Yamaha DTXpress/DTXplorer/DTXtreme

Folks, for your info...

Someone has posted 8 DTXpressII kits (with throne, kick 
pedal, 'phones and the crash book) with a buy-it-now price of $650 
plus $49.50 delivery.

Hey, OldGuy... you could go from phase IV through phase XI all in 
one go...

Stewart

Let me run that through the wife interpetation module.......what did your
last sentence really say..." Hey, OldGuy... you could go from death to the
grave all in one..."  

On another note, I have been emailing back and forth with Yamaha Support
about the cymbal choking issues with the DtxpressII on zones 1,3,4,5,6 (or
the lack there of) and the last response was "a product engineer is coming
by this week (last week), I will see if they are planning a operating system
update and get you an answer...good or bad" 

OldGuyDrummer 

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	moosetication [SMTP:moosetication@...]
> Sent:	Saturday, May 17, 2003 7:24 AM
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> Subject:	[DTXpress] DTXpressII on eBay...
> 
> Folks, for your info...
> 
> Someone has posted 8 DTXpressII kits (with throne, kick 
> pedal, 'phones and the crash book) with a buy-it-now price of $650 
> plus $49.50 delivery.
> 
> Hey, OldGuy... you could go from phase IV through phase XI all in 
> one go...
> 
> Stewart
> 
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--- OldGuyDrummer wrote:
> "Hey, OldGuy... you could go from death to the
> grave all in one..."

[chuckle]

> ... the cymbal choking issues with the DtxpressII
> on zones 1,3,4,5,6 (or the lack there of)...

I presume the rim sound is still available with a cymbal on the 
stereo inputs, even if the choke is not there? 'Cos I've been 
thinking of moving tom 3 to join its brother tom 4 on 9/10, and using 
the tom 3 input for a stero cymbal. At least I'd then get three 
stereos on the kit, even if only two were chokeable.

And getting hold of them in the UK is a pain... everywhere is quoting 
me 8 weeks. Might have a look around when I'm in NYC this week.

Stewart

NEWS FLASH....NEWS FLASH.

I just recieved a email from Martin at Yamaha support. They are in the
process of acquiring an updated ROM chip for the DTXPRESSII module that will
allow for choking on zones 1-8 and not just on zones 2,6,7.  Roland would
have never responsed in this honorable fashion. These guys at Yamaha are the
best when it comes to responding the end user questions and issue. A million
praises to Yamaha!!!!! Martin indicated that they will be mailing me the
update ROM chips as soon as they are available. Yippie...Yippie... 

Oh, sorry, Stewart, I just got little carried away. The Yamaha emailed
popped up in the middle of reading your response. Now back to your question.
Yes the pad and rim will trigger on the PCY's on any of the zones 1-8.
Choking will only function on zones 2, 6,7....for now. But actually all you
really need to do is move the PCY65 (mono) to zone 4 since it does not have
rim trigger anyway and put the new PCY65S on zone 7 (crash) and you will get
pad, rim and choking!!!! You will need to change pad trigger types to the
correct type also. You can still move the tom3 to 9/10 as planned.

OldGuyDrummer.

