Digital BW, The Print

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso Silver Rag


You could spray the sheet to protect it and stop the smudging.

Like this stuff:  http://www.inksupply.com/product-details.cfm?pn=P-SHIELD


-- 
Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Tom Garrett <tgar2@...> wrote:

>
>
> Mike,
> Thanks for your reply. As a result, I just rubbed the corner of the test
> print and you are absolutely right on!
> The ink easily smudges. Oh well, so much for that idea. Anyone know of a
> matte paper with similar qualities?
> I like Red River Aurora White and DMax is not bad but doesn't quite, it
> seems to me anyway, have the feeling or look
> of depth.
> Tom Garrett
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Richard Sintchak 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 10:19 PM
  Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso Silver Rag


    
  I know of no matte papers similar to Museo Silver Rag.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 9, 2010, at 6:10 PM, "Tom Garrett" <tgar2@suddenlink.net> wrote:

  > Richard, Thanks for the suggestion and the link. I may give that a try if I 
  > don't find a matte paper that offers similar attributes. There are
  > sooo many out there that surely there is one that is similar to the Mueso 
  > Silver Rag. Heck; I can't really afford to buy it anyway!!
  > Appreciate your response.
  > Tom Garrett
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@...>
  > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
  > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:24 PM
  > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso Silver Rag
  > 
  > You could spray the sheet to protect it and stop the smudging.
  > 
  > Like this stuff: http://www.inksupply.com/product-details.cfm?pn=P-SHIELD
  > 
  > -- 
  > Richard S.
  > Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
  > 
  > My Photography Website
  > http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
  > 
  > My Flickr River
  > http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
  > 
  > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Tom Garrett <tgar2@suddenlink.net> wrote:
  > 
  > >
  > >
  > > Mike,
  > > Thanks for your reply. As a result, I just rubbed the corner of the test
  > > print and you are absolutely right on!
  > > The ink easily smudges. Oh well, so much for that idea. Anyone know of a
  > > matte paper with similar qualities?
  > > I like Red River Aurora White and DMax is not bad but doesn't quite, it
  > > seems to me anyway, have the feeling or look
  > > of depth.
  > > Tom Garrett
  > >
  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > 
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  > 
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>
> Thanks
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Richard Sintchak 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 10:19 PM
>   Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso Silver Rag
> 
> 
>     
>   I know of no matte papers similar to Museo Silver Rag.
> 
>   Sent from my iPhone
> 
>   On Jul 9, 2010, at 6:10 PM, "Tom Garrett" <tgar2@...> wrote:
> 
>   > Richard, Thanks for the suggestion and the link. I may give that a try if I 
>   > don't find a matte paper that offers similar attributes. There are
>   > sooo many out there that surely there is one that is similar to the Mueso 
>   > Silver Rag. Heck; I can't really afford to buy it anyway!!
>   > Appreciate your response.
>   > Tom Garrett
>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > From: "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@...>
>   > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>   > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:24 PM
>   > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso Silver Rag
>   > 
>   > You could spray the sheet to protect it and stop the smudging.
>   > 
>   > Like this stuff: http://www.inksupply.com/product-details.cfm?pn=P-SHIELD
>   > 
>   > -- 
>   > Richard S.
>   > Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
>   > 
>   > My Photography Website
>   > http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
>   > 
>   > My Flickr River
>   > http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
>   > 
>   > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Tom Garrett <tgar2@...> wrote:
>   > 
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Mike,
>   > > Thanks for your reply. As a result, I just rubbed the corner of the test
>   > > print and you are absolutely right on!
>   > > The ink easily smudges. Oh well, so much for that idea. Anyone know of a
>   > > matte paper with similar qualities?
>   > > I like Red River Aurora White and DMax is not bad but doesn't quite, it
>   > > seems to me anyway, have the feeling or look
>   > > of depth.
>   > > Tom Garrett
>   > >
>   > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > 
>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   > 
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: tboleyyh 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso Silver Rag


