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Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-01-30 by artistirossetti

Hello.
Since there aren't any dedicated drum machines that would offer 
digital synthesis, I use my CZ-3000 to do drum sounds. The problem is 
that my imagination (coupled with not exactly brilliant programming 
skills) has come to an end. If anyone could send me (or trade me, I 
have lots of original and useful drum sounds) any cool drum patches, 
I'd be most grateful. I'm interested in all standard drum stuff - 
kicks, snares, toms etc. but what I'd most like are some cymbals (I 
can't programme a hi-hat for the life of me, and I'd REALLY need a 
crash) and some claps (the ones I programmed sound like wood 
percussion at best).

Thanks a lot,
Saso.

sartre@...

RE: [CZsynth] Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-01-31 by Furman, Jon W.

Good luck with the cymbals. That would be the hardest thing to emulate on a
CZ. As you have noticed tuned percussion is easiest on the CZ but once you
start to get more and more towards the noise based types of instruments it
becomes more and more difficult. On thing that you can do that's the next
best thing to drums on a CZ is to track down an old Casio RZ1 drum machine.
It's the perfect complement to a CZ and if you're worried that it would
sound too much like real drums, have no fear it doesn't. No synthesis
capabilities but it does have .8 seconds of sample memory on board. 

Jon  
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out?

	Hello.
	Since there aren't any dedicated drum machines that would offer 
	digital synthesis, I use my CZ-3000 to do drum sounds. The problem
is 
	that my imagination (coupled with not exactly brilliant programming 
	skills) has come to an end. If anyone could send me (or trade me, I 
	have lots of original and useful drum sounds) any cool drum patches,

	I'd be most grateful. I'm interested in all standard drum stuff - 
	kicks, snares, toms etc. but what I'd most like are some cymbals (I 
	can't programme a hi-hat for the life of me, and I'd REALLY need a 
	crash) and some claps (the ones I programmed sound like wood 
	percussion at best).
	
	Thanks a lot,
	Saso.
	
	sartre@...
	
	
	
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Re: [CZsynth] Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-01-31 by Summa

I done some drum sounds for the CZ-1 in the 80s, can you read the sounddiver
format or do you prefere sysex or CZAndroid files? 
I even did a high-hat - sound but I'm not sure if it'd be usefull for anyone
and one year after I got my CZ-1 I used a TX81z for these cymbal and highat
type sounds. I think my claps are ok, it's not exactly Roland TR like but ok... 

At 11:36 30.01.02 -0000, you wrote:
>Hello.
>Since there aren't any dedicated drum machines that would offer 
>digital synthesis, I use my CZ-3000 to do drum sounds. The problem is 
>that my imagination (coupled with not exactly brilliant programming 
>skills) has come to an end. If anyone could send me (or trade me, I 
>have lots of original and useful drum sounds) any cool drum patches, 
>I'd be most grateful. I'm interested in all standard drum stuff - 
>kicks, snares, toms etc. but what I'd most like are some cymbals (I 
>can't programme a hi-hat for the life of me, and I'd REALLY need a 
>crash) and some claps (the ones I programmed sound like wood 
>percussion at best).
>
>Thanks a lot,
>Saso.
>
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Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-01-31 by artistirossetti

Hey, thanks Summa, that's really kind of you. SYSEX is my favourite 
format (I'm a PC user, and I understand CZAndroid is for Atari only) 
though I suppose I could download myself a trial version of the 
Soundiver.

I'll gratefully accept ANY drum sounds, even if you think they suck 
terribly - if nothing else, I might imrpove them accidentally. If 
you'd like any sounds (in SYSEX) in exchange, or just to see what I 
do, drop me a line at sartre@...

Thanks in advance,
Saso.