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> Sent:	Monday, May 19, 2003 11:27 AM
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> Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: DTXpressII on eBay...
> 
> --- OldGuyDrummer wrote:
> > "Hey, OldGuy... you could go from death to the
> > grave all in one..."
> 
> [chuckle]
> 
> > ... the cymbal choking issues with the DtxpressII
> > on zones 1,3,4,5,6 (or the lack there of)...
> 
> I presume the rim sound is still available with a cymbal on the 
> stereo inputs, even if the choke is not there? 'Cos I've been 
> thinking of moving tom 3 to join its brother tom 4 on 9/10, and using 
> the tom 3 input for a stero cymbal. At least I'd then get three 
> stereos on the kit, even if only two were chokeable.
> 
> And getting hold of them in the UK is a pain... everywhere is quoting 
> me 8 weeks. Might have a look around when I'm in NYC this week.
> 
> Stewart
> 
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Yamaha's repsonsiveness does warm your heart, doesn't it? We gripe 
sometimes about the products--and we have to if we want a role in 
how they evolve--but we are lucky to have so good a relationship 
with the company. Dave, Dave, Martin, et al., if, by any chance 
you're reading these things, many thanks for your help. We really do 
appreciate it. That's how you build consumer loyalty.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, rdamon@m... wrote:
> NEWS FLASH....NEWS FLASH.
> 
> I just recieved a email from Martin at Yamaha support. They are in 
the
> process of acquiring an updated ROM chip for the DTXPRESSII module 
that will
> allow for choking on zones 1-8 and not just on zones 2,6,7.  
Roland would
> have never responsed in this honorable fashion. These guys at 
Yamaha are the
> best when it comes to responding the end user questions and issue. 
A million
> praises to Yamaha!!!!! Martin indicated that they will be mailing 
me the
> update ROM chips as soon as they are available. Yippie...Yippie... 
> 
> Oh, sorry, Stewart, I just got little carried away. The Yamaha 
emailed
> popped up in the middle of reading your response. Now back to your 
question.
> Yes the pad and rim will trigger on the PCY's on any of the zones 
1-8.
> Choking will only function on zones 2, 6,7....for now. But 
actually all you
> really need to do is move the PCY65 (mono) to zone 4 since it does 
not have
> rim trigger anyway and put the new PCY65S on zone 7 (crash) and 
you will get
> pad, rim and choking!!!! You will need to change pad trigger types 
to the
> correct type also. You can still move the tom3 to 9/10 as planned.
> 
> OldGuyDrummer.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	moosetication [SMTP:moosetication@y...]
> > Sent:	Monday, May 19, 2003 11:27 AM
> > To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: DTXpressII on eBay...
> > 
> > --- OldGuyDrummer wrote:
> > > "Hey, OldGuy... you could go from death to the
> > > grave all in one..."
> > 
> > [chuckle]
> > 
> > > ... the cymbal choking issues with the DtxpressII
> > > on zones 1,3,4,5,6 (or the lack there of)...
> > 
> > I presume the rim sound is still available with a cymbal on the 
> > stereo inputs, even if the choke is not there? 'Cos I've been 
> > thinking of moving tom 3 to join its brother tom 4 on 9/10, and 
using 
> > the tom 3 input for a stero cymbal. At least I'd then get three 
> > stereos on the kit, even if only two were chokeable.
> > 
> > And getting hold of them in the UK is a pain... everywhere is 
quoting 
> > me 8 weeks. Might have a look around when I'm in NYC this week.
> > 
> > Stewart
> > 
> > 
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--- OldGuy wrote:
> I just recieved a email from Martin at Yamaha support.
> They are in the process of acquiring an updated ROM
> chip for the DTXPRESSII module that will allow for
> choking on zones 1-8 and not just on zones 2,6,7.

Outstanding! Well done to Yamaha, and congratulations on your 
persistence! Do let me know how a transatlantic cousin might get on 
the list for the new ROMs.

> Choking will only function on zones 2, 6,7....for now. But
> actually all you really need to do is move the PCY65 (mono)
> to zone 4...

In the short term, yes. But I'd like to dump the mono pad altogether 
and have all stereos. I'm greedy for more cymbal sounds...

Stewart

Be careful...it can be addictive...I have eight cymbals, five bells, three
hihats, seven toms, two snares, two bass and a partridge in a pear tree and
everytime I set down in front of my kit,  I think "if I scoot this over a
little, shift this up a little, I think I can squeeze one more.....in here
and one more in there....stop while you can...........nooooooooooooooo.

OldGuyDrummer

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	moosetication [SMTP:moosetication@...]
> Sent:	Monday, May 19, 2003 2:17 PM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	[DTXpress] Re: DTXpressII on eBay...
> 
> --- OldGuy wrote:
> > I just recieved a email from Martin at Yamaha support.
> > They are in the process of acquiring an updated ROM
> > chip for the DTXPRESSII module that will allow for
> > choking on zones 1-8 and not just on zones 2,6,7.
> 
> Outstanding! Well done to Yamaha, and congratulations on your 
> persistence! Do let me know how a transatlantic cousin might get on 
> the list for the new ROMs.
> 
> > Choking will only function on zones 2, 6,7....for now. But
> > actually all you really need to do is move the PCY65 (mono)
> > to zone 4...
> 
> In the short term, yes. But I'd like to dump the mono pad altogether 
> and have all stereos. I'm greedy for more cymbal sounds...
> 
> Stewart
> 
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--- OldGuy wrote:
> Be careful...it can be addictive...

