Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

>
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm new to this group!
> 
> I intend to buy a CZ soon (probably on ebay) as I started to love their sound (heard on some youtube videos).
> I might also consider the VZ series, but only if it can exactly also reproduce the CZ-1000 sounds.
> 
> - Are there differences in terms of sound between the CZ models?
> - How do they compare in terms of programming interface?
> - How do they compare in terms of MIDI, and which has the most complete implementation?
> 
> MIDI implementation might be on key point in my choice as I heard they can cumbersome to program, and anyway was thinking that I could build a panel for CTRLR.org.
> So, I'd choose the one which can be completely programmed via MIDI, or the one which has most of the parameters programmable.
> 
> I'm leaning towards the CZ-101 or the CZ-1000.
> Of the CZ-101 I like the portability and the fact that it could fit on my desk :)
> Of the CZ-1000 I like the 49 keyboard format, but not much (the feeling of) the membrane buttons (also, are they prone to break/malfunction?)
> 
> However my choice will be also depending on the MIDI implementation, and if I can program them from the computer....
> so any information or advice is much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks.
> Best,
> Marco
>

On 4 Nov 2012, at 23:56, mm47 wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to this group!
>
> I intend to buy a CZ soon (probably on ebay) as I started to love  
> their sound (heard on some youtube videos).
> I might also consider the VZ series, but only if it can exactly also  
> reproduce the CZ-1000 sounds.
>
> - Are there differences in terms of sound between the CZ models?
> - How do they compare in terms of programming interface?
> - How do they compare in terms of MIDI, and which has the most  
> complete implementation?
>
> MIDI implementation might be on key point in my choice as I heard  
> they can cumbersome to program, and anyway was thinking that I could  
> build a panel for CTRLR.org.
> So, I'd choose the one which can be completely programmed via MIDI,  
> or the one which has most of the parameters programmable.
>
> I'm leaning towards the CZ-101 or the CZ-1000.
> Of the CZ-101 I like the portability and the fact that it could fit  
> on my desk :)
> Of the CZ-1000 I like the 49 keyboard format, but not much (the  
> feeling of) the membrane buttons (also, are they prone to break/ 
> malfunction?)
>
> However my choice will be also depending on the MIDI implementation,  
> and if I can program them from the computer....
> so any information or advice is much appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
> Best,
> Marco
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

 From: mm47 <marcoballins@...>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2012, 23:56
Subject: [CZsynth] choice of a CZ synth
 

  
Hi all,

I'm new to this group!

I intend to buy a CZ soon (probably on ebay) as I started to love their sound (heard on some youtube videos).
I might also consider the VZ series, but only if it can exactly also reproduce the CZ-1000 sounds.

- Are there differences in terms of sound between the CZ models?
- How do they compare in terms of programming interface?
- How do they compare in terms of MIDI, and which has the most complete implementation?

MIDI implementation might be on key point in my choice as I heard they can cumbersome to program, and anyway was thinking that I could build a panel for CTRLR.org.
So, I'd choose the one which can be completely programmed via MIDI, or the one which has most of the parameters programmable.

I'm leaning towards the CZ-101 or the CZ-1000.
Of the CZ-101 I like the portability and the fact that it could fit on my desk :)
Of the CZ-1000 I like the 49 keyboard format, but not much (the feeling of) the membrane buttons (also, are they prone to break/malfunction?)

However my choice will be also depending on the MIDI implementation, and if I can program them from the computer....
so any information or advice is much appreciated.

Thanks.
Best,
Marco


 

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On 5 Nov 2012, at 08:33, Lee Borrell wrote:

> It seems you have worked out some of the problems for yourself- the  
> 101 has proper facia buttons and is portable.The MIDI implementation  
> on both is the same - they are essentially the same machine.
> There is little difference in terms of sound - they are based on PD  
> synthesis which distorts phase angle.The VZ is the professional  
> version.
>
> The manuals can be found:
>
>
> http://templarseries.atspace.com/synths.html
>
> Transfer of memory via midi is not as easier task as it might be -  
> how to do it is on my CZ page.
>
>
> http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html
>
> Obviously the higher numbered models CZ1/1000/3000/VZ have greater  
> implementation,some include sequencers.
>
> To my mind the 101 keyboard is a bit "springy" which I am guessing  
> is due to rubberised contacts - the 1000 has a better keyboard,but  
> as you say the naff membrane.
> Watch out for the 230s - someone on ebay described it as a "wolf in  
> sheeps clothing" - which I'd tend to agree with. It has ROM voices  
> to avoid the tedious programming,but 4 RAM slots which will accept  
> CZ voices (96,97,98,99 last 4 slots) and a programmable drum machine/ 
> sequencer,and the nice buttons of the 101,plus a built in  
> speaker,plus cassette storage backup.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mm47 <marcoballins@...>
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2012, 23:56
> Subject: [CZsynth] choice of a CZ synth
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to this group!
>
> I intend to buy a CZ soon (probably on ebay) as I started to love  
> their sound (heard on some youtube videos).
> I might also consider the VZ series, but only if it can exactly also  
> reproduce the CZ-1000 sounds.
>
> - Are there differences in terms of sound between the CZ models?
> - How do they compare in terms of programming interface?
> - How do they compare in terms of MIDI, and which has the most  
> complete implementation?
>
> MIDI implementation might be on key point in my choice as I heard  
> they can cumbersome to program, and anyway was thinking that I could  
> build a panel for CTRLR.org.
> So, I'd choose the one which can be completely programmed via MIDI,  
> or the one which has most of the parameters programmable.
>
> I'm leaning towards the CZ-101 or the CZ-1000.
> Of the CZ-101 I like the portability and the fact that it could fit  
> on my desk :)
> Of the CZ-1000 I like the 49 keyboard format, but not much (the  
> feeling of) the membrane buttons (also, are they prone to break/ 
> malfunction?)
>
> However my choice will be also depending on the MIDI implementation,  
> and if I can program them from the computer....
> so any information or advice is much appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
> Best,
> Marco
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

 From: Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2012, 8:49
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] choice of a CZ synth
 

  
Hi Lee,

I forgot to mention on my reply you can also put the CZ101 around your 
neck with a normal guitar strap if you want to look like some eighties 
ponce,CZ101,DX100,SH101 and that other Roland thing AXIS? were popular 
if you wanted to look like an extra in a club scene from miami vice.

On 5 Nov 2012, at 08:33, Lee Borrell wrote:

> It seems you have worked out some of the problems for yourself- the 
> 101 has proper facia buttons and is portable.The MIDI implementation 
> on both is the same - they are essentially the same machine.
> There is little difference in terms of sound - they are based on PD 
> synthesis which distorts phase angle.The VZ is the professional 
> version.
>
> The manuals can be found:
>
>
> http://templarseries.atspace.com/synths.html
>
> Transfer of memory via midi is not as easier task as it might be - 
> how to do it is on my CZ page.
>
>
> http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html
>
> Obviously the higher numbered models CZ1/1000/3000/VZ have greater 
> implementation,some include sequencers.
>
> To my mind the 101 keyboard is a bit "springy" which I am guessing 
> is due to rubberised contacts - the 1000 has a better keyboard,but 
> as you say the naff membrane.
> Watch out for the 230s - someone on ebay described it as a "wolf in 
> sheeps clothing" - which I'd tend to agree with. It has ROM voices 
> to avoid the tedious programming,but 4 RAM slots which will accept 
> CZ voices (96,97,98,99 last 4 slots) and a programmable drum machine/ 
> sequencer,and the nice buttons of the 101,plus a built in 
> speaker,plus cassette storage backup.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mm47 <marcoballins@...>
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2012, 23:56
> Subject: [CZsynth] choice of a CZ synth
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to this group!
>
> I intend to buy a CZ soon (probably on ebay) as I started to love 
> their sound (heard on some youtube videos).
> I might also consider the VZ series, but only if it can exactly also 
> reproduce the CZ-1000 sounds.
>
> - Are there differences in terms of sound between the CZ models?
> - How do they compare in terms of programming interface?
> - How do they compare in terms of MIDI, and which has the most 
> complete implementation?
>
> MIDI implementation might be on key point in my choice as I heard 
> they can cumbersome to program, and anyway was thinking that I could 
> build a panel for CTRLR.org.
> So, I'd choose the one which can be completely programmed via MIDI, 
> or the one which has most of the parameters programmable.
>
> I'm leaning towards the CZ-101 or the CZ-1000.
> Of the CZ-101 I like the portability and the fact that it could fit 
> on my desk :)
> Of the CZ-1000 I like the 49 keyboard format, but not much (the 
> feeling of) the membrane buttons (also, are they prone to break/ 
> malfunction?)
>
> However my choice will be also depending on the MIDI implementation, 
> and if I can program them from the computer....
> so any information or advice is much appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
> Best,
> Marco
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


 

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 From: José Ángel Morente <msxjam@...>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2012, 9:01
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] choice of a CZ synth
 

  
The VZ1 is a different machine. It cannot reproduce the original CZ sounds
although it's a more powerful synthesizer. I own both the CZ and VZ and I
love them.

In my opinion, the CZ1 is the best CZ synth; it has double polyphony, 64
memory location (the CZ101 is 16 only I think), velocity, aftertouch, it
has a nice analog chorus that is perfect for strings and pads, you can
split the keyboard, stack programs, etc. and it is still quite easy to
program.

The price for a nice condition CZ1 is usually equal or even less than a
CZ101 or CZ1000, because some people get the CZ101 because the '101' model
is more famous (and it is heavily related to Erasure ;-) ).

I got mine for 180€ only.

