Lpc2000

I think yahoo has offered a quality product allowing us to host these 
great discussion groups. However I believe we have (for sometime now) 
grown beyond a simple yahoo group. Plus with the limits on file uploads 
and the annoying advertisements it isn't exactly ideal.

I would like to start a thread on setting up a community run (no 
commercial sponsoring) site devoted to the LPC2000 family. In fact, due to 
the overwhelming popularity of the other ARM7 variants, an ARM7 site would 
be ideal.

I believe I have a solution. A while ago I registered arm7.org with the 
intention of hosting my build scripts plus other ARM7 documentation and 
information pertaining to ARM7 (see my site at rod.info/arm.html for more 
info on my scripts and other links).

Instead, what I think would be very beneficial for the ARM7 community as a 
whole, would be to create a CMS (content management system) with email 
discussion groups, wikis and file hosting. With such a site all of the 
yahoo groups could be moved over to a limit and advertising free 
environment.

I have a virtual dedicated server at an ISP with lots of disk space and 
bandwidth. I would be willing to lead the administration of such a site if 
I could get people interested in helping out.

One thing I promise is to never elicit advertising through this site. If 
you know me, or have perused any of the websites I maintain (see rod.info 
for some links) you are aware that I am not commercially orientated (I 
don't even put links to my employer on my personal web site). We will of 
course have links to ARM7 commercial ventures, yet there wouldn't be any 
commercial sponsoring (i.e. paid advertising).

The first thing I would like to do is canvass this list to find if there 
is general support for such an idea.

The next step would be to find volunteers with LAMP (Linux Apache MySQL 
PHP) experience who are interested in helping administrate the server (for 
starters you would get shell access on a Linux box).

After that the volunteers and I would select a CMS system to provide the 
basis for this site. And then we will see where it goes from there!

Please let me know what you think.

- Rod

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Rod Moffitt wrote:

>I think yahoo has offered a quality product allowing us to host these 
>great discussion groups. However I believe we have (for sometime now) 
>grown beyond a simple yahoo group. Plus with the limits on file uploads 
>and the annoying advertisements it isn't exactly ideal.
>  
>
Only if you access the web pages which I very rarely do.

>I would like to start a thread on setting up a community run (no 
>commercial sponsoring) site devoted to the LPC2000 family. In fact, due to 
>the overwhelming popularity of the other ARM7 variants, an ARM7 site would 
>be ideal.
>  
>
Overwhelming popularity of others ?
Your not referring to atmels claim to have the most popular arm7 devices ?

My view is the lpc21xxx's are very popular especially with hobbiests 
and  others
especially due to the reasonably easy availability and free tools.
Where as other manufacturers discourage hobbiests and non-large 
companies from using their products.

>I believe I have a solution. A while ago I registered arm7.org with the 
>intention of hosting my build scripts plus other ARM7 documentation and 
>information pertaining to ARM7 (see my site at rod.info/arm.html for more 
>info on my scripts and other links).
>  
>

No thanks, I think this group is going along very nicely as it is.

Probably would be a good idea to have say an arm7 or even arm  site 
(armfreaks)
but you would have to keep it manufacturer neutral.

Would be a fair buit of work, keeping a site like that up to date.

>Instead, what I think would be very beneficial for the ARM7 community as a 
>whole, would be to create a CMS (content management system) with email 
>discussion groups, wikis and file hosting. With such a site all of the 
>yahoo groups could be moved over to a limit and advertising free 
>environment.
>  
>
These all already exist, just not in one central spot and not controlled 
by one person, which
I think is probably the better way to have it.

avrfreaks is similar to what you suggest as is www.at91.com
both are funded directly by atmel.

It could work if done properly.
Still prefer to keep this group as is rather than use a forum format 
like avrfreaks etc
Also allows people who can't access web pages due to employer filters etc
to post and read without problems.

With regard to wikis, it is a good idea to mirror them.
Especially if the server goes down and there aren't any backups
(like what happened to the gfortran(gnu fortran 90/95 compiler) wiki 
last week)

The gnu arm site is now quite well mirrored.