I'm sure it is. But I have a huge family holiday to Canada coming up 
(and with five "adults" in the family, we ain't talking cheap) and 
we have to pay for it soon. Putting that at risk would leave me with 
insufficient limbs to drum anyway. Kinda focuses the mind...

> I think "if I scoot this over a
> little, shift this up a little..."

It's funny you should mention that. I got a dose of tweak-itis at 
the weekend. A simultaneously useful and frustrating aspect of the e-
drum game is how easy it is to tweak the layout. After all, they're 
not heavy or hard to release. Back in the bad old days (before even 
racks were commonplace) tweaking the setup was decidedly hard work. 
Loosening a tom mount could end up with it falling and damaging your 
bass drum, and dropping an 18" ride on your foot was never much fun. 
But after a couple of hours of tweaking my e-drum layout (and inch 
here, and inch there), and deciding it wasn't quite as good as I 
thought it would be... I couldn't remember *exactly* where the damn 
things were in the first place.

Newbies, be warned... when you have a layout you're initially happy 
with, either write it down or take pictures before you too end up 
(as Freddie Mercury once put it) going slightly mad...

Stewart

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, "moosetication" 
<moosetication@y...> wrote:
> --- OldGuy wrote:
> > Be careful...it can be addictive...
> 
> I'm sure it is. But I have a huge family holiday to Canada coming 
up 
> (and with five "adults" in the family, we ain't talking cheap) and 
> we have to pay for it soon. Putting that at risk would leave me 
with 
> insufficient limbs to drum anyway. Kinda focuses the mind...
> 
> > I think "if I scoot this over a
> > little, shift this up a little..."
> 
> It's funny you should mention that. I got a dose of tweak-itis at 
> the weekend. A simultaneously useful and frustrating aspect of the 
e-
> drum game is how easy it is to tweak the layout. After all, 
they're 
> not heavy or hard to release. Back in the bad old days (before 
even 
> racks were commonplace) tweaking the setup was decidedly hard 
work. 
> Loosening a tom mount could end up with it falling and damaging 
your 
> bass drum, and dropping an 18" ride on your foot was never much 
fun. 
> But after a couple of hours of tweaking my e-drum layout (and inch 
> here, and inch there), and deciding it wasn't quite as good as I 
> thought it would be... I couldn't remember *exactly* where the 
damn 
> things were in the first place.
> 
> Newbies, be warned... when you have a layout you're initially 
happy 
> with, either write it down or take pictures before you too end up 
> (as Freddie Mercury once put it) going slightly mad...
> 
> Stewart



              Stewart.


                         I know exactly what U mean,I bought an 
extra tom I was constantly moving things around for two days I was 
not happy with the positioning,once I moved it I was getting cross 
talk from other pads,it can be a headache but if you are willing to 
persevere and take the time to MAKE it right,then its well worth 
it,I have also added a Roland SPD-6,which gave off some bad 
crosstalk,but thats all sorted now.And soon I`m gonna add another 
Cymbal and thats my FINAL upgrade on the kit.......UNLESS!!!!!!


                     Russell Butterfield

All I can say is THANK YOU JESUS!!!  I was wondering
if a chip could be upgraded, after all, you could
upgrade the Midi Kiti according to the KAT Midi Kiti
manual.  This is GREAT NEWS!!!
I WONDER if this chip will have more available
drum...specifically cymbal/hi hat sounds?
Jade
--- moosetication <moosetication@...> wrote:
> --- OldGuy wrote:
> > I just recieved a email from Martin at Yamaha
> support.
> > They are in the process of acquiring an updated
> ROM
> > chip for the DTXPRESSII module that will allow for
> > choking on zones 1-8 and not just on zones 2,6,7.
> 
> Outstanding! Well done to Yamaha, and
> congratulations on your 
> persistence! Do let me know how a transatlantic
> cousin might get on 
> the list for the new ROMs.
> 
> > Choking will only function on zones 2, 6,7....for
> now. But
> > actually all you really need to do is move the
> PCY65 (mono)
> > to zone 4...
> 
> In the short term, yes. But I'd like to dump the
> mono pad altogether 
> and have all stereos. I'm greedy for more cymbal
> sounds...
> 
> Stewart
> 
> 
> 


