K5synth

Well, I give up. After having the memory battery replaced, it now just puts up garbled characters on the screen or nothing at all kinda like when I got it. Too much time into this beast. I give up. If anyone out there in K5 land needs a parts unit or wants to deal with this thing let me know. I feel like $10 for the unit is fair and you pay the shipping (which is what will kill us both haha). I apologize if this is posted in the wrong place but I after coming so far and being shoved backward off a cliff, I am beyond p&(*$ed and just want this thing out of my house and hopefully into a home that will get something out of it. We can work out the details if I hear something. Thanks.

HiYou say "garbled characters" on the screen? Have you or someone else done anything to the lcd?


      From: "janegimble75@... [k5synth]" <k5synth@yahoogroups.com>
 To: k5synth@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:45 AM
 Subject: [k5synth] K5 Parts Unit
   
    Well, I give up.  After having the memory battery replaced, it now just puts up garbled characters on the screen or nothing at all kinda like when I got it.  Too much time into this beast.  I give up.  If anyone out there in K5 land needs a parts unit or wants to deal with this thing let me know.  I feel like $10 for the unit is fair and you pay the shipping (which is what will kill us both haha).  I apologize if this is posted in the wrong place but I after coming so far and being shoved backward off a cliff, I am beyond p&(*$ed and just want this thing out of my house and hopefully into a home that will get something out of it.  We can work out the details if I hear something.  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I'm looking for someone to test an led display upgrade on a k5. Before you sell it , maybe you could try this display. Garbled characters could mean that someone attempted a backlight replacement and couldn't get the display reassembled properly again. Unless you are aware of another problem with the synth, that could be the problem.

      From: "janegimble75@... [k5synth]" <k5synth@yahoogroups.com>
 To: k5synth@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:45 AM
 Subject: [k5synth] K5 Parts Unit
   
    Well, I give up.  After having the memory battery replaced, it now just puts up garbled characters on the screen or nothing at all kinda like when I got it.  Too much time into this beast.  I give up.  If anyone out there in K5 land needs a parts unit or wants to deal with this thing let me know.  I feel like $10 for the unit is fair and you pay the shipping (which is what will kill us both haha).  I apologize if this is posted in the wrong place but I after coming so far and being shoved backward off a cliff, I am beyond p&(*$ed and just want this thing out of my house and hopefully into a home that will get something out of it.  We can work out the details if I hear something.  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Synths whose displays were interchangeable with their el versions like the Korg i3 and 01w, are not always compatible in their led upgrade versions even though the controller language is the same. So if you want to try the led displays I have on your  K5 and give feedback to me you could have the led display and I would be able to verify that it works. My feeling is it will probably work but if it doesn't, it would probably just be a question of cutting a trace somewhere or adding a resistor. 

      From: "janegimble75@... [k5synth]" <k5synth@yahoogroups.com>
 To: k5synth@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 5:50 PM
 Subject: [k5synth] Re: K5 Parts Unit
   
    Hi Mo, The screen was working okay and displaying characters properly when I got it.  The EL backlight was burned out and yep could hear the high pitch squeal of the inverter that everyone mentions.  Hopefully the replacements have a modern LED backlight that does not require high voltage and can just draw from the normal 5V or 12V that is usually floating around.  This guy has some replacement screens http://www.ebay.com/itm/BACKLIGHT-LUZ-DE-PANTALLA-O1W-o1w-K2000-MPC-K5-i3-T3-A80-more-NEW-LOWER-PRICE/271057465604?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649and I have bought from them before to repair my MC505 no problemo.  I would look to something like that as I was eventually planning on getting rid of the inverter board and the noise as it was not necessary for operation.  Thankfully this is a model that is dotmatrix vs proprietary LCD chars so there are options.  I would have to look to see if it is serial or parallel but guessing it is parallel due to age of the unit.  I would be happy to test out your replacement screen for you, I just hope it would not be cost/time prohibitive to you and your K5.  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Are you sure you have loaded proper SysEx data? Does instrument make sounds?