--- In CZsynth@y..., Summa <flotorian@y...> wrote:
> I done some drum sounds for the CZ-1 in the 80s, can you read the 
sounddiver
> format or do you prefere sysex or CZAndroid files? 
> I even did a high-hat - sound but I'm not sure if it'd be usefull 
for anyone
> and one year after I got my CZ-1 I used a TX81z for these cymbal 
and highat
> type sounds. I think my claps are ok, it's not exactly Roland TR 
like but ok... 
> 
> At 11:36 30.01.02 -0000, you wrote:
> >Hello.
> >Since there aren't any dedicated drum machines that would offer 
> >digital synthesis, I use my CZ-3000 to do drum sounds. The problem 
is 
> >that my imagination (coupled with not exactly brilliant 
programming 
> >skills) has come to an end. If anyone could send me (or trade me, 
I 
> >have lots of original and useful drum sounds) any cool drum 
patches, 
> >I'd be most grateful. I'm interested in all standard drum stuff - 
> >kicks, snares, toms etc. but what I'd most like are some cymbals 
(I 
> >can't programme a hi-hat for the life of me, and I'd REALLY need a 
> >crash) and some claps (the ones I programmed sound like wood 
> >percussion at best).
> >
> >Thanks a lot,
> >Saso.
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Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-01-31 by artistirossetti

Hmmm, I don't think RZ-1 would be the right thing for me, you know 
Jon. The group I'm in insist on "synthesis-only" and since RZ-1 uses 
samples (at least that's what I'm told), we couldn't use it. Even 
though they might not SOUND real, we'd know they're samples, and it 
just wouldn't be the same.

Yeah, tuned percussion is indeed the easiest thing. I programmed 
myself a nice ol' set of toms (I'll inform the group when the song we 
use them in is out), even a kick drum, but it's a bugger to programme 
a truly passable snare, or a clap for that matter.

In the meantime, do you have any drum patches to share? I'd love to 
hear/use them.

Regards, 
Saso
sartre@...


--- In CZsynth@y..., "Furman, Jon W." <jfurman@t...> wrote:
> Good luck with the cymbals. That would be the hardest thing to 
emulate on a
> CZ. As you have noticed tuned percussion is easiest on the CZ but 
once you
> start to get more and more towards the noise based types of 
instruments it
> becomes more and more difficult. On thing that you can do that's 
the next
> best thing to drums on a CZ is to track down an old Casio RZ1 drum 
machine.
> It's the perfect complement to a CZ and if you're worried that it 
would
> sound too much like real drums, have no fear it doesn't. No 
synthesis
> capabilities but it does have .8 seconds of sample memory on board. 
> 
> Jon  
> 
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From:	artistirossetti [SMTP:sartre@s...]
> 	Sent:	Wednesday, January 30, 2002 6:36 AM
> 	To:	CZsynth@y...
> 	Subject:	[CZsynth] Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help 
me
> out?
> 
> 	Hello.
> 	Since there aren't any dedicated drum machines that would 
offer 
> 	digital synthesis, I use my CZ-3000 to do drum sounds. The 
problem
> is 
> 	that my imagination (coupled with not exactly brilliant 
programming 
> 	skills) has come to an end. If anyone could send me (or trade 
me, I 
> 	have lots of original and useful drum sounds) any cool drum 
patches,
> 
> 	I'd be most grateful. I'm interested in all standard drum 
stuff - 
> 	kicks, snares, toms etc. but what I'd most like are some 
cymbals (I 
> 	can't programme a hi-hat for the life of me, and I'd REALLY 
need a 
> 	crash) and some claps (the ones I programmed sound like wood 
> 	percussion at best).
> 	
> 	Thanks a lot,
> 	Saso.
> 	
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-01-31 by Maxim Potekhin

artistirossetti wrote:

>  Hmmm, I don't think RZ-1 would be the right thing for me, you know
> Jon. The group I'm in insist on "synthesis-only" and since RZ-1 uses
> samples (at least that's what I'm told), we couldn't use it.

That sounds like religious fanaticism, really. Every musician I know
uses samples
to some degree. I sample my Pro One and can make almost a complete
composition
out of it, with bass, pads and all. Since it's a monosynth, I could not
do that otherwise.
I personally think more interesting challenges can be found elswhere,
rather than  in the exact format of the sound source.

cheers

Maxim

> Even
> though they might not SOUND real, we'd know they're samples, and it
> just wouldn't be the same.

What if you DIDN't know?   Try a blind test   :))))))



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RE: [CZsynth] Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-01-31 by Furman, Jon W.

True but there is some nobility in an approach such as strict synthesis. On
a related note I have heard of a few bands over the years that go on stage
with nothing but Casio gear, mostly the really cheap stuff too. Now that's
fanaticism!!

