Dave Smith Instruments SYNTHESIZERS

On 21/11/05 9:59 PM, "Collin" wrote:

> However, what I am finding is that while I seem to be
> able to fully tweak the first voice in the combi by pressing voice 1
> and then turning a knob, say, the wave shape of an oscillator.... i
> cannot change this parameter on voice 2, 3 or 4.  Is this something to
> do with the design of the synth?  Or is there something I'm missing.
> If it is the way it is designed, I find it more than just a little
> annoying.  
> 
> -Collin
> 
are you running voices 2, 3 and 4 on different midi channels ie in
multi-mode?  if so then you need to change the output channel to 2, 3 or 4
to change those sounds otherwise all your editing will be for channel 1.

probably!

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Hi,

I recently started using a PEK. With the way I like to work, tweaking 
as much as possible in the MIDI realm, I would like to use combi mode 
to tweak the 4 patches while they are played side by side, and as if 
they were 4 mono evolvers... this way I can design sounds to work and 
mix together.   However, what I am finding is that while I seem to be 
able to fully tweak the first voice in the combi by pressing voice 1 
and then turning a knob, say, the wave shape of an oscillator.... i 
cannot change this parameter on voice 2, 3 or 4.  Is this something to 
do with the design of the synth?  Or is there something I'm missing.  
If it is the way it is designed, I find it more than just a little 
annoying.  

-Collin

I'm running them as channel 13, 14, 15, and 16.  I do have the 
keyboard routed through my MC-909 and back to the keyboard, with 
local off.  However I just tried turning local back on and unplugging 
my midi cables and it still operates the way I described.   If I try 
changing what MIDI channel the keyboard is transmitting on, nothing 
is affect...

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, moose <moose@p...> wrote:
>
> On 21/11/05 9:59 PM, "Collin" wrote:
> 
> > However, what I am finding is that while I seem to be
> > able to fully tweak the first voice in the combi by pressing 
voice 1
> > and then turning a knob, say, the wave shape of an oscillator.... 
i
> > cannot change this parameter on voice 2, 3 or 4.  Is this 
something to
> > do with the design of the synth?  Or is there something I'm 
missing.
> > If it is the way it is designed, I find it more than just a little
> > annoying.  
> > 
> > -Collin
> > 
> are you running voices 2, 3 and 4 on different midi channels ie in
> multi-mode?  if so then you need to change the output channel to 2, 
3 or 4
> to change those sounds otherwise all your editing will be for 
channel 1.

> 
> probably!
> 
> }:-)
> 
> 
> email :
>   moose@p...
> 
> music sites :
>   http://www.pigpendigital.com
>   http://www.alaskahighway.com
>   http://www.mishikawa.com
>

I have also had some odd behavior in my PEK in combi mode - but not what
you describe, but maybe similar.

When in combi mode, if I edit patch 1's Cutoff, and then switch the
panel to patch 2, the value starts editing from the *last value of patch
A*.  I know that sounds wierd, but essentially it means that if patch A
has a FC of 100 and I lower it to 60, when I switch to patch B it all
sounds normal until I edit FC and then the FC value jumps first to 60
regardless of what value patch B has stored and was playing.  It took me
a bit to get a handle on it but it happens every time.  

Generaly, I work with my synths in single mode, so this hasnt been a
problem for me. I can see how others would be very frustrated though..

Tony

On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 04:59 +0000, Collin wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I recently started using a PEK. With the way I like to work, tweaking 
> as much as possible in the MIDI realm, I would like to use combi mode 
> to tweak the 4 patches while they are played side by side, and as if 
> they were 4 mono evolvers... this way I can design sounds to work and 
> mix together.   However, what I am finding is that while I seem to be 
> able to fully tweak the first voice in the combi by pressing voice 1 
> and then turning a knob, say, the wave shape of an oscillator.... i 
> cannot change this parameter on voice 2, 3 or 4.  Is this something
> to 
> do with the design of the synth?  Or is there something I'm missing.  
> If it is the way it is designed, I find it more than just a little 
> annoying.  
> 
> -Collin
> 
> 
> 
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"Ravi Ivan Sharma" <sharmalaw1@...> writes:
> press and hold part buttons to fix the part that you are editing while
> in combo mode I believe (choosing no part buttons means the knobs
> tweak all parts for wild effects).

I've noticed odd behavior where selecting a part with the part button
doesn't "take" for some parameters (I _think_ one may be the osc-sync
button), and ends up affecting the wrong part until you tweak another
parameter that _does_ take.