Cheers,

JaM

--
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On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 12:56 AM, mm47 <marcoballins@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to this group!
>
> I intend to buy a CZ soon (probably on ebay) as I started to love their
> sound (heard on some youtube videos).
> I might also consider the VZ series, but only if it can exactly also
> reproduce the CZ-1000 sounds.
>
> - Are there differences in terms of sound between the CZ models?
> - How do they compare in terms of programming interface?
> - How do they compare in terms of MIDI, and which has the most complete
> implementation?
>
> MIDI implementation might be on key point in my choice as I heard they can
> cumbersome to program, and anyway was thinking that I could build a panel
> for CTRLR.org.
> So, I'd choose the one which can be completely programmed via MIDI, or the
> one which has most of the parameters programmable.
>
> I'm leaning towards the CZ-101 or the CZ-1000.
> Of the CZ-101 I like the portability and the fact that it could fit on my
> desk :)
> Of the CZ-1000 I like the 49 keyboard format, but not much (the feeling
> of) the membrane buttons (also, are they prone to break/malfunction?)
>
> However my choice will be also depending on the MIDI implementation, and
> if I can program them from the computer....
> so any information or advice is much appreciated.
>
> Thanks.
> Best,
> Marco
>
> 
>

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On 5 Nov 2012, at 09:00, Lee Borrell wrote:

> Yes - the 230 and the 1000 also have the strap buttons - but you are  
> liable to get a neck injury using those. As it happens I like being  
> an 80s ponce,which is why I have the DX100 with the buttons/strap a  
> shs10 to really be a ponce....been trying to get the shs200 and AZ1-  
> came close a couple of times,but supreme poncing has so far eluded  
> me....but at least my neck is intact!
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...>
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, 5 November 2012, 8:49
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] choice of a CZ synth
>
>
>
> Hi Lee,
>
> I forgot to mention on my reply you can also put the CZ101 around your
> neck with a normal guitar strap if you want to look like some eighties
> ponce,CZ101,DX100,SH101 and that other Roland thing AXIS? were popular
> if you wanted to look like an extra in a club scene from miami vice.
>
> On 5 Nov 2012, at 08:33, Lee Borrell wrote:
>
>> It seems you have worked out some of the problems for yourself- the
>> 101 has proper facia buttons and is portable.The MIDI implementation
>> on both is the same - they are essentially the same machine.
>> There is little difference in terms of sound - they are based on PD
>> synthesis which distorts phase angle.The VZ is the professional
>> version.
>>
>> The manuals can be found:
>>
>>
>> http://templarseries.atspace.com/synths.html
>>
>> Transfer of memory via midi is not as easier task as it might be -
>> how to do it is on my CZ page.
>>
>>
>> http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html
>>
>> Obviously the higher numbered models CZ1/1000/3000/VZ have greater
>> implementation,some include sequencers.
>>
>> To my mind the 101 keyboard is a bit "springy" which I am guessing
>> is due to rubberised contacts - the 1000 has a better keyboard,but
>> as you say the naff membrane.
>> Watch out for the 230s - someone on ebay described it as a "wolf in
>> sheeps clothing" - which I'd tend to agree with. It has ROM voices
>> to avoid the tedious programming,but 4 RAM slots which will accept
>> CZ voices (96,97,98,99 last 4 slots) and a programmable drum machine/
>> sequencer,and the nice buttons of the 101,plus a built in
>> speaker,plus cassette storage backup.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: mm47 <marcoballins@...>
>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2012, 23:56
>> Subject: [CZsynth] choice of a CZ synth
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm new to this group!
>>
>> I intend to buy a CZ soon (probably on ebay) as I started to love
>> their sound (heard on some youtube videos).
>> I might also consider the VZ series, but only if it can exactly also
>> reproduce the CZ-1000 sounds.
>>
>> - Are there differences in terms of sound between the CZ models?
>> - How do they compare in terms of programming interface?
>> - How do they compare in terms of MIDI, and which has the most
>> complete implementation?
>>
>> MIDI implementation might be on key point in my choice as I heard
>> they can cumbersome to program, and anyway was thinking that I could
>> build a panel for CTRLR.org.
>> So, I'd choose the one which can be completely programmed via MIDI,
>> or the one which has most of the parameters programmable.
>>
>> I'm leaning towards the CZ-101 or the CZ-1000.
>> Of the CZ-101 I like the portability and the fact that it could fit
>> on my desk :)
>> Of the CZ-1000 I like the 49 keyboard format, but not much (the
>> feeling of) the membrane buttons (also, are they prone to break/
>> malfunction?)
>>
>> However my choice will be also depending on the MIDI implementation,
>> and if I can program them from the computer....
>> so any information or advice is much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Best,
>> Marco
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

On 5 Nov 2012, at 08:49, Jason Adkins wrote:

> Hi Lee,
>
> I forgot to mention on my reply you can also put the CZ101 around your
> neck with a normal guitar strap if you want to look like some eighties
> ponce,CZ101,DX100,SH101 and that other Roland thing AXIS? were popular
> if you wanted to look like an extra in a club scene from miami vice.
>
> On 5 Nov 2012, at 08:33, Lee Borrell wrote:
>
>> It seems you have worked out some of the problems for yourself- the
>> 101 has proper facia buttons and is portable.The MIDI implementation
>> on both is the same - they are essentially the same machine.
>> There is little difference in terms of sound - they are based on PD
>> synthesis which distorts phase angle.The VZ is the professional
>> version.
>>
>> The manuals can be found:
>>
>>
>> http://templarseries.atspace.com/synths.html
>>
>> Transfer of memory via midi is not as easier task as it might be -
>> how to do it is on my CZ page.
>>
>>
>> http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html
>>
>> Obviously the higher numbered models CZ1/1000/3000/VZ have greater
>> implementation,some include sequencers.
>>
>> To my mind the 101 keyboard is a bit "springy" which I am guessing
>> is due to rubberised contacts - the 1000 has a better keyboard,but
>> as you say the naff membrane.
>> Watch out for the 230s - someone on ebay described it as a "wolf in
>> sheeps clothing" - which I'd tend to agree with. It has ROM voices
>> to avoid the tedious programming,but 4 RAM slots which will accept
>> CZ voices (96,97,98,99 last 4 slots) and a programmable drum machine/
>> sequencer,and the nice buttons of the 101,plus a built in
>> speaker,plus cassette storage backup.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: mm47 <marcoballins@...>
>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2012, 23:56
>> Subject: [CZsynth] choice of a CZ synth
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm new to this group!
>>
>> I intend to buy a CZ soon (probably on ebay) as I started to love
>> their sound (heard on some youtube videos).
>> I might also consider the VZ series, but only if it can exactly also
>> reproduce the CZ-1000 sounds.
>>
>> - Are there differences in terms of sound between the CZ models?
>> - How do they compare in terms of programming interface?
>> - How do they compare in terms of MIDI, and which has the most
>> complete implementation?
>>
>> MIDI implementation might be on key point in my choice as I heard
>> they can cumbersome to program, and anyway was thinking that I could
>> build a panel for CTRLR.org.
>> So, I'd choose the one which can be completely programmed via MIDI,
>> or the one which has most of the parameters programmable.
>>
>> I'm leaning towards the CZ-101 or the CZ-1000.
>> Of the CZ-101 I like the portability and the fact that it could fit
>> on my desk :)
>> Of the CZ-1000 I like the 49 keyboard format, but not much (the
>> feeling of) the membrane buttons (also, are they prone to break/
>> malfunction?)
>>
>> However my choice will be also depending on the MIDI implementation,
>> and if I can program them from the computer....
>> so any information or advice is much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Best,
>> Marco
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

>
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm new to this group!
> 
> I intend to buy a CZ soon (probably on ebay) as I started to love their sound (heard on some youtube videos).
> I might also consider the VZ series, but only if it can exactly also reproduce the CZ-1000 sounds.
> 
> - Are there differences in terms of sound between the CZ models?
> - How do they compare in terms of programming interface?
> - How do they compare in terms of MIDI, and which has the most complete implementation?
> 
> MIDI implementation might be on key point in my choice as I heard they can cumbersome to program, and anyway was thinking that I could build a panel for CTRLR.org.
> So, I'd choose the one which can be completely programmed via MIDI, or the one which has most of the parameters programmable.
> 
> I'm leaning towards the CZ-101 or the CZ-1000.
> Of the CZ-101 I like the portability and the fact that it could fit on my desk :)
> Of the CZ-1000 I like the 49 keyboard format, but not much (the feeling of) the membrane buttons (also, are they prone to break/malfunction?)
> 
> However my choice will be also depending on the MIDI implementation, and if I can program them from the computer....
> so any information or advice is much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks.
> Best,
> Marco
>

> [...]
> there's is an atari editor for it called czartist, which may even 
> make you get an atari! this exists also for the VZ series, which 
> is a different synth with different textures.

On 5 Nov 2012, at 11:06, k9k9dog wrote:

> if you get a cz101 you will fall in love with it instantly.
> it is a plastic classic!
> but try to get a RA3 RAM cartridge with it, as it doubles the
> number of presets, essential.
> there's is an atari editor for it called czartist, which may even
> make you get an atari! this exists also for the VZ series, which
> is a different synth with different textures.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "mm47" <marcoballins@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm new to this group!
>>
>> I intend to buy a CZ soon (probably on ebay) as I started to love  
>> their sound (heard on some youtube videos).
>> I might also consider the VZ series, but only if it can exactly  
>> also reproduce the CZ-1000 sounds.
>>
>> - Are there differences in terms of sound between the CZ models?
>> - How do they compare in terms of programming interface?
>> - How do they compare in terms of MIDI, and which has the most  
>> complete implementation?
>>
>> MIDI implementation might be on key point in my choice as I heard  
>> they can cumbersome to program, and anyway was thinking that I  
>> could build a panel for CTRLR.org.
>> So, I'd choose the one which can be completely programmed via MIDI,  
>> or the one which has most of the parameters programmable.
>>
>> I'm leaning towards the CZ-101 or the CZ-1000.
>> Of the CZ-101 I like the portability and the fact that it could fit  
>> on my desk :)
>> Of the CZ-1000 I like the 49 keyboard format, but not much (the  
>> feeling of) the membrane buttons (also, are they prone to break/ 
>> malfunction?)
>>
>> However my choice will be also depending on the MIDI  
>> implementation, and if I can program them from the computer....
>> so any information or advice is much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Best,
>> Marco
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