Jon 
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	Subject:	Re: [CZsynth] Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone
help me out?

	artistirossetti wrote:
	
	>  Hmmm, I don't think RZ-1 would be the right thing for me, you
know
	> Jon. The group I'm in insist on "synthesis-only" and since RZ-1
uses
	> samples (at least that's what I'm told), we couldn't use it.
	
	That sounds like religious fanaticism, really. Every musician I know
	uses samples
	to some degree. I sample my Pro One and can make almost a complete
	composition
	out of it, with bass, pads and all. Since it's a monosynth, I could
not
	do that otherwise.
	I personally think more interesting challenges can be found
elswhere,
	rather than  in the exact format of the sound source.
	
	cheers
	
	Maxim
	
	> Even
	> though they might not SOUND real, we'd know they're samples, and
it
	> just wouldn't be the same.
	
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Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-01-31 by artistirossetti

You're quite right to some extent, it might not be particularly 
sensible challenge to take on (anybody in the group willing to back 
us up maybe?). But right now I'm doing a rhythm track for one our of 
songs and I can tell you it feels fantastic to know that everyting 
coming out of the speakers is the fruit of our programming labour, 
you know - kick comes from the CZ, snare from the Poly 800, etc.

Also, there is one thing that I don't like about samples - if you use 
a sample in a song, everytime the sample is played, it sounds exactly 
the same. If you use a synth to make a drum, the individual drums 
will differ, and this adds life to the song - honestly, even CZ kicks 
don't always sound the same. 

I'm not claiming I could pass a blind test, I probably wouldn't, but 
since these are our creations, I think that we can allow ourselves a 
bit of artistic freedom. When you get the hold of it, it's not that 
limiting anymore. In the end, it's the songs that matter, anyway, and 
when they are done, I'll let you listen and judge if we wasted our 
time with synthesising everything.

Regards,
Saso.



--- In CZsynth@y..., Maxim Potekhin <maxim.potekhin@m...> wrote:
> artistirossetti wrote:
> 
> >  Hmmm, I don't think RZ-1 would be the right thing for me, you 
know
> > Jon. The group I'm in insist on "synthesis-only" and since RZ-1 
uses
> > samples (at least that's what I'm told), we couldn't use it.
> 
> That sounds like religious fanaticism, really. Every musician I know
> uses samples
> to some degree. I sample my Pro One and can make almost a complete
> composition
> out of it, with bass, pads and all. Since it's a monosynth, I could 
not
> do that otherwise.
> I personally think more interesting challenges can be found 
elswhere,
> rather than  in the exact format of the sound source.
> 
> cheers
> 
> Maxim
> 
> > Even
> > though they might not SOUND real, we'd know they're samples, and 
it
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> > just wouldn't be the same.
> 
> What if you DIDN't know?   Try a blind test   :))))))
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-01-31 by mlanglie@tripod.com

Hi...I rarely chime in, but I like this thread. :)

Adding to Saso's points...I've found, over the years of developing my own
"music making philosophy," that one of the greatest ways for me to
prevent roadblocks in a project is to actually set certain restrictions
or borders for myself at the onset. A lot of folks I've known suffer from
a real gear-lust, and often can't even begin making music since they're
so overwhelmed by the seemingly limitless possibilities offered by
 their over-the-top gear, or the desire to get the perfect set-up before
writing and recording anything. When I began suffering that myself,
I turned to working with just toy pianos, and went from there.

(Shameless plug and personal aside: my CD of 25 toy piano tunes,
which also uses Casio CZ extensively, will be on sale in February,
along with a 32 page picture book! www.twink.net )  :)

I love finding groups that really go crazy within seemingly ridiculous
self-imposed limitations, and Casiocore bands are a real treat. Some
of my faves are: Gerty Farrish, Stinky Fire Engine, Sweden,
Schlammpeitziger, and Michiko Kusaki. There's a fin compilation CD
out called "Sweet Sweet Casio" that crosses a lot of genres, too.

