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Missing sounds in my Digital Orchestrator

Missing sounds in my Digital Orchestrator

2003-03-30 by Brett

Greetings, all.  Hope is everyone is well, and family is safe if 
overseas.  I've been gone for awhile, but I am back with a question 
that is kind of stupifying me.  I have the pc software Digital 
Orchestrator (not the best, I admit) and I'm running my DTXpress 2 
into it to record my own tracks and mix it up.  I've encountered a 
problem that I can't understand.  I am receiving sound into my pc 
from my module, and it is recording it like its' supposed to, all 
except for the snare and the bass drum.  All cymbals and toms are ok, 
but that's it.  Here's the kicker, and it may shead some clues to the 
problem.  The snare and bass can be heard if I use a pre-defined kit 
in the module, but not a user kit.  Any ideas?  I'm not sure what's 
going on here.  Any help is, as always, appreciated.

Brett

p.s. - Happy B-Day Ratzo!

Re: Missing sounds in my Digital Orchestrator

2003-03-30 by liberatusvirus

Brett,

I'm not sure that I have a handle on everything here, but the DTXPU 
used to pre-assign nonstandard midi note numbers for snare and bass, 
wreaking havoc with people who wanted to hear them through other 
midi devices or programs; snare and kick were liable to come out as 
anything, depending on what the numbers represented elsewhere. In 
earlier versions, if you adjusted the snare and kick notes to what 
your software (Cubase, for example) expected, then everything worked 
out fine. I don't know enough about the DTXPIIU to say exactly 
what's happening. In your case, if the note numbers for the default 
kits appear to work okay (at least sometimes), you might check to 
see whether they vary in the user ones.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Brett" <baaron_123@y...> wrote:
> Greetings, all.  Hope is everyone is well, and family is safe if 
> overseas.  I've been gone for awhile, but I am back with a 
question 
> that is kind of stupifying me.  I have the pc software Digital 
> Orchestrator (not the best, I admit) and I'm running my DTXpress 2 
> into it to record my own tracks and mix it up.  I've encountered a 
> problem that I can't understand.  I am receiving sound into my pc 
> from my module, and it is recording it like its' supposed to, all 
> except for the snare and the bass drum.  All cymbals and toms are 
ok, 
> but that's it.  Here's the kicker, and it may shead some clues to 
the 
> problem.  The snare and bass can be heard if I use a pre-defined 
kit 
> in the module, but not a user kit.  Any ideas?  I'm not sure 
what's 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> going on here.  Any help is, as always, appreciated.
> 
> Brett
> 
> p.s. - Happy B-Day Ratzo!

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Missing sounds in my Digital Orchestrator

2003-03-30 by Brett

I cross-checked the settings for the ones that
actually produce the snare and bass sounds with the
ones that do not, and I personally was not able to see
a difference between them.  This is really confusing
me.  Unfortunately, I don't know enough about MIDI
note numbers and channels and such to really be able
to come to a solution to this.  

Back to task, I guess.  Thanks for the impute Ed, I
appreciate it.  Anyone else with ideas?

Brett


--- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> Brett,
> 
> I'm not sure that I have a handle on everything
> here, but the DTXPU 
> used to pre-assign nonstandard midi note numbers for
> snare and bass, 
> wreaking havoc with people who wanted to hear them
> through other 
> midi devices or programs; snare and kick were liable
> to come out as 
> anything, depending on what the numbers represented
> elsewhere. In 
> earlier versions, if you adjusted the snare and kick
> notes to what 
> your software (Cubase, for example) expected, then
> everything worked 
> out fine. I don't know enough about the DTXPIIU to
> say exactly 
> what's happening. In your case, if the note numbers
> for the default 
> kits appear to work okay (at least sometimes), you
> might check to 
> see whether they vary in the user ones.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Brett"
> <baaron_123@y...> wrote:
> > Greetings, all.  Hope is everyone is well, and
> family is safe if 
> > overseas.  I've been gone for awhile, but I am
> back with a 
> question 
> > that is kind of stupifying me.  I have the pc
> software Digital 
> > Orchestrator (not the best, I admit) and I'm
> running my DTXpress 2 
> > into it to record my own tracks and mix it up. 
> I've encountered a 
> > problem that I can't understand.  I am receiving
> sound into my pc 
> > from my module, and it is recording it like its'
> supposed to, all 
> > except for the snare and the bass drum.  All
> cymbals and toms are 
> ok, 
> > but that's it.  Here's the kicker, and it may
> shead some clues to 
> the 
> > problem.  The snare and bass can be heard if I use
> a pre-defined 
> kit 
> > in the module, but not a user kit.  Any ideas? 
> I'm not sure 
> what's 
> > going on here.  Any help is, as always,
> appreciated.
> > 
> > Brett
> > 
> > p.s. - Happy B-Day Ratzo!
> 
> 