However the effect is hard to pin down (in part because there's no
display feedback for some params like osc-sync), so I'm not entirely
sure whether it's real or I'm simply hallucinating.

-miles
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It's still not working.  It's really strange, for part one all 
parameters are editable... if I go to another part, only LFO amount, 
Distortion amount and the sequencer steps are editable.  Does this 
sound like my Evo is fanangled??

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" 
<sharmalaw1@h...> wrote:
>
> press and hold part buttons to fix the part that you are editing 
while in combo mode I believe (choosing no part buttons means the 
knobs tweak all parts for wild effects).
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Collin 
>   To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:59 PM
>   Subject: [Evolver] A problem with PEK
> 
> 
>   Hi,
> 
>   I recently started using a PEK. With the way I like to work, 
tweaking 
>   as much as possible in the MIDI realm, I would like to use combi 
mode 
>   to tweak the 4 patches while they are played side by side, and as 
if 
>   they were 4 mono evolvers... this way I can design sounds to work 
and 
>   mix together.   However, what I am finding is that while I seem 
to be 
>   able to fully tweak the first voice in the combi by pressing 
voice 1 
>   and then turning a knob, say, the wave shape of an oscillator.... 
i 
>   cannot change this parameter on voice 2, 3 or 4.  Is this 
something to 
>   do with the design of the synth?  Or is there something I'm 
missing.  
>   If it is the way it is designed, I find it more than just a 
little 
>   annoying.  
> 
>   -Collin
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Is there a way to do a hard reset or soft reset??  Or is it possible 
to re-upload the operating system?

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Collin" <collin_meyer@y...> 
wrote:
>
> It's still not working.  It's really strange, for part one all 
> parameters are editable... if I go to another part, only LFO 
amount, 
> Distortion amount and the sequencer steps are editable.  Does this 
> sound like my Evo is fanangled??
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" 
> <sharmalaw1@h...> wrote:
> >
> > press and hold part buttons to fix the part that you are editing 
> while in combo mode I believe (choosing no part buttons means the 
> knobs tweak all parts for wild effects).
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Collin 
> >   To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:59 PM
> >   Subject: [Evolver] A problem with PEK
> > 
> > 
> >   Hi,
> > 
> >   I recently started using a PEK. With the way I like to work, 
> tweaking 
> >   as much as possible in the MIDI realm, I would like to use 
combi 
> mode 
> >   to tweak the 4 patches while they are played side by side, and 
as 
> if 
> >   they were 4 mono evolvers... this way I can design sounds to 
work 
> and 
> >   mix together.   However, what I am finding is that while I seem 
> to be 
> >   able to fully tweak the first voice in the combi by pressing 
> voice 1 
> >   and then turning a knob, say, the wave shape of an 
oscillator.... 
> i 
> >   cannot change this parameter on voice 2, 3 or 4.  Is this 
> something to 
> >   do with the design of the synth?  Or is there something I'm 
> missing.  
> >   If it is the way it is designed, I find it more than just a 
> little 
> >   annoying.  
> > 
> >   -Collin
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Hi guys,

Dave sent me an update for the main processor that fixed the 
problem.  It appears, though, that you cannot store changes you have 
made to sounds in combo mode... is that correct?  I guess it depends 
on how you work, but I really wish it could do that.  

--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Collin" <collin_meyer@y...> 
wrote:
>
> Is there a way to do a hard reset or soft reset??  Or is it 
possible 
> to re-upload the operating system?
> 
> --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Collin" <collin_meyer@y...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > It's still not working.  It's really strange, for part one all 
> > parameters are editable... if I go to another part, only LFO 
> amount, 
> > Distortion amount and the sequencer steps are editable.  Does 
this 
> > sound like my Evo is fanangled??
> > 
> > --- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Ivan Sharma" 
> > <sharmalaw1@h...> wrote:
> > >
> > > press and hold part buttons to fix the part that you are 
editing 
> > while in combo mode I believe (choosing no part buttons means the 
> > knobs tweak all parts for wild effects).
> > >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >   From: Collin 
> > >   To: DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com 
> > >   Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:59 PM
> > >   Subject: [Evolver] A problem with PEK
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   Hi,
> > > 
> > >   I recently started using a PEK. With the way I like to work, 
> > tweaking 
> > >   as much as possible in the MIDI realm, I would like to use 
> combi 
> > mode 
> > >   to tweak the 4 patches while they are played side by side, 
and 
> as 
> > if 
> > >   they were 4 mono evolvers... this way I can design sounds to 
> work 
> > and 
> > >   mix together.   However, what I am finding is that while I 
seem 
> > to be 
> > >   able to fully tweak the first voice in the combi by pressing 
> > voice 1 
> > >   and then turning a knob, say, the wave shape of an 
> oscillator.... 
> > i 
> > >   cannot change this parameter on voice 2, 3 or 4.  Is this 
> > something to 
> > >   do with the design of the synth?  Or is there something I'm 
> > missing.  
> > >   If it is the way it is designed, I find it more than just a 
> > little 
> > >   annoying.  
> > > 
> > >   -Collin
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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"Collin" <collin_meyer@...> writes:
> It appears, though, that you cannot store changes you have 
> made to sounds in combo mode... is that correct?  I guess it depends 
> on how you work, but I really wish it could do that.  