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Jade,

My impression is that it is only intended to "correct" the choking issue and
they would not be upgrading anything else. At this point I was told they
would be sending me the updated chip(s). They did not indicate in any of the
email correspondences with me that it would be an upgrade for all that have
been sold. Since most people will not upgrade there kits to the extreme to
which I have and thus would not really need it. They also did not give me a
time table as when I should expect to receive the updated chips. So it could
be days,weeks or months??? It will be interesting to see when the updated
chips make their way into the production chain and start showing up in the
new DTXPRESSII kits. (Hopefully before I do anymore upgrading.) But it is
interesting that they refer to it as an "update ROM chip", as oppose to a,
updated software patch for the ROM chip. If it could be update through a
software upload to through the HOST or MIDI Port, then it would seem that
adding/updating voices could also be easily possible. But since it is a
chip...(unless somebody has access to eprom chip burner and can reverse
engineer the ROM chip)...we will be left with what comes with the module.
But what else would you expect, this is the least expensive e-drum out they,
so you certainly can't expect it to perform like a DTXreme module or the
Roland Td-10/tdw-1 that cost four times as much.  

I just think that it is really impressive to see their quick response to
this issue, considering that the e-drum portion of their business probably
represents less than 1/1000 of one percent of YAMAHA's total product line
when you look at their total market of musical instruments, home audio,
computer products, motor corporation division and automation divisions.

