VZ-10m display
2016-08-23 by ckmoffatt@...
Hello everyone, my display needs replacing, has anyone any suggestions on what I need to do please.
Chris
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VZ-10m display
Re: [CZsynth] VZ-10m display
2016-09-08 by Daniel Forró
It's non standard display so probably it would be difficult if not impossible to find it. What's wrong with your display? Maybe you only need to change EL foil. Find such which is for 85 V/400 Hz. Or buy it here: http://www.backlight4you.com/EL-Panels/EL-Replacements:::46_130.html?MODsid=30a424e34a405e988123ef1e2cc8e0f3 I have very good experience with this firm and can recommend it. EL foils are laminated and done in proper size for different instruments. They offer even more colors of backlight. Daniel Forro
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On Aug 23, 2016, at 11:57 PM, ckmoffatt@... [CZsynth] wrote: > > > Hello everyone, my display needs replacing, has anyone any > suggestions on what I need to do please. > > Chris
Re: [CZsynth] VZ-10m display
2016-09-08 by Christopher Moffatt
It's just dark, so I'll look at replacing the foil. Many thanks Chris
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> On 8 Sep 2016, at 14:21, Daniel Forró danforcz@... [CZsynth] <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > It's non standard display so probably it would be difficult if not > impossible to find it. > > What's wrong with your display? > > Maybe you only need to change EL foil. Find such which is for 85 V/400 > Hz. > > Or buy it here: > > http://www.backlight4you.com/EL-Panels/EL-Replacements:::46_130.html?MODsid=30a424e34a405e988123ef1e2cc8e0f3 > > I have very good experience with this firm and can recommend it. EL > foils are laminated and done in proper size for different instruments. > They offer even more colors of backlight. > > Daniel Forro > > On Aug 23, 2016, at 11:57 PM, ckmoffatt@... [CZsynth] wrote: > > > > > > Hello everyone, my display needs replacing, has anyone any > > suggestions on what I need to do please. > > > > Chris > >
Re: [CZsynth] VZ-10m display
2016-09-08 by Caleb Garner
Regarding the BL4Y guys.. Stefan is pretty awesome. He actuall will even fix your display for free IF it's something he doesn't already have.. Something to mention that I didn't know about the backlight 4 you guys is that I happen to own a ART Multiverb III that needed a backlight so I asked.. and because it was something he didn't have yet, he offered to fix it for free (to expand his catalog of products).. cost me $13 to ship the display to Germany. Super excited to have a nice backlight on it again. So yea if it's a backlight issue check with him.. if the display is completely dead.. consider reaching out to local music / electronic repair people.. there might be a way to actually fix what's actually wrong if it.. it's a long shot depending on the issue but it's not like this is audio/dsp trouble.. this kind of tech is more general electronics. Caleb Daniel Forr� danforcz@... [CZsynth] wrote:
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> > It's non standard display so probably it would be difficult if not > impossible to find it. > > What's wrong with your display? > > Maybe you only need to change EL foil. Find such which is for 85 V/400 > Hz. > > Or buy it here: > > http://www.backlight4you.com/EL-Panels/EL-Replacements:::46_130.html?MODsid=30a424e34a405e988123ef1e2cc8e0f3 > > I have very good experience with this firm and can recommend it. EL > foils are laminated and done in proper size for different instruments. > They offer even more colors of backlight. > > Daniel Forro > > On Aug 23, 2016, at 11:57 PM, ckmoffatt@... [CZsynth] wrote: > > > > > > Hello everyone, my display needs replacing, has anyone any > > suggestions on what I need to do please. > > > > Chris > >
Re: [CZsynth] VZ-10m display
2016-09-16 by Chris Poacher
My VZ10m display is actually damaged. It started as a small rainbow at the bottom of the screen and has spread upwards eating over 50% of the screen display. Chris . Sent from my iPhone
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> On 8 Sep 2016, at 15:27, Caleb Garner caleb.garner@... [CZsynth] <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Regarding the BL4Y guys.. Stefan is pretty awesome. He actuall will even fix your display for free IF it's something he doesn't already have.. > > Something to mention that I didn't know about the backlight 4 you guys is that I happen to own a ART Multiverb III that needed a backlight so I asked.. and because it was something he didn't have yet, he offered to fix it for free (to expand his catalog of products).. cost me $13 to ship the display to Germany. Super excited to have a nice backlight on it again. > > So yea if it's a backlight issue check with him.. if the display is completely dead.. consider reaching out to local music / electronic repair people.. there might be a way to actually fix what's actually wrong if it.. it's a long shot depending on the issue but it's not like this is audio/dsp trouble.. this kind of tech