EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

I am about to move my entire exs library of samples from my 60 gig firewire 
drive to a larger one.   Any pitfalls to look out for or weirdness that I 
should expect?   Like maybe needing to sit while the exs looks for the new 
locations?   Thanks.

kurt





Kurt Goebel
The Groove Corporation
308 Peachtree St. Nashville Tn. 37210
615-333-1340


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--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, kurtgoebel@a... wrote:
> I am about to move my entire exs library of samples from my 60 gig firewire 
> drive to a larger one.   Any pitfalls to look out for or weirdness that I 
> should expect?   Like maybe needing to sit while the exs looks for the new 
> locations?   Thanks.

i'm busy transferring too, to a new powerbook, and the fact that exs takes a while to 
located a previously unlocated instruments samples is a bit daunting. i anticipate a 
day spent clicking through every patch so the exs knows it's way thereafter.

i'm hoping some kind soul is going to tell us "as long as all the instruments and 
samples are transferred *as is* then everything will be fine."

any takers?

andy.

On a fine day, 13-05-2003, highlandsource wrote:

>--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, kurtgoebel@a... wrote:
>>  I am about to move my entire exs library of samples from my 60 gig firewire
>>  drive to a larger one.   Any pitfalls to look out for or weirdness that I
>>  should expect?   Like maybe needing to sit while the exs looks for the new
>>  locations?   Thanks.
>
>i'm busy transferring too, to a new powerbook, and the fact that exs 
>takes a while to located a previously unlocated instruments samples 
>is a bit daunting. i anticipate a day spent clicking through every 
>patch so the exs knows it's way thereafter.
>
>i'm hoping some kind soul is going to tell us "as long as all the 
>instruments and samples are transferred *as is* then everything will 
>be fine."

As soon as you move samples to another drive, you _will_ force the 
EXS to go looking for them.

See the FAQ, 18.10, for a way to avoid spending hours behind the 
computer to fix this.  The FAQ address is in the footer of this msg.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Hendrik Jan Veenstra <h@k...> wrote:
> 
> As soon as you move samples to another drive, you _will_ force the 
> EXS to go looking for them.
> 
> See the FAQ, 18.10, for a way to avoid spending hours behind the 
> computer to fix this.  The FAQ address is in the footer of this msg.


excellent news, hendrik.

i was meaning to congratulate on the faq already....

*clap,clap*

i've had it for days but have been too busy to poke my nose into it, now i have a 
reason to ;)

cheers.

On 13/5/03 19:15, "Hendrik Jan Veenstra" <h@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> As soon as you move samples to another drive, you _will_ force the
> EXS to go looking for them.
> 
Just let the Project Manager Run overnight & you should be fine. I just
moved my sample library to a bigger drive, did the scan overnight. So far
seems to work fine (i.e. No long time looking for the samples). If PM does
not find the samples do the Œfind unresolved file references¹. Unfortunately
only LAMP 6.0 (maybe a reason to upgrade ;-))

Cheers,

Gilles


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On a fine day, 14-05-2003, Gilles Ruppert wrote:

>On 13/5/03 19:15, "Hendrik Jan Veenstra" <h@...> wrote:
>
>  > As soon as you move samples to another drive, you _will_ force the
>  > EXS to go looking for them.
>
>Just let the Project Manager Run overnight & you should be fine. I just
>moved my sample library to a bigger drive, did the scan overnight. So far
>seems to work fine (i.e. No long time looking for the samples). If PM does
>not find the samples do the 'find unresolved file references'. Unfortunately
>only LAMP 6.0 (maybe a reason to upgrade ;-))

And what happens if the PM finds multiple samples with the same 
name/size?  Does it put up a dialog, like the EXS itself does?

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

On 14/5/03 6:55, "Hendrik Jan Veenstra" <h@...> wrote:

> 
> And what happens if the PM finds multiple samples with the same
> name/size?  Does it put up a dialog, like the EXS itself does?

Yes. It¹s actually quite thought through (although far from perfect):

When you do the Œfind unresolved files references¹ it goes through the data.
When it finds multiple matches a dialog comes up giving you the several
files in question. The PM tells you what the original location (the whole
path!!!) & name of the sample was (& this was for samples which I copied to
another drive while using version 5, so no PM then!!).

If you just copied the whole folder, the path will be more or less the same
apart from the drive name, etc, which at least in my case made it quite
easy.

Only problem: if you do it like I did for a 40GB sample library & there are
quite a few matches (I found out I had the Siedlaczek 3 times, Miroslav 2
times, EXS factory sounds 5 times on the computer... Probably happened while
reinstalling or in the heat of a session...) you might do a mistake & you
can¹t really undo that. As you pointed out (thanks BTW ;-)) you have to open
the sample instrumentin question (luckily remembered which ones I messed up)
& change it manually.