On 5 Nov 2012, at 11:11, mm47 wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> thank you all for the suggestions and considerations!
>
> I have other synths, so the casio won't be my only one.
> From this perspective, I don't care much about polyphony: 6 voices  
> would be enough for me.
> Also, I am not sure I really want multitimbral, though having it  
> would not be bad :)
>
> Patch storage and sequencer are not important for me.
> I also don't care about key-straps, as I am not performing on stage,  
> only using it at home.
>
> I think the most important aspects for me, beside the sound, is a  
> complete MIDI implementation, that will allow me to program patches  
> ENTIRELY using the computer.
>
> So, the big question is: which of the CZ can do that?
>
> I understand from comments that most (some) have actually good  
> interface on the synth. Nonetheless, I am still looking for  
> programming only from the computer. (Beside patch storage on the PC,  
> I am also thinking about integration into a DAW, namely Ableton Live  
> in my case).
> This might be the key parameter in the choice, other aspects being  
> secondary.
>
> I had a quick look at the MIDI specs of the CZ-1, and it seemed to  
> me that it had more MIDI capabilities.
> But I could not understand, if all sound parameters on the CZ-1 are  
> programmable via MIDI, and what is the situation with the others.
>
> Thank you templarser. I will definetely have a look at your page:
> http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html
> However, do you know already, off the top of your head, if some  
> parameters cannot be programmed via MIDI on some CZs?
>
>
> About the VZ, I also really like it's sound, but from couple of  
> demos I had the impression it's a different synth, the VZ having  
> more clean, bright, or even harsh, sound, while the CZ being more lo- 
> fi, organic (not in terms of organ). It is actually that organic  
> feeling that I am looking after!
> So I thought I won't get from the VZ the exact same sounds as the  
> CZ... (I know one day I'll probably get a VZ too! ;)). Am I wrong  
> here?
>
> Back to the CZ, are there differences in the sound engine sound  
> (besides polyphony)?
> And how do they compare in terms of, for example, noise?
> I would be tended to think that the CZ-101 might have more noise  
> (like the DX-100 has more noise than the DX7, at least that was my  
> impression, since I don't own those), but this might be a wrong  
> assumption.
>
> Thanks.
> Best,
> Marco
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

On 5 Nov 2012, at 12:21, Simon Beck wrote:

> I posted the folllowing a while back on the Nord forum, under the  
> topic of "Favourite Synths". I'm not exactly certain why the 101  
> worked for me and the CZ-1 didn't, but here we go:
>
> "I eventually added a Casio CZ-101 to my rig and became quite adept  
> at programming it, primarily with imitative sounds, from percussion  
> to guitars, saxes and steel drums. Somewhere I still have a ring- 
> binder full of patch-sheets that I created. Along with the preset  
> CT-202, the CZ-101 was my main synth for many years. You can hear  
> some of the music I made with those two Casios here.
>
> "About 12 years ago it stopped working, and I replaced it with a  
> second-hand CZ-1, with a full-size 5-octave keyboard, 16-note  
> polyphony and velocity and after-touch. All my old patches worked  
> fine, but somehow the magic was gone. I wasn't too upset when it got  
> stolen a few years later."
>
> Simon Beck
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

 From: k9k9dog <domgoold@...>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2012, 11:06
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: choice of a CZ synth
 

  
if you get a cz101 you will fall in love with it instantly. 
it is a plastic classic!
but try to get a RA3 RAM cartridge with it, as it doubles the 
number of presets, essential.
there's is an atari editor for it called czartist, which may even 
make you get an atari! this exists also for the VZ series, which 
is a different synth with different textures.

--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "mm47" <marcoballins@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm new to this group!
> 
> I intend to buy a CZ soon (probably on ebay) as I started to love their sound (heard on some youtube videos).
> I might also consider the VZ series, but only if it can exactly also reproduce the CZ-1000 sounds.
> 
> - Are there differences in terms of sound between the CZ models?
> - How do they compare in terms of programming interface?
> - How do they compare in terms of MIDI, and which has the most complete implementation?
> 
> MIDI implementation might be on key point in my choice as I heard they can cumbersome to program, and anyway was thinking that I could build a panel for CTRLR.org.
> So, I'd choose the one which can be completely programmed via MIDI, or the one which has most of the parameters programmable.
> 
> I'm leaning towards the CZ-101 or the CZ-1000.
> Of the CZ-101 I like the portability and the fact that it could fit on my desk :)
> Of the CZ-1000 I like the 49 keyboard format, but not much (the feeling of) the membrane buttons (also, are they prone to break/malfunction?)
> 
> However my choice will be also depending on the MIDI implementation, and if I can program them from the computer....
> so any information or advice is much appreciated.
> 
> Thanks.
> Best,
> Marco
>


 

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>
> Hi again,have you researched MidiQuest because I think that will auto- 
> create a VST plugin for your DAW,I have seen it working with similar  
> vintage synth's like the K3 or DX27 on Cubase VST5/SX3/5 so I don't  
> see why it shouldn't work with the CZ's because they have a pretty  
> good midi implementation.Of course if you want to get technical you  
> could always run the ST emulator STEEM and run the old stuff.
> 
> J
> 
> On 5 Nov 2012, at 11:11, mm47 wrote:
> 
> > Hi all!
> >
> > thank you all for the suggestions and considerations!
> >
> > I have other synths, so the casio won't be my only one.
> > From this perspective, I don't care much about polyphony: 6 voices  
> > would be enough for me.
> > Also, I am not sure I really want multitimbral, though having it  
> > would not be bad :)
> >
> > Patch storage and sequencer are not important for me.
> > I also don't care about key-straps, as I am not performing on stage,  
> > only using it at home.
> >
> > I think the most important aspects for me, beside the sound, is a  
> > complete MIDI implementation, that will allow me to program patches  
> > ENTIRELY using the computer.
> >
> > So, the big question is: which of the CZ can do that?
> >
> > I understand from comments that most (some) have actually good  
> > interface on the synth. Nonetheless, I am still looking for  
> > programming only from the computer. (Beside patch storage on the PC,  
> > I am also thinking about integration into a DAW, namely Ableton Live  
> > in my case).
> > This might be the key parameter in the choice, other aspects being  
> > secondary.
> >
> > I had a quick look at the MIDI specs of the CZ-1, and it seemed to  
> > me that it had more MIDI capabilities.
> > But I could not understand, if all sound parameters on the CZ-1 are  
> > programmable via MIDI, and what is the situation with the others.
> >
> > Thank you templarser. I will definetely have a look at your page:
> > http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html
> > However, do you know already, off the top of your head, if some  
> > parameters cannot be programmed via MIDI on some CZs?
> >
> >
> > About the VZ, I also really like it's sound, but from couple of  
> > demos I had the impression it's a different synth, the VZ having  
> > more clean, bright, or even harsh, sound, while the CZ being more lo- 
> > fi, organic (not in terms of organ). It is actually that organic  
> > feeling that I am looking after!
> > So I thought I won't get from the VZ the exact same sounds as the  
> > CZ... (I know one day I'll probably get a VZ too! ;)). Am I wrong  
> > here?
> >
> > Back to the CZ, are there differences in the sound engine sound  
> > (besides polyphony)?
> > And how do they compare in terms of, for example, noise?
> > I would be tended to think that the CZ-101 might have more noise  
> > (like the DX-100 has more noise than the DX7, at least that was my  
> > impression, since I don't own those), but this might be a wrong  
> > assumption.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Best,
> > Marco
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

 From: mm47 <marcoballins@...>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2012, 11:11
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: choice of a CZ synth
 

  
Hi all!

thank you all for the suggestions and considerations!

I have other synths, so the casio won't be my only one.
From this perspective, I don't care much about polyphony: 6 voices would be enough for me.
Also, I am not sure I really want multitimbral, though having it would not be bad :)

Patch storage and sequencer are not important for me.
I also don't care about key-straps, as I am not performing on stage, only using it at home.

I think the most important aspects for me, beside the sound, is a complete MIDI implementation, that will allow me to program patches ENTIRELY using the computer.

So, the big question is: which of the CZ can do that?

I understand from comments that most (some) have actually good interface on the synth. Nonetheless, I am still looking for programming only from the computer. (Beside patch storage on the PC, I am also thinking about integration into a DAW, namely Ableton Live in my case).
This might be the key parameter in the choice, other aspects being secondary.

I had a quick look at the MIDI specs of the CZ-1, and it seemed to me that it had more MIDI capabilities.
But I could not understand, if all sound parameters on the CZ-1 are programmable via MIDI, and what is the situation with the others.

Thank you templarser. I will definetely have a look at your page:
http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html
However, do you know already, off the top of your head, if some parameters cannot be programmed via MIDI on some CZs?

About the VZ, I also really like it's sound, but from couple of demos I had the impression it's a different synth, the VZ having more clean, bright, or even harsh, sound, while the CZ being more lo-fi, organic (not in terms of organ). It is actually that organic feeling that I am looking after!
So I thought I won't get from the VZ the exact same sounds as the CZ... (I know one day I'll probably get a VZ too! ;)). Am I wrong here?

Back to the CZ, are there differences in the sound engine sound (besides polyphony)?
And how do they compare in terms of, for example, noise?
I would be tended to think that the CZ-101 might have more noise (like the DX-100 has more noise than the DX7, at least that was my impression, since I don't own those), but this might be a wrong assumption.

Thanks.
Best,
Marco


 

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On 5 Nov 2012, at 12:54, Lee Borrell wrote:

> I like "plastic classic" - pretty much defines retro. Upon Charle's  
> enthusiasm I got hold of the Atari ST because it has editors  
> available. However,it seems people are heading down the plugin route  
> a la
>
>
> http://ctrlr.org/page.php?p=ddb
>
> as was mentioned.
>
> My brother is looking to make xml templates via VB (I think) - which  
> ma resurrect my VB editor.
>
> http://templarseries.atspace.com/pss480.html
>
> I started on Yamaha's PSS480 - but had imagined to include all other  
> retro platforms - something along the lines of Martin Tarenskeen's  
> DX editor (DX forum).I have no idea about XML - other than it is a  
> sort of create your own variable type...perhaps something will come  
> it.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: k9k9dog <domgoold@...>
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, 5 November 2012, 11:06
> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: choice of a CZ synth
>
>
>
> if you get a cz101 you will fall in love with it instantly.
> it is a plastic classic!
> but try to get a RA3 RAM cartridge with it, as it doubles the
> number of presets, essential.
> there's is an atari editor for it called czartist, which may even
> make you get an atari! this exists also for the VZ series, which
> is a different synth with different textures.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "mm47" <marcoballins@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm new to this group!
>>
>> I intend to buy a CZ soon (probably on ebay) as I started to love  
>> their sound (heard on some youtube videos).
>> I might also consider the VZ series, but only if it can exactly  
>> also reproduce the CZ-1000 sounds.
>>
>> - Are there differences in terms of sound between the CZ models?
>> - How do they compare in terms of programming interface?
>> - How do they compare in terms of MIDI, and which has the most  
>> complete implementation?
>>
>> MIDI implementation might be on key point in my choice as I heard  
>> they can cumbersome to program, and anyway was thinking that I  
>> could build a panel for CTRLR.org.
>> So, I'd choose the one which can be completely programmed via MIDI,  
>> or the one which has most of the parameters programmable.
>>
>> I'm leaning towards the CZ-101 or the CZ-1000.
>> Of the CZ-101 I like the portability and the fact that it could fit  
>> on my desk :)
>> Of the CZ-1000 I like the 49 keyboard format, but not much (the  
>> feeling of) the membrane buttons (also, are they prone to break/ 
>> malfunction?)
>>
>> However my choice will be also depending on the MIDI  
>> implementation, and if I can program them from the computer....
>> so any information or advice is much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Best,
>> Marco
>>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