Daniel Forro

P.S.: Here is good web page about K5 with lot of info:

http://www.kfuenf.org <http://www.kfuenf.org/>

P.P.S.: If you are in Japan, I can be interested in your instrument :-)

> On Aug 17, 2017, at 23:45, janegimble75@... <mailto:janegimble75@...> [k5synth] <k5synth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:k5synth@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
> 
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> 
> Well, I give up.  After having the memory battery replaced, it now just puts up garbled characters on the screen or nothing at all kinda like when I got it.  Too much time into this beast.  I give up.  If anyone out there in K5 land needs a parts unit or wants to deal with this thing let me know.  I feel like $10 for the unit is fair and you pay the shipping (which is what will kill us both haha).  I apologize if this is posted in the wrong place but I after coming so far and being shoved backward off a cliff, I am beyond p&(*$ed and just want this thing out of my house and hopefully into a home that will get something out of it.  We can work out the details if I hear something.  Thanks.  
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> On Aug 18, 2017, at 21:11, janegimble75@... [k5synth] <k5synth@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> Thank you for the info but I tried his sysex (and Alesis's, MIDIQuest, Opcode, Cakewalk, SMF thru Cubase, MidiOX etc) loader to no avail including slowing transmission rates and millisecond delay.  I could never get any ack signals from the K5 but is would send all other midi messages..

So if you couldn’t load the RAM with proper SysEx data for patches, this can be the reason for the garbage on the display. Display itself can be OK. Unfortunately K5 has no reset, so the only possibility is to load proper data through MIDI.

>  Yes it is a great site :)  The button cleaning guide is top notch.  Sorry, I live in the US.  As you can imagine, shipping would require a second mortgage haha.  There is a synth guy on US ebay from Japan that has allllllllllll of the synths.  I would hit him up.  If you can't find him let me know, but I am guessing he has one in pristine condition lying around.  I am always jealous of his offerings haha. I wish you luck and thank you for the info.

As I have two K5000W and K3 for additive sounds (plus lot of Yamaha FM/AFM stuff which can produce such sounds to some degree), I’m not forced to get K5, just if there’s some chance :-)

Japanese second hand shops are good source for instruments in good shape and for good prices, but until now I haven’t seen any Kawai there…

Daniel Forro

Do you have any other t6963c based displays from another synth that you could swap out as a pretest ?

      From: "janegimble75@... [k5synth]" <k5synth@yahoogroups.com>
 To: k5synth@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 8:02 AM
 Subject: [k5synth] Re: K5 Parts Unit
   
    Hi Mo, Yes I am familiar with what you are talking about.  I had to do something similar with a Roland I had at one point.  I would take you up on your offer, but am pretty sure it is a chip that was damaged during the battery swap.  I wouldn't want to waste your time and money if the display chip on the mobo is damaged and wouldn't ever display proper chars.  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Well you said it was working before. Can you post a picture of what it looks like now ? Maybe it will show something diagnosable

      From: "janegimble75@... [k5synth]" <k5synth@yahoogroups.com>
 To: k5synth@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 2:34 PM
 Subject: [k5synth] Re: K5 Parts Unit
   
