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Hi all!
Does anyone know, where I can check the sample rate and bit quantisation of the Hammerfall & where I can enable the monitoring function?
Cheers,
Gilles


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Hi Gilles,

> Does anyone know, where I can check the sample rate and bit
> quantisation of the Hammerfall & where I can enable the monitoring
> function?

??? What do you mean exactly? The Hammerfall goes up to 24bit 96 kHz
with its current drivers. You can enable monitoring in the driver
window... you know, the little pink hammer in the taskbar... on Win98
that is. They have free software on their site (www.rme-audio.com) which
you can use to check bit depth and much more! Check it out!

Cheerio,
Joeri
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Hi Joeri!
First of all thanks for your recommendation of the Hammerfall some months
ago, that card really kicks a***!!:-)) I am using the Asio Driver of the
Hammerfall, and I found now where you can enable the Sample Rate and the
Quantisation within LAPW (never used it before as I had an AW8 on 44.1 kHz),
but I tried the Monitor on Function  the Control Panel of the Hammerfall,
but it changed nothing. I now read that the Monitor function works with MME
(which I am not using currently) and ASIO 2.0. But AFAIK, Logic does not
support ASIO 2.0 until Version 4.2 or whatsoever, so is it possible that the
Monitor function with the ASIO drivers does only work if the host programm
supports Asio 2.0?? What are your experiences with the drivers: do you use
the MME or the ASIO drivers? I use the Asio with 16 tracks recording while
playing back 16 tracks: no problem! Is the latency of the MME driver bigger
than with Asio??
Would be nice to get some hints:-))
Cheers,
Gilles
P.S: Do you know a way to synchronize the Hammerfall with the AW8? I tried
to synchronize them via S/PDIF, but it did not work out (Hammerfall Master,
AW8 Slave & Hammerfall Slave, AW8 Master). Any issues??

> From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@...>

> ??? What do you mean exactly? The Hammerfall goes up to 24bit 96 kHz
> with its current drivers. You can enable monitoring in the driver
> window... you know, the little pink hammer in the taskbar... on Win98
> that is. They have free software on their site (www.rme-audio.com) which
> you can use to check bit depth and much more! Check it out!
>
> Cheerio,
> Joeri

>From: "Gilles Ruppert" <denise.ruppert@...>
>P.S: Do you know a way to synchronize the Hammerfall with the AW8? I tried
>to synchronize them via S/PDIF, but it did not work out (Hammerfall Master,
>AW8 Slave & Hammerfall Slave, AW8 Master). Any issues??

I don't have any Hammerfall card, but have you checked the "Audio Sync Mode"
for the AW8 in the synchronisation dialog?
Should be on " Digital S/P DIF" AFAIK.
And hm, maybe I'm telling the obvious again, are you sure there's some
proper information coming out of the Hammerfall's S/PDIF out?
Apart from that, on some systems it doesn't even seem to be necessary to
digitally sync certain cards with the AW8 (well, of course you shouldn't
route phase critical stereo tracks on different card's outs). A friend of
mine does that with a MOTU2408 and an AW8 without any problems. Apparently
this even works with longer audiofiles, maybe it's because the AW8 does that
MTC to samplerate correction thing.
Note: This friend of mine is like a timing master, he would certainly flip
out if the tracks would drift out from each other.

Sascha

Hi Sascha!
Thanks a lot for your Mail: it works now!!
First I switched theAW8 to Digital S/PDIF sync ( I obviously had forgotten
that one:-)), but it didn't work (wrong sample rate recognition etc). Then I
put the sync mode to Free, (although I was a little bit sceptic, I must
admit) but this works great! I recorded about 15 minutes click, copied over
to the AW8 output, let these 15 minutes run parrelell on the 2 devices and
they were not drifting! The sync is not good enough to erase when switching
the phase of one of the 2 devices, but for non stereo signals, the sync is
good enough!!
I think it is quite funny that the "standard"way of synchronizing does not
work, but the "wrong" way does ;-))
Thanks for your advice & cheers,
Gilles
P.S: Who would have thought 10 years ago that you can get 16 Input, 24
output Studio with mixing facilities for about 10.000 DM?? :-))