=====

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Re: Missing sounds in my Digital Orchestrator

2003-03-30 by liberatusvirus

Although it's entirely possible that your problem with snare and 
kick is different from the traditional one, such a coincidence  
would seem to indicate a connection. What midi notes does the 
Digital Orchestrator assign to snare and kick? Those are the ones 
you want to match. Are you operating on Channel 10 out of the DTX?

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Brett <baaron_123@y...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> I cross-checked the settings for the ones that
> actually produce the snare and bass sounds with the
> ones that do not, and I personally was not able to see
> a difference between them.  This is really confusing
> me.  Unfortunately, I don't know enough about MIDI
> note numbers and channels and such to really be able
> to come to a solution to this.  
> 
> Back to task, I guess.  Thanks for the impute Ed, I
> appreciate it.  Anyone else with ideas?
> 
> Brett
> 
> 
> --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Brett,
> > 
> > I'm not sure that I have a handle on everything
> > here, but the DTXPU 
> > used to pre-assign nonstandard midi note numbers for
> > snare and bass, 
> > wreaking havoc with people who wanted to hear them
> > through other 
> > midi devices or programs; snare and kick were liable
> > to come out as 
> > anything, depending on what the numbers represented
> > elsewhere. In 
> > earlier versions, if you adjusted the snare and kick
> > notes to what 
> > your software (Cubase, for example) expected, then
> > everything worked 
> > out fine. I don't know enough about the DTXPIIU to
> > say exactly 
> > what's happening. In your case, if the note numbers
> > for the default 
> > kits appear to work okay (at least sometimes), you
> > might check to 
> > see whether they vary in the user ones.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Brett"
> > <baaron_123@y...> wrote:
> > > Greetings, all.  Hope is everyone is well, and
> > family is safe if 
> > > overseas.  I've been gone for awhile, but I am
> > back with a 
> > question 
> > > that is kind of stupifying me.  I have the pc
> > software Digital 
> > > Orchestrator (not the best, I admit) and I'm
> > running my DTXpress 2 
> > > into it to record my own tracks and mix it up. 
> > I've encountered a 
> > > problem that I can't understand.  I am receiving
> > sound into my pc 
> > > from my module, and it is recording it like its'
> > supposed to, all 
> > > except for the snare and the bass drum.  All
> > cymbals and toms are 
> > ok, 
> > > but that's it.  Here's the kicker, and it may
> > shead some clues to 
> > the 
> > > problem.  The snare and bass can be heard if I use
> > a pre-defined 
> > kit 
> > > in the module, but not a user kit.  Any ideas? 
> > I'm not sure 
> > what's 
> > > going on here.  Any help is, as always,
> > appreciated.
> > > 
> > > Brett
> > > 
> > > p.s. - Happy B-Day Ratzo!
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> =====
> 
> Vote Quimby!

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Missing sounds in my Digital Orchestrator

2003-03-30 by Brett

Yup, operating out of chammel 10.  There is an option
for Patch Map Setup, and there are quite a few options
for Yamaha, but none that lists DTX or anything close
to that.  I think most are for drum machines.  As it
stands it defaults to General MIDI Drums.  Could this
be the culprit?

