EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

>On 28/06/03 1:03, "Colin Shapiro" <musos@...> wrote:
>
>>>  >VSL + EXS24 + G5 2Ghz 8 GB that is the question !
>>
>>  The answer is: Oh Yeah!!!!!
>>  Performance should improve dramatically. More RAM (8Gb) means lots
>>  more VSL instruments, if everything can be optimised properly.
>>
>>  It will take some time before this happens though...
>>
>     No, it\ufffds all before or for Apple Expo Paris ;o))))

From: Cyril Blanc <blanc.cyril@...>

>     The problem is do we will still need a Gigasampler PC to handle a full
>orchestra ?

In other words, how many machines will one 8GB Mac replace.

Right now, one Giga PC and one dual gig Quicksilver (both with 1.5GB 
of RAM) load essentially the same amount of VSL. I'm getting 180 
stereo voices off a Firewire drive on the Mac, and the PC gets the 
Giga max 160 mono voices.

You'll be able to load more programs into 8GB of RAM, but you'll 
still need to run the voices off multiple drives and busses. And then 
the question is whether it's still cheaper to buy Giga PCs than to 
buy all that RAM!

So the answer to Cyril's question is that we'll have to wait and see.
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Nick Batzdorf
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On 28/06/03 18:52, "Nick Batzdorf" <recording@...> wrote:

>> >On 28/06/03 1:03, "Colin Shapiro" <musos@...> wrote:
>> >
>>>>> >>>  >VSL + EXS24 + G5 2Ghz 8 GB that is the question !
>>> >>
>>> >>  The answer is: Oh Yeah!!!!!
>>> >>  Performance should improve dramatically. More RAM (8Gb) means lots
>>> >>  more VSL instruments, if everything can be optimised properly.
>>> >>
>>> >>  It will take some time before this happens though...
>>> >>
>> >     No, it¹s all before or for Apple Expo Paris ;o))))
> 
> From: Cyril Blanc <blanc.cyril@...>
> 
>> >     The problem is do we will still need a Gigasampler PC to handle a full
>> >orchestra ?
> 
> In other words, how many machines will one 8GB Mac replace.
> 
> Right now, one Giga PC and one dual gig Quicksilver (both with 1.5GB
> of RAM) load essentially the same amount of VSL. I'm getting 180
> stereo voices off a Firewire drive on the Mac, and the PC gets the
> Giga max 160 mono voices.
> 
> You'll be able to load more programs into 8GB of RAM, but you'll
> still need to run the voices off multiple drives and busses. And then
> the question is whether it's still cheaper to buy Giga PCs than to
> buy all that RAM!
> 
> So the answer to Cyril's question is that we'll have to wait and see.

Hello Nick

Have you tried to run your samples from your internal HD

Best regards
 
Cyril Blanc
France

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>  > Right now, one Giga PC and one dual gig Quicksilver (both with 1.5GB
>>  of RAM) load essentially the same amount of VSL. I'm getting 180
>>  stereo voices off a Firewire drive on the Mac, and the PC gets the
>>  Giga max 160 mono voices.
>>
>>  You'll be able to load more programs into 8GB of RAM, but you'll
>>  still need to run the voices off multiple drives and busses. And then
>>  the question is whether it's still cheaper to buy Giga PCs than to
>>  buy all that RAM!
>>
>>  So the answer to Cyril's question is that we'll have to wait and see.
>

  From: Cyril Blanc <blanc.cyril@...>

>Hello Nick
>
>Have you tried to run your samples from your internal HD

I have them on an internal HD on the Giga machine, but not on the 
Mac. That shouldn't make any difference, though, because Firewire had 
enough bandwidth for this not to be an issue. Both are 120GB IDE 
drives with 8MB buffers and similar specs  - in fact they may be the 
same WD drive; I forget what's in the Windows machine.

But I should stress that this isn't an exact benchmark. And I could 
probably get more polyphony out of the Mac if I split the samples 
across two drives.

Right now I've spent hours and hours (literally!) in the Project 
Manager getting EXS to load samples quickly, so I'm not anxious to 
rock the boat! As it is, it takes 15 minutes every time I open the PM 
window. But I'm not complaining about either machine because the 
performance is pretty damn good.

One other piece of trivia: Giga loads the same amount of samples in 
793MB, which is the max you can get Giga to use under Windows XP 
(unless you go to 2GB of RAM, in which case the max going to a little 
under 1.1GB).

There are threads about this on the Northernsounds and VSL forums.
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

On 30/06/03 5:08, "Nick Batzdorf" <recording@...> wrote:

>>> >  > Right now, one Giga PC and one dual gig Quicksilver (both with 1.5GB
>>> >>  of RAM) load essentially the same amount of VSL. I'm getting 180
>>> >>  stereo voices off a Firewire drive on the Mac, and the PC gets the
>>> >>  Giga max 160 mono voices.
>>> >>
>>> >>  You'll be able to load more programs into 8GB of RAM, but you'll
>>> >>  still need to run the voices off multiple drives and busses. And then
>>> >>  the question is whether it's still cheaper to buy Giga PCs than to
>>> >>  buy all that RAM!
>>> >>
>>> >>  So the answer to Cyril's question is that we'll have to wait and see.
>> >
> 
>   From: Cyril Blanc <blanc.cyril@...>
> 
>> >Hello Nick
>> >
>> >Have you tried to run your samples from your internal HD
> 
> I have them on an internal HD on the Giga machine, but not on the
> Mac. That shouldn't make any difference, though, because Firewire had
> enough bandwidth for this not to be an issue. Both are 120GB IDE
> drives with 8MB buffers and similar specs  - in fact they may be the
> same WD drive; I forget what's in the Windows machine.
> 
> But I should stress that this isn't an exact benchmark. And I could
> probably get more polyphony out of the Mac if I split the samples
> across two drives.
> 
> Right now I've spent hours and hours (literally!) in the Project
> Manager getting EXS to load samples quickly, so I'm not anxious to
> rock the boat! As it is, it takes 15 minutes every time I open the PM
> window. But I'm not complaining about either machine because the
> performance is pretty damn good.
> 
> One other piece of trivia: Giga loads the same amount of samples in
> 793MB, which is the max you can get Giga to use under Windows XP
> (unless you go to 2GB of RAM, in which case the max going to a little
> under 1.1GB).
> 
> There are threads about this on the Northernsounds and VSL forums.