Correct, you can't (the manual says this), and I agree with you, it
would be a great feature -- I tend do a lot of voice tweaking in combo
mode (though I guess I shouldn't given this problem), and if I end up
making a great patch there's no choice except remembering what I did and
hoping I can recreate it in normal mode.

[The manual tries to justify this misfeature, but the justification
given is pretty bogus; I expect the real reason is that like any
feature, it would take time to code and test, and DSI is not exactly
overstaffed...]

-Miles
-- 
We live, as we dream -- alone....

On 27/11/05 11:51 PM, "Miles Bader" <miles@...> wrote:

> 
> Still, it's perfectly fine to just put a warning in the manual "if you
> write from combo mode, be careful not to overwrite patches you care
> about" and leave it up to the user to deal with this "issue".
> 
the wavestation series was even worse...  but i live with it!

> 
> [*] Hint to synth makers:  If you want to do things right, just copy the
> Nord lead 3's UI ideas!  Ok, the LED rings are too expensive, but copy
> everything else!
> 
> -miles
> 
yup, the NL3 UI is great, and probably why i enjoy programming mine so much!

}:-)


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music sites :
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  http://www.alaskahighway.com
  http://www.mishikawa.com

Ah well, I'm glad I'm not entirely alone on that feeling.  The 
manual's "justification" is more than just a little lame.  The way 
the Virus TI deals with this "problem" is to let you chose programs 
from the normal program mode to play on the different part, but when 
you tweak them in the combo, their changes are saved only in that 
combo and not the single programs.... I think that makes a whole lot 
of sense.   

On the other hand, I am glad I am now clear on what the synth can and 
can't do.  Mine came broken, so to speak, it was not able to function 
properly in combo mode.  That prevented me from understanding what 
the synth's capabilities were.   


--- In DSI_Evolver@yahoogroups.com, Miles Bader <miles@g...> wrote:
>
> "Collin" <collin_meyer@y...> writes:
> > It appears, though, that you cannot store changes you have 
> > made to sounds in combo mode... is that correct?  I guess it 
depends 
> > on how you work, but I really wish it could do that.  
> 
> Correct, you can't (the manual says this), and I agree with you, it
> would be a great feature -- I tend do a lot of voice tweaking in 
combo
> mode (though I guess I shouldn't given this problem), and if I end 
up
> making a great patch there's no choice except remembering what I 
did and

> hoping I can recreate it in normal mode.
> 
> [The manual tries to justify this misfeature, but the justification
> given is pretty bogus; I expect the real reason is that like any
> feature, it would take time to code and test, and DSI is not exactly
> overstaffed...]
> 
> -Miles
> -- 
> We live, as we dream -- alone....
>

"Collin" <collin_meyer@...> writes:
> Ah well, I'm glad I'm not entirely alone on that feeling.  The 
> manual's "justification" is more than just a little lame.  The way 
> the Virus TI deals with this "problem" is to let you chose programs 
> from the normal program mode to play on the different part, but when 
> you tweak them in the combo, their changes are saved only in that 
> combo and not the single programs.... I think that makes a whole lot 
> of sense.   

Yes, that's what the Nord leads[*] all do too; in my mind it's clearly the
"best" solution, but it also requires a lot more patch memory, so it's
obviously not going to happen on the Evolver.

Still, it's perfectly fine to just put a warning in the manual "if you
write from combo mode, be careful not to overwrite patches you care
about" and leave it up to the user to deal with this "issue".

A technical change that might help reduce any potential problems -- and
also applies to normal patch mode too! -- is to _show the name of the
patch slots_ in the save "dialog".  [Even though you can use the
"compare" button to listen to potential save-slots in the save-dialogue,
I find it's not nearly as useful as simply seeing the name.]

[*] Hint to synth makers:  If you want to do things right, just copy the
Nord lead 3's UI ideas!  Ok, the LED rings are too expensive, but copy
everything else!

-miles
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