 From: Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2012, 13:14
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: choice of a CZ synth
 

  
Depends how retro you want to be,they were all metal in the seventies.
Yeah now there's an idea an Atari ST Plugin for a DAW....... ;)

J

On 5 Nov 2012, at 12:54, Lee Borrell wrote:

> I like "plastic classic" - pretty much defines retro. Upon Charle's 
> enthusiasm I got hold of the Atari ST because it has editors 
> available. However,it seems people are heading down the plugin route 
> a la
>
>
> http://ctrlr.org/page.php?p=ddb
>
> as was mentioned.
>
> My brother is looking to make xml templates via VB (I think) - which 
> ma resurrect my VB editor.
>
> http://templarseries.atspace.com/pss480.html
>
> I started on Yamaha's PSS480 - but had imagined to include all other 
> retro platforms - something along the lines of Martin Tarenskeen's 
> DX editor (DX forum).I have no idea about XML - other than it is a 
> sort of create your own variable type...perhaps something will come 
> it.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: k9k9dog <domgoold@...>
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, 5 November 2012, 11:06
> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: choice of a CZ synth
>
>
>
> if you get a cz101 you will fall in love with it instantly.
> it is a plastic classic!
> but try to get a RA3 RAM cartridge with it, as it doubles the
> number of presets, essential.
> there's is an atari editor for it called czartist, which may even
> make you get an atari! this exists also for the VZ series, which
> is a different synth with different textures.
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "mm47" <marcoballins@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm new to this group!
>>
>> I intend to buy a CZ soon (probably on ebay) as I started to love 
>> their sound (heard on some youtube videos).
>> I might also consider the VZ series, but only if it can exactly 
>> also reproduce the CZ-1000 sounds.
>>
>> - Are there differences in terms of sound between the CZ models?
>> - How do they compare in terms of programming interface?
>> - How do they compare in terms of MIDI, and which has the most 
>> complete implementation?
>>
>> MIDI implementation might be on key point in my choice as I heard 
>> they can cumbersome to program, and anyway was thinking that I 
>> could build a panel for CTRLR.org.
>> So, I'd choose the one which can be completely programmed via MIDI, 
>> or the one which has most of the parameters programmable.
>>
>> I'm leaning towards the CZ-101 or the CZ-1000.
>> Of the CZ-101 I like the portability and the fact that it could fit 
>> on my desk :)
>> Of the CZ-1000 I like the 49 keyboard format, but not much (the 
>> feeling of) the membrane buttons (also, are they prone to break/ 
>> malfunction?)
>>
>> However my choice will be also depending on the MIDI 
>> implementation, and if I can program them from the computer....
>> so any information or advice is much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Best,
>> Marco
>>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


 

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On 5 Nov 2012, at 13:42, Lee Borrell wrote:

> You are right,some may have lasted this long because of it- amazing  
> that the plastic fantastic ones have survived also. The later are  
> easier to patch up if the case gets destroyed - though the former  
> are unlikely to have bits missing! I suspect the FZ would survive  
> Iron Man's "Jericho"!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNAgFhh1ji4
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...>
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, 5 November 2012, 13:14
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: choice of a CZ synth
>
>
>
> Depends how retro you want to be,they were all metal in the seventies.
> Yeah now there's an idea an Atari ST Plugin for a DAW....... ;)
>
> J
>
> On 5 Nov 2012, at 12:54, Lee Borrell wrote:
>
>> I like "plastic classic" - pretty much defines retro. Upon Charle's
>> enthusiasm I got hold of the Atari ST because it has editors
>> available. However,it seems people are heading down the plugin route
>> a la
>>
>>
>> http://ctrlr.org/page.php?p=ddb
>>
>> as was mentioned.
>>
>> My brother is looking to make xml templates via VB (I think) - which
>> ma resurrect my VB editor.
>>
>> http://templarseries.atspace.com/pss480.html
>>
>> I started on Yamaha's PSS480 - but had imagined to include all other
>> retro platforms - something along the lines of Martin Tarenskeen's
>> DX editor (DX forum).I have no idea about XML - other than it is a
>> sort of create your own variable type...perhaps something will come
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: k9k9dog <domgoold@...>
>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, 5 November 2012, 11:06
>> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: choice of a CZ synth
>>
>>
>>
>> if you get a cz101 you will fall in love with it instantly.
>> it is a plastic classic!
>> but try to get a RA3 RAM cartridge with it, as it doubles the
>> number of presets, essential.
>> there's is an atari editor for it called czartist, which may even
>> make you get an atari! this exists also for the VZ series, which
>> is a different synth with different textures.
>>
>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "mm47" <marcoballins@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm new to this group!
>>>
>>> I intend to buy a CZ soon (probably on ebay) as I started to love
>>> their sound (heard on some youtube videos).
>>> I might also consider the VZ series, but only if it can exactly
>>> also reproduce the CZ-1000 sounds.
>>>
>>> - Are there differences in terms of sound between the CZ models?
>>> - How do they compare in terms of programming interface?
>>> - How do they compare in terms of MIDI, and which has the most
>>> complete implementation?
>>>
>>> MIDI implementation might be on key point in my choice as I heard
>>> they can cumbersome to program, and anyway was thinking that I
>>> could build a panel for CTRLR.org.
>>> So, I'd choose the one which can be completely programmed via MIDI,
>>> or the one which has most of the parameters programmable.
>>>
>>> I'm leaning towards the CZ-101 or the CZ-1000.
>>> Of the CZ-101 I like the portability and the fact that it could fit
>>> on my desk :)
>>> Of the CZ-1000 I like the 49 keyboard format, but not much (the
>>> feeling of) the membrane buttons (also, are they prone to break/
>>> malfunction?)
>>>
>>> However my choice will be also depending on the MIDI
>>> implementation, and if I can program them from the computer....
>>> so any information or advice is much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Best,
>>> Marco
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

On Nov 6, 2012, at 12:53 AM, Jason Adkins wrote:

> Like the Iron Man clip, very timely........
>
> Well,my EX-800 has survived although I think it has been opened up and
> renovated over the years,and so it should have been the money I paid
> for it,this has 6 stage envelopes by the way. ;)
> I thought your FM/PD/LA video was pretty good,I'm looking forward to
> watching the Kawai additive and additive+pcm one.
>
> J
>
> On 5 Nov 2012, at 13:42, Lee Borrell wrote:
>
>> You are right,some may have lasted this long because of it- amazing
>> that the plastic fantastic ones have survived also. The later are
>> easier to patch up if the case gets destroyed - though the former
>> are unlikely to have bits missing! I suspect the FZ would survive
>> Iron Man's "Jericho"!
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNAgFhh1ji4
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...>
>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, 5 November 2012, 13:14
>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: choice of a CZ synth
>>
>>
>>
>> Depends how retro you want to be,they were all metal in the  
>> seventies.
>> Yeah now there's an idea an Atari ST Plugin for a DAW....... ;)
>>
>> J
>>
>> On 5 Nov 2012, at 12:54, Lee Borrell wrote:
>>
>>> I like "plastic classic" - pretty much defines retro. Upon Charle's
>>> enthusiasm I got hold of the Atari ST because it has editors
>>> available. However,it seems people are heading down the plugin route
>>> a la
>>>
>>>
>>> http://ctrlr.org/page.php?p=ddb
>>>
>>> as was mentioned.
>>>
>>> My brother is looking to make xml templates via VB (I think) - which
>>> ma resurrect my VB editor.
>>>
>>> http://templarseries.atspace.com/pss480.html
>>>
>>> I started on Yamaha's PSS480 - but had imagined to include all other
>>> retro platforms - something along the lines of Martin Tarenskeen's
>>> DX editor (DX forum).I have no idea about XML - other than it is a
>>> sort of create your own variable type...perhaps something will come
>>> it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: k9k9dog <domgoold@...>
>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Monday, 5 November 2012, 11:06
>>> Subject: [CZsynth] Re: choice of a CZ synth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> if you get a cz101 you will fall in love with it instantly.
>>> it is a plastic classic!
>>> but try to get a RA3 RAM cartridge with it, as it doubles the
>>> number of presets, essential.
>>> there's is an atari editor for it called czartist, which may even
>>> make you get an atari! this exists also for the VZ series, which
>>> is a different synth with different textures.
>>>
>>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "mm47" <marcoballins@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm new to this group!
>>>>
>>>> I intend to buy a CZ soon (probably on ebay) as I started to love
>>>> their sound (heard on some youtube videos).
>>>> I might also consider the VZ series, but only if it can exactly
>>>> also reproduce the CZ-1000 sounds.
>>>>
>>>> - Are there differences in terms of sound between the CZ models?
>>>> - How do they compare in terms of programming interface?
>>>> - How do they compare in terms of MIDI, and which has the most
>>>> complete implementation?
>>>>
>>>> MIDI implementation might be on key point in my choice as I heard
>>>> they can cumbersome to program, and anyway was thinking that I
>>>> could build a panel for CTRLR.org.
>>>> So, I'd choose the one which can be completely programmed via MIDI,
>>>> or the one which has most of the parameters programmable.
>>>>
>>>> I'm leaning towards the CZ-101 or the CZ-1000.
>>>> Of the CZ-101 I like the portability and the fact that it could fit
>>>> on my desk :)
>>>> Of the CZ-1000 I like the 49 keyboard format, but not much (the
>>>> feeling of) the membrane buttons (also, are they prone to break/
>>>> malfunction?)
>>>>
>>>> However my choice will be also depending on the MIDI
>>>> implementation, and if I can program them from the computer....
>>>> so any information or advice is much appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Marco
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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>
>

On 5 Nov 2012, at 18:02, Jez wrote:

> Vince used an SH101 in the Nobody's Diary video.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc0SL06ByAM
>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Jason Adkins
> <jason_ralf808@...>wrote:
>
>> he he he,
>>
>> Yeah If I wanted to put a CZ1000 around my neck/shoulder or the other
>> one that I forgot the Poly800, I'd have to be a olympic disc thrower
>> or something,you should try a Moog Liberation or a SynthAXE to look
>> really cool eighties.
>> Talking of Erasure,didn't I see Vince using an SH101 in guitar  
>> fashion
>> in a vid or top of the pops?
>>
>>
>> On 5 Nov 2012, at 09:00, Lee Borrell wrote:
>>
>>> Yes - the 230 and the 1000 also have the strap buttons - but you are
>>> liable to get a neck injury using those. As it happens I like being
>>> an 80s ponce,which is why I have the DX100 with the buttons/strap a
>>> shs10 to really be a ponce....been trying to get the shs200 and AZ1-
>>> came close a couple of times,but supreme poncing has so far eluded
>>> me....but at least my neck is intact!
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...>
>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>> Sent: Monday, 5 November 2012, 8:49
>>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] choice of a CZ synth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Lee,
>>>
>>> I forgot to mention on my reply you can also put the CZ101 around  
>>> your
>>> neck with a normal guitar strap if you want to look like some  
>>> eighties
>>> ponce,CZ101,DX100,SH101 and that other Roland thing AXIS? were  
>>> popular
>>> if you wanted to look like an extra in a club scene from miami vice.
>>>
>>> On 5 Nov 2012, at 08:33, Lee Borrell wrote:
>>>
>>>> It seems you have worked out some of the problems for yourself- the
>>>> 101 has proper facia buttons and is portable.The MIDI  
>>>> implementation
>>>> on both is the same - they are essentially the same machine.
>>>> There is little difference in terms of sound - they are based on PD
>>>> synthesis which distorts phase angle.The VZ is the professional
>>>> version.
>>>>
>>>> The manuals can be found:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://templarseries.atspace.com/synths.html
>>>>
>>>> Transfer of memory via midi is not as easier task as it might be -
>>>> how to do it is on my CZ page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html
>>>>
>>>> Obviously the higher numbered models CZ1/1000/3000/VZ have greater
>>>> implementation,some include sequencers.
>>>>
>>>> To my mind the 101 keyboard is a bit "springy" which I am guessing
>>>> is due to rubberised contacts - the 1000 has a better keyboard,but
>>>> as you say the naff membrane.
>>>> Watch out for the 230s - someone on ebay described it as a "wolf in
>>>> sheeps clothing" - which I'd tend to agree with. It has ROM voices
>>>> to avoid the tedious programming,but 4 RAM slots which will accept
>>>> CZ voices (96,97,98,99 last 4 slots) and a programmable drum  
>>>> machine/
>>>> sequencer,and the nice buttons of the 101,plus a built in
>>>> speaker,plus cassette storage backup.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: mm47 <marcoballins@...>
>>>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>>>> Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2012, 23:56
>>>> Subject: [CZsynth] choice of a CZ synth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm new to this group!
>>>>
>>>> I intend to buy a CZ soon (probably on ebay) as I started to love
>>>> their sound (heard on some youtube videos).
>>>> I might also consider the VZ series, but only if it can exactly  
>>>> also
>>>> reproduce the CZ-1000 sounds.
>>>>
>>>> - Are there differences in terms of sound between the CZ models?
>>>> - How do they compare in terms of programming interface?
>>>> - How do they compare in terms of MIDI, and which has the most
>>>> complete implementation?
>>>>
>>>> MIDI implementation might be on key point in my choice as I heard
>>>> they can cumbersome to program, and anyway was thinking that I  
>>>> could
>>>> build a panel for CTRLR.org.
>>>> So, I'd choose the one which can be completely programmed via MIDI,
>>>> or the one which has most of the parameters programmable.
>>>>
>>>> I'm leaning towards the CZ-101 or the CZ-1000.
>>>> Of the CZ-101 I like the portability and the fact that it could fit
>>>> on my desk :)
>>>> Of the CZ-1000 I like the 49 keyboard format, but not much (the
>>>> feeling of) the membrane buttons (also, are they prone to break/
>>>> malfunction?)
>>>>
>>>> However my choice will be also depending on the MIDI  
>>>> implementation,
>>>> and if I can program them from the computer....
>>>> so any information or advice is much appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Marco
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>
> Get the CZ101,It has no internal battery to leak all over the  
> motherboard (it uses normal batteries for everything) the CZ1000 is  
> the same machine but has full sized keys,I never liked the buttons on  
> it but they are a lot cheaper than the CZ101.
> Obviously the CZ3000/5000/CZ1 sound "thicker" because of more  
> polyphony but at a higher price and are prone to PSU f**k ups.
> If you can find one a VZ8m is a good compromise and shouldn't cost you  
> too much but it won't load CZ sysex data like the rest of the VZ  
> synths if that is important but will load VZ1/10m.
> There was also a weird home version called the CZ230S which was a  
> preset CZ101 with a built-in drum machine and If I recall you could  
> program it over midi?
> 
> J
> 
> On 4 Nov 2012, at 23:56, mm47 wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm new to this group!
> >
> > I intend to buy a CZ soon (probably on ebay) as I started to love  
> > their sound (heard on some youtube videos).
> > I might also consider the VZ series, but only if it can exactly also  
> > reproduce the CZ-1000 sounds.
> >
> > - Are there differences in terms of sound between the CZ models?
> > - How do they compare in terms of programming interface?
> > - How do they compare in terms of MIDI, and which has the most  
> > complete implementation?
> >
> > MIDI implementation might be on key point in my choice as I heard  
> > they can cumbersome to program, and anyway was thinking that I could  
> > build a panel for CTRLR.org.
> > So, I'd choose the one which can be completely programmed via MIDI,  
> > or the one which has most of the parameters programmable.
> >
> > I'm leaning towards the CZ-101 or the CZ-1000.
> > Of the CZ-101 I like the portability and the fact that it could fit  
> > on my desk :)
> > Of the CZ-1000 I like the 49 keyboard format, but not much (the  
> > feeling of) the membrane buttons (also, are they prone to break/ 
> > malfunction?)
> >
> > However my choice will be also depending on the MIDI implementation,  
> > and if I can program them from the computer....
> > so any information or advice is much appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Best,
> > Marco
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

From: "mm47" <marcoballins@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 6:11 AM
Subject: [CZsynth] Re: choice of a CZ synth


> Hi all!
>
> thank you all for the suggestions and considerations!
>
> I have other synths, so the casio won't be my only one.
> From this perspective, I don't care much about polyphony: 6 voices would 
> be enough for me.
> Also, I am not sure I really want multitimbral, though having it would not 
> be bad :)
>
> Patch storage and sequencer are not important for me.
> I also don't care about key-straps, as I am not performing on stage, only 
> using it at home.
>
> I think the most important aspects for me, beside the sound, is a complete 
> MIDI implementation, that will allow me to program patches ENTIRELY using 
> the computer.
>
> So, the big question is: which of the CZ can do that?
>
> I understand from comments that most (some) have actually good interface 
> on the synth. Nonetheless, I am still looking for programming only from 
> the computer. (Beside patch storage on the PC, I am also thinking about 
> integration into a DAW, namely Ableton Live in my case).
> This might be the key parameter in the choice, other aspects being 
> secondary.
>
> I had a quick look at the MIDI specs of the CZ-1, and it seemed to me that 
> it had more MIDI capabilities.
> But I could not understand, if all sound parameters on the CZ-1 are 
> programmable via MIDI, and what is the situation with the others.
>
> Thank you templarser. I will definetely have a look at your page:
> http://templarseries.atspace.com/cz.html
> However, do you know already, off the top of your head, if some parameters 
> cannot be programmed via MIDI on some CZs?
>
>
> About the VZ, I also really like it's sound, but from couple of demos I 
> had the impression it's a different synth, the VZ having more clean, 
> bright, or even harsh, sound, while the CZ being more lo-fi, organic (not 
> in terms of organ). It is actually that organic feeling that I am looking 
> after!
> So I thought I won't get from the VZ the exact same sounds as the CZ... (I 
> know one day I'll probably get a VZ too! ;)). Am I wrong here?
>
> Back to the CZ, are there differences in the sound engine sound (besides 
> polyphony)?
> And how do they compare in terms of, for example, noise?
> I would be tended to think that the CZ-101 might have more noise (like the 
> DX-100 has more noise than the DX7, at least that was my impression, since 
> I don't own those), but this might be a wrong assumption.
>
> Thanks.
> Best,
> Marco
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

On Nov 5, 2012, at 10:01 PM, mm47 wrote:

> Hi Jason,
>
> I did not look if MidiQuest has the plugin for the CZ.
> It is actually an option... though I am not going for it, given the  
> high price.
> CTRLR is freeware and seems to work pretty nicely.
> Of course if other free editors/VST-plugins for the CZ already  
> exist, I would not (maybe) spending time making a new one.
> Otherwise I would not mind making a CZ panel for CTRLR and prefer it  
> over the MidiQuest alternative (I have been making a panel for the  
> Kawai XD-5 and it's actually quite fun).
> Atari or other old stuff is definitely not an option for me: I want  
> to use current Mac OS X and Live.
>
> Best,
> Marco

On Nov 6, 2012, at 6:57 AM, mm47 wrote:

> Hi, does this mean that when you replace the batteries in the CZ-101  
> will be lost?
>
> Cheers,
> Marco
>
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...>  
> wrote:
>>
>> Get the CZ101,It has no internal battery to leak all over the
>> motherboard (it uses normal batteries for everything)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Daniel Forró 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 9:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: choice of a CZ synth


    
  If you mean data in RAM, I think not. If I'm not wrong there's some 
  capacitor inside which keeps voltage few minutes, enough for changing 
  the battery. And clever hitech user has always backup of his valuable 
  data :-)

  Daniel Forro

  On Nov 6, 2012, at 6:57 AM, mm47 wrote:

  > Hi, does this mean that when you replace the batteries in the CZ-101 
  > will be lost?
  >
  > Cheers,
  > Marco
  >
  >
  > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, Jason Adkins <jason_ralf808@...> 
  > wrote:
  >>
  >> Get the CZ101,It has no internal battery to leak all over the
  >> motherboard (it uses normal batteries for everything)


  

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>
> always back it up 
> 
> as the you wont get disapointed if your not quick enough changing the battery
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Daniel Forró 
>   To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 9:52 AM
>   Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: choice of a CZ synth
> 
>

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Carl Lofgren 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 4:39 PM
  Subject: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes


    
  Hi everyone - can someone explain in plain english how one should think when programming Casio envelopes?

  At the moment I've been banging my head against my Casio FZ and I'm trying to create a simple ADSR envelope, but no sir. Maybe my caffeine level is too low - but I'm totally lost among the 8-stage envelope here.

