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In the past little while, I've been getting emails regularly from people 
requesting info on writing for film and tv, how to start, what to expect, 
technical questions, etc. After repeating myself a few times, I thought it 
might be a good idea to put together a humble FAQ, based on my experiences 
so far in the business. This is a first draft, so I'm looking for any 
suggestions, additional questions, comments, etc.

Here's the link: http://www.nedfx.com/scoringforfilmfaq.html

Let me know what you think!

Ned

http://www.nedfx.com

       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

Ned Bouhalassa [mailto:ned@...] wrote:
>I thought it might be a good idea to put together a humble FAQ, 
>based on my experiences so far in the business. This is a 
>first draft, so I'm looking for any suggestions, additional 
>questions, comments, etc. 

Cheers Ned, great initiative. Maybe I come up with a question or two. 

Herbert
www.zepmusic.com

Ned Bouhalassa wrote: 

>
> so far in the business. This is a first draft, so I'm looking for any 
> suggestions, additional questions, comments, etc.
>
> Here's the link:
> <http://www.nedfx.com/scoringforfilmfaq.html>http://www.nedfx.com/scoringf
> orfilmfaq.html


Hi Ned,

Thanks for making the effort with this. I was going to post a question on this
very subject but for PC users. I wanted to know the best way to work with a
quicktime or AVI movie in LAW or Cubase SX. 

Thusfar I have not needed to fit music to a predetermined video timeline. I
have submitted music I have written after viewing unedited footage and the
film/video has been cut to the music. Some editors seem to like to work this
way.
 
Perhaps someone with expertise on the PC platform could offer an addendum to
your FAQ for PC specific stuff. 

Regards,
Murray

that is fabulous, i have been scouring the net for something like this for YEARS, literally. thanks ned!

Dear Ned,

Great idea.  You deserve a lot of credit for taking time out of your
schedule to do this.  I just had a 2 hour meeting with ASCAP, one of
America's PRO's, about this and other things.  I will be teaching a
seminar in the winter about What it takes to succeed in music.  

Thank you for all the help you have been to me and answering my
questions.

Gary Pozner

Thanks Gary!

Well, to be honest, I think the whole thing may have taken me four hours to 
do. As you know, once you've done some really stressed out work, with a 
crazy deadline, and producers/directors breathing down your neck, writing a 
four-hour FAQ is _almost_ like a walk in the park! I hope to expand it 
slowly over time.

Please feel free to share you own experiences/ideas with us, especially as 
you prepare your seminar (should be fun - nothing like teaching to learn 
more about your trade). IMV, it's all about sharing and helping others. Hey 
- I watch tv and movies too, and I want the music to be good!!! And I want 
my colleagues to get well paid and have a good time doing what they do!

Onwards...

Ned

Gary Pozner wrote:
> Great idea.  You deserve a lot of credit for taking time out of your
> schedule to do this.  I just had a 2 hour meeting with ASCAP, one of
> America's PRO's, about this and other things.  I will be teaching a
> seminar in the winter about What it takes to succeed in music. 
> 
> Thank you for all the help you have been to me and answering my
> questions.
> 
> Gary Pozner



http://www.nedfx.com

       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

You might try posting your questions on the Cubase for Windows forum:

http://forum.cubase.net/cgi-bin/cubase.net/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Cubase+for+Windows&number=2&DaysPrune=10&LastLogin=

Also, there are a lot of PC users at K-V-R. Try posting on their 
'Everything Else' forum:

http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=4

Good luck,

Ned

Murray McDowall wrote:
>  I was going to post a question 
> on this
> very subject but for PC users. I wanted to know the best way to work with a
> quicktime or AVI movie in LAW or Cubase SX.




http://www.nedfx.com

       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

Thank you Ned, you are our hero!

Keith





On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 09:12  PM, Ned Bouhalassa wrote:

> In the past little while, I've been getting emails regularly from 
> people
> requesting info on writing for film and tv, how to start, what to 
> expect,
> technical questions, etc. After repeating myself a few times, I 
> thought it
> might be a good idea to put together a humble FAQ, based on my 
> experiences
> so far in the business. This is a first draft, so I'm looking for any
> suggestions, additional questions, comments, etc.
>
> Here's the link: http://www.nedfx.com/scoringforfilmfaq.html
>
> Let me know what you think!
>
> Ned
>
> http://www.nedfx.com
>
>        Ned Bouhalassa
>
> n e d @ n e d f x . c o m
>
>
>
>
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Many thanx, Ned!! Inspirational and informative...kudos!! Micke Nilsson