    
  Can you describe what you want from the paper? That you've asked for matte makes any suggestion already distinctly dissimilar from Silver Rag. We could make some good suggestions if you describe what attributes you are after... 
  Tyler

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Garrett" <tgar2@...> wrote:
  >
  > Thanks
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Richard Sintchak 
  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 10:19 PM
  > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso Silver Rag
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > I know of no matte papers similar to Museo Silver Rag.
  > 
  > Sent from my iPhone
  > 
  > On Jul 9, 2010, at 6:10 PM, "Tom Garrett" <tgar2@...> wrote:
  > 
  > > Richard, Thanks for the suggestion and the link. I may give that a try if I 
  > > don't find a matte paper that offers similar attributes. There are
  > > sooo many out there that surely there is one that is similar to the Mueso 
  > > Silver Rag. Heck; I can't really afford to buy it anyway!!
  > > Appreciate your response.
  > > Tom Garrett
  > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > From: "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@...>
  > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
  > > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:24 PM
  > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso Silver Rag
  > > 
  > > You could spray the sheet to protect it and stop the smudging.
  > > 
  > > Like this stuff: http://www.inksupply.com/product-details.cfm?pn=P-SHIELD
  > > 
  > > -- 
  > > Richard S.
  > > Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
  > > 
  > > My Photography Website
  > > http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
  > > 
  > > My Flickr River
  > > http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
  > > 
  > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Tom Garrett <tgar2@...> wrote:
  > > 
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > Mike,
  > > > Thanks for your reply. As a result, I just rubbed the corner of the test
  > > > print and you are absolutely right on!
  > > > The ink easily smudges. Oh well, so much for that idea. Anyone know of a
  > > > matte paper with similar qualities?
  > > > I like Red River Aurora White and DMax is not bad but doesn't quite, it
  > > > seems to me anyway, have the feeling or look
  > > > of depth.
  > > > Tom Garrett
  > > >
  > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > 
  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  > > 
  > > ------------------------------------
  > > 
  > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as 
  > > they are often being updated.
  > > 
  > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
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  > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT 
  > > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND 
  > > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU 
  > > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY 
  > > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, 
  > > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND 
  > > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE 
  > > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY 
  > > TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR 
  > > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY 
  > > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER 
  > > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
  > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: tboleyyh 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso Silver Rag


    
  Can you describe what you want from the paper? That you've asked for matte makes any suggestion already distinctly dissimilar from Silver Rag. We could make some good suggestions if you describe what attributes you are after... 
  Tyler

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Garrett" <tgar2@...> wrote:
  >
  > Thanks
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: Richard Sintchak 
  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 10:19 PM
  > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso Silver Rag
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > I know of no matte papers similar to Museo Silver Rag.
  > 
  > Sent from my iPhone
  > 
  > On Jul 9, 2010, at 6:10 PM, "Tom Garrett" <tgar2@...> wrote:
  > 
  > > Richard, Thanks for the suggestion and the link. I may give that a try if I 
  > > don't find a matte paper that offers similar attributes. There are
  > > sooo many out there that surely there is one that is similar to the Mueso 
  > > Silver Rag. Heck; I can't really afford to buy it anyway!!
  > > Appreciate your response.
  > > Tom Garrett
  > > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > > From: "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@...>
  > > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
  > > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:24 PM
  > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso Silver Rag
  > > 
  > > You could spray the sheet to protect it and stop the smudging.
  > > 
  > > Like this stuff: http://www.inksupply.com/product-details.cfm?pn=P-SHIELD
  > > 
  > > -- 
  > > Richard S.
  > > Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
  > > 
  > > My Photography Website
  > > http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
  > > 
  > > My Flickr River
  > > http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
  > > 
  > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Tom Garrett <tgar2@...> wrote:
  > > 
  > > >
  > > >
  > > > Mike,
  > > > Thanks for your reply. As a result, I just rubbed the corner of the test
  > > > print and you are absolutely right on!
  > > > The ink easily smudges. Oh well, so much for that idea. Anyone know of a
  > > > matte paper with similar qualities?
  > > > I like Red River Aurora White and DMax is not bad but doesn't quite, it
  > > > seems to me anyway, have the feeling or look
  > > > of depth.
  > > > Tom Garrett
  > > >
  > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  > > >
  > > >
  > > >
  > > 
  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  > > 
  > > ------------------------------------
  > > 
  > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as 
  > > they are often being updated.
  > > 
  > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
  > > 
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  > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same 
  > > page.
  > > 
  > > Please follow these basic guidelines:
  > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep 
  > > them short.
  > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. 
  > > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the 
  > > membership without notice.
  > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W 
  > > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from 
  > > the membership.
  > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and 
  > > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and 
  > > Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section:
  > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
  > > 
  > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT 
  > > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND 
  > > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU 
  > > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY 
  > > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, 
  > > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND 
  > > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE 
  > > POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY 
  > > TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR 
  > > ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY 
  > > THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER 
  > > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
  > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso Silver Rag