Alex

>I have a virtual dedicated server at an ISP with lots of disk space and 
>bandwidth. I would be willing to lead the administration of such a site if 
>I could get people interested in helping out.
>
>One thing I promise is to never elicit advertising through this site. If 
>you know me, or have perused any of the websites I maintain (see rod.info 
>for some links) you are aware that I am not commercially orientated (I 
>don't even put links to my employer on my personal web site). We will of 
>course have links to ARM7 commercial ventures, yet there wouldn't be any 
>commercial sponsoring (i.e. paid advertising).
>
>The first thing I would like to do is canvass this list to find if there 
>is general support for such an idea.
>
>The next step would be to find volunteers with LAMP (Linux Apache MySQL 
>PHP) experience who are interested in helping administrate the server (for 
>starters you would get shell access on a Linux box).
>
>After that the volunteers and I would select a CMS system to provide the 
>basis for this site. And then we will see where it goes from there!
>
>Please let me know what you think.
>
>- Rod
>
>  
>

The LPC2000 Yahoo group is very good, however on  certain days, up to 
50% of the postings are related to eCOS...
Why is this?
Jane

Alex Gibson wrote:

> Rod Moffitt wrote:
>
> >I think yahoo has offered a quality product allowing us to host these
> >great discussion groups. However I believe we have (for sometime now)
> >grown beyond a simple yahoo group. Plus with the limits on file uploads
> >and the annoying advertisements it isn't exactly ideal.
> > 
> >
> Only if you access the web pages which I very rarely do.
>
> >I would like to start a thread on setting up a community run (no
> >commercial sponsoring) site devoted to the LPC2000 family. In fact, 
> due to
> >the overwhelming popularity of the other ARM7 variants, an ARM7 site 
> would
> >be ideal.
> > 
> >
> Overwhelming popularity of others ?
> Your not referring to atmels claim to have the most popular arm7 devices ?
>
> My view is the lpc21xxx's are very popular especially with hobbiests
> and  others
> especially due to the reasonably easy availability and free tools.
> Where as other manufacturers discourage hobbiests and non-large
> companies from using their products.
>
> >I believe I have a solution. A while ago I registered arm7.org with the
> >intention of hosting my build scripts plus other ARM7 documentation and
> >information pertaining to ARM7 (see my site at rod.info/arm.html for 
> more
> >info on my scripts and other links).
> > 
> >
>
> No thanks, I think this group is going along very nicely as it is.
>
> Probably would be a good idea to have say an arm7 or even arm  site
> (armfreaks)
> but you would have to keep it manufacturer neutral.
>
> Would be a fair buit of work, keeping a site like that up to date.
>
> >Instead, what I think would be very beneficial for the ARM7 community 
> as a
> >whole, would be to create a CMS (content management system) with email
> >discussion groups, wikis and file hosting. With such a site all of the
> >yahoo groups could be moved over to a limit and advertising free
> >environment.
> > 
> >
> These all already exist, just not in one central spot and not controlled
> by one person, which
> I think is probably the better way to have it.
>
> avrfreaks is similar to what you suggest as is www.at91.com
> both are funded directly by atmel.
>
> It could work if done properly.
> Still prefer to keep this group as is rather than use a forum format
> like avrfreaks etc
> Also allows people who can't access web pages due to employer filters etc
> to post and read without problems.
>
> With regard to wikis, it is a good idea to mirror them.
> Especially if the server goes down and there aren't any backups
> (like what happened to the gfortran(gnu fortran 90/95 compiler) wiki
> last week)
>
> The gnu arm site is now quite well mirrored.
>
> Alex
>
> >I have a virtual dedicated server at an ISP with lots of disk space and
> >bandwidth. I would be willing to lead the administration of such a 
> site if
> >I could get people interested in helping out.
> >
> >One thing I promise is to never elicit advertising through this site. If
> >you know me, or have perused any of the websites I maintain (see 
> rod.info
> >for some links) you are aware that I am not commercially orientated (I
> >don't even put links to my employer on my personal web site). We will of
> >course have links to ARM7 commercial ventures, yet there wouldn't be any
> >commercial sponsoring (i.e. paid advertising).
> >
> >The first thing I would like to do is canvass this list to find if there
> >is general support for such an idea.
> >
> >The next step would be to find volunteers with LAMP (Linux Apache MySQL
> >PHP) experience who are interested in helping administrate the server 
> (for
> >starters you would get shell access on a Linux box).
> >
> >After that the volunteers and I would select a CMS system to provide the
> >basis for this site. And then we will see where it goes from there!
> >
> >Please let me know what you think.
> >
> >- Rod
> >
> > 
> >
>
>
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--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, Rod Moffitt <rodlist@r...> wrote:
> I think yahoo has offered a quality product allowing us to host these 
> great discussion groups. However I believe we have (for sometime now) 
> grown beyond a simple yahoo group. Plus with the limits on file 
uploads 
> and the annoying advertisements it isn't exactly ideal.
> 
> I would like to start a thread on setting up a community run (no 
> commercial sponsoring) site devoted to the LPC2000 family. In fact, 
due to 
> the overwhelming popularity of the other ARM7 variants, an ARM7 site 
would 
> be ideal.

