Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Hey guys:
Well after much consideration, I've decided to go the route of adding 
another DTX I module rather than a MIDI device to get more triggers.
I've searched the normal (ebay, Drumbalaya, Drummer's Web, etc.)
places for a used DTX but can't seem to find one.
Anyone have any other sources I might try?
Thanks for any suggestions,
Stephen
p.s. The Music store next door does have a DM5 I'm considering 
grabbing if I can't find the DTX.

Good morning, Stephen,

Is it a used DM5? Then it should cost around the ballpark of a used 
DTXPU. Even the new ones are only $300 bucks or so. It doesn't have 
all the amenities of the Yamaha (though thankfully some of its 
programmed sounds come with effects), but you've already got those. 
It does have some nice features of its own, though, like 18 bit 
processing and voices recorded in true stereo. Why not grab it? 
Also, just for the record, Jade's midikiti is available, not because 
it's too difficult to use (the tip from Yamaha solved that problem) 
but because unforeseen expenses have cropped up.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> Hey guys:
> Well after much consideration, I've decided to go the route of 
adding 
> another DTX I module rather than a MIDI device to get more 
triggers.

> I've searched the normal (ebay, Drumbalaya, Drummer's Web, etc.)
> places for a used DTX but can't seem to find one.
> Anyone have any other sources I might try?
> Thanks for any suggestions,
> Stephen
> p.s. The Music store next door does have a DM5 I'm considering 
> grabbing if I can't find the DTX.

Mornin' Ed:
Yes, the DM5 is used but in good shape with the asking price of $229 
with adapter and manual. I've seen them new at MF for $349.
I considered the MIDI approach but fear my learning curve may be too 
great. I barely find enough time to play, much less program. If it 
comes to that, do you know what the asking price for Jade's KITI is, 
if it's still available?
Stephen

Jade's "midi kiti" is currently on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&category=10175&item=2515561560&rd=1

But I know that Jade will entertain outside offers, especially if 
the auction doesn't pick up steam in the next five hours or so when 
it ends. I also know that someone else out there has contacted Jade 
and is waiting to see how the auction goes before pouncing to make a 
deal. 

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> Mornin' Ed:
> Yes, the DM5 is used but in good shape with the asking price of 
$229 
> with adapter and manual. I've seen them new at MF for $349.
> I considered the MIDI approach but fear my learning curve may be 
too 
> great. I barely find enough time to play, much less program. If it 
> comes to that, do you know what the asking price for Jade's KITI 
is, 
> if it's still available?
> Stephen

I have a Midi Kiti for sale...it works great(once you
factory re-set the DTXII module)...I just got another
DTXII module...if you are interested-let me know
Jade
--- brown8700 <brown8700@...> wrote:
> Hey guys:
> Well after much consideration, I've decided to go
> the route of adding 
> another DTX I module rather than a MIDI device to
> get more triggers.
> I've searched the normal (ebay, Drumbalaya,
> Drummer's Web, etc.)
> places for a used DTX but can't seem to find one.
> Anyone have any other sources I might try?
> Thanks for any suggestions,
> Stephen
> p.s. The Music store next door does have a DM5 I'm
> considering 
> grabbing if I can't find the DTX.
> 
> 


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Well, I haven't been able to find a used DTX, but I did run across a 
used DM5 that will be purchasing this evening. I'm kind of excited 
about the range of new sounds the DM5 offers.

I'll now be able to use the extra pads and cymbals I have, as well as 
run (hopefully) 4 separate audio outs to the PA.

I'll post later to let you all know how I like this configuration.