>Ned Bouhalassa wrote:
>
> >
> > so far in the business. This is a first draft, so I'm looking for any
> > suggestions, additional questions, comments, etc.
> >
> > Here's the link:
> > 
><http://www.nedfx.com/scoringforfilmfaq.html>http://www.nedfx.com/scoringf
> > orfilmfaq.html
>

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Someone with a lot of looping experience: please tell me there's a better 
way to gain access to the hundreds of unmarked loops on audio CD's than 
manually marking, naming and extracting individual files as I am now doing. 
I'm new to this game and am desperately hoping I'm missing something 
obvious here. Even the discs with index markers aren't anywhere accurate 
enough to be useful, and non-drum loops where downbeats aren't clearly 
defined are a total nightmare.

Is this unbelievably tedious process really part and parcel of this trade, 
or is there a method or program that can help automate this procedure? TIA 
for any help.

Sean McCoy
Oregon Sound Recording

Welcome to the art of looping :o)

Do you know of many arts which don't require a bit of hard work? It may seem tedious at first, but once you get the feel of it, it becomes a fast and hassle free process. You'll even be able to make perfect loops without listening to the audio (some of the time)! I am not aware of any automated procedures, i can only recommend perseverance.

Good Luck!

Tom

EastWest has a 30% off promo that ends tonight, and the Post Grandioso 
Bosendorfer 290 is available for $171.50. The demos for this piano and the 
Bardstown ($249 for the 24 bit EXS24 version) both sound very 
good.  Obviously, implementation into EXS24 has to be considered as well, 
since the PMI piano doesn't have a native EXS24 version. I know this has 
been discussed before, but if anybody who has experience with both 
libraries has a recommendation given the current PMI price reduction, I'd 
love to hear it--other than the obvious "buy both":)

Sean McCoy
Oregon Sound Recording

New user in the house... :)

I was curios if anyone could suggest who offers a wide
range of instrument library for the EXS24. Not Wav or
AIf files but complete instruments. I'm debuting to
buy midi hardware or look for CD's with EXS24
instruments. Thx!!

- biz

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Hi there,
There are some native EXS PMI instruments..but I don't see them at 
Soundsonline....they are at the PMI website.  I've done a little beta 
testing for the PMI 290...and I haven't heard anything like it.  It's 
delicious.   No experience with the Bardstown piano....just the demos

julie



On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 01:58  PM, Sean McCoy wrote:

> EastWest has a 30% off promo that ends tonight, and the Post Grandioso
> Bosendorfer 290 is available for $171.50. The demos for this piano and 
> the
> Bardstown ($249 for the 24 bit EXS24 version) both sound very
> good.  Obviously, implementation into EXS24 has to be considered as 
> well,
> since the PMI piano doesn't have a native EXS24 version. I know this 
> has
> been discussed before, but if anybody who has experience with both
> libraries has a recommendation given the current PMI price reduction, 
> I'd
> love to hear it--other than the obvious "buy both":)
>
> Sean McCoy
> Oregon Sound Recording
>
>
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The PMI is fantastic, dunno about the Bardstown. Caveat: the PMI comes 
as a .exe file which needs to be decompressed in Windows. When I told 
EastWest about this (no PC here)...they immediately decompressed it and 
sent me a DVD which I then converted to EXS...Same day!! Great company.
	If you go this route, you will need to edit the keymaps, because the 
pedal down groups were then playing at the
same time as the pedal ups. Not a big job.
	This piano is awesome though, for sound and dynamics, hard to imagine 
anything better.
		
		Jeff

>
>   Obviously, implementation into EXS24 has to be considered as well,
> since the PMI piano doesn't have a native EXS24 version. I know this 
> has
> been discussed before, but if anybody who has experience with both
> libraries has a recommendation given the current PMI price reduction, 
> I'd
> love to hear it--other than the obvious "buy both":)
>
> Sean McCoy
> Oregon Sound Recording

At 10:03 PM 08/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi there,
>There are some native EXS PMI instruments..but I don't see them at
>Soundsonline....they are at the PMI website.  I've done a little beta
>testing for the PMI 290...and I haven't heard anything like it.  It's
>delicious.   No experience with the Bardstown piano....just the demos
>
>julie


Thanks, Julie, you're right---Soundsonline only had the Akai and Giga 
versions. I was a little late in looking into this seriously, so I'll be 
waiting for the next sale! Since the demos on their site are all pretty 
mellow, I'd be curious to hear your opinion of how the PMI 290 works when 
played more aggressively in a higher energy pop or rock format?

