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RE: [AVR-Chat] Re: Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Dave VanHorn

At 12:58 PM 8/12/2004, Daniel Boyer wrote: >Final update I just rewired the circuit as per everyone's instructions >and it works perfectly! Thanks to everyone, >Daniel >KC9DAG Post your final! :)

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Re: Need Help with a circuit- ssr as opto

2004-08-12 by Dave Mucha

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, Dave VanHorn wrote: > At 01:36 PM 8/12/2004, Bruce Parham wrote: > > > >WTF! Who said anything about running it at 50 mA? I was using 10 mA as the example, that's 2x minimum for > >the LED and in limit for the AVR... > > The guaranteed full on cur

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Re: Need Help with a circuit - DIP SSR

2004-08-12 by Dave Mucha

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Boyer" wrote: > > > There isn't one. They are just IRleds, so as long as you have > > 2-3 volts across them, you'll be fine. > > Will 5V across them be okay, or do I need to do something to bring my 5v > down to around 3 just for the relay

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Re: Need Help with a circuit - soid state relay

2004-08-12 by Dave Mucha

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Astria Nur Irfansyah" wrote: > I am not familiar with solid state relays. Btw, which is > more important: current or voltage? I mean, what are the > requirements in order to close a relay? Enough voltage? or > enough current? As far as i know, if

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Re: Need Help with a circuit SSR

2004-08-12 by Dave Mucha

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, Dave VanHorn wrote: > > > > >> An SSR may still have a coil, with a small relay activating a large > >> triac. > > > >Yikes! That's an interesting concept of "Solid State Relay" :-) > > The output is not mechanical contacts, and the relay provides

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RE: [AVR-Chat] Re: Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Daniel Boyer

> Another issue is switching speed; the specs list 3 mS max for > turn-on and > turn-off with typ turn-on times around 1 mS. How fast are you > trying to > switch the relay? A 10 mS pulse should do it but 100 uS will > never make it... I've got 3 second turn on's so the switching

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Bruce Parham

Daniel Boyer wrote: > > > All of the SSRs I've ever used have a resistor, internally, > > in series with the LED and the input is rated by voltage or > > voltage range, i.e. 3-28V. Daniel, what > > is the input voltage and current requirements for the SSR you > > are using? > > F

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RE: [AVR-Chat] Re: Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Daniel Boyer

> There isn't one. They are just IRleds, so as long as you have > 2-3 volts across them, you'll be fine. Will 5V across them be okay, or do I need to do something to bring my 5v down to around 3 just for the relay?

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RE: [AVR-Chat] Re: Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Dave VanHorn

> I have looked over the >datasheet ( http://www.dpicts.com/Laa110.pdf ) many times and can not >find an input voltage anywhere. There isn't one. They are just IRleds, so as long as you have 2-3 volts across them, you'll be fine. From the spec, you may need anywhere from 5-50mA b

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RE: [AVR-Chat] Re: Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Daniel Boyer

> All of the SSRs I've ever used have a resistor, internally, > in series with the LED and the input is rated by voltage or > voltage range, i.e. 3-28V. Daniel, what > is the input voltage and current requirements for the SSR you > are using? First off the SSR that I am using is

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Dave VanHorn

> >Just for interest, SSR's have been around for 25 years or so. (Think of them as >opto-isolators with industrial strength AC or DC outputs.) A real SSR uses an >LED to drive a photo transistor or diode on the output side. This opto link >provides the input/output isolation. (If

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Bruce Parham

Bernd Felsche wrote: > > On Thursday 12 August 2004 11:00, Dave VanHorn wrote: > > At 09:57 PM 8/11/2004, kc9dag wrote: > > >> I think the problem is there are not enough current to > > >> drive the relay. > > > > > >oops, posted the wrong schematic... mine was still wrong, but I

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RE: [AVR-Chat] Re: Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Dave VanHorn