Stephen

I just picked up a used DM5 to augment my DTX, and I have a question 
or two for anyone familiar with the DM5.
Are any of the trigger inputs of the DM5 stereo, so that they could 
accept both signal from a Pintech dual zone Zenbal?
How does the HH foot pedal function with the module (which trigger 
input)?
Can you layer sounds, and set velocity parameters on the second sound 
as you can on the DTX?
My original thought was to run cymbals and percussion through the DM5 
and the true drums sounds through the DTX. However, I didn't have 
much luck last evening setting things up as I had hoped.
Any help, hints, tips or advice is appreciated.
Stephen

Stephen
I sold my DM5 two years ago, but Here is what I remember.
The inputs are all mono.
There is a dedicated HH footswitch input.It is just a momentary 
switch; open and closed. no in-between.
You can't layer sounds.
I used mine for triggering from acoustic drums, and a couple added 
pads. For that it was excellent.What I did like was four outputs(two 
stereo pairs.) I had snare on one, kick on one, toms on one and 
accessories on one.
Scott

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> 
> I just picked up a used DM5 to augment my DTX, and I have a question 
> or two for anyone familiar with the DM5.
> Are any of the trigger inputs of the DM5 stereo, so that they could 
> accept both signal from a Pintech dual zone Zenbal?
> How does the HH foot pedal function with the module (which trigger 
> input)?
> Can you layer sounds, and set velocity parameters on the second 
sound 
> as you can on the DTX?
> My original thought was to run cymbals and percussion through the 
DM5 

> and the true drums sounds through the DTX. However, I didn't have 
> much luck last evening setting things up as I had hoped.
> Any help, hints, tips or advice is appreciated.
> Stephen

Claudio:
Consider yourself 'owed'. I'll play a solo tonight in your honor.

After considering all this, I think I'll run my two Zenbals through 
the DM5 (using two inputs) as well as my Bar Pad (two more inputs). 
I'll have to try out the HH, but it doesn't sound like I'll like the 
downgrade from the DTX.

Actually, unless I am mistaken The Zenbal is a Stereo pad. It WILL NOT 
work with a splitter.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, MrPhoney@a... wrote:
> There are no stereo hookups on the DM5. You would need to use a 
stereo 
> adapter for the cymbal to two triggers on the DM5. The HH foot pedal 
gets 
> hooked up to the FOOTSWITCH input on the very left hand side. Make 
sure that 
> you have the Footswitch trigger set correctly, not as a switch. 
> 
> You can download the manual for free here. You owe me one!
> 
> <A 
HREF="http://www.alesis.com/downloads/manuals/index.html">http://www.a
lesis.com/downloads/manuals/index.html</A>
> 
> Claudio Ortiz

Scott,

You're not mistaken. The Zenbal stereo cymbal will not work with a 
splitter. Shame on you, Stephen.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "hairytrigger" <artifax@i...> wrote:
> Actually, unless I am mistaken The Zenbal is a Stereo pad. It WILL 
NOT 
> work with a splitter.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, MrPhoney@a... wrote:
> > There are no stereo hookups on the DM5. You would need to use a 
> stereo 
> > adapter for the cymbal to two triggers on the DM5. The HH foot 
pedal 
> gets 
> > hooked up to the FOOTSWITCH input on the very left hand side. 
Make 
> sure that 
> > you have the Footswitch trigger set correctly, not as a switch. 
> > 
> > You can download the manual for free here. You owe me one!
> > 
> > <A 
> 
HREF="http://www.alesis.com/downloads/manuals/index.html">http://www.
a

> lesis.com/downloads/manuals/index.html</A>
> > 
> > Claudio Ortiz

"The Zenbal stereo cymbal will not work with a splitter." - Ed

And how well I know know it! Also, the DM5 doesn't have a Windchime 
sound. I'm 97.5% certain thias thing is going back. The store I 
bought it from had a pretty well used DTXpress set for sale. It had a 
variety of pads. I originally asked the store owner (whom I know 
quite well) if he would consider breaking up the set and put the DM5 
on it and sell me the DTX module. He didn't go for it though.
However, when he sees me bringing back the DM5 for a cash refund, he 
might reconsider.

Oh, and you ought to see the module mount (actually it's a module 
mounting system, or MMS) to hold the two brains. I'll have to take a 
picture of it. It added 50% weight by volume to my kit!!!!
Aha, another reason to return the DM5.

Ed, if I take the DM5 back, will I be allowed once again into the 
brotherhood of DTX owners?