is more general electronics. > > Caleb > > > > Daniel Forró danforcz@... [CZsynth] wrote: > >> >> It's non standard display so probably it would be difficult if not >> impossible to find it. >> >> What's wrong with your display? >> >> Maybe you only need to change EL foil. Find such which is for 85 V/400 >> Hz. >> >> Or buy it here: >> >> http://www.backlight4you.com/EL-Panels/EL-Replacements:::46_130.html?MODsid=30a424e34a405e988123ef1e2cc8e0f3 >> >> I have very good experience with this firm and can recommend it. EL >> foils are laminated and done in proper size for different instruments. >> They offer even more colors of backlight. >> >> Daniel Forro >> >> On Aug 23, 2016, at 11:57 PM, ckmoffatt@... [CZsynth] wrote: >> > >> > >> > Hello everyone, my display needs replacing, has anyone any >> > suggestions on what I need to do please. >> > >> > Chris >> > >
Re: [CZsynth] VZ-10m display
2016-09-16 by Lee
Does anyone have any idea where to actually put a replacement light? My understanding is that retro equipment used an inverter which is used in 'foil' displays: I have access to a couple of LED flat lights,but slipping them behind the LCD causes no light through the LCD. An online article suggested the display needed the backing removing before the light would shine through. Has anyone any experience of altering backlights? Sent from my iPhone
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On 8 Sep 2016, at 14:31, "Christopher Moffatt ckmoffatt@... [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > It's just dark, so I'll look at replacing the foil. > > Many thanks > > Chris > > On 8 Sep 2016, at 14:21, Daniel Forró danforcz@... [CZsynth] <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > >> >> It's non standard display so probably it would be difficult if not >> impossible to find it. >> >> What's wrong with your display? >> >> Maybe you only need to change EL foil. Find such which is for 85 V/400 >> Hz. >> >> Or buy it here: >> >> http://www.backlight4you.com/EL-Panels/EL-Replacements:::46_130.html?MODsid=30a424e34a405e988123ef1e2cc8e0f3 >> >> I have very good experience with this firm and can recommend it. EL >> foils are laminated and done in proper size for different instruments. >> They offer even more colors of backlight. >> >> Daniel Forro >> >> On Aug 23, 2016, at 11:57 PM, ckmoffatt@... [CZsynth] wrote: >> > >> > >> > Hello everyone, my display needs replacing, has anyone any >> > suggestions on what I need to do please. >> > >> > Chris > >
Re: [CZsynth] VZ-10m display
2016-09-16 by Daniel Forró
Somebody did this difficult task with removing reflective foil, I try to remember where I have seen it... Maybe I have the file somewhere on my hard disk... ... googling ... Found it: www.compsys1.com/support/docs/ELbacklight_Guide.pdf Rather difficult job, and if I remember well he used EL foil, there was no place for LED backlight. I doubt it's possible to modify standard display for LED backlight. If it's possible technically it would be a big effort which has no sense when we can use cheap new display with LED backlight. If the original display uses usual standards for displays (not all were standard) and inside the instrument is enough space (LED backlit displays are thicker) then the modification is not so difficult. Just remove inverter and its circuit, solder limiting resistor and bring +5 Volts... Even size of display and holes for screwing it are standard. See for example here: http://www.wolzow.com/analog/mdf2.htm Some users even used VFD or OLED displays successfully... ... googling ... Here is something similar: http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-LCD-backlight/?ALLSTEPS http://www.circuitbenders.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=945.0 So the point is to remove only reflective foil, not polarizing foil. Another problem is to align elastomer zebra contacts to proper position not to lose some rows of pixels.... I did this more times and it's pretty difficult. I lost two big graphic displays because I couldn't find the right position. Maybe with simple alphanumerc display it can be done. Daniel Forro
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On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Lee templarser@... [CZsynth] wrote: > > Does anyone have any idea where to actually put a replacement light? > My understanding is that retro equipment used an inverter which is > used in 'foil' displays: I have access to a couple of LED flat > lights,but slipping them behind the LCD causes no light through the > LCD. > An online article suggested the display needed the backing removing > before the light would shine through. > Has anyone any experience of altering backlights? >
Re: [CZsynth] VZ-10m display
2016-09-16 by Lee Borrell
The instructables 'All Steps' is the one I posted - which suggests that a home made LED can be put behind an LCD - I just found an LED panel that fits behind the CZ/DX LCD displays - but I cannot get the light to come throught the display without modification. I will have a look at your links - thanks.