> From: "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@...>
>
>
> I don't have any Hammerfall card, but have you checked the "Audio Sync
Mode"
> for the AW8 in the synchronisation dialog?
> Should be on " Digital S/P DIF" AFAIK.
> And hm, maybe I'm telling the obvious again, are you sure there's some
> proper information coming out of the Hammerfall's S/PDIF out?
> Apart from that, on some systems it doesn't even seem to be necessary to
> digitally sync certain cards with the AW8 (well, of course you shouldn't
> route phase critical stereo tracks on different card's outs). A friend of
> mine does that with a MOTU2408 and an AW8 without any problems. Apparently
> this even works with longer audiofiles, maybe it's because the AW8 does
that

> MTC to samplerate correction thing.
> Note: This friend of mine is like a timing master, he would certainly flip
> out if the tracks would drift out from each other.
>
> Sascha
>
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At 02:06  1/03/00 +0100, you wrote:

>P.S: Who would have thought 10 years ago that you can get 16 Input, 24
>output Studio with mixing facilities for about 10.000 DM?? :-))

I am interested in the Hammerfall too -- I would be interested to know what
a/d d d/a interfaces Hammerfall owners are going for. I don't have a
digital mixer or ADAT/DA88 unit so I would be looking at banks of
converters liket the RME 8x8 or similar. Any recommendations on cost vs
quality would be much appreciated. BTW I assume that the digital mixer
route is more expensive -- is there any compelling reason to do this if you
basically want this setup as a front end for Logic?

Hi,

> I am interested in the Hammerfall too

I can recommend it and obviously other people like it as well. :)

> -- I would be interested to know what
> a/d d d/a interfaces Hammerfall owners are going for.

Digital Ramsa DA7 mixer with Adat card.

> I don't have a
> digital mixer or ADAT/DA88 unit so I would be looking at banks of
> converters liket the RME 8x8 or similar.

The RME's AD/DA's are GREAT, but quite expensive... mostly because they
have such great specs and perfect analog circuitry. Of course you could
go for Apogee as well, but then you might as well buy a digital desk and
use its converters (which adds an entire desk to the AD/DA stuff :).

> BTW I assume that the digital mixer
> route is more expensive -- is there any compelling reason to do this
> if you
> basically want this setup as a front end for Logic?

Well, I was going to buy the RME AD/DA as well, but then I looked at the
price and saw that if I paid 3 times as much as the AD/DA, I'd have an
entire digital desk. This desk doesn't only offer you AD/DA in good
quality, but also gates, compressors and 4band EQ on every channel, so
that's worth the investment. Next to that, I use it to control the audio
mixing of Logic as well: I use its faders and knobs to control Logic and
it works nicely. I'm happy with my setup and it works fine.

Cheerio,
Joeri
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Hi Gilles,

> P.S: Who would have thought 10 years ago that you can get 16 Input, 24
>
> output Studio with mixing facilities for about 10.000 DM?? :-))

I agree, but last Sunday I was able to attain a recording session with a
Protools Mix Plus Plus (yep, that's 2 times mix plus!) with ProControl
and I must say that I was impressed. A pity it's so expensive, but it's
like an entire studio inside your computer. Looooovely.

Cheerio,
Joeri
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Heya,

> but I tried the Monitor on Function  the Control Panel of the
> Hammerfall,
> but it changed nothing. I now read that the Monitor function works
> with MME
> (which I am not using currently) and ASIO 2.0. But AFAIK, Logic does
> not
> support ASIO 2.0 until Version 4.2 or whatsoever,

??? Why wouldn't ASIO 2.0 be supported? I think it works right now.
Monitoring over here is without any latency (because of their direct
hardware monitoring).