Stephen

I still have a Midi Kiti for sale...it will do what
you want.
Jade
--- brown8700 <brown8700@...> wrote:
> "The Zenbal stereo cymbal will not work with a
> splitter." - Ed
> 
> And how well I know know it! Also, the DM5 doesn't
> have a Windchime 
> sound. I'm 97.5% certain thias thing is going back.
> The store I 
> bought it from had a pretty well used DTXpress set
> for sale. It had a 
> variety of pads. I originally asked the store owner
> (whom I know 
> quite well) if he would consider breaking up the set
> and put the DM5 
> on it and sell me the DTX module. He didn't go for
> it though.
> However, when he sees me bringing back the DM5 for a
> cash refund, he 
> might reconsider.
> 
> Oh, and you ought to see the module mount (actually
> it's a module 
> mounting system, or MMS) to hold the two brains.
> I'll have to take a 
> picture of it. It added 50% weight by volume to my
> kit!!!!
> Aha, another reason to return the DM5.
> 
> Ed, if I take the DM5 back, will I be allowed once
> again into the 
> brotherhood of DTX owners?
> 
> Stephen
> 
> 
> 


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Stephen,

Yes, you can come back. You hate the DM5 as a second unit, huh? 
Well, I guess if you wanted it to pull equal weight alongside the 
DTXPU, I can understand it. I'd use it the way I use the midikiti--
to house percussion sounds that have a permanent, though secondary, 
use in all of my kits--not to take up all the cymbals or all the 
pads, first because it's all mono and second because it isn't as 
versatile to program. Can't you use it as a midi device 
parasitically through to the DTXPU? That is, with midi out bypassing 
its own sounds, can it tap into the sounds of the DTX via channel 
and note number? This is an honest question; I simply don't know if 
the DM5 will work that way. Maybe someone else does.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> "The Zenbal stereo cymbal will not work with a splitter." - Ed
> 
> And how well I know know it! Also, the DM5 doesn't have a 
Windchime 
> sound. I'm 97.5% certain thias thing is going back. The store I 
> bought it from had a pretty well used DTXpress set for sale. It 
had a 
> variety of pads. I originally asked the store owner (whom I know 
> quite well) if he would consider breaking up the set and put the 
DM5 
> on it and sell me the DTX module. He didn't go for it though.
> However, when he sees me bringing back the DM5 for a cash refund, 
he 
> might reconsider.
> 
> Oh, and you ought to see the module mount (actually it's a module 
> mounting system, or MMS) to hold the two brains. I'll have to take 
a 

> picture of it. It added 50% weight by volume to my kit!!!!
> Aha, another reason to return the DM5.
> 
> Ed, if I take the DM5 back, will I be allowed once again into the 
> brotherhood of DTX owners?
> 
> Stephen

And now, the rest of the story.........

OK, so I got the DM5 set up on Thursday (4+ hours) and it sounded 
great. Go to fire up the kit on Friday....no stored kits. Darn, it 
must be the battery. Take the unit back to the stor to have the 
battery replaced at no charge. Pick it up yesterday. Take it home and 
modify one kit. Changes won't; the unit keeps resetting to factory 
defaults. Take the unit back to the store this evening. The shop 
owner breaks up a used DTXpress he has on the floor and swaps me even.

WooHoo!

Not only do I have the second DTX like I originally wanted, but I got 
it for $125 (and 3 PCY pads). Plus, I get to stick around here.

I've got tomorrow off, so I think I'll be doing a bit of programming 
before a mini-recording session tomorrow evening

Stephen,

We're all going to line up for a chance to touch the hem of your 
garment and get some of your luck. Nice work.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:
> And now, the rest of the story.........
> 
> OK, so I got the DM5 set up on Thursday (4+ hours) and it sounded 
> great. Go to fire up the kit on Friday....no stored kits. Darn, it 
> must be the battery. Take the unit back to the stor to have the 
> battery replaced at no charge. Pick it up yesterday. Take it home 
and 
> modify one kit. Changes won't; the unit keeps resetting to factory 
> defaults. Take the unit back to the store this evening. The shop 
> owner breaks up a used DTXpress he has on the floor and swaps me 
even.
> 
> WooHoo!
> 
> Not only do I have the second DTX like I originally wanted, but I 
got 
> it for $125 (and 3 PCY pads). Plus, I get to stick around here.
> 
> I've got tomorrow off, so I think I'll be doing a bit of 
programming 
> before a mini-recording session tomorrow evening

Some people have all the luck!

