EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Chris wrote: can i use one instance of exs24 on 16 midi channels.

The EXS isn´t multichannel, someone much have confused it with being able to send to multible outs. 
Henrik Krogh
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Chris Brown wrote:
> Forgive my ignorance folks but could someone explain to me how this
> works? can i use one instance of exs24 on 16 midi channels? if so how?

Simple answer: That won't work.
The EXS isn't multitimbral and therefor doesn't need (or supply) any MIDI
channel dependent information. You need to open a new instance for each
track.

Regards,
Sascha

However, supposedly the EXS24SP is multi-timbral.   I wasn't aware of it, an Emagic rep at Namm told me.   That sort of sucks that the cheaper version is multi but the full version is not.  I'm sure that will change in a future update.....

Thanks for your reply, but i'm still unclear as to why exs24 appears 
under a multi instrument sub menu in the mixer channnel? the choices 
are ... mono, stereo, or multichannel and exs24 appears both under the 
stereo and multi channel menu's there must be a reason for this, no?
I'm using Logic 5.5 under Mac OS 9.2.2 btw.


     thanks folks     CB

> Simple answer: That won't work.
> The EXS isn't multitimbral and therefor doesn't need (or supply) any MIDI
> channel dependent information. You need to open a new instance for each
> track.
> 
> Regards,
> Sascha

> Thanks for your reply, but i'm still unclear as to why exs24 appears 
> under a multi instrument sub menu in the mixer channnel? the choices 
> are ... mono, stereo, or multichannel and exs24 appears both 
> under the 
> stereo and multi channel menu's there must be a reason for 
> this, no? I'm using Logic 5.5 under Mac OS 9.2.2 btw.

The EXS24 can only load one program per instance. The sounds in this
program can be routed to multiple outputs (for instance if you load a
drum program you could have the kick going to one channel, the snare to
another etc.). You cannot load many programs and have these triggered by
different MIDI channels. Hence the EXS24 is multichannel, but not
multitimbral.

--
helge

On a fine day, 04-02-2003, appleblossom1 <djbrownie@...> wrote:

>Thanks for your reply, but i'm still unclear as to why exs24 appears
>under a multi instrument sub menu in the mixer channnel? the choices
>are ... mono, stereo, or multichannel and exs24 appears both under the
>stereo and multi channel menu's there must be a reason for this, no?
>I'm using Logic 5.5 under Mac OS 9.2.2 btw.

The multichannel instruments are instruments that can use multiple 
outputs -- which has nothing to do with MIDI channels per se.  I.e. 
your EXS instrument can have e.g. 2 different layers (groups), both 
of which are sent to different outputs for different processing.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com

Hee hee, i'm still confused, sorry, i'm showing my clueless side here, ok
let me ask you this if i can figure out how to assign the kick to midi
channel one and the snare to midi channnel 2 ( which i can't figure right
now so if you have the time ; ) ) can i then somehow put different effects
on each part? say reverb on the snare and compression only on the kick? or
am i totally way off here, and if so , can anyone give me an example of how
this multichannelness would be useful.
    cheers    chris

Helge Gudmundsen wrote:

> > Thanks for your reply, but i'm still unclear as to why exs24 appears
> > under a multi instrument sub menu in the mixer channnel? the choices
> > are ... mono, stereo, or multichannel and exs24 appears both
> > under the
> > stereo and multi channel menu's there must be a reason for
> > this, no? I'm using Logic 5.5 under Mac OS 9.2.2 btw.
>

Geez, Chris. Listen: YOU CAN'T DO THIS. To do what you want, you need to use
2 EXS24s. That's the only way. There are NO MIDI channels to speak of. The
multi out refers to AUDIO not MIDI. NO MIDI. NO MIDI. NO MIDI. Think of the
EXS24 as an outboard piece of gear with only ONE midi channel, if you must.
Only you have a bunch of these single-channel instruments. -Jer

> Hee hee, i'm still confused, sorry, i'm showing my clueless side here, ok
> let me ask you this if i can figure out how to assign the kick to midi
> channel one and the snare to midi channnel 2 ( which i can't figure right
> now so if you have the time ; ) ) can i then somehow put different effects
> on each part? say reverb on the snare and compression only on the kick? or
> am i totally way off here, and if so , can anyone give me an example of how
> this multichannelness would be useful.
>   cheers    chris

djbrownie wrote:

> ok let me ask you this if i can figure out how to 
> assign the kick to midi channel one and the snare to midi 
> channnel 2 ( which i can't figure right now so if you have 
> the time ; ) ) can i then somehow put different effects on 
> each part? say reverb on the snare and compression only on 
> the kick?

