Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

hi,
the mp-7 is acting nutz!
1. when i press the E key on the first octave it will just start
plaingit every two bars in whatever channel i pressed it. wether the
sequencer is playing or not. no midi signals are being sent in or out. - 
switching tracks stops this.

2. the data wheel jumps big time when i turn it to the right when
first touching it. when i turn left then turn right again, it usualy
goes back to normal.

3. she just froze on me! i drew the line. 

is a system initialization in order? i did all the diagnostics tests i
think, they all passed. i couldnt compare the crc checks with anything... 

is there anything else i should try before initializing?
if i do initialize should i back up my patterns presets and multi's?

I would bet initializing is in order BUT having recently done this myself, better think through the whole back-up bit very carefully, back up beyond what you might think, seq, user setups...and the part I forgot....any special user created sounds or wave them all good bye....

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--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@...> wrote:
> 1. when i press the E key on the first octave it will just start
> plaingit every two bars in whatever channel i pressed it. 
> wether the sequencer is playing or not. no midi signals are being
> sent in or out. -  switching tracks stops this.

Could be mechanical problem, OS problem, or user error. Try ruling out 
simple stuff before reinitializing. 
--Is there a trigger set up for that note?
--Try resetting to factory multisetup before reinitializing entire 
machine.

> 2. the data wheel jumps big time when i turn it to the right when
> first touching it. when i turn left then turn right again, it
> usualy goes back to normal.

Search archives for discussions on the "encoder."

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@> wrote:
> > 1. when i press the E key on the first octave it will just start
> > plaingit every two bars in whatever channel i pressed it. 
> > wether the sequencer is playing or not. no midi signals are being
> > sent in or out. -  switching tracks stops this.
> 
> Could be mechanical problem, OS problem, or user error. Try ruling 
out 
> simple stuff before reinitializing. 
> --Is there a trigger set up for that note?
> --Try resetting to factory multisetup before reinitializing entire 
> machine.


Dont think so. i know i didnt do it, probably. but the baby might 
have gotten to it. will have to check that out. dont have my mnual 
here.

do you know wich part of the menu i should look in?


 
> > 2. the data wheel jumps big time when i turn it to the right when
> > first touching it. when i turn left then turn right again, it
> > usualy goes back to normal.
> 
> Search archives for discussions on the "encoder."


i remember this being a famous problem. the last thing i remember is 
aaron suggestiong connector cleaner... will do a search for it.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, heyrag@... wrote:
>
> any special user created sounds or wave them all good bye....


so there's no way for me to back up my user rom preset settings?

Data wheel jump is usually an independent problem......they get dirty and need to be cleaned since they are not sealed.  Just use a good contact cleaner, I used Radio Shack 64-4315 Tuner Control Cleaner/Lubricant, sprayed into/down the top shaft after the knob was pulled off.  Also told a product called De-Ox works well.  I just cleaned 12 encoders yesterday on a Yamaha SU700 I just got....they were tight and erratic....now they feel & work like new....no skips....

Bob
El Segundo, CA

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: steve_the_composer 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 7:16 AM
  Subject: [xl7] Re: mp-7 is acting weird is it time for an initialization?


  --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@...> wrote:
  > 1. when i press the E key on the first octave it will just start
  > plaingit every two bars in whatever channel i pressed it. 
  > wether the sequencer is playing or not. no midi signals are being
  > sent in or out. - switching tracks stops this.

  Could be mechanical problem, OS problem, or user error. Try ruling out 
  simple stuff before reinitializing. 
  --Is there a trigger set up for that note?
  --Try resetting to factory multisetup before reinitializing entire 
  machine.

  > 2. the data wheel jumps big time when i turn it to the right when
  > first touching it. when i turn left then turn right again, it
  > usualy goes back to normal.

  Search archives for discussions on the "encoder."




   

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Silly, of course you can back all of it up via MIDI sysex.......

Bob
El Segundo, CA

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: malik 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 8:57 AM
  Subject: [xl7] Re: mp-7 is acting weird is it time for an initialization?