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From: "Daniel Forró danforcz@... [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 16 September 2016, 11:23
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] VZ-10m display
Somebody did this difficult task with removing reflective foil, I try to remember where I have seen it... Maybe I have the file somewhere on my hard disk...
...googling...Found it:
www.compsys1.com/support/docs/ELbacklight_Guide.pdf
Rather difficult job, and if I remember well he used EL foil, there was no place for LED backlight.
I doubt it's possible to modify standard display for LED backlight. If it's possible technically it would be a big effort which has no sense when we can use cheap new display with LED backlight. If the original display uses usual standards for displays (not all were standard) and inside the instrument is enough space (LED backlit displays are thicker) then the modification is not so difficult. Just remove inverter and its circuit, solder limiting resistor and bring +5 Volts... Even size of display and holes for screwing it are standard. See for example here:
http://www.wolzow.com/analog/mdf2.htm
Some users even used VFD or OLED displays successfully...
...googling...
Here is something similar:
http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-LCD-backlight/?ALLSTEPS
http://www.circuitbenders.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=945.0
So the point is to remove only reflective foil, not polarizing foil.
Another problem is to align elastomer zebra contacts to proper position not to lose some rows of pixels.... I did this more times and it's pretty difficult. I lost two big graphic displays because I couldn't find the right position. Maybe with simple alphanumerc display it can be done.
Daniel Forro
On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Lee templarser@... [CZsynth] wrote:
Does anyone have any idea where to actually put a replacement light?My understanding is that retro equipment used an inverter which is used in 'foil' displays: I have access to a couple of LED flat lights,but slipping them behind the LCD causes no light through the LCD.An online article suggested the display needed the backing removing before the light would shine through.Has anyone any experience of altering backlights?Re: [CZsynth] VZ-10m display
2016-09-16 by Lee Borrell
I buggered a VL1 display because I could not get the rubber contact strips back in line.
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From: "Daniel Forró danforcz@... [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 16 September 2016, 11:23
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] VZ-10m display
Somebody did this difficult task with removing reflective foil, I try to remember where I have seen it... Maybe I have the file somewhere on my hard disk...
...googling...Found it:
www.compsys1.com/support/docs/ELbacklight_Guide.pdf
Rather difficult job, and if I remember well he used EL foil, there was no place for LED backlight.
I doubt it's possible to modify standard display for LED backlight. If it's possible technically it would be a big effort which has no sense when we can use cheap new display with LED backlight. If the original display uses usual standards for displays (not all were standard) and inside the instrument is enough space (LED backlit displays are thicker) then the modification is not so difficult. Just remove inverter and its circuit, solder limiting resistor and bring +5 Volts... Even size of display and holes for screwing it are standard. See for example here:
http://www.wolzow.com/analog/mdf2.htm
Some users even used VFD or OLED displays successfully...