OldGuyDrummer

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Jade [SMTP:jadiebooshkie@...]
> Sent:	Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:05 PM
> To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> Subject:	Re: [DTXpress] Re: DTXpressII on eBay...
> 
> All I can say is THANK YOU JESUS!!!   I was wondering
> if a chip could be upgraded, after all, you could
> upgrade the Midi Kiti according to the KAT Midi Kiti
> manual.   This is GREAT NEWS!!!
> I WONDER if this chip will have more available
> drum...specifically cymbal/hi hat sounds?
> Jade
> --- moosetication <moosetication@...> wrote:
> > --- OldGuy wrote:
> > > I just recieved a email from Martin at Yamaha
> > support.
> > > They are in the process of acquiring an updated
> > ROM
> > > chip for the DTXPRESSII module that will allow for
> > > choking on zones 1-8 and not just on zones 2,6,7.
> > 
> > Outstanding! Well done to Yamaha, and
> > congratulations on your 
> > persistence! Do let me know how a transatlantic
> > cousin might get on 
> > the list for the new ROMs.
> > 
> > > Choking will only function on zones 2, 6,7....for
> > now. But
> > > actually all you really need to do is move the
> > PCY65 (mono)
> > > to zone 4...
> > 
> > In the short term, yes. But I'd like to dump the
> > mono pad altogether 
> > and have all stereos. I'm greedy for more cymbal
> > sounds...
> > 
> > Stewart
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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Hey Oldguy,
I too was impressed by Yamaha's Customer Service.  I
have been able to talk directly with Dave Ksycki-he's
head of sales, I think (he knows what's in the
warehouse) and Dave Jewell, who is head of marketing. 
I had the "upgrade bug" too, and didn't wanna invest
$400 in another DTXII module for my extra cymbals and
pads (I will be getting more pads in the future) so I
was directed to get either a MidiKiti or PM-16.  I
found a Midi Kiti, but I couldn't get drum voices to
sound-I got keyboard-even when BOTH modules were on Ch
10...MIDI Voices ( I wanted to take a ride cymbal
voice from the DTX and send it to the Kiti where I had
my ride plugged in to, and all I got was a honking
noise)...It was MIDI HELL...even the guys in the group
were stumped...we, as group thought there was a
problem w/the DTX module.  Other guys were beginning
to have the same problem as me, specifically with the
PM-16.  To make a LONG story short, I was referred to
Dave Jewell (via Dave Ksycki), Mr Jewell said he would
have their top MIDI DTX guru, Martin, call me.  If he
couldn't fix the problem I was having, then they
thought there could possibly be a flaw in the modules
(meaning ALL DTXII modules!!!!).  If that was the
case, Dave Jewell would contact the engineer of the
DTX module in Japan-he told me the man's name, but I
can't remember it.  Well, the very next day, Martin
called me, and we went thru all the MIDI set up...for
one thing I had 2 MIDI In/Out cords...I only needed 1,
and because the Midi Kiti and the DTX module were set
to Ch10, he walked me thru on how to troubleshoot MIDI
portions on the DTX module.  The next thing he had me
do was a Factory Reset...and guess what?....It fixed
the problem!  I was VERY impressed with Yamaha's
Customer Support, and yes, the DO know and watch our
forum...we have clout.  WHAT other e-drum company
cares about their customers like Yamaha?  Roland is a
nightmare, if ya read their posts on vdrums.com
Needless to say, I ended up buying another DTXII
module.  It was too frustrating leaving the Midi Kiti
on all the time...if ya shut it off, you would have to
re-program it. The Midi Kiti is a great piece of
equipment...fun to work with, and
"train"...considering it was made in the 80's, it was
very far advanced technically.  That is how I know a
chip can upgrade a module.  In the Kiti manual it
shows how to install and upgrade the Kiti.
I am trying to sell the Midi Kiti-so if ya know of
anyone who wants to expand their kit-point them my
way.  I am anxiously waiting for the NEW DT Extreme
module, I may be selling my new DTXII modules.
Before I forget....I LOVE your kit-totally awesome!!
Sorry so long winded!
Jade
--- rdamon@... wrote:
> Jade,
> 
> My impression is that it is only intended to
> "correct" the choking issue and
> they would not be upgrading anything else. At this
> point I was told they
> would be sending me the updated chip(s). They did
> not indicate in any of the
> email correspondences with me that it would be an
> upgrade for all that have
> been sold. Since most people will not upgrade there
> kits to the extreme to
> which I have and thus would not really need it. They
> also did not give me a
> time table as when I should expect to receive the
> updated chips. So it could
> be days,weeks or months??? It will be interesting to
> see when the updated
> chips make their way into the production chain and
> start showing up in the
> new DTXPRESSII kits. (Hopefully before I do anymore
> upgrading.) But it is
> interesting that they refer to it as an "update ROM
> chip", as oppose to a,
> updated software patch for the ROM chip. If it could
> be update through a
> software upload to through the HOST or MIDI Port,
> then it would seem that
> adding/updating voices could also be easily
> possible. But since it is a
> chip...(unless somebody has access to eprom chip
> burner and can reverse
> engineer the ROM chip)...we will be left with what
> comes with the module.
> But what else would you expect, this is the least
> expensive e-drum out they,
> so you certainly can't expect it to perform like a
> DTXreme module or the
> Roland Td-10/tdw-1 that cost four times as much.  
> 
> I just think that it is really impressive to see
> their quick response to
> this issue, considering that the e-drum portion of
> their business probably
> represents less than 1/1000 of one percent of
> YAMAHA's total product line
> when you look at their total market of musical
> instruments, home audio,
> computer products, motor corporation division and
> automation divisions.
> 
> OldGuyDrummer
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Jade [SMTP:jadiebooshkie@...]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:05 PM
> > To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject:	Re: [DTXpress] Re: DTXpressII on eBay...
> > 
> > All I can say is THANK YOU JESUS!!!   I was
> wondering
> > if a chip could be upgraded, after all, you could
> > upgrade the Midi Kiti according to the KAT Midi
> Kiti
> > manual.   This is GREAT NEWS!!!
> > I WONDER if this chip will have more available
> > drum...specifically cymbal/hi hat sounds?
> > Jade
> > --- moosetication <moosetication@...> wrote:
> > > --- OldGuy wrote:
> > > > I just recieved a email from Martin at Yamaha
> > > support.
> > > > They are in the process of acquiring an
> updated
> > > ROM
> > > > chip for the DTXPRESSII module that will allow
> for
> > > > choking on zones 1-8 and not just on zones
> 2,6,7.
> > > 
> > > Outstanding! Well done to Yamaha, and
> > > congratulations on your 
> > > persistence! Do let me know how a transatlantic
> > > cousin might get on 
> > > the list for the new ROMs.
> > > 
> > > > Choking will only function on zones 2,
> 6,7....for
> > > now. But
> > > > actually all you really need to do is move the
> > > PCY65 (mono)
> > > > to zone 4...
> > > 
> > > In the short term, yes. But I'd like to dump the
> > > mono pad altogether 
> > > and have all stereos. I'm greedy for more cymbal
> > > sounds...
> > > 
> > > Stewart
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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Jade,

One thing that may have been lost in all our posts about the 
midiKITI is that you don't have to leave it on all the time or lose 
your settings. You just have to save them. as you would with the 
Yamaha. I leave mine connected all the time because at my age, I 
don't like bending down to plug it in. Besides, I like the flashing 
lights in Midi Note mode.