  Anyone who can help me in the right direction?

  /C

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mondovermona 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 1:20 PM
  Subject: [CZsynth] Re: choice of a CZ synth


    
  This is an interesting discussion to follow! I am also new to this group. I recently got myself a CZ 3000 and I find the sounds unique and fresh. 

  Here are my five cents to this discusion:

  Though I play the synth via MIDI, I always appreciate the 61 full size keys for quick testing and tweaking of the programmed patches.

  Are there different versions of CZ-synths around? I have opened my CZ-3000 and found that there is some erroneous info on the tech specs and details of the CZ-3000 and others here in this group and in the net: 

  The CZ-3000's circuitry IMHO has not as much details in common with the CZ-1 as proposed here elsewhere. I wish I had the repair manual and/or schematics for the CZ-3000 (any one?). The CZ-3000 is more "out of the box" while the CZ-1 has more internal adjustments available. This you might dislike, but I like to do adjustments which help me to bring back more than twenty years old electronics to their original specs (and sound). This may make the CZ-1 your favourite.

  My CZ-3000 does NOT have an internal (on board) battery. Mine has an external battery compartment, remote from any PCB. There is no risk of acid leakage on the PCB. Does your CZ-3000 / CZ-5000 have an on board battery?

  IMHO, the old LCDs are crap and a (new) backlit LCD is a must! If you cannot get a CZ-1 (with a working backlight) you may want to replace the original display with a LED-backlit one. Don't forget to use a series resistor (60-100 Ohms) for the LED (I found other descriptions here which are wrong or misleading.) If you do not want to go into electronis, the need for a backlit LCD also may make the CZ-1 your favourite, provided that the backlight it still working...

  --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
  >
  > always back it up 
  > 
  > as the you wont get disapointed if your not quick enough changing the battery
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Daniel Forró 
  > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 9:52 AM
  > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: choice of a CZ synth
  > 
  >



  

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On Nov 8, 2012, at 1:39 AM, Carl Lofgren wrote:

> Hi everyone - can someone explain in plain english how one should  
> think when programming Casio envelopes?
>
> At the moment I've been banging my head against my Casio FZ and I'm  
> trying to create a simple ADSR envelope, but no sir. Maybe my  
> caffeine level is too low - but I'm totally lost among the 8-stage  
> envelope here.
>
> Anyone who can help me in the right direction?

From: "Carl Lofgren" <carl_lofgren@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:39 AM
Subject: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes


> Hi everyone - can someone explain in plain english how one should think 
> when programming Casio envelopes?
>
> At the moment I've been banging my head against my Casio FZ and I'm trying 
> to create a simple ADSR envelope, but no sir. Maybe my caffeine level is 
> too low - but I'm totally lost among the 8-stage envelope here.
>
> Anyone who can help me in the right direction?
>
> /C
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Daniel Forró 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes


    
  I'm not sure about my English as non native speaker, but let's try. 
  Hopefully you will understand. It's quite easy after two strong 
  espresso coffees:

  ADSR envelope has four segments:
  Attack Time
  Decay Time
  Sustain Level
  Release Time

  To simulate this on CZ, you have to use 3 steps:
  Step 1:
  R1 = will simulate Attack time, set for example 50 or as necessary. 
  Decrease this value for slower Attack time, increase for faster Attack 
  time. With 99 there's no Attack segment.
  L1 = set to 99 to get full range envelope

  Step 2 - set SUS for this step:
  R2 = will simulate Decay time, set for example 50 or as necessary. 
  Decrease this value for slower Decay time, increase for faster Decay 
  time. When 99, there's no Decay segment.
  L2 = simulates Sustain. To get Decay segment it must be set lower then 
  L1, for example 50. When L1 = L2, there's no Decay, in such case R2 
  can be set to any value because it's not effective.

  Step 3 - set END for this step:
  R3 = will simulate Release time, set for example 50 or as necessary. 
  Decrease this value for longer Release time, increase for shorter 
  Release time.
  L3 = when selecting END for this step it will be set automatically to 0

  Was this right direction?

  If you are interested in CZ programming I would recommend you two 
  books which can be found somewhere on the net:
  - An Insider's Guide to Casio CZ Synthesizers
  - The Easy CZ Book

  And of course standard Casio CZ Sound Synthesis Handbook, and Summary.

  Daniel Forro

  On Nov 8, 2012, at 1:39 AM, Carl Lofgren wrote:

  > Hi everyone - can someone explain in plain english how one should 
  > think when programming Casio envelopes?
  >
  > At the moment I've been banging my head against my Casio FZ and I'm 
  > trying to create a simple ADSR envelope, but no sir. Maybe my 
  > caffeine level is too low - but I'm totally lost among the 8-stage 
  > envelope here.
  >
  > Anyone who can help me in the right direction?



  

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On Nov 9, 2012, at 5:25 PM, jammie wrote:

> daniel that is the correct way
>
> but you have done an asr envelope you need 4 steps
>
> yes by setting end at the last step the envelope will finish
>
> and you can see this on the screen as the envelope can be seen  
> visually
>
> theres also an advanced guide to the fz1 to which has all these  
> helpfull tips in it dont know if its available for download
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Daniel Forró
>  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:51 AM
>  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes
>
>
>
>  I'm not sure about my English as non native speaker, but let's try.
>  Hopefully you will understand. It's quite easy after two strong
>  espresso coffees:
>
>  ADSR envelope has four segments:
>  Attack Time
>  Decay Time
>  Sustain Level
>  Release Time
>
>  To simulate this on CZ, you have to use 3 steps:
>  Step 1:
>  R1 = will simulate Attack time, set for example 50 or as necessary.
>  Decrease this value for slower Attack time, increase for faster  
> Attack
>  time. With 99 there's no Attack segment.
>  L1 = set to 99 to get full range envelope
>
>  Step 2 - set SUS for this step:
>  R2 = will simulate Decay time, set for example 50 or as necessary.
>  Decrease this value for slower Decay time, increase for faster Decay
>  time. When 99, there's no Decay segment.
>  L2 = simulates Sustain. To get Decay segment it must be set lower  
> than
>  L1, for example 50. When L1 = L2, there's no Decay, in such case R2
>  can be set to any value because it's not effective.
>
>  Step 3 - set END for this step:
>  R3 = will simulate Release time, set for example 50 or as necessary.
>  Decrease this value for longer Release time, increase for shorter
>  Release time.
>  L3 = when selecting END for this step it will be set automatically  
> to 0
>
>  Was this right direction?
>
>  If you are interested in CZ programming I would recommend you two
>  books which can be found somewhere on the net:
>  - An Insider's Guide to Casio CZ Synthesizers
>  - The Easy CZ Book
>
>  And of course standard Casio CZ Sound Synthesis Handbook, and  
> Summary.
>
>  Daniel Forro
>
>  On Nov 8, 2012, at 1:39 AM, Carl Lofgren wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone - can someone explain in plain english how one should
>> think when programming Casio envelopes?
>>
>> At the moment I've been banging my head against my Casio FZ and I'm
>> trying to create a simple ADSR envelope, but no sir. Maybe my
>> caffeine level is too low - but I'm totally lost among the 8-stage
>> envelope here.
>>
>> Anyone who can help me in the right direction?
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Daniel Forró 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 8:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes


    
  Yes, that's correct - for 4 segments of ADSR envelope we need only 3 
  steps of CZ envelope.

  As I mentioned we'll get ASR envelope when L2 = L1.

  Don't mix together envelope segment and CZ envelope steps, both are 
  quite different beasts without direct connection.

  Daniel Forro

  On Nov 9, 2012, at 5:25 PM, jammie wrote:

  > daniel that is the correct way
  >
  > but you have done an asr envelope you need 4 steps
  >
  > yes by setting end at the last step the envelope will finish
  >
  > and you can see this on the screen as the envelope can be seen 
  > visually
  >
  > theres also an advanced guide to the fz1 to which has all these 
  > helpfull tips in it dont know if its available for download
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: Daniel Forró
  > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:51 AM
  > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes
  >
  >
  >
  > I'm not sure about my English as non native speaker, but let's try.
  > Hopefully you will understand. It's quite easy after two strong
  > espresso coffees:
  >
  > ADSR envelope has four segments:
  > Attack Time
  > Decay Time
  > Sustain Level
  > Release Time
  >
  > To simulate this on CZ, you have to use 3 steps:
  > Step 1:
  > R1 = will simulate Attack time, set for example 50 or as necessary.
  > Decrease this value for slower Attack time, increase for faster 
  > Attack
  > time. With 99 there's no Attack segment.
  > L1 = set to 99 to get full range envelope
  >
  > Step 2 - set SUS for this step:
  > R2 = will simulate Decay time, set for example 50 or as necessary.
  > Decrease this value for slower Decay time, increase for faster Decay
  > time. When 99, there's no Decay segment.
  > L2 = simulates Sustain. To get Decay segment it must be set lower 
  > than
  > L1, for example 50. When L1 = L2, there's no Decay, in such case R2
  > can be set to any value because it's not effective.
  >
  > Step 3 - set END for this step:
  > R3 = will simulate Release time, set for example 50 or as necessary.
  > Decrease this value for longer Release time, increase for shorter
  > Release time.
  > L3 = when selecting END for this step it will be set automatically 
  > to 0
  >
  > Was this right direction?
  >
  > If you are interested in CZ programming I would recommend you two
  > books which can be found somewhere on the net:
  > - An Insider's Guide to Casio CZ Synthesizers
  > - The Easy CZ Book
  >
  > And of course standard Casio CZ Sound Synthesis Handbook, and 
  > Summary.
  >
  > Daniel Forro
  >
  > On Nov 8, 2012, at 1:39 AM, Carl Lofgren wrote:
  >
  >> Hi everyone - can someone explain in plain english how one should
  >> think when programming Casio envelopes?
  >>
  >> At the moment I've been banging my head against my Casio FZ and I'm
  >> trying to create a simple ADSR envelope, but no sir. Maybe my
  >> caffeine level is too low - but I'm totally lost among the 8-stage
  >> envelope here.
  >>
  >> Anyone who can help me in the right direction?
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
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  >
  >
  >
  > ------------------------------------
  >
  > Yahoo! Groups Links
  >
  >
  >



  

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On Nov 9, 2012, at 6:01 PM, jammie wrote:

> i always did it with 4
>
> you learn something every day
>
> so i was extending it
>
> i always took the segments as 1 step with the fz1



>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Daniel Forró
>  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 8:36 AM
>  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes
>
>
>
>  Yes, that's correct - for 4 segments of ADSR envelope we need only 3
>  steps of CZ envelope.
>
>  As I mentioned we'll get ASR envelope when L2 = L1.
>
>  Don't mix together envelope segment and CZ envelope steps, both are
>  quite different beasts without direct connection.
>
>  Daniel Forro

 From: Carl Lofgren <carl_lofgren@...>
To: "CZsynth@yahoogroups.com" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2012, 16:39
Subject: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes
 

  
Hi everyone - can someone explain in plain english how one should think when programming Casio envelopes?