Brett



--- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> Although it's entirely possible that your problem
> with snare and 
> kick is different from the traditional one, such a
> coincidence  
> would seem to indicate a connection. What midi notes
> does the 
> Digital Orchestrator assign to snare and kick? Those
> are the ones 
> you want to match. Are you operating on Channel 10
> out of the DTX?
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Brett
> <baaron_123@y...> wrote:
> > I cross-checked the settings for the ones that
> > actually produce the snare and bass sounds with
> the
> > ones that do not, and I personally was not able to
> see
> > a difference between them.  This is really
> confusing
> > me.  Unfortunately, I don't know enough about MIDI
> > note numbers and channels and such to really be
> able
> > to come to a solution to this.  
> > 
> > Back to task, I guess.  Thanks for the impute Ed,
> I
> > appreciate it.  Anyone else with ideas?
> > 
> > Brett
> > 
> > 
> > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Brett,
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure that I have a handle on everything
> > > here, but the DTXPU 
> > > used to pre-assign nonstandard midi note numbers
> for
> > > snare and bass, 
> > > wreaking havoc with people who wanted to hear
> them
> > > through other 
> > > midi devices or programs; snare and kick were
> liable
> > > to come out as 
> > > anything, depending on what the numbers
> represented
> > > elsewhere. In 
> > > earlier versions, if you adjusted the snare and
> kick
> > > notes to what 
> > > your software (Cubase, for example) expected,
> then
> > > everything worked 
> > > out fine. I don't know enough about the DTXPIIU
> to
> > > say exactly 
> > > what's happening. In your case, if the note
> numbers
> > > for the default 
> > > kits appear to work okay (at least sometimes),
> you
> > > might check to 
> > > see whether they vary in the user ones.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Brett"
> > > <baaron_123@y...> wrote:
> > > > Greetings, all.  Hope is everyone is well, and
> > > family is safe if 
> > > > overseas.  I've been gone for awhile, but I am
> > > back with a 
> > > question 
> > > > that is kind of stupifying me.  I have the pc
> > > software Digital 
> > > > Orchestrator (not the best, I admit) and I'm
> > > running my DTXpress 2 
> > > > into it to record my own tracks and mix it up.
> 
> > > I've encountered a 
> > > > problem that I can't understand.  I am
> receiving
> > > sound into my pc 
> > > > from my module, and it is recording it like
> its'
> > > supposed to, all 
> > > > except for the snare and the bass drum.  All
> > > cymbals and toms are 
> > > ok, 
> > > > but that's it.  Here's the kicker, and it may
> > > shead some clues to 
> > > the 
> > > > problem.  The snare and bass can be heard if I
> use
> > > a pre-defined 
> > > kit 
> > > > in the module, but not a user kit.  Any ideas?
> 
> > > I'm not sure 
> > > what's 
> > > > going on here.  Any help is, as always,
> > > appreciated.
> > > > 
> > > > Brett
> > > > 
> > > > p.s. - Happy B-Day Ratzo!
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > =====
> > 
> > Vote Quimby!
> 
> 


=====

Vote Quimby!

Re: Missing sounds in my Digital Orchestrator

2003-03-30 by liberatusvirus

Yup, that could be the culprit. Drum machines are the default for a 
lot of devices. As I said, the dtx varied from the GM norm, at least 
so far as kick and snare note numbers were concerned (usually, GM is 
35 and 36 or something like that). You may have to do some tinkering 
with the numbers.