Ed

--- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Jade <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey Oldguy,
> I too was impressed by Yamaha's Customer Service.  I
> have been able to talk directly with Dave Ksycki-he's
> head of sales, I think (he knows what's in the
> warehouse) and Dave Jewell, who is head of marketing. 
> I had the "upgrade bug" too, and didn't wanna invest
> $400 in another DTXII module for my extra cymbals and
> pads (I will be getting more pads in the future) so I
> was directed to get either a MidiKiti or PM-16.  I
> found a Midi Kiti, but I couldn't get drum voices to
> sound-I got keyboard-even when BOTH modules were on Ch
> 10...MIDI Voices ( I wanted to take a ride cymbal
> voice from the DTX and send it to the Kiti where I had
> my ride plugged in to, and all I got was a honking
> noise)...It was MIDI HELL...even the guys in the group
> were stumped...we, as group thought there was a
> problem w/the DTX module.  Other guys were beginning
> to have the same problem as me, specifically with the
> PM-16.  To make a LONG story short, I was referred to
> Dave Jewell (via Dave Ksycki), Mr Jewell said he would
> have their top MIDI DTX guru, Martin, call me.  If he
> couldn't fix the problem I was having, then they
> thought there could possibly be a flaw in the modules
> (meaning ALL DTXII modules!!!!).  If that was the
> case, Dave Jewell would contact the engineer of the
> DTX module in Japan-he told me the man's name, but I
> can't remember it.  Well, the very next day, Martin
> called me, and we went thru all the MIDI set up...for
> one thing I had 2 MIDI In/Out cords...I only needed 1,
> and because the Midi Kiti and the DTX module were set
> to Ch10, he walked me thru on how to troubleshoot MIDI
> portions on the DTX module.  The next thing he had me
> do was a Factory Reset...and guess what?....It fixed
> the problem!  I was VERY impressed with Yamaha's
> Customer Support, and yes, the DO know and watch our
> forum...we have clout.  WHAT other e-drum company
> cares about their customers like Yamaha?  Roland is a
> nightmare, if ya read their posts on vdrums.com
> Needless to say, I ended up buying another DTXII
> module.  It was too frustrating leaving the Midi Kiti
> on all the time...if ya shut it off, you would have to
> re-program it. The Midi Kiti is a great piece of
> equipment...fun to work with, and
> "train"...considering it was made in the 80's, it was
> very far advanced technically.  That is how I know a
> chip can upgrade a module.  In the Kiti manual it
> shows how to install and upgrade the Kiti.
> I am trying to sell the Midi Kiti-so if ya know of
> anyone who wants to expand their kit-point them my
> way.  I am anxiously waiting for the NEW DT Extreme
> module, I may be selling my new DTXII modules.
> Before I forget....I LOVE your kit-totally awesome!!
> Sorry so long winded!
> Jade
> --- rdamon@m... wrote:
> > Jade,
> > 
> > My impression is that it is only intended to
> > "correct" the choking issue and
> > they would not be upgrading anything else. At this
> > point I was told they
> > would be sending me the updated chip(s). They did
> > not indicate in any of the
> > email correspondences with me that it would be an
> > upgrade for all that have
> > been sold. Since most people will not upgrade there
> > kits to the extreme to
> > which I have and thus would not really need it. They
> > also did not give me a
> > time table as when I should expect to receive the
> > updated chips. So it could
> > be days,weeks or months??? It will be interesting to
> > see when the updated
> > chips make their way into the production chain and
> > start showing up in the
> > new DTXPRESSII kits. (Hopefully before I do anymore
> > upgrading.) But it is
> > interesting that they refer to it as an "update ROM
> > chip", as oppose to a,
> > updated software patch for the ROM chip. If it could
> > be update through a
> > software upload to through the HOST or MIDI Port,
> > then it would seem that
> > adding/updating voices could also be easily
> > possible. But since it is a
> > chip...(unless somebody has access to eprom chip
> > burner and can reverse
> > engineer the ROM chip)...we will be left with what
> > comes with the module.
> > But what else would you expect, this is the least
> > expensive e-drum out they,
> > so you certainly can't expect it to perform like a
> > DTXreme module or the