Forget different MIDI channels, the multichannel concept refers to the
audio samples used by EXS24. Here's how you use the multichannel
functionality:

Put the EXS24 on a track (using the MultiChannel version)
Load up your desired program in EXS24.
Open the instrument editor.
Select a zone and put a checkmark in the box labelled EXS output. You
will now se a field next to the checkbox where the default value is
"Main". Here you can select other outputs (e.g. 3/4, 5/6 etc.)

Zones or groups that are routed to "Main" will be sent to the instrument
channel you have selected for the EXS24. If you select other output
channels, these are routed to Aux-objects (which were new in Logic 5.2).
If you have a drum program for the EXS24, you can send the kick drum to
one Aux giving it one kind of treatment, snare drum to another Aux
giving it other effects etc. The input source of an Aux channel is
selected with the input assignment pop-up menu. 

The EXS24 has 5 stereo output pairs and 6 individual mono outputs. The
first 10 EXS24 outputs are always configured as stereo pairs. Outputs 11
through 16 are mono outputs. 

Hope this helps.

--
helge

But you CAN do this with only one use of the EXS24 with no MIDI channel (or
one if such a visualization is helpful to you). You control the outputs in
the EXS24 Edit screen. You can send a single zone or an entire group to a
different output. I can't spell this out in detail as it would take too
long. You'll have to play with it. Suffice it to say that you will have to
create some AUX channel strips in the environment in order to be able to
send out something other than the main. Given your limited experience with
Logic, I suggest you use one EXS24 for your kick and another for your snare,
each with their own insert effect or send to bus effects. Good luck. -Jer

>> now so if you have the time ; ) ) can i then somehow put different effects
>> on each part? say reverb on the snare and compression only on the kick? or

Awesome explanation, thanks so much, exactly what i needed to know, i knew
i'd get there if i kept acting dumb!
      cheers        CB

Helge Gudmundsen wrote:

Forget different MIDI channels, the multichannel concept refers to the

> audio samples used by EXS24. Here's how you use the multichannel
> functionality:
>
> Put the EXS24 on a track (using the MultiChannel version)
> Load up your desired program in EXS24.
> Open the instrument editor.
> Select a zone and put a checkmark in the box labelled EXS output. You
> will now se a field next to the checkbox where the default value is
> "Main". Here you can select other outputs (e.g. 3/4, 5/6 etc.)
>
> Zones or groups that are routed to "Main" will be sent to the instrument
> channel you have selected for the EXS24. If you select other output
> channels, these are routed to Aux-objects (which were new in Logic 5.2).
> If you have a drum program for the EXS24, you can send the kick drum to
> one Aux giving it one kind of treatment, snare drum to another Aux
> giving it other effects etc. The input source of an Aux channel is
> selected with the input assignment pop-up menu.
>
> The EXS24 has 5 stereo output pairs and 6 individual mono outputs. The
> first 10 EXS24 outputs are always configured as stereo pairs. Outputs 11
> through 16 are mono outputs.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> --
> helge
>
> T





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ok, cheers mate, thanks for your help, i think i've got it now.

       - CB -

HELP@... wrote:

> Geez, Chris. Listen: YOU CAN'T DO THIS. To do what you want, you need to use
> 2 EXS24s. That's the only way. There are NO MIDI channels to speak of. The
> multi out refers to AUDIO not MIDI. NO MIDI. NO MIDI. NO MIDI. Think of the
> EXS24 as an outboard piece of gear with only ONE midi channel, if you must.
> Only you have a bunch of these single-channel instruments. -Jer

On a fine day, 04-02-2003, <HELP@...> wrote:

>  >> now so if you have the time ; ) ) can i then somehow put different effects
>  >> on each part? say reverb on the snare and compression only on the kick? or
>
>But you CAN do this with only one use of the EXS24 with no MIDI channel (or
>one if such a visualization is helpful to you). You control the outputs in
>the EXS24 Edit screen. You can send a single zone or an entire group to a
>different output. I can't spell this out in detail as it would take too
>long. You'll have to play with it.

Or read the FAQ, which treats multiple outputs in detail:

http://www.omega-art.com/logic/faq/

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com