Sean

Dear Julie,

    I bought the PMI Bosendorfer 290 LE edition.  I am on a mac based
system. I did do the conversion on a PC but I only seem to get one playable
Piano. The B290 Dry 16 Layer.  The other's show up in my menu but when I
tried to load them, they tell me the samples can't be found.  Is this a case
of the samples somehow being put in the wrong directories?  I am also
wondering if the whole library didn't convert that well, as I am not really
liking the sound.  I am wondering if samples are missing.  Any thoughts. I
am also just now eamiling PMI directly. Thanks

Gary Pozner
www.whirledmusic.com

 Sean McCoy at osr@... wrote:

> At 10:03 PM 08/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>> Hi there,
>> There are some native EXS PMI instruments..but I don't see them at
>> Soundsonline....they are at the PMI website.  I've done a little beta
>> testing for the PMI 290...and I haven't heard anything like it.  It's
>> delicious.   No experience with the Bardstown piano....just the demos
>> 
>> julie
> 
>

Hi Sean...
I simply love the piano.  My forte isn't rock...so I'm probably not the 
best person to answer that question.  But it's done everything I asked 
it to do.  SOS Magazine wrote an in depth review...gave it 5 stars...I 
think you can read it from the PMI website.  I bet it will give you a 
good idea of it's strengths and weaknesses.

julie

On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, at 01:50  PM, Sean McCoy wrote:

> At 10:03 PM 08/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi there,
> >There are some native EXS PMI instruments..but I don't see them at
> >Soundsonline....they are at the PMI website.  I've done a little beta
> >testing for the PMI 290...and I haven't heard anything like it.  It's
> >delicious.   No experience with the Bardstown piano....just the demos
> >
> >julie
>
>
> Thanks, Julie, you're right---Soundsonline only had the Akai and Giga
> versions. I was a little late in looking into this seriously, so I'll 
> be
> waiting for the next sale! Since the demos on their site are all pretty
> mellow, I'd be curious to hear your opinion of how the PMI 290 works 
> when
> played more aggressively in a higher energy pop or rock format?
>
> Sean 
>
>
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Hi Gary,
I wrote Michiel about this...as I'm not familiar with  what comes in 
the LE edition.  He said he would respond on the list.

julie



On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, at 02:50  PM, gary from whirled music 
wrote:

> Dear Julie,
>
>     I bought the PMI Bosendorfer 290 LE edition.  I am on a mac based
> system. I did do the conversion on a PC but I only seem to get one 
> playable
> Piano. The B290 Dry 16 Layer.  The other's show up in my menu but when 
> I
> tried to load them, they tell me the samples can't be found.  Is this 
> a case
> of the samples somehow being put in the wrong directories?  I am also
> wondering if the whole library didn't convert that well, as I am not 
> really
> liking the sound.  I am wondering if samples are missing.  Any 
> thoughts. I
> am also just now eamiling PMI directly. Thanks
>
> Gary Pozner
> www.whirledmusic.com
>
> Sean McCoy at osr@... wrote:
>
> > At 10:03 PM 08/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >> Hi there,
> >> There are some native EXS PMI instruments..but I don't see them at
> >> Soundsonline....they are at the PMI website.  I've done a little 
> beta
> >> testing for the PMI 290...and I haven't heard anything like it.  
> It's
> >> delicious.   No experience with the Bardstown piano....just the 
> demos
> >>
> >> julie
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>
>
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Hi, It looks you received one of the first LE disk. The release 
samples were missing.
You can download them from our website:
http://stkitts.globat.com/~postpiano.com//PMI/Bos%20release.zip

It's a 12 MB download.

If you have problems reading the UDF disk (I'm not sure if you 
purchased a Giga or EXS disk) we can replace it with a new ISO/UDF 
one, which is better for future re-installs.

Michiel Post

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, gary from whirled music <gary@w...> 
wrote:

>I am on a mac based system. I did do the conversion on a PC but I 
only seem to get one playable Piano. The B290 Dry 16 Layer.  The 
other's show up in my menu but when I tried to load them, they tell 
me the samples can't be found.  Is this a case of the samples somehow 
being put in the wrong directories?

Hi Sean,

The Bardstown Bosendorfer sits beautifully in pop mixes straight out 
of the box without having to do any processing, compression, eq, 
etc.  There are numerous mp3's on our web site of the Bardstown 
Bosendorfer sitting in various pop and jazz mixes.  The Bardstown 
Bosendorfer in all of these mixes is the pure straight sound of this 
piano without any effects processing other than maybe a little reverb.