At the moment I've been banging my head against my Casio FZ and I'm trying to create a simple ADSR envelope, but no sir. Maybe my caffeine level is too low - but I'm totally lost among the 8-stage envelope here.

Anyone who can help me in the right direction?

/C

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 From: jammie <jammie.emma@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012, 8:25
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes
 

  
daniel that is the correct way

but you have done an asr envelope you need 4 steps

yes by setting end at the last step the envelope will finish

and you can see this on the screen as the envelope can be seen visually

theres also an advanced guide to the fz1 to which has all these helpfull tips in it dont know if its available for download
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Daniel Forró 
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:51 AM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes

I'm not sure about my English as non native speaker, but let's try. 
Hopefully you will understand. It's quite easy after two strong 
espresso coffees:

ADSR envelope has four segments:
Attack Time
Decay Time
Sustain Level
Release Time

To simulate this on CZ, you have to use 3 steps:
Step 1:
R1 = will simulate Attack time, set for example 50 or as necessary. 
Decrease this value for slower Attack time, increase for faster Attack 
time. With 99 there's no Attack segment.
L1 = set to 99 to get full range envelope

Step 2 - set SUS for this step:
R2 = will simulate Decay time, set for example 50 or as necessary. 
Decrease this value for slower Decay time, increase for faster Decay 
time. When 99, there's no Decay segment.
L2 = simulates Sustain. To get Decay segment it must be set lower then 
L1, for example 50. When L1 = L2, there's no Decay, in such case R2 
can be set to any value because it's not effective.

Step 3 - set END for this step:
R3 = will simulate Release time, set for example 50 or as necessary. 
Decrease this value for longer Release time, increase for shorter 
Release time.
L3 = when selecting END for this step it will be set automatically to 0

Was this right direction?

If you are interested in CZ programming I would recommend you two 
books which can be found somewhere on the net:
- An Insider's Guide to Casio CZ Synthesizers
- The Easy CZ Book

And of course standard Casio CZ Sound Synthesis Handbook, and Summary.

Daniel Forro

On Nov 8, 2012, at 1:39 AM, Carl Lofgren wrote:

> Hi everyone - can someone explain in plain english how one should 
> think when programming Casio envelopes?
>
> At the moment I've been banging my head against my Casio FZ and I'm 
> trying to create a simple ADSR envelope, but no sir. Maybe my 
> caffeine level is too low - but I'm totally lost among the 8-stage 
> envelope here.
>
> Anyone who can help me in the right direction?

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lee Borrell 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 1:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes


    
  You just need a SUS in the right place and and END in the right place

  First step is A
  2nd is  D
  3rd is tagged SUS
  4th is R....END

  ________________________________
  From: Carl Lofgren <carl_lofgren@...>
  To: "CZsynth@yahoogroups.com" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> 
  Sent: Wednesday, 7 November 2012, 16:39
  Subject: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes


    
  Hi everyone - can someone explain in plain english how one should think when programming Casio envelopes?

  At the moment I've been banging my head against my Casio FZ and I'm trying to create a simple ADSR envelope, but no sir. Maybe my caffeine level is too low - but I'm totally lost among the 8-stage envelope here.

  Anyone who can help me in the right direction?

  /C

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On 9 Nov, 2012, at 10:55 PM, Lee Borrell wrote:

> Just posted the same as Jammie - I think ASR is right I think about  
> Jammies.
>
> The upshot is correct - no need to use all 8 stages - setting END  
> diminishes the number of stages and setting SUS causes the sustain  
> point to occur at that stage.
>
> I'd need to double check - because my 1st thought was as Jammie,but  
> I have run into the ASR/ADSR thing before....I am pretty sure you  
> need 4 stages for ADSR,given that there are 4 letters. But Dan maybe  
> correct about stage 2 being both D&S.
>
> Either way,can see how it is confusing!
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: jammie <jammie.emma@blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 9 November 2012, 8:25
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes
>
>
>
> daniel that is the correct way
>
> but you have done an asr envelope you need 4 steps
>
> yes by setting end at the last step the envelope will finish
>
> and you can see this on the screen as the envelope can be seen  
> visually
>
> theres also an advanced guide to the fz1 to which has all these  
> helpfull tips in it dont know if its available for download
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel Forró
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes
>
> I'm not sure about my English as non native speaker, but let's try.
> Hopefully you will understand. It's quite easy after two strong
> espresso coffees:
>
> ADSR envelope has four segments:
> Attack Time
> Decay Time
> Sustain Level
> Release Time
>
> To simulate this on CZ, you have to use 3 steps:
> Step 1:
> R1 = will simulate Attack time, set for example 50 or as necessary.
> Decrease this value for slower Attack time, increase for faster Attack
> time. With 99 there's no Attack segment.
> L1 = set to 99 to get full range envelope
>
> Step 2 - set SUS for this step:
> R2 = will simulate Decay time, set for example 50 or as necessary.
> Decrease this value for slower Decay time, increase for faster Decay
> time. When 99, there's no Decay segment.
> L2 = simulates Sustain. To get Decay segment it must be set lower then
> L1, for example 50. When L1 = L2, there's no Decay, in such case R2
> can be set to any value because it's not effective.
>
> Step 3 - set END for this step:
> R3 = will simulate Release time, set for example 50 or as necessary.
> Decrease this value for longer Release time, increase for shorter
> Release time.
> L3 = when selecting END for this step it will be set automatically  
> to 0
>
> Was this right direction?
>
> If you are interested in CZ programming I would recommend you two
> books which can be found somewhere on the net:
> - An Insider's Guide to Casio CZ Synthesizers
> - The Easy CZ Book
>
> And of course standard Casio CZ Sound Synthesis Handbook, and Summary.
>
> Daniel Forro
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 1:39 AM, Carl Lofgren wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone - can someone explain in plain english how one should
>> think when programming Casio envelopes?
>>
>> At the moment I've been banging my head against my Casio FZ and I'm
>> trying to create a simple ADSR envelope, but no sir. Maybe my
>> caffeine level is too low - but I'm totally lost among the 8-stage
>> envelope here.
>>
>> Anyone who can help me in the right direction?
>
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On 9 Nov 2012, at 20:19, ROGER WILSON wrote:

> I've owned/got all the CZ range of synths except the CZ-1; I would  
> vote for the CZ101 on many counts, definitely a nicer synth to use  
> than the 1000, as long as you can live with mini-keys - I love them  
> as you can do "bigger" chords! My oldest 101 is about 20 now & still  
> great, my 1000 broke about 6 months after I acquired it; my 3000's  
> keyboard also went in the same way so a bit suspect to me about  
> having any more. My 5000 is still working fine though.
>
> Hope it helps. Roger.
>
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From: "Jason Adkins" <jason_ralf808@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: choice of a CZ synth


> Yeah Roger I know what you mean,I havn't exactly got pianists fingers
> either! mini-keys or two hands! lol
> Funnily enough my old CZ5000 keeps working too,a friend bought/swapped
> it off me and still uses it (and uses the sequencer can u believe it)
> and it has never even been opened for the last 17years at least to my
> knowledge but it keeps on trucking!
>
>
> On 9 Nov 2012, at 20:19, ROGER WILSON wrote:
>
>> I've owned/got all the CZ range of synths except the CZ-1; I would
>> vote for the CZ101 on many counts, definitely a nicer synth to use
>> than the 1000, as long as you can live with mini-keys - I love them
>> as you can do "bigger" chords! My oldest 101 is about 20 now & still
>> great, my 1000 broke about 6 months after I acquired it; my 3000's
>> keyboard also went in the same way so a bit suspect to me about
>> having any more. My 5000 is still working fine though.
>>
>> Hope it helps. Roger.
>>
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On 9 Nov, 2012, at 10:54 AM, charlie midi gfa wrote:

> whats wrong with modelling this against the presets ,, i think there  
> is a
> pure sin and a pure saw  on the cz101
>
> charles
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Lofgren" <carl_lofgren@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:39 AM
> Subject: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes
>
>
>> Hi everyone - can someone explain in plain english how one should  
>> think
>> when programming Casio envelopes?
>>
>> At the moment I've been banging my head against my Casio FZ and I'm  
>> trying
>> to create a simple ADSR envelope, but no sir. Maybe my caffeine  
>> level is
>> too low - but I'm totally lost among the 8-stage envelope here.
>>
>> Anyone who can help me in the right direction?

On 9 Nov, 2012, at 4:38 PM, Carl Lofgren wrote:

> Thanks a lots Daniel - I'll give it a try a little later and see  
> what I come up with, but I'm pretty confident this is exactly what I  
> need to get it right.
> Again - thanks!

 From: Daniel Forró <dan.for@...>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012, 0:03
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes
 

  
I don't understand what do you mean.

His question was about envelopes, not about wave shapes in oscillator.

Daniel Forro

On 9 Nov, 2012, at 10:54 AM, charlie midi gfa wrote:

> whats wrong with modelling this against the presets ,, i think there 
> is a
> pure sin and a pure saw  on the cz101
>
> charles
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Lofgren" <carl_lofgren@...>
> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:39 AM
> Subject: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes
>
>
>> Hi everyone - can someone explain in plain english how one should 
>> think
>> when programming Casio envelopes?
>>
>> At the moment I've been banging my head against my Casio FZ and I'm 
>> trying
>> to create a simple ADSR envelope, but no sir. Maybe my caffeine 
>> level is
>> too low - but I'm totally lost among the 8-stage envelope here.
>>
>> Anyone who can help me in the right direction?