  --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, heyrag@... wrote:
  >
  > any special user created sounds or wave them all good bye....

  so there's no way for me to back up my user rom preset settings?



   

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cool will have to check that out

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@...> wrote:
>
> Data wheel jump is usually an independent problem......they get 
dirty and need to be cleaned since they are not sealed.  Just use a 
good contact cleaner, I used Radio Shack 64-4315 Tuner Control 
Cleaner/Lubricant, sprayed into/down the top shaft after the knob 
was pulled off.  Also told a product called De-Ox works well.  I 
just cleaned 12 encoders yesterday on a Yamaha SU700 I just 
got....they were tight and erratic....now they feel & work like 
new....no skips....
> 
> Bob
> El Segundo, CA
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: steve_the_composer 
>   To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 7:16 AM
>   Subject: [xl7] Re: mp-7 is acting weird is it time for an 
initialization?
> 
> 
>   --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@> wrote:
>   > 1. when i press the E key on the first octave it will just 
start
>   > plaingit every two bars in whatever channel i pressed it. 
>   > wether the sequencer is playing or not. no midi signals are 
being
>   > sent in or out. - switching tracks stops this.
> 
>   Could be mechanical problem, OS problem, or user error. Try 
ruling out 
>   simple stuff before reinitializing. 
>   --Is there a trigger set up for that note?
>   --Try resetting to factory multisetup before reinitializing 
entire 
>   machine.
> 
>   > 2. the data wheel jumps big time when i turn it to the right 
when

>   > first touching it. when i turn left then turn right again, it
>   > usualy goes back to normal.
> 
>   Search archives for discussions on the "encoder."
> 
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

#1 - you probably have an arpeggiator set up on that note.  either try to find it and turn it off, or just reset the factory multisetup at the end of the global menu.

#2 - yeah, the encoders suck.  all of mine jump like crazy.  like somebody said, contact cleaner is probably your best bet.  I still haven't fixed mine though.

#3 - froze how?  was it still playing stuff?  did you perhaps have a midi loop?  or perhaps jumping through list edit while recording or something (known bug)?  anyway, reinitializing won't help.

-Aaron

malik <malik_martin@...> wrote: hi,
the mp-7 is acting nutz!
1. when i press the E key on the first octave it will just start
plaingit every two bars in whatever channel i pressed it. wether the
sequencer is playing or not. no midi signals are being sent in or out. - 
switching tracks stops this.

2. the data wheel jumps big time when i turn it to the right when
first touching it. when i turn left then turn right again, it usualy
goes back to normal.

3. she just froze on me! i drew the line. 

is a system initialization in order? i did all the diagnostics tests i
think, they all passed. i couldnt compare the crc checks with anything... 

is there anything else i should try before initializing?
if i do initialize should i back up my patterns presets and multi's?

 				
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So, I just went back and took a look at the code (it's been years) and here's a rundown of what the three init methods do.
 
Restore Multisetup:
    reset all master parameters
        every setting in the Global menu (except tuning tables)
        every setting in the Controllers menu
         every setting in the Arp menu (except user arp patterns)
         every setting in the MIDI menu (except prog change to preset map)
     reset all channel parameters
        vol, pan, preset, arp status for all 32 channels

Init User Data except Seq:
    all of restore multisetup, plus
    overwrite all user presets with factory presets!
     erase all user arp patterns
    reset all tuning tables
    reset the program change to preset map

Init User Data:
    all of Init User Data except Seq, plus
    erase (not reset!) all patterns and songs (leaves them blank!)

As you can see, the diagnostic init methods don't do much more than restore multisetup, except that they get rid of user data like user presets, user arps, and all sequences.  They're really not meant to fix problems, they're meant to provide a way to erase all the previous owner's stuff.  Really, they're there only to provide a way to initialize the unit on the factory floor.  For all but reseting the user data, restore Factory Multisetup will do what you want (there's a reason it's called factory!)