Try Generations Elise Fine Art Natural or the new Epson Hot Press Natural.
I love the results I get from my 1400 with the Eboni-6 set.  Not Museo
Silver Rag look but very nice.

Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/


On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Tom Garrett <tgar2@...> wrote:

>
>
> Also, Tyler, I very much like the Eboni 6 ink set and have my Epson 1400
> dedicated to that and it requires matte paper.
> A couple of Red River papers (Aurora White & Premium Matte) are
> satisfactory except that they don't quite have the appearance of greater
> depth.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tboleyyh
> To: 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso Silver Rag
>
> Can you describe what you want from the paper? That you've asked for matte
> makes any suggestion already distinctly dissimilar from Silver Rag. We 
> could
> make some good suggestions if you describe what attributes you are 
> after...
> Tyler
>
> --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Tom Garrett" <tgar2@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Richard Sintchak
> > To: 
> > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 10:19 PM
> > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso 
> > Silver
> Rag
> >
> >
> >
> > I know of no matte papers similar to Museo Silver Rag.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jul 9, 2010, at 6:10 PM, "Tom Garrett" <tgar2@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Richard, Thanks for the suggestion and the link. I may give that a try
> if I
> > > don't find a matte paper that offers similar attributes. There are
> > > sooo many out there that surely there is one that is similar to the
> Mueso
> > > Silver Rag. Heck; I can't really afford to buy it anyway!!
> > > Appreciate your response.
> > > Tom Garrett
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@...>
> > > To: 
> > > <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:24 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso Silver Rag
> > >
> > > You could spray the sheet to protect it and stop the smudging.
> > >
> > > Like this stuff:
> http://www.inksupply.com/product-details.cfm?pn=P-SHIELD
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard S.
> > > Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
> > >
> > > My Photography Website
> > > http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
> > >
> > > My Flickr River
> > > http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Tom Garrett <tgar2@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > > Thanks for your reply. As a result, I just rubbed the corner of the
> test
> > > > print and you are absolutely right on!
> > > > The ink easily smudges. Oh well, so much for that idea. Anyone know
> of a
> > > > matte paper with similar qualities?
> > > > I like Red River Aurora White and DMax is not bad but doesn't quite,
> it
> > > > seems to me anyway, have the feeling or look
> > > > of depth.
> > > > Tom Garrett
> > > >
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso Silver Rag


Try Generations Elise Fine Art Natural or the new Epson Hot Press Natural.
I love the results I get from my 1400 with the Eboni-6 set.  Not Museo
Silver Rag look but very nice.

Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/


On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Tom Garrett <tgar2@...> wrote:

>
>
> Also, Tyler, I very much like the Eboni 6 ink set and have my Epson 1400
> dedicated to that and it requires matte paper.
> A couple of Red River papers (Aurora White & Premium Matte) are
> satisfactory except that they don't quite have the appearance of greater
> depth.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tboleyyh
> To: 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso Silver Rag
>
> Can you describe what you want from the paper? That you've asked for matte
> makes any suggestion already distinctly dissimilar from Silver Rag. We 
> could
> make some good suggestions if you describe what attributes you are 
> after...
> Tyler
>
> --- In 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Tom Garrett" <tgar2@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Richard Sintchak
> > To: 
> > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 10:19 PM
> > Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso 
> > Silver
> Rag
> >
> >
> >
> > I know of no matte papers similar to Museo Silver Rag.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jul 9, 2010, at 6:10 PM, "Tom Garrett" <tgar2@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Richard, Thanks for the suggestion and the link. I may give that a try
> if I
> > > don't find a matte paper that offers similar attributes. There are
> > > sooo many out there that surely there is one that is similar to the
> Mueso
> > > Silver Rag. Heck; I can't really afford to buy it anyway!!
> > > Appreciate your response.
> > > Tom Garrett
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@...>
> > > To: 
> > > <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:24 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Eboni 6 ink with Mueso Silver Rag
> > >
> > > You could spray the sheet to protect it and stop the smudging.
> > >
> > > Like this stuff:
> http://www.inksupply.com/product-details.cfm?pn=P-SHIELD
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard S.
> > > Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
> > >
> > > My Photography Website
> > > http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
> > >
> > > My Flickr River
> > > http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Tom Garrett <tgar2@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > > Thanks for your reply. As a result, I just rubbed the corner of the
> test
> > > > print and you are absolutely right on!
> > > > The ink easily smudges. Oh well, so much for that idea. Anyone know
> of a
> > > > matte paper with similar qualities?
> > > > I like Red River Aurora White and DMax is not bad but doesn't quite,
> it
> > > > seems to me anyway, have the feeling or look
> > > > of depth.
> > > > Tom Garrett
> > > >
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From: "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:57 PM
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Converting an Epson 2000P to B&W??

> With Epson 1400 printers available from Epson as refurbs for $149 dealing
> with modifying the 2000P is hardly worth it IMO.  I mean 7 picoliters for
> the 2000P vs. 1.5 for the 1400?
>
>
> Richard S.
> Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
>
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>
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>
>
> On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:23 PM, John K Stacy 
> <John_K_Stacy@...>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone converted an Epson Stylus Photo 2000P printer to B&W??
>>
>> Is it just a matter of installing a black inkset??
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> John S.
>>
>>
>>
>
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John K Stacy 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 7:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Converting an Epson 2000P to B&W??


    
  That may be true, but I HAVE the 2000P, and wouldn't I then have to modify 
  the 1400 anyway??

  (Picoliters = droplet size???)

  John S.

  --------------------------------------------------
  From: "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@...>
  Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:57 PM
  To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Converting an Epson 2000P to B&W??

  > With Epson 1400 printers available from Epson as refurbs for $149 dealing
  > with modifying the 2000P is hardly worth it IMO. I mean 7 picoliters for
  > the 2000P vs. 1.5 for the 1400?
  >
  >
  > Richard S.
  > Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
  >
  > My Photography Website
  > http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
  >
  > My Flickr River
  > http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
  >
  >
  > On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:23 PM, John K Stacy 
  > <John_K_Stacy@...>wrote:
  >
  >>
  >>
  >> Has anyone converted an Epson Stylus Photo 2000P printer to B&W??
  >>
  >> Is it just a matter of installing a black inkset??
  >>
  >> TIA,
  >>
  >> John S.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >
  >
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From: edward wiseman 
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:28 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Converting an Epson 2000P to B&W??


  
John..

There is NO NEED to modify the 1400..all you need do is get a set of empty auto-resetting chipped cartridges, and bulk ink for refilling..MY source is http://www.inksupply.com ..look for the "UT14" workflow from Paul Roark on their site in the B&W section..Once you get into it, it's pretty much plug and play..The 1400 is a GREAT machine in comparison to your 2000..I wouldn't put my efforts into a machine that no one is supporting anymore..

Good Luck!

Eddie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: John K Stacy 
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Converting an Epson 2000P to B&W??

That may be true, but I HAVE the 2000P, and wouldn't I then have to modify 
the 1400 anyway??