...googling...
Here is something similar:
http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-LCD-backlight/?ALLSTEPS
http://www.circuitbenders.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=945.0
So the point is to remove only reflective foil, not polarizing foil.
Another problem is to align elastomer zebra contacts to proper position not to lose some rows of pixels.... I did this more times and it's pretty difficult. I lost two big graphic displays because I couldn't find the right position. Maybe with simple alphanumerc display it can be done.
Daniel Forro
On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Lee templarser@... [CZsynth] wrote:
Does anyone have any idea where to actually put a replacement light?My understanding is that retro equipment used an inverter which is used in 'foil' displays: I have access to a couple of LED flat lights,but slipping them behind the LCD causes no light through the LCD.An online article suggested the display needed the backing removing before the light would shine through.Has anyone any experience of altering backlights?Re: [CZsynth] VZ-10m display
2016-09-16 by Lee Borrell
I think it is the reflective backing which is impeding the light - it seems a bit of a palaver to not destroy the polarizer. The PDF is the thing I was looking for - which is somewhat the same as the instructables/ALLsteps. Thanks
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From: "Daniel Forró danforcz@... [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 16 September 2016, 11:23
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] VZ-10m display
Somebody did this difficult task with removing reflective foil, I try to remember where I have seen it... Maybe I have the file somewhere on my hard disk...
...googling...Found it:
www.compsys1.com/support/docs/ELbacklight_Guide.pdf
Rather difficult job, and if I remember well he used EL foil, there was no place for LED backlight.
I doubt it's possible to modify standard display for LED backlight. If it's possible technically it would be a big effort which has no sense when we can use cheap new display with LED backlight. If the original display uses usual standards for displays (not all were standard) and inside the instrument is enough space (LED backlit displays are thicker) then the modification is not so difficult. Just remove inverter and its circuit, solder limiting resistor and bring +5 Volts... Even size of display and holes for screwing it are standard. See for example here:
http://www.wolzow.com/analog/mdf2.htm
Some users even used VFD or OLED displays successfully...
...googling...
Here is something similar:
http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-LCD-backlight/?ALLSTEPS
http://www.circuitbenders.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=945.0
So the point is to remove only reflective foil, not polarizing foil.
Another problem is to align elastomer zebra contacts to proper position not to lose some rows of pixels.... I did this more times and it's pretty difficult. I lost two big graphic displays because I couldn't find the right position. Maybe with simple alphanumerc display it can be done.
Daniel Forro
On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Lee templarser@... [CZsynth] wrote:
Does anyone have any idea where to actually put a replacement light?My understanding is that retro equipment used an inverter which is used in 'foil' displays: I have access to a couple of LED flat lights,but slipping them behind the LCD causes no light through the LCD.An online article suggested the display needed the backing removing before the light would shine through.Has anyone any experience of altering backlights?Re: [CZsynth] VZ-10m display
2016-09-16 by Lee Borrell
Just to explain why I am even messing with LED backlights: I have a small blue one obtained for free from an old MP3 player which stopped working,plus a larger white one which was at the back of a broken LCD I just found. My RZ1 used to have a blue backlight which failed - which I believe is of the inverter/foil type and it seemed on the face of it that the small blue one might have solved the problem - it is seemingly nigh on impossible to replace the RZ1 whole display with an LED backlit one since the display,although 16x1 is laid out in an 8x2 matrix - resulting (as I found) in only half the info appearing on the display. So the RZ1 seemed like a cheap fix with a free LED backlight - albeit too short. It looks now as if replacing the existing foil one is a better idea,assuming it is not the inverter that is dead. Since I have old Casio CZ and Yamaha DX displays over from replacing them with modern LED backlit ones,it seemed it maybe possible to have stuck the larger white one behind one of those,with a view to either selling the resultant display or having it in hand should another one need updating. Now it is looking like the whole thing could butcher the displays. BTW I also have an FZ1 with no backlight - I presume this has the inverter/foil also and thus it is better to follow the 'replace efoil' instructions?