Kip McGinnis
Bardstown Audio
www.bardstownaudio.com




--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Julie Larson <julielarson@m...> 
wrote:
> Hi Sean...
> I simply love the piano.  My forte isn't rock...so I'm probably not 
the 
> best person to answer that question.  But it's done everything I 
asked 
> it to do.  SOS Magazine wrote an in depth review...gave it 5 
stars...I 
> think you can read it from the PMI website.  I bet it will give you 
a 
> good idea of it's strengths and weaknesses.
> 
> julie
> 
> On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, at 01:50  PM, Sean McCoy wrote:
> 
> > At 10:03 PM 08/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Hi there,
> > >There are some native EXS PMI instruments..but I don't see them 
at
> > >Soundsonline....they are at the PMI website.  I've done a little 
beta
> > >testing for the PMI 290...and I haven't heard anything like it.  
It's
> > >delicious.   No experience with the Bardstown piano....just the 
demos
> > >
> > >julie
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Julie, you're right---Soundsonline only had the Akai and 
Giga
> > versions. I was a little late in looking into this seriously, so 
I'll 
> > be
> > waiting for the next sale! Since the demos on their site are all 
pretty
> > mellow, I'd be curious to hear your opinion of how the PMI 290 
works 
> > when
> > played more aggressively in a higher energy pop or rock format?
> >
> > Sean 
> >
> >
> <image.tiff>
> >
> >
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One other thing I will mention is that the Bardstown Bosendorfer is 
totally unprocessed.  No noise reduction, filters, or eq's, were used 
in the the processing of this piano.  All notes at all velocity 
levels and articulations were sample recorded.  There are no pitch 
shifted notes on this piano.  These types of effects processing on 
sampled instruments have diminishing effects on the life and 
character of sampled instruments.  The Bardstown Bosendorfer was 
recorded at the highest signal levels possible without clipping using 
the very best recording equipment and a/d conversions in order to 
have the purest and cleanest sounding samples for this beautiful 
Bosendorfer Imperial Model 290.

Kip McGinnis 
Bardstown Audio
www.bardstownaudio.com




--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "bardstown_audio" <info@b...> wrote:
> Hi Sean,
> 
> The Bardstown Bosendorfer sits beautifully in pop mixes straight 
out 
> of the box without having to do any processing, compression, eq, 
> etc.  There are numerous mp3's on our web site of the Bardstown 
> Bosendorfer sitting in various pop and jazz mixes.  The Bardstown 
> Bosendorfer in all of these mixes is the pure straight sound of 
this 
> piano without any effects processing other than maybe a little 
reverb.
> 
> Kip McGinnis
> Bardstown Audio
> www.bardstownaudio.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Julie Larson <julielarson@m...> 
> wrote:
> > Hi Sean...
> > I simply love the piano.  My forte isn't rock...so I'm probably 
not 
> the 
> > best person to answer that question.  But it's done everything I 
> asked 
> > it to do.  SOS Magazine wrote an in depth review...gave it 5 
> stars...I 
> > think you can read it from the PMI website.  I bet it will give 
you 
> a 
> > good idea of it's strengths and weaknesses.
> > 
> > julie
> > 
> > On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, at 01:50  PM, Sean McCoy wrote:
> > 
> > > At 10:03 PM 08/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >Hi there,
> > > >There are some native EXS PMI instruments..but I don't see 
them 
> at
> > > >Soundsonline....they are at the PMI website.  I've done a 
little 
> beta
> > > >testing for the PMI 290...and I haven't heard anything like 
it.  
> It's
> > > >delicious.   No experience with the Bardstown piano....just 
the 
> demos
> > > >
> > > >julie
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks, Julie, you're right---Soundsonline only had the Akai 
and 
> Giga
> > > versions. I was a little late in looking into this seriously, 
so 
> I'll 
> > > be
> > > waiting for the next sale! Since the demos on their site are 
all 

> pretty
> > > mellow, I'd be curious to hear your opinion of how the PMI 290 
> works 
> > > when
> > > played more aggressively in a higher energy pop or rock format?
> > >
> > > Sean 
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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At 03:02 PM 08/22/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi Sean,
>
>The Bardstown Bosendorfer sits beautifully in pop mixes straight out
>of the box without having to do any processing, compression, eq,
>etc.  There are numerous mp3's on our web site of the Bardstown
>Bosendorfer sitting in various pop and jazz mixes.  The Bardstown
>Bosendorfer in all of these mixes is the pure straight sound of this
>piano without any effects processing other than maybe a little reverb.
>
>Kip McGinnis
>Bardstown Audio
>www.bardstownaudio.com


Thanks for the info, Kip.