Re: [Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-07 by Ernst Dinkla
... We still use HPR. There has been the yellowing but it was an obvious case of air pollution indoors, a thing that happend about ten years ago and since then
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Re: AaI fade testing Round robbin testing
2009-12-07 by Mark
... I d be willing to coordinate a round robbin test of a select group of papers with all three of the OEM B&W print drivers (Epson ABW, HP Vivera BW, and
Re: yellowing and discoloration
2009-12-07 by Mark
... I tend to agree with this assessment. The severe discoloration problem has been witnessed and reported on HPR the most, but that anecdotal experience can
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-07 by Mark Savoia
Ditto Mark http://www.stillrivereditions.com
[Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-07 by john
I believe you, I just have looked for problems and never found any here. I was trying to find bw data on Wilhem s site but Hahnemuhe and Canson only paid for
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-07 by Walker Blackwell
John, although there hasn t been any study on it, I really think it s a pollution issue. I think there is something in the air in Chicago that kills HPR 308.
[Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-07 by john
Well hell, I ve used Photorag continuously for 12 years and I haven t experienced any of the issues you guys are talking about. It has always been a sure thing
[Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-07 by tboleyyh
... right now I m trying to move my HPR customers to Canson Rag Photographique 310, or Premiere Art Generations Fine Art Alise. The Canson gets the slight
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-07 by Walker Blackwell
Ok everybody. Here is what I would suggest. Mark needs about 25 new members/test. To me, this is a very steep business curve (not that I m an expert only
Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-07 by tboleyyh
... This has to be stressed over and over. All you have to do is go through the results, and see the differences between the various high end fine art papers
[Digital BW] Re: AaI&A Fade Tests-thanks to Paul
2009-12-07 by Mark
... Right, which is why I* color is broken out from I* tone. I* color tracks hue and chroma retention while I* tone scores lightness and contrast retention.
[Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by john
I had no idea you could do that with the tables either. Duh. The website is more sophisticated than us viewers. Before we get too deep into the various drivers
[Digital BW] Re: AaI testing - Documentation
2009-12-06 by Mark
Hi Paul, Normally, I d say let s discuss off-line. Email me and also always feel free to call me. However, for others reading this thread and who may be
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by Mark Savoia
I feel better now. Homebrew beer tonight, mmmmmmmmmmm Mark http://www.stillrivereditions.com
[Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by tboleyyh
... Savoia, Boley here... my dirty little secret is that Mark actually showed me how to do that.. in person... I didn t have a clue.... mmmmmmm....
Re: [Digital BW] Re: AaI&A Fade Tests-thanks to Paul
2009-12-06 by Walker Blackwell
What I m really interested in is how ABW prints might shift color between different papers/printer combos vs MIS and Piezography inks as they fade under light.
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by Mark Savoia
Tyler, Mark here, lets just call me Savoia for now. OK, this is going to sound insane, but for all the times I have looked at the info on their website I never
[Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by paulmwhiting
Hello again, Mark, Glad to see the high activity in this thread, looks like we re all on to something very important. You ll recall you invited me to submit
[Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by tboleyyh
Mark(1?), I have spent some time with Mark(2?) s info, very interested at first, then taken over by a lazy ADD type of attitude that never lets me complete his
[Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by Mark
Mark, Your point is very well taken, and I ve been giving it serious thought lately as to how to improve the AaI&A experience for members who aren t and
[Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by Mark
... By all means. Looking forward to having both Conecolor K3 and K3 vivid samples in test. HN photo Rag seems to the the universal favorite and many samples
Re: CIS or carts for 1400...