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From: "Daniel Forró danforcz@... [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 16 September 2016, 11:23
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] VZ-10m display
Somebody did this difficult task with removing reflective foil, I try to remember where I have seen it... Maybe I have the file somewhere on my hard disk...
...googling...Found it:
www.compsys1.com/support/docs/ELbacklight_Guide.pdf
Rather difficult job, and if I remember well he used EL foil, there was no place for LED backlight.
I doubt it's possible to modify standard display for LED backlight. If it's possible technically it would be a big effort which has no sense when we can use cheap new display with LED backlight. If the original display uses usual standards for displays (not all were standard) and inside the instrument is enough space (LED backlit displays are thicker) then the modification is not so difficult. Just remove inverter and its circuit, solder limiting resistor and bring +5 Volts... Even size of display and holes for screwing it are standard. See for example here:
http://www.wolzow.com/analog/mdf2.htm
Some users even used VFD or OLED displays successfully...
...googling...
Here is something similar:
http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-LCD-backlight/?ALLSTEPS
http://www.circuitbenders.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=945.0
So the point is to remove only reflective foil, not polarizing foil.
Another problem is to align elastomer zebra contacts to proper position not to lose some rows of pixels.... I did this more times and it's pretty difficult. I lost two big graphic displays because I couldn't find the right position. Maybe with simple alphanumerc display it can be done.
Daniel Forro
On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Lee templarser@....uk [CZsynth] wrote:
Does anyone have any idea where to actually put a replacement light?My understanding is that retro equipment used an inverter which is used in 'foil' displays: I have access to a couple of LED flat lights,but slipping them behind the LCD causes no light through the LCD.An online article suggested the display needed the backing removing before the light would shine through.Has anyone any experience of altering backlights?Re: [CZsynth] VZ-10m display
2016-09-16 by Daniel Forró
Yes, it is - according to Service Manual:
display LD-B8122J (64 x 96 dots)
inverter T1 - JPW-02A
EL foil - EL336
See page 44 in Service Manual.
Order it here:
Daniel Forro
On Sep 16, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Lee Borrell templarser@... [CZsynth] wrote:
BTW I also have an FZ1 with no backlight - I presume this has the inverter/foil also and thus it is better to follow the 'replace efoil' instructions?
Re: [CZsynth] VL1 display
2016-09-16 by Daniel Forró
Do you have this display somewhere? I'd like to buy one for one of my VL1m where display is more damaged... I can try to fiddle with it to get it aligned :-)
If you don't need it anymore...
Daniel Forro
On Sep 16, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Lee Borrell templarser@... [CZsynth] wrote:
I buggered a VL1 display because I could not get the rubber contact strips back in line.
Re: [CZsynth] VL1 display
2016-09-16 by Lee Borrell
Just as I was on my way home - I started wondering what the heck I did with it and if I did not have it,whether one could connect to the edge connector and make one's own... I recall I had it in my parts box,along with the stripey rubber connectors- I'll have a look,but I suspect time has made it disappear into the ether.....
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From: "Daniel Forró danforcz@yahoo.com [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 16 September 2016, 12:32
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] VL1 display
Do you have this display somewhere? I'd like to buy one for one of my VL1m where display is more damaged... I can try to fiddle with it to get it aligned :-)
If you don't need it anymore...
Daniel Forro
On Sep 16, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Lee Borrell templarser@... [CZsynth] wrote:
I buggered a VL1 display because I could not get the rubber contact strips back in line.Re: [CZsynth] VL1 display
2016-09-16 by Lee Borrell
Amazingly,the stripey connectors are still in the parts box,decades after I removed them,and after moving house! The LCD appears to still be in the VL1- so I will have another look at it. If it is of now use to me - it would not be a matter of cost,I have a funny habit of helping people out for free.. (After all...you do it for me.) :-)
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From: "Daniel Forró danforcz@... [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 16 September 2016, 12:32
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] VL1 display
Do you have this display somewhere? I'd like to buy one for one of my VL1m where display is more damaged... I can try to fiddle with it to get it aligned :-)
If you don't need it anymore...
