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Quantized or penciled? Do you actually play the parts, then quantize to 
percentages? i find with drums in particular I must play them in - 
although I will make 40 takes if I have to get the right one.

Another question I have... do they use audio drum loops or midi? Do they 
layer two different drum parts on top of each other?  I know BT and Moby 
are  using midi because he breaks and rolls - although other stuff by 
Moby seems to be audio loops.


>VERY very quantized. I often do trance stuff and most things are quantized in
>some way.

--- In logic-ot@y..., GAmoore@a... wrote:
> Quantized or penciled? Do you actually play the parts, then quantize 
to 
> percentages? i find with drums in particular I must play them in - 
> although I will make 40 takes if I have to get the right one.

me too.

df

At 04:19 AM 16/06/01 +0000, David Floyd wrote:
>--- In logic-ot@y..., GAmoore@a... wrote:
>> Quantized or penciled? Do you actually play the parts, then quantize 
>to 
>> percentages? i find with drums in particular I must play them in - 
>> although I will make 40 takes if I have to get the right one.
>
>me too.
>
>df

How do you prefer to do this -- with midi drum pads or the keyboard? i have
read that Frank Zappa used a Roland Octapad to enter parts for film scores.

Regards,
Murray

--- In logic-ot@y..., Murray McDowall <murraymc@m...> wrote:

> >--- In logic-ot@y..., GAmoore@a... wrote:
i find with drums in particular I must play them in 

> At 04:19 AM 16/06/01 +0000, David Floyd wrote:
> >me too.

> How do you prefer to do this -- with midi drum pads or the keyboard? 
i have
> read that Frank Zappa used a Roland Octapad to enter parts for film 
scores.

I have to use my keyboard right now, but I would like to get a 
"Drumcat" for this, I'm wearing my keyboard out. The older Octapad 
doesn't have the dynamic resolution needed, the first ones only seven 
points of velocity differences, I not sure about the later ones. 
"Drumcats" are much better for that, I think all 127 points of dynamic 
resolution.

df

--- In logic-ot@y..., david@f... wrote:
> --- In logic-ot@y..., GAmoore@a... wrote:
> > Quantized or penciled? Do you actually play the parts, then quantize 
> to 
> > percentages? i find with drums in particular I must play them in - 
> > although I will make 40 takes if I have to get the right one.
> 
> me too.

Not me. I like to pencil drum parts.
Most of the time I will start with either the kick sequence or the hi-hat sequence. The hi-hat part is easy to make variations to once you know what you want. In most case I'll randomize the quantization within 10 to 15%. And then after that do accents, by maxing on the beat I'd like the hi-hat to be loud.
With the kick it mostly the 1 and the 3 of a 4/4 bar that are loud. This depends on if I'm doing some drum n bass stuff or not. Rock stuff is mostly in this 1-and-3 fashion.
What is also cool is the following: once you have a 2 bar or 4 bar sequence for the hi-hat, try moving the notes just a couple of ticks using the Event float.
Another radical technique is to try swapping one bar of notes with the another bar, like fe. the 1st bar with the 2nd in a 2 bar sequence.

Some of these techniques I've learnt by watching what drum n bass artists do with their drum parts. I've got a Yamaha Cs1x synth and there were quite a lot of midi/syx files floating on the net for this synth. I just downloaded a couple of them, to see how people write those ripping drum rolls and got more ideas by listening to these XG compatible files. Some cool stuff that can be done with XG modules, btw. Put a wah-wah fx on a drum part, and you've got instant Bootsy Collins.

As for other synth parts, I find myself pencilling more and more. Unless there's a groove going on in a song I'm working on, most parts get pencilled in. And if I try to play something, I'll end up adjusting some of the velocity afterwards.

Hoping to keep this thread alive, :-),
Yoonchi.

--- In logic-ot@y..., yoonchi@c... wrote:

> > --- In logic-ot@y..., GAmoore@a... wrote:
i find with drums in particular I must play them in 

> --- In logic-ot@y..., david@f... wrote:
> > me too.
>
 
> Not me. I like to pencil drum parts.
> Most of the time I will start with either the kick sequence or the 
hi-hat sequence. The hi-hat part is easy to make variations to once 
you know what you want. In most case I'll randomize the quantization 
within 10 to 15%. And then after that do accents, by maxing on the 
beat I'd like the hi-hat to be loud.
> With the kick it mostly the 1 and the 3 of a 4/4 bar that are loud. 
This depends on if I'm doing some drum n bass stuff or not. Rock stuff 
is mostly in this 1-and-3 fashion.
> What is also cool is the following: once you have a 2 bar or 4 bar 
sequence for the hi-hat, try moving the notes just a couple of ticks 
using the Event float.
> Another radical technique is to try swapping one bar of notes with 
the another bar, like fe. the 1st bar with the 2nd in a 2 bar 
sequence.
> 
> Some of these techniques I've learnt by watching what drum n bass 
artists do with their drum parts.
> As for other synth parts, I find myself pencilling more and more.

That would be too time consuming for me, I think. But it's whatever it 
takes to get it right. I'd like to hear some things that you done that 
way, to see for myself what the end result is. Maybe you can put 
something up at Rocket, that is a good example of what you get 
doing it that way.


df

> Not me. I like to pencil drum parts.

I play them, then quantize.
By the way, I forgot to say that I use almost all quantization features in the extended parameters of the arrange. I like to quantize velocities etc too.

As for synths, for those trancy arp lines, I tend to program the synth this way that velocity changes the crossmodulation/frequency modulation. I then play a rhythm with it e.g. and afterwards pencil all the 16ths between my rhythm (sometimes one octave lower e.g.) and then I lower the velocity of those pencilled notes: this gives you a nice arp with accents in FM etc. Works very well.

Bye,
Joeri
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--- In logic-ot@y..., david@f... wrote:
> --- In logic-ot@y..., yoonchi@c... wrote:
> 
> > > --- In logic-ot@y..., GAmoore@a... wrote:
> i find with drums in particular I must play them in 
> 
> > --- In logic-ot@y..., david@f... wrote:
> > > me too.
> >
>  
> > Not me. I like to pencil drum parts.
> That would be too time consuming for me, I think. But it's whatever it 
> takes to get it right. I'd like to hear some things that you done that 
> way, to see for myself what the end result is. Maybe you can put 
> something up at Rocket, that is a good example of what you get 
> doing it that way.

Sounds more time consuming than it really is. Once you get one or two bars done, the rest is like a second nature to me.
I will upload some samples as soon as the singer has done her part, and I've finished mixing/mastering the tracks.
Yoonchi.