- Mike


                                                                                                                       
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You're quite right to some extent, it might not be particularly
sensible challenge to take on (anybody in the group willing to back
us up maybe?). But right now I'm doing a rhythm track for one our of
songs and I can tell you it feels fantastic to know that everyting
coming out of the speakers is the fruit of our programming labour,
you know - kick comes from the CZ, snare from the Poly 800, etc.

Also, there is one thing that I don't like about samples - if you use
a sample in a song, everytime the sample is played, it sounds exactly
the same. If you use a synth to make a drum, the individual drums
will differ, and this adds life to the song - honestly, even CZ kicks
don't always sound the same.

I'm not claiming I could pass a blind test, I probably wouldn't, but
since these are our creations, I think that we can allow ourselves a
bit of artistic freedom. When you get the hold of it, it's not that
limiting anymore. In the end, it's the songs that matter, anyway, and
when they are done, I'll let you listen and judge if we wasted our
time with synthesising everything.

Regards,
Saso.



--- In CZsynth@y..., Maxim Potekhin <maxim.potekhin@m...> wrote:
> artistirossetti wrote:
>
> >  Hmmm, I don't think RZ-1 would be the right thing for me, you
know
> > Jon. The group I'm in insist on "synthesis-only" and since RZ-1
uses
> > samples (at least that's what I'm told), we couldn't use it.
>
> That sounds like religious fanaticism, really. Every musician I know
> uses samples
> to some degree. I sample my Pro One and can make almost a complete
> composition
> out of it, with bass, pads and all. Since it's a monosynth, I could
not
> do that otherwise.
> I personally think more interesting challenges can be found
elswhere,
> rather than  in the exact format of the sound source.
>
> cheers
>
> Maxim
>
> > Even
> > though they might not SOUND real, we'd know they're samples, and
it
> > just wouldn't be the same.
>
> What if you DIDN't know?   Try a blind test   :))))))
>
>
>
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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-01-31 by ccb@acm.org

> I love finding groups that really go crazy within seemingly ridiculous
> self-imposed limitations, and Casiocore bands are a real treat. Some
> of my faves are: Gerty Farrish, Stinky Fire Engine, Sweden,
> Schlammpeitziger, and Michiko Kusaki. There's a fin compilation CD
> out called "Sweet Sweet Casio" that crosses a lot of genres, too.

Check out Freezepop (www.freezepop.net), a band built around a Yamaha
QY70.


ccb

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-01-31 by Maxim Potekhin

mlanglie@... wrote:

> Adding to Saso's points...I've found, over the years of developing my
> own
> "music making philosophy," that one of the greatest ways for me to
> prevent roadblocks in a project is to actually set certain
> restrictions
> or borders for myself at the onset.

Exactly. One restriction I find hellpful is this -- once you find the
sound you like for a
particular application, you restrict yourself to not necessarily saving
it as patches
in the synth and the two or three outboard FX units, but sample it and
create a library for
a song you are writing. This way you avoid unnecessary bookkeeping.

> A lot of folks I've known suffer from
> a real gear-lust

That would be me, too   :)


> and often can't even begin making music since they're
> so overwhelmed by the seemingly limitless possibilities offered by
> their over-the-top gear

Again, sampling is a great remedy against that. Once you restrict
yourself to the goal
of having a good sample/drum loop for the next 8 bars that you are
writing, and
having it sampled, that gives your work a lot more structure.

> I love finding groups that really go crazy within seemingly ridiculous
>
> self-imposed limitations

How about "we are going to limit ourselves to using not less than 4
metric tons
of gear which will include at least 15 synthesizers"
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))


cheers

Maxim



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Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-01-31 by artistirossetti

> That sounds like religious fanaticism, really. 

Oh, by the way, Maxim, I didn't mention the other restriction we have 
imposed upon ourselves: since we do 80's pop, we decided to only 
use "period gear", i.e. synths and drum machines made before 1990 
(both analogue and digital, but no ROMplers - but they weren't that 
numerous in those days anyway). I don't know if this one makes any 
more sense to you than the "synthesis-only" concept, but we like to 
be limited by the gear the way 80's electronic artists were.

Regards,
Saso.

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-01-31 by XPANDER

That's interesting Saso-


Just the other day I was thinking-...