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Brett <baaron_123@y...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Yup, operating out of chammel 10.  There is an option
> for Patch Map Setup, and there are quite a few options
> for Yamaha, but none that lists DTX or anything close
> to that.  I think most are for drum machines.  As it
> stands it defaults to General MIDI Drums.  Could this
> be the culprit?
> 
> Brett
> 
> 
> 
> --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > Although it's entirely possible that your problem
> > with snare and 
> > kick is different from the traditional one, such a
> > coincidence  
> > would seem to indicate a connection. What midi notes
> > does the 
> > Digital Orchestrator assign to snare and kick? Those
> > are the ones 
> > you want to match. Are you operating on Channel 10
> > out of the DTX?
> > 
> > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Brett
> > <baaron_123@y...> wrote:
> > > I cross-checked the settings for the ones that
> > > actually produce the snare and bass sounds with
> > the
> > > ones that do not, and I personally was not able to
> > see
> > > a difference between them.  This is really
> > confusing
> > > me.  Unfortunately, I don't know enough about MIDI
> > > note numbers and channels and such to really be
> > able
> > > to come to a solution to this.  
> > > 
> > > Back to task, I guess.  Thanks for the impute Ed,
> > I
> > > appreciate it.  Anyone else with ideas?
> > > 
> > > Brett
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Brett,
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not sure that I have a handle on everything
> > > > here, but the DTXPU 
> > > > used to pre-assign nonstandard midi note numbers
> > for
> > > > snare and bass, 
> > > > wreaking havoc with people who wanted to hear
> > them
> > > > through other 
> > > > midi devices or programs; snare and kick were
> > liable
> > > > to come out as 
> > > > anything, depending on what the numbers
> > represented
> > > > elsewhere. In 
> > > > earlier versions, if you adjusted the snare and
> > kick
> > > > notes to what 
> > > > your software (Cubase, for example) expected,
> > then
> > > > everything worked 
> > > > out fine. I don't know enough about the DTXPIIU
> > to
> > > > say exactly 
> > > > what's happening. In your case, if the note
> > numbers
> > > > for the default 
> > > > kits appear to work okay (at least sometimes),
> > you
> > > > might check to 
> > > > see whether they vary in the user ones.
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > > 
> > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Brett"
> > > > <baaron_123@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Greetings, all.  Hope is everyone is well, and
> > > > family is safe if 
> > > > > overseas.  I've been gone for awhile, but I am
> > > > back with a 
> > > > question 
> > > > > that is kind of stupifying me.  I have the pc
> > > > software Digital 
> > > > > Orchestrator (not the best, I admit) and I'm
> > > > running my DTXpress 2 
> > > > > into it to record my own tracks and mix it up.
> > 
> > > > I've encountered a 
> > > > > problem that I can't understand.  I am
> > receiving
> > > > sound into my pc 
> > > > > from my module, and it is recording it like
> > its'
> > > > supposed to, all 
> > > > > except for the snare and the bass drum.  All
> > > > cymbals and toms are 
> > > > ok, 
> > > > > but that's it.  Here's the kicker, and it may
> > > > shead some clues to 
> > > > the 
> > > > > problem.  The snare and bass can be heard if I
> > use
> > > > a pre-defined 
> > > > kit 
> > > > > in the module, but not a user kit.  Any ideas?
> > 
> > > > I'm not sure 
> > > > what's 
> > > > > going on here.  Any help is, as always,
> > > > appreciated.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Brett
> > > > > 
> > > > > p.s. - Happy B-Day Ratzo!
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > =====
> > > 
> > > Vote Quimby!
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> =====
> 
> Vote Quimby!

Re: [DTXpress] Re: Missing sounds in my Digital Orchestrator

2003-03-30 by Brett

For some reason or another, and I don't know why I've
never really payed any attention to it, but the only
kits that produce the snare sound through the software
is the kits labled GM CLASSIC or GM
something-or-other.  Maybe this can help me get to the
bottom of this.  I'm going to study the MIDI numbers
between the GM and the regular pre-defined kits to
find the missing clue.  Thanx for the help, Ed.  Your
a great help.

