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Color to BW: resources for learning how

Color to BW: resources for learning how

2014-12-04 by dannyraphael@...

My son teen age has shown an interest in learning how to craft BW prints. He uses Photoshop CC (through school) and the method taught in class is "desaturate."

If I wanted to get my son some further education on this topic, I'd appreciate recommendations and guidance in this regard for:

* Books (hard copy)

* Online classes

* ebooks

* website suggestions

* other

Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Wishing all of you a blessed holiday season.

Danny Raphael

Re: [Digital BW] Color to BW: resources for learning how

2014-12-04 by David Kachel

My son teen age has shown an interest in learning how to craft BW prints. He uses Photoshop CC (through school) and the method taught in class is "desaturate."

Not surprised. \u201cDesaturate\u201d was the \u201cgo to\u201d for quite a long time. It could not possibly be more incorrect.
I have a new blog where I addressed that problem at length just recently.
The address appears below.




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RE: [Digital BW] Color to BW: resources for learning how

2014-12-04 by Elliot Puritz

HI Danny:

 

Gosh….there are so many possible choices for further education.

 

One choice that is particularly relevant: On Lynda.com there are three or four short but excellent videos detailing "desaturate" and subsequent work flow in LR and Photoshop CC and earlier versions of PS ( but easily performed via the new CC updates ).  One can subscribe for a month or two, watch the relevant videos, and then let the membership lapse until other new teaching videos are added.  

 

However, are you sure that "desaturate" is the best course to take?  There are now better ways to proceed.

 

Elliot
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My son teen age has shown an interest in learning how to craft BW prints. He uses Photoshop CC (through school) and the method taught in class is "desaturate."

 

If I wanted to get my son some further education on this topic, I'd appreciate recommendations and guidance in this regard for:

* Books (hard copy)

* Online classes

* ebooks

* website suggestions

* other

 

Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Wishing all of you a blessed holiday season.

 

Danny Raphael

Re: [Digital BW] Color to BW: resources for learning how

2014-12-04 by Ernst Dinkla

Show him the channel mixer set on monochrome and how the channels influence the conversion. Each color image could ask for another color channels setting. Be aware that image editing on color definitions can enhance the B&W in the end what image editing on the B&W file might not achieve afterwards. The process to B&W can be done in RAW developer too.

Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst

Dinkla Grafische Techniek
Quad, piëzografie, giclée
www.pigment-print.com
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On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 4:05 PM, dannyraphael@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

My son teen age has shown an interest in learning how to craft BW prints. He uses Photoshop CC (through school) and the method taught in class is "desaturate."

If I wanted to get my son some further education on this topic, I'd appreciate recommendations and guidance in this regard for:

* Books (hard copy)

* Online classes

* ebooks

* website suggestions

* other

Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Wishing all of you a blessed holiday season.

Danny Raphael


Re: [Digital BW] Color to BW: resources for learning how

2014-12-04 by Jim Coffee

Good morning Danny...

I am one of the moderators of a Black and White Print Exchange Yahoo group. As many as 12 photographers exchange actual B/W prints each month.
The experience is two sided:
  • On the one hand you need to select and print something that you are willing to exchange. This is an interesting process that drives you to do your best.
  • And on the other hand, you are able to hold in your hands as many as 11 prints from other photographers. You are able to read about their workflow which details inksets, printers, papers, editors, etc.
We print on 8.5 X 11 papers. Photographers print 12 prints (of the same image) and mail the prints to the Print Exchange Coordinator. The Print Exchange Coordinator, once all prints have been received, repackages them and ships them back out to each contributing photographer (one each from all photographers go to each contributor).

While this may sound a bit intimidating I would suggest that this print exchange experience might be very good for your son. I know that it is good for me. The group was formed by Tom O'Connell in 2002. I've been exchanging since 2004. Your son (as is anyone reading this) is welcome.


With best regards
-Jim Coffee-
'one of the group moderators'

Useful links:
Black & White Print Exchange group
Black & White Participation grid
Black & White Print Exchange FAQ
Where to mail the prints.
Black & White Photo Albums
Color Print Exchange group

..."please don't text and drive"








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On 4 December 2014 at 07:05, dannyraphael@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <;DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

My son teen age has shown an interest in learning how to craft BW prints. He uses Photoshop CC (through school) and the method taught in class is "desaturate."

If I wanted to get my son some further education on this topic, I'd appreciate recommendations and guidance in this regard for:

* Books (hard copy)

* Online classes

* ebooks

* website suggestions

* other

Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Wishing all of you a blessed holiday season.

Danny Raphael


Re: [Digital BW] Color to BW: resources for learning how

2014-12-04 by Mark Savoia

I did not know about this and would like to participate. Is there someplace with details to follow?

Mark
www.stillrivereditions.com <http://www.stillrivereditions.com/>
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> On Dec 4, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Jim Coffee groups@jamescoffee.com [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Good morning Danny...
> 
> I am one of the moderators of a Black and White Print Exchange Yahoo group <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/DigitalBW-PrintExchanges/info>.  As many as 12 photographers exchange actual B/W prints each month.
> The experience is two sided:
> On the one hand you need to select and print something that you are willing to exchange.  This is an interesting process that drives you to do your best.
> And on the other hand, you are able to hold in your hands as many as 11 prints from other photographers. You are able to read about their workflow which details inksets, printers, papers, editors, etc.
> We print on 8.5 X 11 papers.  Photographers print 12 prints (of the same image) and mail the prints to the Print Exchange Coordinator.  The Print Exchange Coordinator, once all prints have been received, repackages them and ships them back out to each contributing photographer (one each from all photographers go to each contributor).
> 
> While this may sound a bit intimidating I would suggest that this print exchange experience might be very good for your son.  I know that it is good for me.  The group was formed by Tom O'Connell in 2002.  I've been exchanging since 2004.  Your son (as is anyone reading this) is welcome.
> 
> 
> With best regards
> -Jim Coffee-
> 'one of the group moderators'
> 
> Useful links:
> Black & White <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBW-PrintExchanges/> Print Exchange group
> Black & White Participation grid <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HXzyqjJ2-n1Qwfu7Y31xRxQgQ2f7loIslKMTOWCr6ZE/edit?usp=sharing>
> Black & White Print Exchange FAQ <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBW-PrintExchanges/database?method=reportRows&tbl=3>
> Where to mail the prints <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBW-PrintExchanges/files/Print%20Exchange%20Coordinator%20Addresses>.
> Black & White Photo Albums <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBW-PrintExchanges/photos/album/0/list>
> Color  <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalColor-PrintExchanges/>Print Exchange group
> 
> ..."please don't text and drive"
> 
> 
>