Gee- Some of my favorite songs were made on that old gear...so I should
still be able to make great music with that gear.
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>> That sounds like religious fanaticism, really.
> 
> Oh, by the way, Maxim, I didn't mention the other restriction we have
> imposed upon ourselves: since we do 80's pop, we decided to only
> use "period gear", i.e. synths and drum machines made before 1990
> (both analogue and digital, but no ROMplers - but they weren't that
> numerous in those days anyway). I don't know if this one makes any
> more sense to you than the "synthesis-only" concept, but we like to
> be limited by the gear the way 80's electronic artists were.
> 
> Regards,
> Saso.

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-01-31 by Maxim Potekhin

artistirossetti wrote:
> 
> > That sounds like religious fanaticism, really.
> 
> Oh, by the way, Maxim, I didn't mention the other restriction we have
> imposed upon ourselves: since we do 80's pop, we decided to only
> use "period gear", i.e. synths and drum machines made before 1990
> (both analogue and digital, but no ROMplers - but they weren't that
> numerous in those days anyway). I don't know if this one makes any
> more sense to you than the "synthesis-only" concept, but we like to
> be limited by the gear the way 80's electronic artists were.
>

Best of luck with the project!!

Get a Prophet 5 and and Arp Odyssey you  all set  :)

Maxim

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-01-31 by Summa

Or a PPG ;)

At 17:11 31.01.02 -0500, you wrote:
>artistirossetti wrote:
>> 
>> > That sounds like religious fanaticism, really.
>> 
>> Oh, by the way, Maxim, I didn't mention the other restriction we have
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>> numerous in those days anyway). I don't know if this one makes any
>> more sense to you than the "synthesis-only" concept, but we like to
>> be limited by the gear the way 80's electronic artists were.
>>
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Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-02-01 by artistirossetti

--- In CZsynth@y..., Maxim Potekhin <maxim.potekhin@m...> wrote:
> artistirossetti wrote:
> > 
> > > That sounds like religious fanaticism, really.
> > 
> > Oh, by the way, Maxim, I didn't mention the other restriction we 
have
> > imposed upon ourselves: since we do 80's pop, we decided to only
> > use "period gear", i.e. synths and drum machines made before 1990
> > (both analogue and digital, but no ROMplers - but they weren't 
that
> > numerous in those days anyway). I don't know if this one makes any
> > more sense to you than the "synthesis-only" concept, but we like 
to
> > be limited by the gear the way 80's electronic artists were.
> >
> 
> Best of luck with the project!!
> 
> Get a Prophet 5 and and Arp Odyssey you  all set  :)
> 
> Maxim

Yeah, but I was silly enough to buy a CZ-3000 and a Poly-800 instead. 
I wonder what got into me...

Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-02-01 by artistirossetti

--- In CZsynth@y..., XPANDER <xpander@e...> wrote:
> That's interesting Saso-
> 
> 
> Just the other day I was thinking-...
> 
> Gee- Some of my favorite songs were made on that old gear...so I 
should
> still be able to make great music with that gear.

This is a rather fallacious argument, actually. It's not that we're 
afraid that wouldn't be able to make good music with any gear - 
before I the band was formed, I was an active tracker, doing great 
80's stuff with lots of NordLead samples (having no clue what a 
NordLead is). It's just that we all think that 80's and 70's gear is 
infinitely cooler than the new stuff. It looks better for one thing, 
and it's cheaper, as well.

One could argue that a NordLead (I'm using it as an example because 
it's just about the only modern synth I know well enough) or 
something comparable would in the end be cheaper than all the old 
stuff it would effectively replace, but then again we can't say that 
we did the entire album with only one synth, now can we.

Another thing that we're about is totally artificial sounds - making 
bass that can't possibly be mistaken for a bass guitar. Certainly, 
you can get unrealistic sounds out of new gear, as well, but since 
unrealistic is the ONLY thing you can get out of new gear, that's a 
plus in our book since we don't have to worry if a sound 
is "unrealistic" enough.

Regards,
Saso.

> 
> 
> >> That sounds like religious fanaticism, really.
> > 
> > Oh, by the way, Maxim, I didn't mention the other restriction we 
have
> > imposed upon ourselves: since we do 80's pop, we decided to only
> > use "period gear", i.e. synths and drum machines made before 1990
> > (both analogue and digital, but no ROMplers - but they weren't 
that
> > numerous in those days anyway). I don't know if this one makes any
> > more sense to you than the "synthesis-only" concept, but we like 
to
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> > be limited by the gear the way 80's electronic artists were.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Saso.

Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-02-01 by noisevibrationharshness

Samples only sound the same everytime they hit if you don't use 
filters on them. I use heavy filtering on all my samples. I even 
sample the CZ1 and filter the hell out of those. You can change many 
things about a sample, pitch, filter, length...a lot of my songs have 
samples in them and I think they sound convincing.  Just use some 
good high pass filters.





Devin
NVH




--- In CZsynth@y..., "artistirossetti" <sartre@s...> wrote:
> > That sounds like religious fanaticism, really. 
> 
> Oh, by the way, Maxim, I didn't mention the other restriction we 
have 
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> imposed upon ourselves: since we do 80's pop, we decided to only 
> use "period gear", i.e. synths and drum machines made before 1990 
> (both analogue and digital, but no ROMplers - but they weren't that 
> numerous in those days anyway). I don't know if this one makes any 
> more sense to you than the "synthesis-only" concept, but we like to 
> be limited by the gear the way 80's electronic artists were.
> 
> Regards,
> Saso.

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-02-01 by john w.

Yay!  Freezepop!  I found them by accident on mp3.com
once, and they rule!

I just thought I would add that.

Nate

--- ccb@... wrote:
> 
> > I love finding groups that really go crazy within
> seemingly ridiculous
> > self-imposed limitations, and Casiocore bands are
> a real treat. Some
> > of my faves are: Gerty Farrish, Stinky Fire
> Engine, Sweden,
> > Schlammpeitziger, and Michiko Kusaki. There's a
> fin compilation CD
> > out called "Sweet Sweet Casio" that crosses a lot
> of genres, too.
> 
> Check out Freezepop (www.freezepop.net), a band
> built around a Yamaha
> QY70.
> 
> 
> ccb
> 
> 


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Re: [CZsynth] Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-02-01 by mlanglie@tripod.com

Freezepop are keepin' it real!

Another all-QY(10) act is Atom and His Package.
Punk Rock by way of the Human League, wheee...

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Yay!  Freezepop!  I found them by accident on mp3.com
once, and they rule!

I just thought I would add that.

Nate

--- ccb@... wrote:
>
> > I love finding groups that really go crazy within
> seemingly ridiculous
> > self-imposed limitations, and Casiocore bands are
> a real treat. Some
> > of my faves are: Gerty Farrish, Stinky Fire
> Engine, Sweden,
> > Schlammpeitziger, and Michiko Kusaki. There's a
> fin compilation CD
> > out called "Sweet Sweet Casio" that crosses a lot
> of genres, too.
>
> Check out Freezepop (www.freezepop.net), a band
> built around a Yamaha
> QY70.
>
>
> ccb
>
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Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-04-02 by fredbart26753

--- In CZsynth@y..., "artistirossetti" <sartre@s...> wrote:
> Hello.
> Since there aren't any dedicated drum machines that would offer 
> digital synthesis, I use my CZ-3000 to do drum sounds. The problem 
is 
> that my imagination (coupled with not exactly brilliant 
programming 
> skills) has come to an end. If anyone could send me (or trade me, 
I 
> have lots of original and useful drum sounds) any cool drum 
patches, 
> I'd be most grateful. I'm interested in all standard drum stuff - 
> kicks, snares, toms etc. but what I'd most like are some cymbals 
(I 
> can't programme a hi-hat for the life of me, and I'd REALLY need a 
> crash) and some claps (the ones I programmed sound like wood 
> percussion at best).
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> Saso.
> 
> sartre@s...