Daniel Forro
On Sep 16, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Lee Borrell templarser@... [CZsynth] wrote:
I buggered a VL1 display because I could not get the rubber contact strips back in line.Re: [CZsynth] VZ-10m display
2016-09-16 by JAMIE logan
problem with the fz1 and derivitives that use the same display the reason why they dont last long is because they use dc voltage invertor frequency for the back light dc voltage shortens the life span if changing buy the back light but get a 5v to ac invertor the back light will last a lot longer they come in a small insulated black box they consist of a switching transistor smoothing cap and a step up signal transformer. but can tell you the screens are a night mare todo first you have to watch when removing the efoil as it has hundreds of wire connections that are very fragile the same screens are used in there calculators but they dont use back lights but the calculators are also becoming expensive im still testing the i/o for a pic controller to use a standard hdmi tft display
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> On 16 September 2016 at 12:14 "Lee Borrell templarser@... [CZsynth]" > <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > Just to explain why I am even messing with LED backlights: > > I have a small blue one obtained for free from an old MP3 player which > stopped working,plus a larger white one which was at the back of a broken LCD > I just found. > My RZ1 used to have a blue backlight which failed - which I believe is of > the inverter/foil type and it seemed on the face of it that the small blue one > might have solved the problem - it is seemingly nigh on impossible to replace > the RZ1 whole display with an LED backlit one since the display,although 16x1 > is laid out in an 8x2 matrix - resulting (as I found) in only half the info > appearing on the display. So the RZ1 seemed like a cheap fix with a free LED > backlight - albeit too short. It looks now as if replacing the existing foil > one is a better idea,assuming it is not the inverter that is dead. > > Since I have old Casio CZ and Yamaha DX displays over from replacing them > with modern LED backlit ones,it seemed it maybe possible to have stuck the > larger white one behind one of those,with a view to either selling the > resultant display or having it in hand should another one need updating. Now > it is looking like the whole thing could butcher the displays. > BTW I also have an FZ1 with no backlight - I presume this has the > inverter/foil also and thus it is better to follow the 'replace efoil' > instructions? > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > From: "Daniel Forró danforcz@... [CZsynth]" > <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, 16 September 2016, 11:23 > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] VZ-10m display > > > > Somebody did this difficult task with removing reflective foil, I try to > remember where I have seen it... Maybe I have the file somewhere on my hard > disk... > > ... > googling > ... > Found it: > > http://www.compsys1.com/support/docs/ > ELbacklight_Guide.pdf > > > > > Rather difficult job, and if I remember well he used EL foil, there was no > place for LED backlight. > > I doubt it's possible to modify standard display for LED backlight. If > it's possible technically it would be a big effort which has no sense when we > can use cheap new display with LED backlight. If the original display uses > usual standards for displays (not all were standard) and inside the instrument > is enough space (LED backlit displays are thicker) then the modification is > not so difficult. Just remove inverter and its circuit, solder limiting > resistor and bring +5 Volts... Even size of display and holes for screwing it > are standard. See for example here: > > http://www.wolzow.com/analog/mdf2.htm > > Some users even used VFD or OLED displays successfully... > > ... > googling > ... > > Here is something similar: > > http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-LCD-backlight/?ALLSTEPS > > http://www.circuitbenders.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=945.0 > > So the point is to remove only reflective foil, not polarizing foil. > > Another problem is to align elastomer zebra contacts to proper position > not to lose some rows of pixels.... I did this more times and it's pretty > difficult. I lost two big graphic displays because I couldn't find the right > position. Maybe with simple alphanumerc display it can be done. > > Daniel Forro > > > > On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Lee templarser@... > mailto:templarser@... [CZsynth] wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone have any idea where to actually put a replacement light? > > My understanding is that retro equipment used an inverter which is > > used in 'foil' displays: I have access to a couple of LED flat lights,but > > slipping them behind the LCD causes no light through the LCD. > > An online article suggested the display needed the backing removing > > before the light would shine through. > > Has anyone any experience of altering backlights? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [CZsynth] VL1 display