IMO, this is way better then going through 11000 EXS programs, waiting for
the EXS to find the right sample, etc

Cheers,

Gilles


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On a fine day, 14-05-2003, Gilles Ruppert wrote:

>On 14/5/03 6:55, "Hendrik Jan Veenstra" <h@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>  And what happens if the PM finds multiple samples with the same
>>  name/size?  Does it put up a dialog, like the EXS itself does?
>
>Yes. It's actually quite thought through (although far from perfect):
>
>When you do the 'find unresolved files references' it goes through the data.
>When it finds multiple matches a dialog comes up giving you the several
>files in question.

Ah, that sounds similar -- thx.

>IMO, this is way better then going through 11000 EXS programs, waiting for
>the EXS to find the right sample, etc

I don't quite see the difference with the "next 
instrument"-command-in-a-loop method, to be honest.  Except that 
maybe the PM is faster, but if you let Logic loop overnight that's no 
issue.

Would you mind writing an _exact_ description of how to do this in 
LA6?  I can then add it to the proper FAQ-entry...  If you don't have 
the time, than that's okay, but I thought I might as well ask...

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

On 14/5/03 14:20, "Hendrik Jan Veenstra" <h@...> wrote:
> 
>> >IMO, this is way better then going through 11000 EXS programs, waiting for
>> >the EXS to find the right sample, etc
> 
> I don't quite see the difference with the "next
> instrument"-command-in-a-loop method, to be honest.  Except that
> maybe the PM is faster, but if you let Logic loop overnight that's no
> issue.
> 
> 
> 
> Now that you say it: I never thought about that! You basically mean you create
> a midi shortcut for Œselect next instrument¹ & loop that, or not?!? Silly
> me... I usually never use MIDI keycommands so there you go... After 5 Years
> still learning every day new things about Logic ;-))
> 
> 
> 
> Would you mind writing an _exact_ description of how to do this in
> LA6?  I can then add it to the proper FAQ-entry...  If you don't have
> the time, than that's okay, but I thought I might as well ask...

I should have some time over the next couple of days. I¹ll do it again, so
that I don¹t give you wrong information (although just with a small portion
of samples ;-))


Cheers,

Gilles

P.S: could be a week or so, I¹ll have to do it during the free time


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On a fine day, 14-05-2003, Gilles Ruppert wrote:

>  > Would you mind writing an _exact_ description of how to do this in
>>  LA6?  I can then add it to the proper FAQ-entry...  If you don't have
>>  the time, than that's okay, but I thought I might as well ask...
>
>I should have some time over the next couple of days. I'll do it again, so
>that I don't give you wrong information (although just with a small portion
>of samples ;-))

Thanks in advance.  And don't make it into something big (for your 
own sake) -- just a small paragraph will do (I suppose).

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

On 14/5/03 21:38, "Hendrik Jan Veenstra" <h@...> wrote:

> On a fine day, 14-05-2003, Gilles Ruppert wrote:
> 
>>> >  > Would you mind writing an _exact_ description of how to do this in
>>> >>  LA6?  I can then add it to the proper FAQ-entry...  If you don't have
>>> >>  the time, than that's okay, but I thought I might as well ask...
>> >
>> >I should have some time over the next couple of days. I'll do it again, so
>> >that I don't give you wrong information (although just with a small portion
>> >of samples ;-))
> 
> Thanks in advance.  And don't make it into something big (for your
> own sake) -- just a small paragraph will do (I suppose).

No Problem. I still want to check whether there are really no pitfalls! (No
need to let the FAQ suddenly give bad info because of me... ;-))

Cheers,

gilles


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hi guys,


> Just let the Project Manager Run overnight & you should be fine. I just
> moved my sample library to a bigger drive, did the scan overnight. So far
> seems to work fine (i.e. No long time looking for the samples).

i'm not sure this is fully working for what i seem to encounter. i admit i'm a complete 
novice with the project manager so i might have missed a step or two - i just had it 
scan all my files (no problems) and then loaded a few exs instruments. here's what i 
found: the exs finds the samples ok but it still takes a second or five to think about 
getting them. once i accessed the exs instruments i was able to much more quickly 
move through the previously accessed instruments. i quit logic, restarted, opened 
logic and found again the previously accessed instruments loaded much faster than 
ones i hadn't yet accessed.

it seems to me each exs instrument still has to be opened at least once before the 
fastest access times can be had and be remembered by logic.

i expect to be corrected if i'm an idiot and have missed some crucial element ;)

andy.