Re: [Digital BW] Color to BW: resources for learning how

2014-12-04 by Jim Coffee

Good morning Mark...

See in my signature please. Or click here to get to the group home page.


With best regards
-Jim Coffee-
'one of the group moderators'

Useful links:
Black & White Print Exchange group
Black & White Participation grid
Where to mail the prints.
Black & White Photo Albums
Color Print Exchange group

..."please don't text and drive"









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On 4 December 2014 at 07:54, Mark Savoia mark@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I did not know about this and would like to participate. Is there someplace with details to follow?


Mark

On Dec 4, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Jim Coffee groups@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Good morning Danny...

I am one of the moderators of a Black and White Print Exchange Yahoo group. As many as 12 photographers exchange actual B/W prints each month.
The experience is two sided:
  • On the one hand you need to select and print something that you are willing to exchange. This is an interesting process that drives you to do your best.
  • And on the other hand, you are able to hold in your hands as many as 11 prints from other photographers. You are able to read about their workflow which details inksets, printers, papers, editors, etc.
We print on 8.5 X 11 papers. Photographers print 12 prints (of the same image) and mail the prints to the Print Exchange Coordinator. The Print Exchange Coordinator, once all prints have been received, repackages them and ships them back out to each contributing photographer (one each from all photographers go to each contributor).

While this may sound a bit intimidating I would suggest that this print exchange experience might be very good for your son. I know that it is good for me. The group was formed by Tom O'Connell in 2002. I've been exchanging since 2004. Your son (as is anyone reading this) is welcome.


With best regards
-Jim Coffee-
'one of the group moderators'

Useful links:
Black & White Print Exchange group
Black & White Participation grid
Black & White Print Exchange FAQ
Where to mail the prints.
Black & White Photo Albums
Color Print Exchange group

..."please don't text and drive"





Re: Color to BW: resources for learning how

2014-12-05 by dannyraphael@...

The Lynda.com courses look promising as do Photoshop's Channel Mixer and BW adjustment layers.

Here's are book recommendations I received:

* Channel Chops written by David Bidney, Bert Monroy, and Nathan Moody. I found one on eBay.

* Oz to Kansas 2.0: The Black and White on Black and White Conversions, by Vincent Versace

I found several YouTube.com videos on this topic as well.

Thanks to all who replied.

Re: [Digital BW] Color to BW: resources for learning how

2014-12-06 by Nick Payne

My recommendation would be to have a look at Silver Efex Pro from 
Google's Nik Collection. Can be used either stand-alone or as a 
Photoshop/Lightroom plug-in: 
https://www.google.com/nikcollection/products/silver-efex-pro/


On 05/12/2014 02:05, dannyraphael@... 
[DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] wrote:
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> My son teen age has shown an interest in learning how to craft BW 
> prints. He uses Photoshop CC (through school) and the method taught in 
> class is "desaturate."
>
> If I wanted to get my son some further education on this topic, I'd 
> appreciate recommendations and guidance in this regard for:
>
> * Books (hard copy)
>
> * Online classes
>
> * ebooks
>
> * website suggestions
>
> * other
>
> Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Wishing all of you a blessed 
> holiday season.
>
> Danny Raphael
>
>

Re: [Digital BW] Color to BW: resources for learning how

2014-12-08 by Glenn Bloodworth

Nick


I recommend he obtain the book: The Complete Guide to Black & White Digital Photography, by Michael Freeman, Lark Books, New York/London. It is well written, easy to follow, coves all the B&W workflow aspects - from shooting to PS manipulation through to printing, including various PS approaches to B&W conversion [surprised the school focus on desaturation - “desaturate’ is a very, very, very basic technique and not a very good one], including the pros and cons of using Nik Silver Efex Pro, and PS black & white adjustment layers, etc.


Glenn
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> On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:20 PM, Nick Payne njhp94@... [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> My recommendation would be to have a look at Silver Efex Pro from Google's Nik Collection. Can be used either stand-alone or as a Photoshop/Lightroom plug-in:https://www.google.com/nikcollection/products/silver-efex-pro/ <https://www.google.com/nikcollection/products/silver-efex-pro/>
>
> On 05/12/2014 02:05, dannyraphael@... <mailto:dannyraphael@...> [DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint] wrote:
>>
>> My son teen age has shown an interest in learning how to craft BW prints. He uses Photoshop CC (through school) and the method taught in class is "desaturate."
>>
>>
>> If I wanted to get my son some further education on this topic, I'd appreciate recommendations and guidance in this regard for:
>>
>> * Books (hard copy)
>>
>> * Online classes
>>
>> * ebooks
>>
>> * website suggestions
>>
>> * other
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your suggestions. Wishing all of you a blessed holiday season.
>> 

>>
>> Danny Raphael
>>
>
>
>

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