It can actually be done by a manufacturer. I'm using the Microchip 
dsPIC and I've been very impressed by the Microchip user forums on 
their web site. Philips has tried this themselves, but their version 
isn't a patch on Microchip's, and simply doesn't work. I think that 
Microchip's site is successful because of the way they have broken it 
down into categories for the various chip families and tools. I've had 
a much more rapid response from other users on the forums with my 
queries than I've had by posting them officially to Microchip support.

Leon

If anybody at Philips want to improve their online forums, please, please
make it available as mailinglist too (or better: a mailing list and a good
online archive with good search facilities). Mailinglists have many
advantages compared to stupid web forums. You can see it with this yahoo
group - I guess most of the people here use the mailinglist feature of
yahoogroups and not the webpages. 

Matthias

On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 08:12:04AM -0000, leon_heller wrote:
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, Rod Moffitt <rodlist@r...> wrote:
> > I think yahoo has offered a quality product allowing us to host these 
> > great discussion groups. However I believe we have (for sometime now) 
> > grown beyond a simple yahoo group. Plus with the limits on file 
> uploads 
> > and the annoying advertisements it isn't exactly ideal.
> > 
> > I would like to start a thread on setting up a community run (no 
> > commercial sponsoring) site devoted to the LPC2000 family. In fact, 
> due to 
> > the overwhelming popularity of the other ARM7 variants, an ARM7 site 
> would 
> > be ideal.
> 
> It can actually be done by a manufacturer. I'm using the Microchip 
> dsPIC and I've been very impressed by the Microchip user forums on 
> their web site. Philips has tried this themselves, but their version 
> isn't a patch on Microchip's, and simply doesn't work. I think that 
> Microchip's site is successful because of the way they have broken it 
> down into categories for the various chip families and tools. I've had 
> a much more rapid response from other users on the forums with my 
> queries than I've had by posting them officially to Microchip support.
> 
> Leon
> 
> 
>

I have been following this yahoo group on LPC2xxx since end of last year,
and found it very informative. Since many other manufacturers are now
bringing out ARM7 based microcontrollers (Atmel, Motorola, OKI, etc), it
would be nice to be able to compare between devices of different
manufacturers or being able to discuss other options, surpassing the LPC2xxx
family. For instance I would be very interested to know about
performance/features/tools/experiences for the AT91 MCU's from Atmel.

 

Personally, I find the www.avrfreaks.net <http://www.avrfreaks.net/>
website (dedicated to Atmel's AVR series of MCU's) a good example of what
could be a website for ARM7 based MCU's.

 

Rudy Van Raemdonck

Modeltech

 

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From: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpc2000@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Matthias Weingart
Sent: zaterdag 30 april 2005 10:22
To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: yahoo: is it time for a change?

 

If anybody at Philips want to improve their online forums, please, please
make it available as mailinglist too (or better: a mailing list and a good
online archive with good search facilities). Mailinglists have many
advantages compared to stupid web forums. You can see it with this yahoo
group - I guess most of the people here use the mailinglist feature of
yahoogroups and not the webpages. 

