Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

what would ya'll recommend as a rack-mount replacement for a CZ-1?

i know the VZ isn't really a "CZ in a rack" and most likely nothing is, 
really.

but if all of the CZs died on the same day, and you couldn't replace it, 
what would you get to fill the void? sure, there are plenty of synths that 
would generally be considered "better" than the CZ, but can any of them 
fill in for a CZ? can any of them do what the CZ does?

forget about who made it, or when, or what it does beyond what the CZ can 
do... i'm open to all suggestions, and want to remain as unbiased as 
possible.

thanks...


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Great question, and it reminds me to work on my intended plan B, which is to 
ensure I
have good samples with proper loop points and all that stored of my CZ 
sounds.

I don't do much design with Phase Distortion these days, but if I were to 
and my CZ was gone, I'd look to some software I know is out there that does 
this.  I wouldn't try to substitute PD with any other form, it just isn't 
similar enough.


----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Atom Smasher" <atom@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 7:13 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] CZ in a rack?


> what would ya'll recommend as a rack-mount replacement for a CZ-1?
>
> i know the VZ isn't really a "CZ in a rack" and most likely nothing is,
> really.
>
> but if all of the CZs died on the same day, and you couldn't replace it,
> what would you get to fill the void? sure, there are plenty of synths that
> would generally be considered "better" than the CZ, but can any of them
> fill in for a CZ? can any of them do what the CZ does?
>
> forget about who made it, or when, or what it does beyond what the CZ can
> do... i'm open to all suggestions, and want to remain as unbiased as
> possible.
>
> thanks...
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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PS - I meant to say, of course, not similar enough to me, others may have 
things they find work in a similar enough vein and I'm not trying to 
discount their opinions or say they're wrong.  Just speaking for my own 
aesthetics.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Wilson Zorn" <wilson.zorn@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] CZ in a rack?


> Great question, and it reminds me to work on my intended plan B, which is 
> to ensure I
> have good samples with proper loop points and all that stored of my CZ 
> sounds.
>
> I don't do much design with Phase Distortion these days, but if I were to 
> and my CZ was gone, I'd look to some software I know is out there that 
> does this.  I wouldn't try to substitute PD with any other form, it just 
> isn't similar enough.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Atom Smasher" <atom@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 7:13 PM
> Subject: [CZsynth] CZ in a rack?
>
>
>> what would ya'll recommend as a rack-mount replacement for a CZ-1?
>>
>> i know the VZ isn't really a "CZ in a rack" and most likely nothing is,
>> really.
>>
>> but if all of the CZs died on the same day, and you couldn't replace it,
>> what would you get to fill the void? sure, there are plenty of synths 
>> that
>> would generally be considered "better" than the CZ, but can any of them
>> fill in for a CZ? can any of them do what the CZ does?
>>
>> forget about who made it, or when, or what it does beyond what the CZ can
>> do... i'm open to all suggestions, and want to remain as unbiased as
>> possible.
>>
>> thanks...
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>         ...atom
>>
>>  ________________________
>>  http://atom.smasher.org/
>>  762A 3B98 A3C3 96C9 C6B7 582A B88D 52E4 D9F5 7808
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>>
>>  "What luck for rulers, that men do not think."
>>  -- Adolf Hitler
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

There are several free or cheap phase distortion VSTs and hybrids on the KVR Audio website. They are certainly easier to program than a CZ. The only trouble is that you always need to have your computer nearby.

Wilson Zorn <wilson.zorn@...> wrote:          Great question, and it reminds me to work on my intended plan B, which is to 
ensure I
have good samples with proper loop points and all that stored of my CZ 
sounds.

I don't do much design with Phase Distortion these days, but if I were to 
and my CZ was gone, I'd look to some software I know is out there that does 
this. I wouldn't try to substitute PD with any other form, it just isn't 
similar enough.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Atom Smasher" <atom@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 7:13 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] CZ in a rack?

> what would ya'll recommend as a rack-mount replacement for a CZ-1?
>
> i know the VZ isn't really a "CZ in a rack" and most likely nothing is,
> really.
>
> but if all of the CZs died on the same day, and you couldn't replace it,
> what would you get to fill the void? sure, there are plenty of synths that
> would generally be considered "better" than the CZ, but can any of them
> fill in for a CZ? can any of them do what the CZ does?
>
> forget about who made it, or when, or what it does beyond what the CZ can
> do... i'm open to all suggestions, and want to remain as unbiased as
> possible.
>
> thanks...
>
>
> -- 
> ...atom
>
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> -- Adolf Hitler
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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On Sun, 6 Jan 2008, Andy Joyce wrote:

> There are several free or cheap phase distortion VSTs and hybrids on the 
> KVR Audio website. They are certainly easier to program than a CZ. The 
> only trouble is that you always need to have your computer nearby.
================

nothing in hardware, huh? anyone?

anything close?