At 09:30 AM 8/12/2004, joseph torelli wrote: >I don't know if this will fit but google "uln28003a". This is a relay driver >chip. I has protection diodes built in. It can drive 8 relays or you can >parallel the output for higher current relays. You can control it right from >the

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RE: [AVR-Chat] Re: Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by joseph torelli

I don't know if this will fit but google "uln28003a". This is a relay driver chip. I has protection diodes built in. It can drive 8 relays or you can parallel the output for higher current relays. You can control it right from the output pins of the micro. JoeT -----Original Mess

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Paul Maddox

Daniel, > oops, posted the wrong schematic... mine was still wrong, but I did > have the transistor... The one I ment to post is > http://www.dpicts.com/Tiny15L-LaserDetector-2.jpg which has the > NPN, but I hooked up the transistor the way it is shown on page 3-2 > of the STK500

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Paul Maddox

Daniel, > I was wondering if someone would mind looking at the > schematic (http://www.dpicts.com/Tiny15L-LaserDetector.jpg) and > telling me what I am doing wrong? Ok, do yourself a favour and save your AVR from going 'BANG'. Put a diode across the relay coil, the wrong way roun

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RE: [AVR-Chat] OT: .DLL coded in Visual C++, called in VB6; HELP!

2004-08-12 by Felicity & Bruce

Hi, I haven't played with VB but this may be worth looking at. The above dll will be created with a C++ mangled export and VB may not understand it. To create the entry point with a standard C name add a .def file to the link process. Put this line in the project options for the

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Dave VanHorn

At 10:54 PM 8/11/2004, Astria Nur Irfansyah wrote: >I am not familiar with solid state relays. Btw, which is >more important: current or voltage? I mean, what are the >requirements in order to close a relay? Enough voltage? or >enough current? Current. Magnetic flux is amp-turns.

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Astria Nur Irfansyah

I am not familiar with solid state relays. Btw, which is more important: current or voltage? I mean, what are the requirements in order to close a relay? Enough voltage? or enough current? As far as i know, if i want to buy a relay at my favorite store, they will ask: how many vo

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Dave VanHorn

At 10:38 PM 8/11/2004, Jeffrey Engel wrote: >Dave, > >I'm sure you're right. >Didn't mean to spread any mis-information. Generally, you're right, but it pays to remember there are exceptions. :) Most relays are >10mA to pull in, and have coil voltages that would preclude the AVR'

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Jeffrey Engel

Dave, I'm sure you're right. Didn't mean to spread any mis-information. Jeff Engel Arlington, TX --- Dave VanHorn wrote: > At 10:29 PM 8/11/2004, Jeffrey Engel wrote: > > >Daniel, > > > >The AVR can't drive the relay directly. You'll > need a > >transistor (or something) to handl

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Dave VanHorn

At 10:29 PM 8/11/2004, Jeffrey Engel wrote: >Daniel, > >The AVR can't drive the relay directly. You'll need a >transistor (or something) to handle the current. Well, there are always exceptions. I've seen relays that close at

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Jeffrey Engel

Daniel, The AVR can't drive the relay directly. You'll need a transistor (or something) to handle the current. Jeff Engel Arlington, TX --- kc9dag wrote: > I have designed a circuit that works fine when I run > it on the > STK500, but when I tried to move the circuit to its > own

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Dave VanHorn

> >> An SSR may still have a coil, with a small relay activating a large >> triac. > >Yikes! That's an interesting concept of "Solid State Relay" :-) The output is not mechanical contacts, and the relay provides isolation. I've seen them, you can just barely hear the "click" if t

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Bernd Felsche

On Thursday 12 August 2004 11:00, Dave VanHorn wrote: > At 09:57 PM 8/11/2004, kc9dag wrote: > >> I think the problem is there are not enough current to > >> drive the relay. > > > >oops, posted the wrong schematic... mine was still wrong, but I did > >have the transistor... The

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Dave VanHorn

At 09:57 PM 8/11/2004, kc9dag wrote: >> I think the problem is there are not enough current to >> drive the relay. > >oops, posted the wrong schematic... mine was still wrong, but I did >have the transistor... The one I ment to post is >http://www.dpicts.com/Tiny15L-LaserDetector