2016-09-16 by Lee Borrell
After checking,it appears I am missing the foil type connector as per this image: http://oi68.tinypic.com/2i9qc5i.jpg I have no idea what my rubber connectors are- perhaps out of another gadget.... It seems someone had the same thought I did - an outputted the display connections to something else: http://casperelectronics.com/images/finishedpieces/vltone/LEDmatrix.jpg This page warns.... * Casper Electronics » VL-Tone | | | | | | | | | | | * Casper Electronics » VL-Tone | | | | A word of warning: Be careful with the LCD screen. It receives it’s data from a plastic ribbon with conductive ink printed on it. The screen doesn’t use solder connections. Instead the data ribbon is pressed against the screen to conduct electricity. That means if you break the ribbon there’s no way to solder in a replacement wire. The conductive ink on the ribbon dries up over time and will come off if you move it around too much or move the screen. I did this and it couldn’t be fixed, Which is exactly what is wrong with mine - so since I have about exactly zero chance of fixing it - the display is now out of the unit,although how anyone could connect to it,lord only knows. Thusly, it is useless to me,do you think it can be re-used?
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From: "Lee Borrell templarser@... [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
To: "CZsynth@yahoogroups.com" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 16 September 2016, 13:24
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] VL1 display
Amazingly,the stripey connectors are still in the parts box,decades after I removed them,and after moving house!
The LCD appears to still be in the VL1- so I will have another look at it.
If it is of now use to me - it would not be a matter of cost,I have a funny habit of helping people out for free..
(After all...you do it for me.)
:-)
From: "Daniel Forró danforcz@yahoo.com [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 16 September 2016, 12:32
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] VL1 display
Do you have this display somewhere? I'd like to buy one for one of my VL1m where display is more damaged... I can try to fiddle with it to get it aligned :-)
If you don't need it anymore...
Daniel Forro
On Sep 16, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Lee Borrell templarser@... [CZsynth] wrote:
I buggered a VL1 display because I could not get the rubber contact strips back in line.Re: [CZsynth] VL1 display
2016-09-16 by Daniel Forró
As I can see from your picture, maybe we two talk about quite different instruments :-)
I didn't mean Casio VL1 from 80ies, that funny toy looking like a strange calculator...
I mean Yamaha VL1 from 1993, rather expensive physical modeling synthesizer, two voices of polyphony, big CCFL backlit B/W display 240 x 64 dots...
:-)
So thank you for your kind offer, I need something different.
All the best!
Daniel Forro
On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:42 PM, Lee Borrell templarser@....uk [CZsynth] wrote:
After checking,it appears I am missing the foil type connector as per this image:
http://oi68.tinypic.com/2i9qc5i.jpg
I have no idea what my rubber connectors are- perhaps out of another gadget....
It seems someone had the same thought I did - an outputted the display connections to something else:
http://casperelectronics.com/images/finishedpieces/vltone/LEDmatrix.jpg
This page warns....
* Casper Electronics » VL-Tone
Re: [CZsynth] VL1 display
2016-09-16 by Lee Borrell
Sorry - since we were in CZ,I presumed it to be of the Casio orientation. Had I had a busted Yammy VL1 - I may have been more concerned about fixing it,though if impossible,I still may have mailed it for free if you could have used it :-)
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From: "Daniel Forró danforcz@... [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 16 September 2016, 13:55
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] VL1 display
As I can see from your picture, maybe we two talk about quite different instruments :-)
I didn't mean Casio VL1 from 80ies, that funny toy looking like a strange calculator...
I mean Yamaha VL1 from 1993, rather expensive physical modeling synthesizer, two voices of polyphony, big CCFL backlit B/W display 240 x 64 dots...
:-)
So thank you for your kind offer, I need something different.