> > Roland Td-10/tdw-1 that cost four times as much.  
> > 
> > I just think that it is really impressive to see
> > their quick response to
> > this issue, considering that the e-drum portion of
> > their business probably
> > represents less than 1/1000 of one percent of
> > YAMAHA's total product line
> > when you look at their total market of musical
> > instruments, home audio,
> > computer products, motor corporation division and
> > automation divisions.
> > 
> > OldGuyDrummer
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Jade [SMTP:jadiebooshkie@y...]
> > > Sent:	Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:05 PM
> > > To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject:	Re: [DTXpress] Re: DTXpressII on eBay...
> > > 
> > > All I can say is THANK YOU JESUS!!!   I was
> > wondering
> > > if a chip could be upgraded, after all, you could
> > > upgrade the Midi Kiti according to the KAT Midi
> > Kiti
> > > manual.   This is GREAT NEWS!!!
> > > I WONDER if this chip will have more available
> > > drum...specifically cymbal/hi hat sounds?
> > > Jade
> > > --- moosetication <moosetication@y...> wrote:
> > > > --- OldGuy wrote:
> > > > > I just recieved a email from Martin at Yamaha
> > > > support.
> > > > > They are in the process of acquiring an
> > updated
> > > > ROM
> > > > > chip for the DTXPRESSII module that will allow
> > for
> > > > > choking on zones 1-8 and not just on zones
> > 2,6,7.
> > > > 
> > > > Outstanding! Well done to Yamaha, and
> > > > congratulations on your 
> > > > persistence! Do let me know how a transatlantic
> > > > cousin might get on 
> > > > the list for the new ROMs.
> > > > 
> > > > > Choking will only function on zones 2,
> > 6,7....for
> > > > now. But
> > > > > actually all you really need to do is move the
> > > > PCY65 (mono)
> > > > > to zone 4...
> > > > 
> > > > In the short term, yes. But I'd like to dump the
> > > > mono pad altogether 
> > > > and have all stereos. I'm greedy for more cymbal
> > > > sounds...
> > > > 
> > > > Stewart
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
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Maybe I wasn't saving the kits right...oh well....I
sent Walt an email as I have been concerned for his
lack of participation in the forum...hope every think
is alright with him.  Haven't heard from him
yet...sent it out yesterday (Tues).
Jade
--- liberatusvirus <liberatusvirus@...> wrote:
> Jade,
> 
> One thing that may have been lost in all our posts
> about the 
> midiKITI is that you don't have to leave it on all
> the time or lose 
> your settings. You just have to save them. as you
> would with the 
> Yamaha. I leave mine connected all the time because
> at my age, I 
> don't like bending down to plug it in. Besides, I
> like the flashing 
> lights in Midi Note mode.
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DTXpress@yahoogroups.com, Jade
> <jadiebooshkie@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Hey Oldguy,
> > I too was impressed by Yamaha's Customer Service. 
> I
> > have been able to talk directly with Dave
> Ksycki-he's
> > head of sales, I think (he knows what's in the
> > warehouse) and Dave Jewell, who is head of
> marketing. 
> > I had the "upgrade bug" too, and didn't wanna
> invest
> > $400 in another DTXII module for my extra cymbals
> and
> > pads (I will be getting more pads in the future)
> so I
> > was directed to get either a MidiKiti or PM-16.  I
> > found a Midi Kiti, but I couldn't get drum voices
> to
> > sound-I got keyboard-even when BOTH modules were
> on Ch
> > 10...MIDI Voices ( I wanted to take a ride cymbal
> > voice from the DTX and send it to the Kiti where I
> had
> > my ride plugged in to, and all I got was a honking
> > noise)...It was MIDI HELL...even the guys in the
> group
> > were stumped...we, as group thought there was a
> > problem w/the DTX module.  Other guys were
> beginning
> > to have the same problem as me, specifically with
> the
> > PM-16.  To make a LONG story short, I was referred
> to
> > Dave Jewell (via Dave Ksycki), Mr Jewell said he
> would
> > have their top MIDI DTX guru, Martin, call me.  If
> he
> > couldn't fix the problem I was having, then they
> > thought there could possibly be a flaw in the
> modules
> > (meaning ALL DTXII modules!!!!).  If that was the
> > case, Dave Jewell would contact the engineer of
> the
> > DTX module in Japan-he told me the man's name, but
> I
> > can't remember it.  Well, the very next day,