2009-12-06 by kwalsh74
... It appears that the Artisan 50 uses the same type 78 carts as the R280 and that the exact same refillable carts can be used with it. Most all the Epson
Re: AaI&A Fade Tests-thanks to Paul
2009-12-06 by Mark
Yes, Paul, thanks for getting this discussion started. It has now helped to make a potentially valuable connection for both AaI&A and Frames Destination. Mark
[Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by john
Yea, I kind of agree with that Mark. He has talked about possibly having some kind of question/answer blog up there as well, when members keep asking the same
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by Mark Savoia
Mark, Might I make a suggestion. I know we are all very technical and scientific on this e-group and you are very technical and scientific about your testing,
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by Walker Blackwell
Good work Mark. I became a paying member today. Hopefully everyone here will do the same. I would be very interested in seeing data for the Cone Color K3 ink
[Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by pr_roark
... I agree it s not a solid, 100% result. While I tried to eliminate as many variables as possible by only comparing results from the same test session,
Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by mrgs1001
Paul, thank your very much for starting this thread. I founded my company to help people frame digital prints so needless to say this topic is of concern to me
Re: [Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by Ernst Dinkla
... Intrigues me but too many variables: It can be an accidental difference between batches. It can be the result of the changed weight relation between inkjet
Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by john
I have been in touch the last six months with Mark s efforts and hard work in this area of inkjet longevity testing and have contributed many print samples
Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by Mark
... I see that I m answering a little out of order, but that s OK. The Eboni 3MK is a very impressive system. It would be good to test this inkset with other
[Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by Mark
... Thanks you, Gary, Paul, and others in this group who have just joined the AaI&A digital print research program. BTW, I managed to get all of my new test
Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by pr_roark
... The 205 weight is the Premier Imaging version of Epson Premier Art Scrapbook paper. Epson s website relating to the paper claims it is its most archival
RE: [Digital BW] Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by Gary
Mark, I also just joined! Thanks for your work and participating in this online group. Gary Wagner www.garywagner.com From:
Re: [Digital BW] CIS or carts for 1400...
2009-12-06 by Sam McCandless
... Epson has, I believe, replaced the 280, at least in the U.S., with the Artisan 50 at $130, currently less a $20 rebate:
Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-06 by Mark
... Yes, indeed it is. Mark
Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-05 by paulmwhiting
... Yes, PremierArt Fine Art has no OBA s but they also make a PremierArt Bright White which does contain OBA s. I like the bright white but again for archival
Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-05 by Mark
... Thanks so much for joining the AaI&A digital print research program. Please consider submitting a test sample of the R1800/Eboni 3MK on your PremierArt
Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-05 by paulmwhiting
Mark, I posted a message a few minutes ago saying I would sign up Monday. Well, I just did it via PayPal, didn t need to wait till then! I want to underline
Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-05 by Mark
... Oh boy, Tyler, you issued an invitation of sorts? Here s my story in a nutshell. I have been doing image permanence research for over 20 years. I love
Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-05 by paulmwhiting
Mark, Will your Eboni 3MK tests include several kinds of paper? As I noted above, I m using PremierArt Fine Art Paper Matt. They describe it as a rag paper
Re: Epson 1400 & Inks
2009-12-05 by badger346
My Epson 1400 has now been delivered. Just awaiting the MIS UT-14 inks and cartidges. What I didn t order is a Bottom Fill Adapter . I have just read on the
Re: [Digital BW] CIS or carts for 1400...
2009-12-05 by James Irelan
My experience with Jon s CIS for the 1400 has been pretty bad, bad enough to make me initially think badly of the printer, which there is probably nothing
Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-05 by Mark
... Hi Roger, i sent Paul an advance copy of the Eboni 3MK test results a few days ago since he s was so instrumental in developing this process. I was so
Re: [Digital BW] CIS or carts for 1400...
2009-12-05 by R.Ternbach
My experience with Jon cone s inks with Harrington s QTR has been more recent than yours and has been very positive but I would like to try MIS inks and Paul
Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-05 by tboleyyh
... Paul, Mark at Aardenburg develop methods Wilhelm has endorsed, in fact they worked together. A close look at the methods of both (a mind numbing endevour)
Re: [Digital BW] CIS or carts for 1400...
2009-12-05 by edward wiseman
My experience with their older inks was totally negative..My archival prints began to turn a sick greenish color. ( I m going back about 5 years ago and
Re: Aardenburg Imaging Fade Tests
2009-12-05 by Roger
I m a paid up Aardenburg member and am looking at the Light Fade Tests results page but don t see the R1800 with Eboni 3MK listed. I don t see cause for
Re: [Digital BW] CIS or carts for 1400...
2009-12-05 by R.Ternbach
Anyone have experience with Jon cone s CIS with Special Edition inks for the 1400? I m about to try this and was wondering what people think. Best to all,
Re: [Digital BW] CIS or carts for 1400...
2009-12-05 by edward wiseman
I have lost 3 1280 s, and 2 1160 s to CIS systems..I now do refills on 2 1400 s..One for color, and one for B&W..It s painless ....No More no-more-carts for