All the best!
Daniel Forro
On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:42 PM, Lee Borrell templarser@... [CZsynth] wrote:
After checking,it appears I am missing the foil type connector as per this image:
http://oi68.tinypic.com/2i9qc5i.jpg
I have no idea what my rubber connectors are- perhaps out of another gadget....
It seems someone had the same thought I did - an outputted the display connections to something else:
http://casperelectronics.com/images/finishedpieces/vltone/LEDmatrix.jpg
This page warns....
* Casper Electronics » VL-Tone
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2016-09-17 by José Ángel Morente
Same here. I thought they were talking about the VL-Tone (btw, I'm a happy owner of both a VL-1 and a VL-5).
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On 16 September 2016 at 15:27, Lee Borrell templarser@... [CZsynth] <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Sorry - since we were in CZ,I presumed it to be of the Casio orientation.
Had I had a busted Yammy VL1 - I may have been more concerned about fixing it,though if impossible,I still may have mailed it for free if you could have used it :-)From: "Daniel Forró danforcz@... [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com>
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 16 September 2016, 13:55
Subject: Re: [CZsynth] VL1 display
As I can see from your picture, maybe we two talk about quite different instruments :-)I didn't mean Casio VL1 from 80ies, that funny toy looking like a strange calculator...I mean Yamaha VL1 from 1993, rather expensive physical modeling synthesizer, two voices of polyphony, big CCFL backlit B/W display 240 x 64 dots...:-)So thank you for your kind offer, I need something different.All the best!Daniel ForroOn Sep 16, 2016, at 9:42 PM, Lee Borrell templarser@... [CZsynth] wrote:After checking,it appears I am missing the foil type connector as per this image:
http://oi68.tinypic.com/2i9qc5i.jpg
I have no idea what my rubber connectors are- perhaps out of another gadget....
It seems someone had the same thought I did - an outputted the display connections to something else:
http://casperelectronics.com/images/finishedpieces/vltone/LEDmatrix.jpg
This page warns....
* Casper Electronics » VL-Tone
Re: [CZsynth] VL1 display
2016-09-17 by Lee
My vl5 fortunately has a working display! Sent from my iPhone
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On 17 Sep 2016, at 22:23, "José Ángel Morente msxjam@... [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Same here. I thought they were talking about the VL-Tone (btw, I'm a happy owner of both a VL-1 and a VL-5). > > On 16 September 2016 at 15:27, Lee Borrell templarser@... [CZsynth] <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> Sorry - since we were in CZ,I presumed it to be of the Casio orientation. >> Had I had a busted Yammy VL1 - I may have been more concerned about fixing it,though if impossible,I still may have mailed it for free if you could have used it :-) >> >> >> From: "Daniel Forró danforcz@... [CZsynth]" <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> >> To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, 16 September 2016, 13:55 >> Subject: Re: [CZsynth] VL1 display >> >> >> As I can see from your picture, maybe we two talk about quite different instruments :-) >> >> I didn't mean Casio VL1 from 80ies, that funny toy looking like a strange calculator... >> >> I mean Yamaha VL1 from 1993, rather expensive physical modeling synthesizer, two voices of polyphony, big CCFL backlit B/W display 240 x 64 dots... >> >> :-) >> >> So thank you for your kind offer, I need something different. >> >> All the best! >> >> Daniel Forro >> >> >> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:42 PM, Lee Borrell templarser@... [CZsynth] wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> After checking,it appears I am missing the foil type connector as per this image: >>> >>> http://oi68.tinypic.com/2i9qc5i.jpg >>> >>> I have no idea what my rubber connectors are- perhaps out of another gadget.... >>> >>> It seems someone had the same thought I did - an outputted the display connections to something else: >>> >>> http://casperelectronics.com/images/finishedpieces/vltone/LEDmatrix.jpg >>> >>> >>> This page warns.... >>> >>> * Casper Electronics » VL-Tone >>> >>> >>> >>> * Casper Electronics » VL-Tone > >