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Astria Nur Irfansyah

I think the problem is there are not enough current to drive the relay. As far as i know, a microcontroller i/o pin should not drive (source/sink) too much current. Maybe you should use a transistor as a switch to drive the relay, and control that transistor using your i/o pin. Y

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Mike Murphree

On Aug 11, 2004, at 9:07 PM, kc9dag wrote: > I have designed a circuit that works fine when I run it on the > STK500, but when I tried to move the circuit to its own board (this > is the first time I have done an avr w/o using the STK500) it does > not work. I was wondering if so

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[AVR-Chat] Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by techy fellow

Since you mentioned you are using a relay instead of a Led on your actual circuit, could it be, there is insufficient 'juice' to active the relay on your actual circuit ? kc9dag wrote: I have designed a circuit that works fine when I run it on the STK500, but when I tried to move

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by Dave VanHorn

At 09:07 PM 8/11/2004, kc9dag wrote: >I have designed a circuit that works fine when I run it on the >STK500, but when I tried to move the circuit to its own board (this >is the first time I have done an avr w/o using the STK500) it does >not work. I was wondering if someone woul

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Re: Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by kc9dag

> I think the problem is there are not enough current to > drive the relay. oops, posted the wrong schematic... mine was still wrong, but I did have the transistor... The one I ment to post is http://www.dpicts.com/Tiny15L-LaserDetector-2.jpg which has the NPN, but I hooked up th

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Need Help with a circuit

2004-08-12 by kc9dag

I have designed a circuit that works fine when I run it on the STK500, but when I tried to move the circuit to its own board (this is the first time I have done an avr w/o using the STK500) it does not work. I was wondering if someone would mind looking at the schematic (http://w

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Re: [AVR-Chat] OT: .DLL coded in Visual C++, called in VB6; HELP!

2004-08-11 by Robert Adsett

At 04:02 PM 8/11/04 -0700, you wrote: >i need to get every bit of every character and transfer it to the previous >character. nokia phones only need 7-bits for a character. the 8th bit is >taken from the next byte of the next character. for example in the first >element of a stri

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Re: [AVR-Chat] OT: .DLL coded in Visual C++, called in VB6; HELP!

2004-08-11 by jay marante

i need to get every bit of every character and transfer it to the previous character. nokia phones only need 7-bits for a character. the 8th bit is taken from the next byte of the next character. for example in the first element of a string, the 8th bit of is masked, 0x7F, and th

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Re: [AVR-Chat] OT: .DLL coded in Visual C++, called in VB6; HELP!

2004-08-11 by Robert Adsett

At 03:25 PM 8/11/04 -0700, you wrote: >sorry for the OT but i really have a hard time making this program run. im >new in VB. > >i have a code done in VB6. now, i want to manipulate every element >(character) of a string variable. i want to shift its bits to the left. my >profess

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OT: .DLL coded in Visual C++, called in VB6; HELP!

2004-08-11 by jay marante

sorry for the OT but i really have a hard time making this program run. im new in VB. i have a code done in VB6. now, i want to manipulate every element (character) of a string variable. i want to shift its bits to the left. my professor told me that it can't be done in VB, inste

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problems with USART MPCM mode

2004-08-11 by Ionut Craoioveanu

hi i have a problem with a serial comunication on USART i need to use the multiprocessor mode but it doesn't work. the usart is set to give an interrupt, i'm using a 9bit frame, and the MPCM activated. the problem is that when i'm trying to comunicate with it ignores everything,

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Re: [AVR-Chat] JTAG interface works even without MCU clock

2004-08-10 by Mike Murphree

Graham Davies said: > Here is something I've learned by experience and verified with Atmel > support. If you have an AVR MCU that has JTAG support, you can get into > the device even if there is no MCU clock. You can't run and > debug a program, but you can get in to repair mis-s