> What are your experiences with the drivers: do you use
> the MME or the ASIO drivers?

ASIO! Asio has much smaller latency. I'm at 12 ms witout any problems
right now.

> I use the Asio with 16 tracks recording while
> playing back 16 tracks: no problem!

I mostly don't have to record that much, but I'm often working with
session that have 24 or more audio tracks (which are then routed to the
available outputs).

> Is the latency of the MME driver bigger
> than with Asio??

Yep.

Cheerio,
Joeri
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Hi Murray!
I personally chose the Fostex VC-8. It is 20 bit, up to 96 kHz. You can look
up further Spec at
http://www.fostex.co.jp/int/pages/products/access/cop2.htm.
The quality of these converters is good enough for me. It has 8 I/O in Cinch
(asymetrical), Adat I/O (lightpipe) and a Wordclock in. I bought them in
Germany for 599 DM (ca. 194\ufffd, 309$). You also get symmetrical converts but
they are nearly the double price, and I personnally do not have any cables
exceding 5 meters and I have no problems with hum etc. My testing till now
just says: What a great card and that the converters are also very good,
looking at the price (IMO, they are not worse than those of the Motu 2408,
and better than those of the Terratec EWS 88 MT)
Hope this helps,
Gilles

> From: Murray McDowall <murraymc@...>
>
> I am interested in the Hammerfall too -- I would be interested to know
what
> a/d d d/a interfaces Hammerfall owners are going for. I don't have a
> digital mixer or ADAT/DA88 unit so I would be looking at banks of
> converters liket the RME 8x8 or similar. Any recommendations on cost vs
> quality would be much appreciated. BTW I assume that the digital mixer
> route is more expensive -- is there any compelling reason to do this if
you
> basically want this setup as a front end for Logic?

> ??? Why wouldn't ASIO 2.0 be supported? I think it works right now.
> Monitoring over here is without any latency (because of their direct
> hardware monitoring).

Well I don't exactely know where I read this (possibly the German Keys
magazin), but I thought that LAWP 4.14 does not support Asio 2.0 yet ?!? But
if it does, I can't really see where my mistake lies:
I have Monitor switched on in the Hammerfall settings, and my outputs are
routed in the correct way and not muted ;-). I think I will have to spend
some more time to fix this.
Thanks anyway :-)
Gilles

>From: "Gilles Ruppert" <denise.ruppert@...>
>Thanks a lot for your Mail: it works now!!

Great!

>First I switched theAW8 to Digital S/PDIF sync ( I obviously had forgotten
>that one:-)), but it didn't work (wrong sample rate recognition etc).

Ok, you should perhaps try that again (even if it works allready, perhaps
one day you would like to have more accurate sync).
The thing is (I consider this to be a bit "buggy") that I also get those
errors pretty often, but they allways just occur immediately after I
switched some sync settings.
As soon as I reboot my PC (just rebooting Logic might help as well, but
apparently not all the time) all problems are gone (and the new settings
actually work after that).
Of course this is a little irritating, as Logic doesn't ask for a reboot,
but as said, over here it helps most of the time.

>P.S: Who would have thought 10 years ago that you can get 16 Input, 24
>output Studio with mixing facilities for about 10.000 DM?? :-))

Yeah, incredibly great thing, thumbs up to the dudes at Intel/Motorola and
Emagic.

Sascha

Hi,

> Well I don't exactely know where I read this (possibly the German Keys
>
> magazin), but I thought that LAWP 4.14 does not support Asio 2.0 yet
> ?!?

Which issue? I'll look it up tonight.

> I have Monitor switched on in the Hammerfall settings, and my outputs
> are
> routed in the correct way and not muted ;-).

Monitoring "on", outputs routed in the correct way and not muted...
hmmm... what exactly do you expect to happen? Please mail me privately
as I think this is getting very specific for this list. ;-) I'll try to
help you out... if I can.

Cheerio,
Joeri
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