (the 
user interface is probably lifted straight off their Z8 editing app). 

[Erk]