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Re: JTAG interface works even without MCU clock

2004-08-10 by Graham Davies

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Murphree" wrote: > As a FPGA designer, this is not > surprising... One of the JTAG > signals *is* a clock ... That's true, but one of the signals of the other in-system programming interface (MOSI/MISO/SCK) is a clock too, so I don't think i

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JTAG interface works even without MCU clock

2004-08-10 by Graham Davies

Here is something I've learned by experience and verified with Atmel support. If you have an AVR MCU that has JTAG support, you can get into the device even if there is no MCU clock. You can't run and debug a program, but you can get in to repair mis-set clock selection fuses. Is

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: avrdude and the butterfly... [LONG]

2004-08-09 by Brian Dean

On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 04:03:38AM -0500, Mike Murphree wrote: > I don't have FreeBSD at the moment, I gave up that partition to backup > my iTunes (15GB) library while I was switching to the PowerBook. I do > have Linux on the same computer as Windows is loaded and of course, Ma

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: avrdude and the butterfly... [LONG]

2004-08-09 by Mike Murphree

On Aug 8, 2004, at 10:10 PM, Brian Dean wrote: > > This is very strange. Normally, if the programmer is not responding > at all, you'll see the error message: > > avrdude: serial_recv(): programmer is not responding > > This happens if a timeout occurs while waiting for a respons

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: avrdude and the butterfly... [LONG]

2004-08-09 by Brian Dean

On Mon, Aug 09, 2004 at 01:46:10AM -0000, Mike wrote: > Okay, here you go: > > avrdude -p atmega169 -P com1 -c butterfly -v -v -v -v -U > flash:w:main.hex > > avrdude: Version 4.4.0 > Copyright (c) 2000-2004 Brian Dean, bsd@bsdhome.com > > System wide configuration file > is "C:\

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Re: avrdude and the butterfly... [LONG]

2004-08-08 by Mike

--- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, Brian Dean wrote: > On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 03:47:42PM -0000, Mike wrote: > > > This is what it reports: > > > > avrdude: Version 4.4.0 > > Copyright (c) 2000-2004 Brian Dean, bsd@b... > > > > It was installed with the latest WinAVR package. > > T

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: avrdude and the butterfly...

2004-08-08 by Brian Dean

On Sat, Aug 07, 2004 at 03:47:42PM -0000, Mike wrote: > This is what it reports: > > avrdude: Version 4.4.0 > Copyright (c) 2000-2004 Brian Dean, bsd@bsdhome.com > > It was installed with the latest WinAVR package. Try adding '-v -v -v -v' to the AVRDUDE command line to enable lo

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: Semi manufacturers ?

2004-08-08 by mpdickens

> I do not plan to have one CPU to search the whole 10Tb > I was planing on using 100 parallel CPU's each looking > after 100Gb of ram. Speaking from experience (In a past life, I configured and tuned IBM SP/2 machines...) a data set that is this large could only be processed usi

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Timing Profiler.

2004-08-07 by David VanHorn

Another useful tidbit, is to change it around a little, and have it pulse N times in ISR-X and N+1 times in ISR-Y. This way, you can see exactly which ISR is firing. Also, as you gain confidence in the code, take out the pulses on the active ISRs, but leave the pulses in for the

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Timing Profiler.

2004-08-07 by Robert Adsett

At 01:22 AM 8/7/04 -0300, you wrote: > Just to check it out... A free pin a 1K resistor and a 100nf cap to >ground. VCC at the junction is 100% of the time and vcc/2 is around 50%. >Sounds nice.... All the other times that I needed this I used a 32bit timer >summing up a cpu time

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Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: "Perfect Data" Hoax

2004-08-07 by Bernd Felsche

On Saturday 07 August 2004 21:31, Graham Davies wrote: > --- In AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com, Bernd Felsche wrote: > > Their minds [at the MIT AI Lab] > > may be too highly trained. > I hear you. And, so do they. The AI people are the most active in > cross-discipline brainstorming a

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