(Picoliters = droplet size???)

John S.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:57 PM
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Converting an Epson 2000P to B&W??

> With Epson 1400 printers available from Epson as refurbs for $149 dealing
> with modifying the 2000P is hardly worth it IMO. I mean 7 picoliters for
> the 2000P vs. 1.5 for the 1400?
>
>
> Richard S.
> Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
>
> My Photography Website
> http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
>
> My Flickr River
> http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:23 PM, John K Stacy 
> <John_K_Stacy@...>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone converted an Epson Stylus Photo 2000P printer to B&W??
>>
>> Is it just a matter of installing a black inkset??
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> John S.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From: mike-theprint@... 
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 7:36 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Converting an Epson 2000P to B&W??


  
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 06:53:56PM -0500, John K Stacy wrote:
> Ok, but do I just put black ink in all 6 cartridges?? (the 1400 does
> use 6 colors, right??)

Yes, it is a six-color printer, and the only change to the printer is
installing new cartridges. But your workflow will probably change and
might become quite complex: There are several B&W-only inksets for the
1400, with different characteristics (e.g. UT14 can be used on glossy or
matte papers, but Eboni-6 on glossy must be treated after printing) and
which one is best for you will depend on a number of factors: glossy vs
matte paper, desired print tone, tolerance for learning new software,
etc.

There have been quite a few threads regarding the various B&W options
for the 1400, so you should probably search the group archives for more
information. It can be tough to assemble all the information into a
coherent idea of how you go from capture to print - e.g. Paul's UT14.pdf
is more a description for the experienced than it is a tutorial for the
beginner - but the information's out there and many people have
succeeded.

-- 
| Mike Acar | | mike at waspfactory dot org |




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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John K Stacy 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Converting an Epson 2000P to B&W??


    
  Ok, but do I just put black ink in all 6 cartridges?? (the 1400 does use 6 colors, right??)

  John S.

  From: edward wiseman 
  Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:28 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Converting an Epson 2000P to B&W??

  John..

  There is NO NEED to modify the 1400..all you need do is get a set of empty auto-resetting chipped cartridges, and bulk ink for refilling..MY source is http://www.inksupply.com ..look for the "UT14" workflow from Paul Roark on their site in the B&W section..Once you get into it, it's pretty much plug and play..The 1400 is a GREAT machine in comparison to your 2000..I wouldn't put my efforts into a machine that no one is supporting anymore..

  Good Luck!

  Eddie
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John K Stacy 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 7:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Converting an Epson 2000P to B&W??

  That may be true, but I HAVE the 2000P, and wouldn't I then have to modify 
  the 1400 anyway??

  (Picoliters = droplet size???)

  John S.

  --------------------------------------------------
  From: "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@...>
  Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:57 PM
  To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Converting an Epson 2000P to B&W??

  > With Epson 1400 printers available from Epson as refurbs for $149 dealing
  > with modifying the 2000P is hardly worth it IMO. I mean 7 picoliters for
  > the 2000P vs. 1.5 for the 1400?
  >
  >
  > Richard S.
  > Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
  >
  > My Photography Website
  > http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
  >
  > My Flickr River
  > http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
  >
  >
  > On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:23 PM, John K Stacy 
  > <John_K_Stacy@...>wrote:
  >
  >>
  >>
  >> Has anyone converted an Epson Stylus Photo 2000P printer to B&W??
  >>
  >> Is it just a matter of installing a black inkset??
  >>
  >> TIA,
  >>
  >> John S.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >
  >
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From: Paul 
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 12:49 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Converting an Epson 2000P to B&W??


  
"John K Stacy" <John_K_Stacy@...> wrote:
>
> ... I already have the 2000P, ... don't want to buy another printer.
> 

FWIW, Eboni/Carbon-6 should run fine on the 2000P.

Paul
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From: Paul 
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 12:49 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>  
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Converting an Epson 2000P to B&W??