Hello Nick

Do you have an FW audio interface ?


Best regards
 
Cyril Blanc
France

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From: Cyril Blanc <blanc.cyril@...>

>Do you have an FW audio interface ?

Actually I do have a MOTU 828, but I only use it on my PowerBook as a 
portable DAW (and as back-up insurance if I'm recording someone and 
my Pro Tools rig goes up in smoke - but that hasn't happened).

Not a relevant factor in these reports - except that you probably 
wouldn't want to use a FW interface and a FW drive if you're trying 
to maximize a streaming EXS machine.
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434

On 1/07/03 18:43, "Nick Batzdorf" <recording@...> wrote:

>   From: Cyril Blanc <blanc.cyril@...>
> 
>> >Do you have an FW audio interface ?
> 
> Actually I do have a MOTU 828, but I only use it on my PowerBook as a
> portable DAW (and as back-up insurance if I'm recording someone and
> my Pro Tools rig goes up in smoke - but that hasn't happened).
> 
> Not a relevant factor in these reports - except that you probably
> wouldn't want to use a FW interface and a FW drive if you're trying
> to maximize a streaming EXS machine.

Hello Nick

That is the point I want you to come.

Also a Power book is not a computer to make symphonic pieces of music with
many tracks ; That was clearly pointed to me by Apple France when I bought
my Wall Street a few years ago
A technician from Apple told me ³you should never have bought this computer
to make music, use a desktop, I bought a 400 MHZ G4 it was a dream !. (it¹s
a question of disk, bus ..... WHAT SO EVER ;;;; I don¹t know much about
hardware inside the PB)

With a 324 PCI interface with Motu 2408+24i+1296 ; I have manage to record
the 54 ins with no problems on a G4 533 MP using internal ATA disk, I doubt
you can do this on a series of FW interfaces !
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Cyril Blanc
France

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On 1/07/03 18:43, "Nick Batzdorf" <recording@...> wrote:

>   From: Cyril Blanc <blanc.cyril@...>
> 
>> >Do you have an FW audio interface ?
> 
> Actually I do have a MOTU 828, but I only use it on my PowerBook as a
> portable DAW (and as back-up insurance if I'm recording someone and
> my Pro Tools rig goes up in smoke - but that hasn't happened).
> 
> Not a relevant factor in these reports - except that you probably
> wouldn't want to use a FW interface and a FW drive if you're trying
> to maximize a streaming EXS machine.

Hello Again

We where speaking of the price of memory, on Apple.com it is 1000$ for 2 GB
on http://www.ramjet.com/?src=macintouch it is 589 $ (DDR PC3200 for G5)

Best regards
 
Cyril Blanc
France

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On 1/07/03 18:43, "Nick Batzdorf" <recording@...> wrote:

>  >   From: Cyril Blanc <blanc.cyril@...>
>>
>>>  >Do you have an FW audio interface ?
>>
>>  Actually I do have a MOTU 828, but I only use it on my PowerBook as a
>>  portable DAW (and as back-up insurance if I'm recording someone and
>>  my Pro Tools rig goes up in smoke - but that hasn't happened).
>>
>>  Not a relevant factor in these reports - except that you probably
>>  wouldn't want to use a FW interface and a FW drive if you're trying
>  > to maximize a streaming EXS machine.

  From: Cyril Blanc <blanc.cyril@...>

>Hello Nick
>
>That is the point I want you to come.

Well, Firewire has enough bandwidth to do a lot, but the 
implementation in my G4-upgraded Pismo machine - and, I've been told, 
all but the last couple of TiBook generations - isn't great. I 
couldn't run a Digi 002 on that PowerBook (because it's controlling 
the mixer and running audio down the same wire), but even on the 
internal drive it can record eight simultaneous tracks while playing 
back 24.

So the Firewire bus on that machine is fine for a lot of things. I 
used to use it as an auxiliary sample-playing machine all the time, 
but only for RAM-based samples. With a dual gig Mac and a Giga PC I 
don't need to do that, but the opinion of your Apple tech below needs 
to be qualified. You can do a lot with a Wallstreet.

>Also a Power book is not a computer to make symphonic pieces of music with
>many tracks ; That was clearly pointed to me by Apple France when I bought
>my Wall Street a few years ago
>A technician from Apple told me \ufffdyou should never have bought this computer
>to make music, use a desktop

The Wallstreet doesn't have Firewire, but a lot of things have 
changed since then.

>  I bought a 400 MHZ G4 it was a dream !. (it\ufffds
>a question of disk, bus ..... WHAT SO EVER ;;;; I don\ufffdt know much about
>hardware inside the PB)
>
>With a 324 PCI interface with Motu 2408+24i+1296 ; I have manage to record
>the 54 ins with no problems on a G4 533 MP using internal ATA disk, I doubt
>you can do this on a series of FW interfaces !

Why would you need to? You're in a studio setting if you're recording 
54 ins, so you can use whatever works.
-- 

Nick Batzdorf
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101, fax 905-5434