 

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On 13 Nov, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Lee Borrell wrote:

> I was going to say that - but figured I had got the wrong end of  
> what Charles meant.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Daniel Forró <dan.for@...>
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012, 0:03
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes
>
>
>
> I don't understand what do you mean.
>
> His question was about envelopes, not about wave shapes in oscillator.
>
> Daniel Forro
>
> On 9 Nov, 2012, at 10:54 AM, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>
>> whats wrong with modelling this against the presets ,, i think there
>> is a
>> pure sin and a pure saw  on the cz101

From: "Daniel Forró" <dan.for@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes


>I don't understand what do you mean.
>
> His question was about envelopes, not about wave shapes in oscillator.
>
> Daniel Forro
>
>
> On 9 Nov, 2012, at 10:54 AM, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>
>> whats wrong with modelling this against the presets ,, i think there
>> is a
>> pure sin and a pure saw  on the cz101
>>
>> charles
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Carl Lofgren" <carl_lofgren@...>
>> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:39 AM
>> Subject: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes
>>
>>
>>> Hi everyone - can someone explain in plain english how one should
>>> think
>>> when programming Casio envelopes?
>>>
>>> At the moment I've been banging my head against my Casio FZ and I'm
>>> trying
>>> to create a simple ADSR envelope, but no sir. Maybe my caffeine
>>> level is
>>> too low - but I'm totally lost among the 8-stage envelope here.
>>>
>>> Anyone who can help me in the right direction?
>
>
>
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On 13 Nov, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Lee Borrell wrote:

> I was going to say that - but figured I had got the wrong end of  
> what Charles meant.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Daniel Forró <dan.for@...>
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012, 0:03
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes
>
>
>
> I don't understand what do you mean.
>
> His question was about envelopes, not about wave shapes in oscillator.
>
> Daniel Forro
>
> On 9 Nov, 2012, at 10:54 AM, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>
>> whats wrong with modelling this against the presets ,, i think there
>> is a
>> pure sin and a pure saw  on the cz101
>>
>> charles

 From: Daniel Forró <dan.for@...>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012, 0:54
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes
 

  
What is the right end? :-)

Daniel Forro

On 13 Nov, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Lee Borrell wrote:

> I was going to say that - but figured I had got the wrong end of 
> what Charles meant.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Daniel Forró <dan.for@...>
> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012, 0:03
> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio envelopes
>
>
>
> I don't understand what do you mean.
>
> His question was about envelopes, not about wave shapes in oscillator.
>
> Daniel Forro
>
> On 9 Nov, 2012, at 10:54 AM, charlie midi gfa wrote:
>
>> whats wrong with modelling this against the presets ,, i think there
>> is a
>> pure sin and a pure saw  on the cz101


 

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 From: Carl Lofgren <carl_lofgren@yahoo.com>
To: "CZsynth@yahoogroups.com" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012, 17:05
Subject: [CZsynth] FZ optional software disk
 

  
Hi all - 

How do one copy the FZ Optional Software floppy? I would like to make a backup of it in case the original disk decides to fail. I tried to copy it with the copy function in the optional software - but after a while a get a disk error, which make me suspect the disk is already starting to give up (although all functions are still working).

/C

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 From: Carl Lofgren <carl_lofgren@...>
To: "CZsynth@yahoogroups.com" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012, 21:33
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] FZ optional software disk
 

  
Damn it. The trick didn't work. Well - the good news is that the disk is still working, so nothing bad have actually happened. I just like to be prepared :)

/C

>________________________________
> From: Lee Borrell <templarser@...>
>To: "CZsynth@yahoogroups.com" <CZsynth@...m> 
>Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:16 PM
>Subject: Re: [CZsynth] FZ optional software disk
> 
>
>  
>
>
>This page:
>http://hem.passagen.se/highpuls/index.htm
>
>says this:
>
>Recovering disks that generates "DISK ERROR" message.
>Use the Optional Software Copy Tool and make a copy of the damaged disk. Copy Tool will show the
>"DISK ERROR" message but continue to copy the disk! The copy should now be readable but some voices may
>be wrecked. 
>
>on the FZ tips and tricks drop down.
>
>________________________________
>From: Carl Lofgren <carl_lofgren@...>
>To: "CZsynth@yahoogroups.com" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> 
>Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2012, 17:05
>Subject: [CZsynth] FZ optional software disk
>
>
>  
>Hi all - 
>
>How do one copy the FZ Optional Software floppy? I would like to make a backup of it in case the original disk decides to fail. I tried to copy it with the copy function in the optional software - but after a while a get a disk error, which make me suspect the disk is already starting to give up (although all functions are still working).
>
>/C
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl Lofgren" <carl_lofgren@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:05 PM
Subject: [CZsynth] FZ optional software disk


Hi all -

How do one copy the FZ Optional Software floppy? I would like to make a 
backup of it in case the original disk decides to fail. I tried to copy it 
with the copy function in the optional software - but after a while a get a 
disk error, which make me suspect the disk is already starting to give up 
(although all functions are still working).

/C

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Carl Lofgren 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 5:52 PM
  Subject: [CZsynth] Casio FZ with Lotharek Floppy Emulator


    
  Hi guys! I've just got one of those nifty Lotharek Floppy Emulators (F rev!) that I'm planning to install tomorrow. Only problem is that my Optional Software disk is not entirely healthy - so I wonder if there is anyone here with a Lotharek emulator who can send me a zip or something that I can transfer to the memory card. Would be damn great. Otherwise I'm missing out on all the sweet stuff in the FZ - and that's something I'd rather not do.

  /C

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Carl Lofgren 
  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 6:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio FZ with Lotharek Floppy Emulator


    
  Problem us that the disk is a bit wonky - that's why I'm asking (and partly since I don't even have a computer with a floppy in the whole house! - that can of course be arranged, but I thought if someone already have it) - maybe it would be a great idea to upload it to the Files section of the Group. Floppies have a tendency to break after a while.

  /C

  >________________________________
  > From: jammie <jammie.emma@blueyonder.co.uk>
  >To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  >Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 7:08 PM
  >Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio FZ with Lotharek Floppy Emulator
  > 
  >
  >  
  >have you tried making an image of it with the emulator software
  >
  >thats what you have todo with your disks 
  >
  >the software makes raw images and then you put the dev of the fz with the file which tels the emulator how to read out the raw image
  >
  >i doubt that many have got the emulator i have in a few bits of kit fz being one but i dont have the optional software so cant help
  >
  >but not all devices need the hxc emulator
  >
  >i have several synths that use the gotek 720k and 1.44mb drives which are a third and quarter of the cost
  >----- Original Message ----- 
  >From: Carl Lofgren 
  >To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com 
  >Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 5:52 PM
  >Subject: [CZsynth] Casio FZ with Lotharek Floppy Emulator
  >
  >Hi guys! I've just got one of those nifty Lotharek Floppy Emulators (F rev!) that I'm planning to install tomorrow. Only problem is that my Optional Software disk is not entirely healthy - so I wonder if there is anyone here with a Lotharek emulator who can send me a zip or something that I can transfer to the memory card. Would be damn great. Otherwise I'm missing out on all the sweet stuff in the FZ - and that's something I'd rather not do.
  >
  >/C
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On 23 Nov 2012, at 19:09, jammie wrote:

> i would if i had it
>
> but your going to need a floppy drive if you want to image your  
> disks its the only way
>
> all pc mother boards have onboard floppy drive chips
>
> you need to switch it in the bios
>
> a £5 pc floppy will do
>
> the good thing is you can use your fz can you dump the disk as an  
> fzf file as the emulator can also read these files
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Carl Lofgren
>  To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 6:14 PM
>  Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio FZ with Lotharek Floppy Emulator
>
>
>
>  Problem us that the disk is a bit wonky - that's why I'm asking  
> (and partly since I don't even have a computer with a floppy in the  
> whole house! - that can of course be arranged, but I thought if  
> someone already have it) - maybe it would be a great idea to upload  
> it to the Files section of the Group. Floppies have a tendency to  
> break after a while.
>
>  /C
>
>> ________________________________
>> From: jammie <jammie.emma@...>
>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 7:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio FZ with Lotharek Floppy Emulator
>>
>>
>>
>> have you tried making an image of it with the emulator software
>>
>> thats what you have todo with your disks
>>
>> the software makes raw images and then you put the dev of the fz  
>> with the file which tels the emulator how to read out the raw image
>>
>> i doubt that many have got the emulator i have in a few bits of kit  
>> fz being one but i dont have the optional software so cant help
>>
>> but not all devices need the hxc emulator
>>
>> i have several synths that use the gotek 720k and 1.44mb drives  
>> which are a third and quarter of the cost
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Carl Lofgren
>> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 5:52 PM
>> Subject: [CZsynth] Casio FZ with Lotharek Floppy Emulator
>>
>> Hi guys! I've just got one of those nifty Lotharek Floppy Emulators  
>> (F rev!) that I'm planning to install tomorrow. Only problem is  
>> that my Optional Software disk is not entirely healthy - so I  
>> wonder if there is anyone here with a Lotharek emulator who can  
>> send me a zip or something that I can transfer to the memory card.  
>> Would be damn great. Otherwise I'm missing out on all the sweet  
>> stuff in the FZ - and that's something I'd rather not do.
>>
>> /C
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl Lofgren" <carl_lofgren@...>
To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio FZ with Lotharek Floppy Emulator


Problem us that the disk is a bit wonky - that's why I'm asking (and partly 
since I don't even have a computer with a floppy in the whole house! - that 
can of course be arranged, but I thought if someone already have it) - maybe 
it would be a great idea to upload it to the Files section of the Group. 
Floppies have a tendency to break after a while.

/C



>________________________________
> From: jammie <jammie.emma@...>
>To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 7:08 PM
>Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Casio FZ with Lotharek Floppy Emulator
>
>
>
>have you tried making an image of it with the emulator software
>
>thats what you have todo with your disks
>
>the software makes raw images and then you put the dev of the fz with the 
>file which tels the emulator how to read out the raw image
>
>i doubt that many have got the emulator i have in a few bits of kit fz 
>being one but i dont have the optional software so cant help
>
>but not all devices need the hxc emulator
>
>i have several synths that use the gotek 720k and 1.44mb drives which are a 
>third and quarter of the cost
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Carl Lofgren
>To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 5:52 PM
>Subject: [CZsynth] Casio FZ with Lotharek Floppy Emulator
>
>Hi guys! I've just got one of those nifty Lotharek Floppy Emulators (F 
>rev!) that I'm planning to install tomorrow. Only problem is that my 
>Optional Software disk is not entirely healthy - so I wonder if there is 
>anyone here with a Lotharek emulator who can send me a zip or something 
>that I can transfer to the memory card. Would be damn great. Otherwise I'm 
>missing out on all the sweet stuff in the FZ - and that's something I'd 
>rather not do.
>
>/C
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