"John K Stacy" <John_K_Stacy@...> wrote:
>
> ... I already have the 2000P, ... don't want to buy another printer.
> 

FWIW, Eboni/Carbon-6 should run fine on the 2000P.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

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From: Steve Woolfenden 
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 11:34 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Converting an Epson 2000P to B&W??


  
Let us know how you get on John - I'm sorta in the same boat , stuck with a
2000P..
Steve


Ok, thx Paul. I just downloaded your Information and Settings for the 2000P
last nite. Now all I have to do is get some carts and give it a try.

John S.

From: Paul 
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 12:49 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Converting an Epson 2000P to B&W??

"John K Stacy" <John_K_Stacy@...> wrote:
>
> ... I already have the 2000P, ... don't want to buy another printer.
> 

FWIW, Eboni/Carbon-6 should run fine on the 2000P.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

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From: "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 1:49 PM
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Converting an Epson 2000P to B&W??

> Just my opinion of course but before I spend almost $100 for a cart and 
> ink
> set for a 7 picoliter OLD printer I'd consider the overall cost if in the
> end I do not like it and decide to go with a newer printer.
>
> Just how old is that 2000P and how long do you expect it to last?
>
> Paul, care to comment on your opinion on 7-picoliter printer vs a 1.5 one
> with eboni inks these days?
>
> Richard S.
> Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
>
> My Photography Website
> http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
>
> My Flickr River
> http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Paul <roark.paul@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "John K Stacy" <John_K_Stacy@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ok, thx Paul. I just downloaded your Information and Settings for the
>> 2000P last nite. Now all I have to do is get some carts and give it a 
>> try.
>>
>> Typically the Epson driver set to "Color Controls" and gamma 2.2 works 
>> best
>> as a starting point. I always use the highest quality settings -- the 
>> best
>> matte paper they have listed ("Archival Matte" probably), with High Speed
>> off/un-checked, and the resolution set to the highest.
>>
>> If you like a neutral image, Epson Hot Press natural is what I now 
>> consider
>> the best paper. Premier Art Smooth BW should give you an almost cool 
>> image,
>> though it does contain OBAs. So, those two papers are the ones I'd start
>> with for neutral-cool matte prints. Many papers will print a medium warm
>> image with the Eboni/Carbon-6 inks.
>>
>> While adjusting the gamma and other controls in the Epson driver may get
>> you close enough to the monitor's display of the image, I favor ICCs made
>> with QTR's Create ICC (Create ICC-RGB if you're using Lightroom) to 
>> perfect
>> the match between monitor and print.
>>
>> Paul
>> www.PaulRoark.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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From: Paul 
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 7:36 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Converting an Epson 2000P to B&W??


  
Hi Richard,

>...
> Paul, care to comment on your opinion on 7-picoliter printer 
> vs a 1.5 one with eboni inks these days?

Well, those big old 7 pl non-variable drops, lack of 2880 resolution, and slower printing speeds have their downside. No doubt about that. 

On the other hand, the 2000P I had for a while also produced the best dmax on some papers (1400 beats it on Arches uncoated HP), did not have the clogging issues of the 1280 (1400 is probably the best in this regard, however), and, most importantly, may be able to print *dilute* carbon inks more neutrally than any modern printer. 

The main reason I got rid of my 7500 was that it could not print as smoothly as I wanted on Arches uncoated watercolor paper. On coated papers like the Premier Art Smooth BW, the 7500 was able to print an incredibly neutral image. See page 7 of http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/Eboni-6.pdf

I got rid of the 7500 before I was able to test the differences in tone v. drop size on the new Epson Hot Press paper, but, in general, with dilute carbon inks the larger the drops, the less warm the image. 

Then again, with the 1400 and the 1.5 pl drops a black only is almost totally neutral on several papers, including the Epson HP. BO, however, requires a perfect printer to be smooth, and even then with only one dense ink firing the smooth areas may show some grain and un-evenness. A 2% Eboni dilution at 7 pl might make smoother prints.

So, bottom line, for some uses, particularly if the costs can be held down (read Carbon-6), the 2000P might well be worth testing.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 





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