-Aaron
 
 		
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Actually, you're probably in beats mode.  Check the 8th screen in the Arp menu (on the PX-7 it's labeled Arp/Beats) which is the BEATS MODE screen.  Set mode to "off" if you never intend to use the feature.  By default, it's in preset mode "P" which means if the preset you're on has an enhanced beats riff (prefixed with BTS) it will do the beating thing, otherwise it won't.  You can also define what keys do what in the next screen.

-Aaron

Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote: #1 - you probably have an arpeggiator set up on that note.  either try to find it and turn it off, or just reset the factory multisetup at the end of the global menu.

1. when i press the E key on the first octave it will just start
plaingit every two bars in whatever channel i pressed it. wether the
sequencer is playing or not. no midi signals are being sent in or out. - 
switching tracks stops this.

 		
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Thanks Aaron for the last few emails with a wealth of information.....after years I still am learning......

Bob
El Segundo, CA

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Aaron Eppolito 
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 10:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [xl7] mp-7 is acting weird is it time for an initialization?


  Actually, you're probably in beats mode. Check the 8th screen in the Arp menu (on the PX-7 it's labeled Arp/Beats) which is the BEATS MODE screen. Set mode to "off" if you never intend to use the feature. By default, it's in preset mode "P" which means if the preset you're on has an enhanced beats riff (prefixed with BTS) it will do the beating thing, otherwise it won't. You can also define what keys do what in the next screen.

  -Aaron

  Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote: #1 - you probably have an arpeggiator set up on that note. either try to find it and turn it off, or just reset the factory multisetup at the end of the global menu.

  1. when i press the E key on the first octave it will just start
  plaingit every two bars in whatever channel i pressed it. wether the
  sequencer is playing or not. no midi signals are being sent in or out. - 
  switching tracks stops this.


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ditto thanks a lot. that cleared some stuff up. when i get a chance 
to see if i've found a solution i'll let you know:)

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Aaron for the last few emails with a wealth of 
information.....after years I still am learning......
> 
> Bob
> El Segundo, CA
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Aaron Eppolito 
>   To: xl7@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 10:36 AM
>   Subject: Re: [xl7] mp-7 is acting weird is it time for an 
initialization?
> 
> 
>   Actually, you're probably in beats mode. Check the 8th screen in 
the Arp menu (on the PX-7 it's labeled Arp/Beats) which is the BEATS 
MODE screen. Set mode to "off" if you never intend to use the 
feature. By default, it's in preset mode "P" which means if the 
preset you're on has an enhanced beats riff (prefixed with BTS) it 
will do the beating thing, otherwise it won't. You can also define 
what keys do what in the next screen.
> 
>   -Aaron
> 
>   Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote: #1 - you probably have 
an arpeggiator set up on that note. either try to find it and turn 
it off, or just reset the factory multisetup at the end of the 
global menu.
> 
>   1. when i press the E key on the first octave it will just start
>   plaingit every two bars in whatever channel i pressed it. wether 
the
>   sequencer is playing or not. no midi signals are being sent in 
or out. - 
>   switching tracks stops this.
> 
> 
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thanks.
wow such a complicated machine...

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote:
>
> Actually, you're probably in beats mode.  Check the 8th screen in 
the Arp menu (on the PX-7 it's labeled Arp/Beats) which is the BEATS 
MODE screen.  Set mode to "off" if you never intend to use the 
feature.  By default, it's in preset mode "P" which means if the 
preset you're on has an enhanced beats riff (prefixed with BTS) it 
will do the beating thing, otherwise it won't.  You can also define 
what keys do what in the next screen.
> 
> -Aaron
> 
> Aaron Eppolito <synthesis77@...> wrote: #1 - you probably have an 
arpeggiator set up on that note.  either try to find it and turn it 
off, or just reset the factory multisetup at the end of the global 
menu.
> 
> 1. when i press the E key on the first octave it will just start
> plaingit every two bars in whatever channel i pressed it. wether 
the
> sequencer is playing or not. no midi signals are being sent in or 
out. - 
> switching tracks stops this.
> 
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