Matthias

On Sat, Apr 30, 2005 at 08:12:04AM -0000, leon_heller wrote:
> --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, Rod Moffitt <rodlist@r...> wrote:
> > I think yahoo has offered a quality product allowing us to host these 
> > great discussion groups. However I believe we have (for sometime now) 
> > grown beyond a simple yahoo group. Plus with the limits on file 
> uploads 
> > and the annoying advertisements it isn't exactly ideal.
> > 
> > I would like to start a thread on setting up a community run (no 
> > commercial sponsoring) site devoted to the LPC2000 family. In fact, 
> due to 
> > the overwhelming popularity of the other ARM7 variants, an ARM7 site 
> would 
> > be ideal.
> 
> It can actually be done by a manufacturer. I'm using the Microchip 
> dsPIC and I've been very impressed by the Microchip user forums on 
> their web site. Philips has tried this themselves, but their version 
> isn't a patch on Microchip's, and simply doesn't work. I think that 
> Microchip's site is successful because of the way they have broken it 
> down into categories for the various chip families and tools. I've had 
> a much more rapid response from other users on the forums with my 
> queries than I've had by posting them officially to Microchip support.
> 
> Leon
> 
> 
> 



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Go for it if you want.  The community as a whole will make it 
successful (or not).  
James

--- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, Rod Moffitt <rodlist@r...> wrote:
> I think yahoo has offered a quality product allowing us to host 
these 
> great discussion groups. However I believe we have (for sometime 
now) 
> grown beyond a simple yahoo group. Plus with the limits on file 
uploads 
> and the annoying advertisements it isn't exactly ideal.
> 
> I would like to start a thread on setting up a community run (no 
> commercial sponsoring) site devoted to the LPC2000 family. In 
fact, due to 
> the overwhelming popularity of the other ARM7 variants, an ARM7 
site would 
> be ideal.
> 
> I believe I have a solution. A while ago I registered arm7.org 
with the 
> intention of hosting my build scripts plus other ARM7 
documentation and 
> information pertaining to ARM7 (see my site at rod.info/arm.html 
for more 
> info on my scripts and other links).
> 
> Instead, what I think would be very beneficial for the ARM7 
community as a 
> whole, would be to create a CMS (content management system) with 
email 
> discussion groups, wikis and file hosting. With such a site all of 
the 
> yahoo groups could be moved over to a limit and advertising free 
> environment.
> 
> I have a virtual dedicated server at an ISP with lots of disk 
space and 
> bandwidth. I would be willing to lead the administration of such a 
site if 
> I could get people interested in helping out.
> 
> One thing I promise is to never elicit advertising through this 
site. If 
> you know me, or have perused any of the websites I maintain (see 
rod.info 
> for some links) you are aware that I am not commercially 
orientated (I 
> don't even put links to my employer on my personal web site). We 
will of 
> course have links to ARM7 commercial ventures, yet there wouldn't 
be any 
> commercial sponsoring (i.e. paid advertising).
> 
> The first thing I would like to do is canvass this list to find if 
there 
> is general support for such an idea.
> 
> The next step would be to find volunteers with LAMP (Linux Apache 
MySQL 
> PHP) experience who are interested in helping administrate the 
server (for 
> starters you would get shell access on a Linux box).
> 
> After that the volunteers and I would select a CMS system to 
provide the 

> basis for this site. And then we will see where it goes from there!
> 
> Please let me know what you think.
> 
> - Rod
> 
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Hello,

> family. For instance I would be very interested to know about
> performance/features/tools/experiences for the AT91 MCU's from Atmel.

There is a group at least for AT91SAM7 :



Perhaps you can search for "AT91" in yahoo groups.
If it is not existing and you need such a group and you mean it is worth for
others, simply create a new group on yahoo !

Regards,

        Martin

AT91SAM7 is the group for AT91.  STR7 is the group for ST Micro STR7 (rather
inactive)

-----Original Message-----
From: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpc2000@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Martin Maurer
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 8:21 AM
To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: yahoo: is it time for a change?

Hello,

> family. For instance I would be very interested to know about 
> performance/features/tools/experiences for the AT91 MCU's from Atmel.

There is a group at least for AT91SAM7 :



Perhaps you can search for "AT91" in yahoo groups.
If it is not existing and you need such a group and you mean it is worth for
others, simply create a new group on yahoo !

Regards,

        Martin



 
Yahoo! Groups Links

At 11:03 AM 4/30/05 +0200, Modeltech wrote:
>Personally, I find the www.avrfreaks.net <http://www.avrfreaks.net/>
>website (dedicated to Atmel's AVR series of MCU's) a good example of what
>could be a website for ARM7 based MCU's.