> Martin
> > called me, and we went thru all the MIDI set
> up...for
> > one thing I had 2 MIDI In/Out cords...I only
> needed 1,
> > and because the Midi Kiti and the DTX module were
> set
> > to Ch10, he walked me thru on how to troubleshoot
> MIDI
> > portions on the DTX module.  The next thing he had
> me
> > do was a Factory Reset...and guess what?....It
> fixed
> > the problem!  I was VERY impressed with Yamaha's
> > Customer Support, and yes, the DO know and watch
> our
> > forum...we have clout.  WHAT other e-drum company
> > cares about their customers like Yamaha?  Roland
> is a
> > nightmare, if ya read their posts on vdrums.com
> > Needless to say, I ended up buying another DTXII
> > module.  It was too frustrating leaving the Midi
> Kiti
> > on all the time...if ya shut it off, you would
> have to
> > re-program it. The Midi Kiti is a great piece of
> > equipment...fun to work with, and
> > "train"...considering it was made in the 80's, it
> was
> > very far advanced technically.  That is how I know
> a
> > chip can upgrade a module.  In the Kiti manual it
> > shows how to install and upgrade the Kiti.
> > I am trying to sell the Midi Kiti-so if ya know of
> > anyone who wants to expand their kit-point them my
> > way.  I am anxiously waiting for the NEW DT
> Extreme
> > module, I may be selling my new DTXII modules.
> > Before I forget....I LOVE your kit-totally
> awesome!!
> > Sorry so long winded!
> > Jade
> > --- rdamon@m... wrote:
> > > Jade,
> > > 
> > > My impression is that it is only intended to
> > > "correct" the choking issue and
> > > they would not be upgrading anything else. At
> this
> > > point I was told they
> > > would be sending me the updated chip(s). They
> did
> > > not indicate in any of the
> > > email correspondences with me that it would be
> an
> > > upgrade for all that have
> > > been sold. Since most people will not upgrade
> there
> > > kits to the extreme to
> > > which I have and thus would not really need it.
> They
> > > also did not give me a
> > > time table as when I should expect to receive
> the
> > > updated chips. So it could
> > > be days,weeks or months??? It will be
> interesting to
> > > see when the updated
> > > chips make their way into the production chain
> and
> > > start showing up in the
> > > new DTXPRESSII kits. (Hopefully before I do
> anymore
> > > upgrading.) But it is
> > > interesting that they refer to it as an "update
> ROM
> > > chip", as oppose to a,
> > > updated software patch for the ROM chip. If it
> could
> > > be update through a
> > > software upload to through the HOST or MIDI
> Port,
> > > then it would seem that
> > > adding/updating voices could also be easily
> > > possible. But since it is a
> > > chip...(unless somebody has access to eprom chip
> > > burner and can reverse
> > > engineer the ROM chip)...we will be left with
> what
> > > comes with the module.
> > > But what else would you expect, this is the
> least
> > > expensive e-drum out they,
> > > so you certainly can't expect it to perform like
> a
> > > DTXreme module or the
> > > Roland Td-10/tdw-1 that cost four times as much.
>  
> > > 
> > > I just think that it is really impressive to see
> > > their quick response to
> > > this issue, considering that the e-drum portion
> of
> > > their business probably
> > > represents less than 1/1000 of one percent of
> > > YAMAHA's total product line
> > > when you look at their total market of musical
> > > instruments, home audio,
> > > computer products, motor corporation division
> and
> > > automation divisions.
> > > 
> > > OldGuyDrummer
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:	Jade [SMTP:jadiebooshkie@y...]
> > > > Sent:	Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:05 PM
> > > > To:	DTXpress@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject:	Re: [DTXpress] Re: DTXpressII on
> eBay...
> > > > 
> > > > All I can say is THANK YOU JESUS!!!   I was
> > > wondering
> > > > if a chip could be upgraded, after all, you
> could
> > > > upgrade the Midi Kiti according to the KAT
> Midi
> > > Kiti
> > > > manual.   This is GREAT NEWS!!!
> > > > I WONDER if this chip will have more available
> > > > drum...specifically cymbal/hi hat sounds?
> > > > Jade
> > > > --- moosetication <moosetication@y...> wrote:
> > > > > --- OldGuy wrote:
> > > > > > I just recieved a email from Martin at
> Yamaha
> 
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