    Mo, I do not have another to test with.  I will try doing some basic diagnostics tonight: continuity thru ribbon cable, display voltages, etc.  I don't have an Oscope for data but usually just check to see if it is pushing any voltage when changing functions.  Are their any pointers you can give or things to watch out for with this display?  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Sorry Mo I cannot get a decent picture. It does something slightly different every time it boots. Sometimes it is Matrix-style strings of vertically arranged @ ! ! @ @ @ $> and so forth alternating with a blank vertical column 1 character wide. It then fades to blank (not activated pixels) in about 1 second.  The whole thing from click of the power is 2 seconds long.  It sometimes goes to dark (all pixels activated) and just sits like that.  It seems the rest of the synth is working as I was able to play notes (thought the timbre was horrible lol).  I did find the schematic, so I will take a look at it tonight and double check the mobo around the battery area to make sure I didn't damage anything by accident.  I have found exposed wires in the parallel cables early on and covered/repaired them properly, but I should look further.  Whoever had it before me did some very elaborate chip to chip repairs but also did some garbage-level repairs, which complicates things. And the literal rat(s) that lived in the thing in dude's garage at some point.  There are many layers of possible fail in this bad boy haha.Any thoughts or insights are helpful and much appreciated :)  Yourself and the others are very nice to spend the time to help me out.  I REALLY wish I hadn't changed that battery, but it was starting to "sweat" and was dated 1984 so I thought it should be done smdh.  :(  Hope everyone has a good weekend and if anyone has seen something like that feel free to chime in. 

    On Friday, August 18, 2017 2:41 PM, "Mo Morgan lightsforsynths@... [k5synth]" <k5synth@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

     Well you said it was working before. Can you post a picture of what it looks like now ? Maybe it will show something diagnosable

      From: "janegimble75@... [k5synth]" <k5synth@yahoogroups.com>
 To: k5synth@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 2:34 PM
 Subject: [k5synth] Re: K5 Parts Unit
  
    Mo, I do not have another to test with.  I will try doing some basic diagnostics tonight: continuity thru ribbon cable, display voltages, etc.  I don't have an Oscope for data but usually just check to see if it is pushing any voltage when changing functions.  Are their any pointers you can give or things to watch out for with this display?  Thanks for the kind offers and help :)

Yes I still am interested

      From: "janegimble75@... [k5synth]" <k5synth@yahoogroups.com>
 To: k5synth@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:30 AM
 Subject: [k5synth] Re: K5 Parts Unit
   
    Yay I figured it out-display and all of k5 working again!  I feel like a horse's petoot.  I managed to nick a trace with my screwdriver while prying the battery and desoldering.  Got the trace figured out and soldered in a bridge wire and we are back in business!  Mo, if you still want me to test that display I am happy to do it :)  #yiv9435345554 #yiv9435345554 -- #yiv9435345554ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv9435345554 #yiv9435345554ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv9435345554 #yiv9435345554ygrp-mkp #yiv9435345554hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv9435345554 #yiv9435345554ygrp-mkp #yiv9435345554ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv9435345554 #yiv9435345554ygrp-mkp .yiv9435345554ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv9435345554 #yiv9435345554ygrp-mkp .yiv9435345554ad p {margin:0;}#yiv9435345554 #yiv9435345554ygrp-mkp .yiv9435345554ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv9435345554 #yiv9435345554ygrp-sponsor #yiv9435345554ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv9435345554 #yiv9435345554ygrp-sponsor #yiv9435345554ygrp-lc #yiv9435345554hd {margin:10px 0px;font-weight:700;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;}#yiv9435345554 #yiv9435345554ygrp-sponsor 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Hi Damian,I am going to hang onto it now.  If mods want to remove this post, it is fine with me.  You may have some luck with the other guy offering up parts k5 units :)  I am in the USA. 

    On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 8:43 PM, "Damian Davis luxvoltaire@... [k5synth]" <k5synth@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

     Hi there,
Which country are you in?
Regards
Damian Davis 

On 18 Aug 2017, at 12:45 am, janegimble75@yahoo.com [k5synth] <k5synth@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Well, I give up.  After having the memory battery replaced, it now just puts up garbled characters on the screen or nothing at all kinda like when I got it.  Too much time into this beast.  I give up.  If anyone out there in K5 land needs a parts unit or wants to deal with this thing let me know.  I feel like $10 for the unit is fair and you pay the shipping (which is what will kill us both haha).  I apologize if this is posted in the wrong place but I after coming so far and being shoved backward off a cliff, I am beyond p&(*$ed and just want this thing out of my house and hopefully into a home that will get something out of it.  We can work out the details if I hear something.  Thanks.