Ugh, anything (just about) other than something modeled on avrfreaks.  Hmm, 
if file space is an issue, maybe we could get the ARMuC wiki expanded to 
include files?  Certainly it and the links area of yahoo group can point to 
other collections.

Robert

" 'Freedom' has no meaning of itself.  There are always restrictions,   be 
they legal, genetic, or physical.  If you don't believe me, try to chew a 
radio signal. "  -- Kelvin Throop, III
http://www.aeolusdevelopment.com/

At 08:37 AM 4/30/05 -0700, Curt Powell wrote:
>AT91SAM7 is the group for AT91.  STR7 is the group for ST Micro STR7 (rather
>inactive)

Also ADuC_ARM for the Analog Devices micros, similarly low in activity.

Robert

" 'Freedom' has no meaning of itself.  There are always restrictions,   be 
they legal, genetic, or physical.  If you don't believe me, try to chew a 
radio signal. "  -- Kelvin Throop, III
http://www.aeolusdevelopment.com/

At 10:21 AM 4/30/05 +0200, Matthias Weingart wrote:
>If anybody at Philips want to improve their online forums, please, please
>make it available as mailinglist too (or better: a mailing list and a good
>online archive with good search facilities). Mailinglists have many
>advantages compared to stupid web forums. You can see it with this yahoo
>group - I guess most of the people here use the mailinglist feature of
>yahoogroups and not the webpages.

I think the Philips forum has been far outstripped by this one, although I 
do agree on your sentiments about mailing lists versus web fora.

Robert

" 'Freedom' has no meaning of itself.  There are always restrictions,   be 
they legal, genetic, or physical.  If you don't believe me, try to chew a 
radio signal. "  -- Kelvin Throop, III
http://www.aeolusdevelopment.com/

> Overwhelming popularity of others ?
> Your not referring to atmels claim to have the most popular arm7 devices ?

I meant the popularity of ARM7 in general.

- Rod

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Thanks for all the wonderful feedback, I appreciate every little comment 
that you want to share.

From what I hear there are people who are suggesting an avrfreaks style 
site. Although I agree that the layout is good, I personally don't think a 
webforum-only system is very beneficial (as pointed out by many posters). 
I would suggest a webforum backed by SMTP (email) and maybe even NNTP 
(news groups), to increase the level of access to the forums.

I also do like the microchip forum system. It would be nice to emulate 
some of their features.

On the question of wikis, my suggestion was not to make the entire site a 
wiki, yet allow people to create and maintain wikis for specific topics. 
Many CMS systems support wikis along side the main web forms/mailing lists 
and other content.

- Rod

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Well, if I took the avrfreaks website as an example, it was not in the first
place for its layout (although I like it) because this is always a matter of
personal taste. What I find a plus on this website is the fact that it has
more than one forum, dedicated to several topics + it gives you an overview
on all devices (+ possibility of comparison of features), links to
datasheets, available tools (+ possibility of user rating), application
notes, etc, etc, etc.

 

I can imagine that to cover all ARM7 devices in the same way as for AVR
devices, will not be an easy job. The fact alone that ARM7 is licensed to
10+ manufacturers makes it much more complicated. On the other hand, this is
also a reason to bring together all this information to make such a
site/forum a good place to start from.

 

Good initiative. I hope it will succeed.

 

Regards,

 

Rudy Van Raemdonck

Modeltech

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From: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lpc2000@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Rod Moffitt
Sent: zaterdag 30 april 2005 19:25
To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [lpc2000] yahoo: is it time for a change?

 

Thanks for all the wonderful feedback, I appreciate every little comment 
that you want to share.

From what I hear there are people who are suggesting an avrfreaks style 
site. Although I agree that the layout is good, I personally don't think a 
webforum-only system is very beneficial (as pointed out by many posters). 
I would suggest a webforum backed by SMTP (email) and maybe even NNTP 
(news groups), to increase the level of access to the forums.

I also do like the microchip forum system. It would be nice to emulate 
some of their features.

On the question of wikis, my suggestion was not to make the entire site a 
wiki, yet allow people to create and maintain wikis for specific topics. 
Many CMS systems support wikis along side the main web forms/mailing lists 
and other content.

- Rod

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