Me, I'm stuck with stunning good looks.

Walt

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "brown8700" <brown8700@a...> wrote:

> And now, the rest of the story.........
> 
> OK, so I got the DM5 set up on Thursday (4+ hours) and it sounded 
> great. Go to fire up the kit on Friday....no stored kits. Darn, it 
> must be the battery. Take the unit back to the stor to have the 
> battery replaced at no charge. Pick it up yesterday. Take it home and 
> modify one kit. Changes won't; the unit keeps resetting to factory 
> defaults. Take the unit back to the store this evening. The shop 
> owner breaks up a used DTXpress he has on the floor and swaps me even.
> 
> WooHoo!
> 
> Not only do I have the second DTX like I originally wanted, but I got 
> it for $125 (and 3 PCY pads). Plus, I get to stick around here.
> 
> I've got tomorrow off, so I think I'll be doing a bit of programming 
> before a mini-recording session tomorrow evening

Walt, Ed:
Yes, I did get lucky on this deal. I've done business with this shop 
for years, and apparently the owner knows it's better to lose a few 
bucks on a deal than to lose a good customer.

When I got home last night, I had a delivery from Musician's Friend. 
It was my Behringer MX602 mixer (thanks for the idea, Ratzo). Using 
this, I should be able to send four seprate line to the mixing board 
(1-bass, 2-snare, 3-toms, 4-cymbals/percussion). I set the two DTXs 
up with those four groups panned to either the left or right side.
I'll find out tonight if that worked. It better; it's a live 
situation!

My wife says I now have everything I need.

On Thu, 03 Apr 2003 16:28:42 -0000, you wrote:


>When I got home last night, I had a delivery from Musician's Friend. 
>It was my Behringer MX602 mixer (thanks for the idea, Ratzo). Using 

No problem ;-)

>this, I should be able to send four seprate line to the mixing board 
>(1-bass, 2-snare, 3-toms, 4-cymbals/percussion). I set the two DTXs 
>up with those four groups panned to either the left or right side.
>I'll find out tonight if that worked. It better; it's a live 
>situation!

I do the same with the panning bit.  Works great.

>My wife says I now have everything I need. 

So dose mine, but I still manage to prove her wrong from time to time.





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Jim

Ratzo:
Used the MX602 last night and it worked like a charm. What I really 
like about (and didn't realize beforehand), is that I can drastically 
change the sound of the drums, particularly the snare.
This will come in helpful in going from a deep coliseum snare sound 
to piccolo without having to change kits or voices.
Cool!

On Fri, 04 Apr 2003 21:12:55 -0000, you wrote:

>Ratzo:
>Used the MX602 last night and it worked like a charm. What I really 
>like about (and didn't realize beforehand), is that I can drastically 
>change the sound of the drums, particularly the snare.
>This will come in helpful in going from a deep coliseum snare sound 
>to piccolo without having to change kits or voices.
>Cool!

Yep, it's a cool little gizmo.  I'd like to have a second one for my
PC.  I read a review from a guy who was using it to mix his inputs and
headphone/speaker outputs of his sound card.  Sounds like just the
ticket, having volume and mix controls right there next to your mouse.



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Jim

> Yep, it's a cool little gizmo.  I'd like to have a second one 
> for my PC.  I read a review from a guy who was using it to 
> mix his inputs and headphone/speaker outputs of his sound 
> card.  Sounds like just the ticket, having volume and mix 
> controls right there next to your mouse.

I've got it exactly there, and a step away from my kit :) 
I used my PC instead of a taperecorder the tape loop of the mx, so I can
play along with an MP3, and record my humble rumble (without the MP3 :)

Grz Erik