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hallo,

i'm new to this forum however my opinion is this:

have used software stuff since rebirth 338 and before(started
electronic music at age of 19 with awe 32/voyetra orchestrator and
before electric trash/death guitar).

After listening to a lot of stuff, hardware and software, with
professional monitor speakers, i say that under my opinion hardware
stuff wins.

An Hardware is like a real guitar. 
Plugin can trick a little bit but  they are emulation and they are not
as punchy as they real stuff.

We use evolver, siel dk80 (full midi cc responsive), a cz 5000 and
some sample: this is enough.

I find vst mostly usefull for pad stuff, but for the punchy basses
forget vst: hear the difference with some good monitor speaker and
some hardware stuff and then tell me.

As well vintage digital synthetizer like casio CZ sound more solid
than analog emulated vst.

MY ASWER IS: MAKE A ROOM near you pc and get some hardware heavy
stuff(and don't spend too much please, they cost free space and
electric power).

p.s. i own as well quasimidi raven max, an200, rm1x.
quasimidi is ok: yamaha is not punchy, and when you buy hardware ask
to test with the cleanest amp the shop has, not with the loudest.

bye to all and sorry for my english

N00b here.
I have no rack recommendations.
My siblings and I, together, have 6 CZs.  4 of them for more than 20
years.  The only one that stopped working was one that had batteries
left in it until they corroded the surrounding area.  I took it and
bypassed the battery/wallwart connection area, and put a new wallwart
connection in a place which prevented (my brother from) inserting
batteries!  So, all 6 are working.
The point is, in our experience, these are _very_ reliable gadgets.
Some of them have only seen mild road use, but some of them have
fairly high mileage (but with careful handling).
As far as I know, there is no rack replacement, and I'll bet there
won't be one.
For plan B: someone made a Yamaha DX7 voice generator for CSound, so
it should be possible to make a CZ voice generator for CSound.  Maybe
not _easy_, but the CZ voice is simpler than that of the DX7 (but the
CZ has more complex waveforms and more versatile EGs.  Before anyone
jumps on me, let me say that 4 of the above-mentioned CZs [2 101s, a
5000, and a 1] are mine, as well as a Yamaha TX816, TX81Z, and FS1R -
and I ain't giving any of them up! - call me a FM and IPD fanatic).
Damn! I do ramble on and on and ...

Synergeezer

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Wilson Zorn" <wilson.zorn@...> wrote:
>
> PS - I meant to say, of course, not similar enough to me, others may
have 
> things they find work in a similar enough vein and I'm not trying to 
> discount their opinions or say they're wrong.  Just speaking for my own 
> aesthetics.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wilson Zorn" <wilson.zorn@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 12:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] CZ in a rack?
> 
> 
> > Great question, and it reminds me to work on my intended plan B,
which is 
> > to ensure I
> > have good samples with proper loop points and all that stored of
my CZ 
> > sounds.
> >
> > I don't do much design with Phase Distortion these days, but if I
were to 
> > and my CZ was gone, I'd look to some software I know is out there
that 
> > does this.  I wouldn't try to substitute PD with any other form,
it just 
> > isn't similar enough.

Btw, 

If you like as well yamaha dx then if you look for rack version, check
yamaha tx series.

The Roland JX series analogs are almost as fun as the CZs and there is
a rack version available.

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Atom Smasher <atom@...> wrote:
>
> what would ya'll recommend as a rack-mount replacement for a CZ-1?
> 
> i know the VZ isn't really a "CZ in a rack" and most likely nothing is, 
> really.
> 
> but if all of the CZs died on the same day, and you couldn't replace
it, 
> what would you get to fill the void? sure, there are plenty of
synths that 
> would generally be considered "better" than the CZ, but can any of them 
> fill in for a CZ? can any of them do what the CZ does?
> 
> forget about who made it, or when, or what it does beyond what the
CZ can 

> do... i'm open to all suggestions, and want to remain as unbiased as 
> possible.
> 
> thanks...
> 
> 
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, jdcx64 wrote:

> The Roland JX series analogs are almost as fun as the CZs and there is a 
> rack version available.
=============

i've previously owned JX3P and it's rack-mount doppelganger, the MKS-30. 
there both fun (*if* you have a PG-200) and well suited for pads, but no 
where near as versatile as a casio CZ. a CZ can do some decent imitations 
of those, but those can't ever sound anything like a CZ.


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