What kind of software is the project manager? I seem to spend a lot of 
time loading instruments into EXS24 that shouldn't take a long time.

thx,

simon

On Friday, May 16, 2003, at 08:03 PM, highlandsource wrote:

> hi guys,
>
>
>> Just let the Project Manager Run overnight & you should be fine. I 
>> just
>> moved my sample library to a bigger drive, did the scan overnight. So 
>> far
>> seems to work fine (i.e. No long time looking for the samples).
>

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, simon james <jazzician@s...> wrote:
> What kind of software is the project manager? 

hi simon,

it's built into logic 6 - menu>windows>project manager. it's a big ole organisational 
database for (almost) all logic related files.

i think! .....i've used it precisely once.

;)

andy.

Heya simon,

On Friday, May 16, 2003, at 1:08:41 PM, you wrote:
sj> What kind of software is the project manager? I seem to spend a lot of 
sj> time loading instruments into EXS24 that shouldn't take a long time.

Its built into Logic 6.

On 16/5/03 19:03, "highlandsource" <seranance@...> wrote:

> hi guys,
> 
> 
>> > Just let the Project Manager Run overnight & you should be fine. I just
>> > moved my sample library to a bigger drive, did the scan overnight. So far
>> > seems to work fine (i.e. No long time looking for the samples).
> 
> i'm not sure this is fully working for what i seem to encounter. i admit i'm a
> complete 
> novice with the project manager so i might have missed a step or two - i just
> had it 
> scan all my files (no problems) and then loaded a few exs instruments. here's
> what i 
> found: the exs finds the samples ok but it still takes a second or five to
> think about 
> getting them. once i accessed the exs instruments i was able to much more
> quickly 
> move through the previously accessed instruments. i quit logic, restarted,
> opened 
> logic and found again the previously accessed instruments loaded much faster
> than 
> ones i hadn't yet accessed.
> 
> it seems to me each exs instrument still has to be opened at least once before
> the 
> fastest access times can be had and be remembered by logic.
> 
Have a look in the PM under your EXS24 instruments: if there is a red
triangle in front of the instruments (or some of them), it means that Logic
doesn¹t have a reference to the samples. Choose Œfind unresolved files of
selected items¹ under the function menu. Once this is done, the Instruments
should have black triangles in front of them & should load fast.

Cheers,

Gilles

P.S: let me know whether this worked for you please. I tried it on my
computer & it worked, but I¹m still looking for other people who did it, to
see whether it really works, or whether I was just damn lucky ;-))


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--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Gilles Ruppert <gillesruppert@b...> wrote=
:

> Have a look in the PM under your EXS24 instruments: if there is a red
> triangle in front of the instruments (or some of them), it means that Log=
ic
> doesn¹t have a reference to the samples. Choose ?find unresolved files of=

> selected items¹ under the function menu. Once this is done, the Instrumen=
ts
> should have black triangles in front of them & should load fast.

affirmative ;) thanks for that, gilles. i guess the faq needs an update now=
.

andy.

On 18/5/03 2:58, "highlandsource" <seranance@...> wrote:

> --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Gilles Ruppert <gillesruppert@b...> wrote=
> :
> 
>> > Have a look in the PM under your EXS24 instruments: if there is a red
>> > triangle in front of the instruments (or some of them), it means that Log=
> ic
>> > doesn¹t have a reference to the samples. Choose ?find unresolved files of=
> 
>> > selected items¹ under the function menu. Once this is done, the Instrumen=
> ts
>> > should have black triangles in front of them & should load fast.
> 
> affirmative ;) thanks for that, gilles. i guess the faq needs an update now=
> .
> 
> andy.

I actually send Hendrik a small document containing this for the FAQ. He¹ll
have a look at it (probably needs a bit of rewriting, it¹s quite hard for me
to describe something in Logic without writing pages & pages ;-)). He said
he would put it in the FAQ, so just wait a bit. Should be added soon.

Cheers,

Gilles


-- 
Gilles Ruppert
Sound Engineer
gilles@...

PowerBook G4 1GHz 1GB RAM
MOTU 896 / MOTU MTP AV
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On a fine day, 18-05-2003, Gilles Ruppert wrote:

>  > thanks for that, gilles. i guess the faq needs an update now=
>
>I actually send Hendrik a small document containing this for the FAQ. He'll
>have a look at it (probably needs a bit of rewriting, it's quite hard for me
>to describe something in Logic without writing pages & pages ;-)). He said
>he would put it in the FAQ, so just wait a bit. Should be added soon.

Done -- see FAQ 18.10.  If anything should be altered/added/whatever, 
just drop me a line.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/