Brett


--- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> Yup, that could be the culprit. Drum machines are
> the default for a 
> lot of devices. As I said, the dtx varied from the
> GM norm, at least 
> so far as kick and snare note numbers were concerned
> (usually, GM is 
> 35 and 36 or something like that). You may have to
> do some tinkering 
> with the numbers.
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Brett
> <baaron_123@y...> wrote:
> > Yup, operating out of chammel 10.  There is an
> option
> > for Patch Map Setup, and there are quite a few
> options
> > for Yamaha, but none that lists DTX or anything
> close
> > to that.  I think most are for drum machines.  As
> it
> > stands it defaults to General MIDI Drums.  Could
> this
> > be the culprit?
> > 
> > Brett
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...> wrote:
> > > Although it's entirely possible that your
> problem
> > > with snare and 
> > > kick is different from the traditional one, such
> a
> > > coincidence  
> > > would seem to indicate a connection. What midi
> notes
> > > does the 
> > > Digital Orchestrator assign to snare and kick?
> Those
> > > are the ones 
> > > you want to match. Are you operating on Channel
> 10
> > > out of the DTX?
> > > 
> > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Brett
> > > <baaron_123@y...> wrote:
> > > > I cross-checked the settings for the ones that
> > > > actually produce the snare and bass sounds
> with
> > > the
> > > > ones that do not, and I personally was not
> able to
> > > see
> > > > a difference between them.  This is really
> > > confusing
> > > > me.  Unfortunately, I don't know enough about
> MIDI
> > > > note numbers and channels and such to really
> be
> > > able
> > > > to come to a solution to this.  
> > > > 
> > > > Back to task, I guess.  Thanks for the impute
> Ed,
> > > I
> > > > appreciate it.  Anyone else with ideas?
> > > > 
> > > > Brett
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@y...>
> wrote:
> > > > > Brett,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm not sure that I have a handle on
> everything
> > > > > here, but the DTXPU 
> > > > > used to pre-assign nonstandard midi note
> numbers
> > > for
> > > > > snare and bass, 
> > > > > wreaking havoc with people who wanted to
> hear
> > > them
> > > > > through other 
> > > > > midi devices or programs; snare and kick
> were
> > > liable
> > > > > to come out as 
> > > > > anything, depending on what the numbers
> > > represented
> > > > > elsewhere. In 
> > > > > earlier versions, if you adjusted the snare
> and
> > > kick
> > > > > notes to what 
> > > > > your software (Cubase, for example)
> expected,
> > > then
> > > > > everything worked 
> > > > > out fine. I don't know enough about the
> DTXPIIU
> > > to
> > > > > say exactly 
> > > > > what's happening. In your case, if the note
> > > numbers
> > > > > for the default 
> > > > > kits appear to work okay (at least
> sometimes),
> > > you
> > > > > might check to 
> > > > > see whether they vary in the user ones.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ed
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "Brett"
> > > > > <baaron_123@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Greetings, all.  Hope is everyone is well,
> and
> > > > > family is safe if 
> > > > > > overseas.  I've been gone for awhile, but
> I am
> > > > > back with a 
> > > > > question 
> > > > > > that is kind of stupifying me.  I have the
> pc
> > > > > software Digital 
> > > > > > Orchestrator (not the best, I admit) and
> I'm
> > > > > running my DTXpress 2 
> > > > > > into it to record my own tracks and mix it
> up.
> > > 
> > > > > I've encountered a 
> > > > > > problem that I can't understand.  I am
> > > receiving
> > > > > sound into my pc 
> > > > > > from my module, and it is recording it
> like
> > > its'
> > > > > supposed to, all 
> > > > > > except for the snare and the bass drum. 
> All
> > > > > cymbals and toms are 
> > > > > ok, 
> > > > > > but that's it.  Here's the kicker, and it
> may
> > > > > shead some clues to 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > problem.  The snare and bass can be heard
> if I
> > > use
> > > > > a pre-defined 
> > > > > kit 
> > > > > > in the module, but not a user kit.  Any
> ideas?
> > > 
> > > > > I'm not sure 
> > > > > what's 
> > > > > > going on here.  Any help is, as always,
> > > > > appreciated.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Brett
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > p.s. - Happy B-Day Ratzo!
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > =====
> > > > 
> > > > Vote Quimby!
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > =====
> > 
> > Vote Quimby!
> 
> 


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