HI,
I'm new here and this is my first post. I have read ~ 97% of the 
postings on the board and I remember one where eneryone was having a 
good laugh at the cz101/1000 preset sound #16 (percussion), even 
going so far as to question whether anyone has ever actually used 
this sound. I have to agree that it is a pretty pathetic percussion 
sound, however I have found it to be very useful over the years. Ii 
your post above you say that you are particularly looking for clap 
sounds among others. I have found this #16 sound to be an excellent 
handclap sound if used in a particular way. First off you need to 
add the appropriate EFX (reverb or delay to taste). Then you strike 
4 keys at once. All 4 keys in close proximity to each other (all 
minor 2nds and a few major 2nds if they were pitched sounds). Do 
this in the range where the highest pitch is ~ the 'C' one octave 
below the top note on the keyboard and where the bottom note is ~ 
the 'G' below that.  You can repeat these exact pitches for a more 
static electronic type sound or you can vary the pitches (but keep 
within the 6-7 note range) for a more human/organic sound.    also 
if you play this sound with both hands spread over the middle of the 
keyboard and quickly strike random keys you can get a pretty 
good "synthesized applause" sound. (Good for a laugh at those gigs 
where the late crowd hasn't come in yet and you feel like you are 
playing for the other ppl in the band ;)
  Also ... greetings to all my fellow casio junkies on here,
Frank

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Drums on Casio CZ - can anyone help me out?

2002-04-05 by john w.

Ah, how fondly I remember the conversation about good
old preset #16.  I think that I might have started it
by asking if there was a way that I could save my own
sounds over presets, citing #16 as a perfect example
of one that I would never use.  But!  Wonder of all
wonders, my band actually used it in one our
recordings!  We have one song where at the end all
members stop playing their instruments and just dance,
while the drum machine has a bit of a "solo".  So, of
course we couldn't cut the song short on the
recording, and we have the appropriait amount of
dancing time with just the drum machine.  Then, just
to make things interesting, Conrad decides to play a
bit of "tap dancing" solo at the end of the song...
using the Casio CZ preset #16, of course!  A  very
nice touch indeed.

jw.

--- fredbart26753 <fnb@...> wrote:
> --- In CZsynth@y..., "artistirossetti" <sartre@s...>
> wrote:
> > Hello.
> > Since there aren't any dedicated drum machines
> that would offer 
> > digital synthesis, I use my CZ-3000 to do drum
> sounds. The problem 
> is 
> > that my imagination (coupled with not exactly
> brilliant 
> programming 
> > skills) has come to an end. If anyone could send
> me (or trade me, 
> I 
> > have lots of original and useful drum sounds) any
> cool drum 
> patches, 
> > I'd be most grateful. I'm interested in all
> standard drum stuff - 
> > kicks, snares, toms etc. but what I'd most like
> are some cymbals 
> (I 
> > can't programme a hi-hat for the life of me, and
> I'd REALLY need a 
> > crash) and some claps (the ones I programmed sound
> like wood 
> > percussion at best).
> > 
> > Thanks a lot,
> > Saso.
> > 
> > sartre@s...
> 
> HI,
> I'm new here and this is my first post. I have read
> ~ 97% of the 
> postings on the board and I remember one where
> eneryone was having a 
> good laugh at the cz101/1000 preset sound #16
> (percussion), even 
> going so far as to question whether anyone has ever
> actually used 
> this sound. I have to agree that it is a pretty
> pathetic percussion 
> sound, however I have found it to be very useful
> over the years. Ii 
> your post above you say that you are particularly
> looking for clap 
> sounds among others. I have found this #16 sound to
> be an excellent 
> handclap sound if used in a particular way. First
> off you need to 
> add the appropriate EFX (reverb or delay to taste).
> Then you strike 
> 4 keys at once. All 4 keys in close proximity to
> each other (all 
> minor 2nds and a few major 2nds if they were pitched
> sounds). Do 
> this in the range where the highest pitch is ~ the
> 'C' one octave 
> below the top note on the keyboard and where the
> bottom note is ~ 
> the 'G' below that.  You can repeat these exact
> pitches for a more 
> static electronic type sound or you can vary the
> pitches (but keep 
> within the 6-7 note range) for a more human/organic
> sound.    also 
> if you play this sound with both hands spread over
> the middle of the 
> keyboard and quickly strike random keys you can get
> a pretty 
> good "synthesized applause" sound. (Good for a laugh
> at those gigs 
> where the late crowd hasn't come in yet and you feel
> like you are 
> playing for the other ppl in the band ;)
>   Also ... greetings to all my fellow casio junkies
> on here,
> Frank
> 
> 


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