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Blank nozzle checks

2002-07-14 by bmercertx

I had a clog in my 1160 that I could not clear but had to close the 
printer down for 2 months.  I'm using the old piezo inks with CIS.  
Now I'm back to work and can't get any pattern in the black position 
or in the cyan position when I do a nozzle check. The strange thing 
is I can see some air spaces in the ink line to the black cartridge. 
How would I clear that out?  Do not know how that happened. Since I 
can't get even one mark when I do the nozzle check, do I REALLY have 
a print head problem?  

Have any of you had to replace print heads?  What did it cost? 

I bought this set-up from someone else and I have gotten some nice 
prints from it. I'd like to get it back up and running.

Billie

Re: [Digital BW] Blank nozzle checks

2002-07-14 by Julian Thomas

Just having it done 120euros including labour.

Julian
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Subject: [Digital BW] Blank nozzle checks


> I had a clog in my 1160 that I could not clear but had to close the
> printer down for 2 months.  I'm using the old piezo inks with CIS.
> Now I'm back to work and can't get any pattern in the black position
> or in the cyan position when I do a nozzle check. The strange thing
> is I can see some air spaces in the ink line to the black cartridge.
> How would I clear that out?  Do not know how that happened. Since I
> can't get even one mark when I do the nozzle check, do I REALLY have
> a print head problem?
>
> Have any of you had to replace print heads?  What did it cost?
>
> I bought this set-up from someone else and I have gotten some nice
> prints from it. I'd like to get it back up and running.
>
> Billie
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Re: [Digital BW] Blank nozzle checks

2002-07-14 by BMercerTX@aol.com

I've tried cleaning the heads and printing the purge image...absolutely NO 
black.  I have put a drop of fantastic on the little tube that goes into the 
cartridge from the print head but haven't tried forcing anything thru.  

I'm going to doctor everything again tonight and see what happens in the AM.

Billie

Re: [Digital BW] Blank nozzle checks

2002-07-14 by Tim Spragens

> The strange thing 
> is I can see some air spaces in the ink line to the black cartridge. 
> How would I clear that out?

I sincerely doubt that a bubble in the line would cause problems, the 
syphoning will work regardless. Ink in the cart. will act as a 
damper, the problem is more likely in the head. Clean the bottoms of 
the heads, print the purge image, be patient.. if worse comes to 
worse, try pushing a cleaning agent through the head as a last 
resort.

Tim


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Re: [Digital BW] Blank nozzle checks

2002-07-15 by Julian Thomas

They doubles it when they saw the amount of windex swishing around inside
the printer! Still cheaper than a new one and this is/was a good 1160

Julian
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> 120 EUROS...
> not chicken feed but doable if it saves the printer.
> Billie
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RE: [Digital BW] Blank nozzle checks

2002-07-15 by Richard Wolfson

You may have dried out, hardened ink in your CIS lines. Try removing the
CIS cartridge and putting in a regular cartridge, or a cartridge of
cleaning solution. The problem may not be the print head at all.

If you get the head clear, you can replace the CIS tubes, or remove them
from both ends and clean them, but that's not easy.

Richard Wolfson
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: bmercertx [mailto:BMercerTX@...] 
> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 5:32 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Blank nozzle checks
> 
> 
> I had a clog in my 1160 that I could not clear but had to close the 
> printer down for 2 months.  I'm using the old piezo inks with CIS.  
> Now I'm back to work and can't get any pattern in the black position 
> or in the cyan position when I do a nozzle check. The strange thing 
> is I can see some air spaces in the ink line to the black cartridge. 
> How would I clear that out?  Do not know how that happened. Since I 
> can't get even one mark when I do the nozzle check, do I REALLY have 
> a print head problem?  
> 
> Have any of you had to replace print heads?  What did it cost? 
> 
> I bought this set-up from someone else and I have gotten some nice 
> prints from it. I'd like to get it back up and running.
> 
> Billie

Re: [Digital BW] Blank nozzle checks

2002-07-15 by jimhayes361

My own idea on this, having gone through lots of clogging and 
something very much like this on an 1160. I'm not going to claim it 
will positively fix things, as a disclaimer, but it is just what I 
tried with some sucess:

1) Toss the CIS completely. Keep the bottle rack. Toss the ink, 
tubing, and carts. You let it sit idle too long (based on the air in 
the k tubing fact) and espically the k ink has dried a bit and 
evaporated thru the tubing. And the hardware may be gummed up (like 
the carts). There are rescue techniques but I personally don't think 
they are worth it. You have a clogged CIS and a clogged printhead and 
you need to minimise the work if you're going to bring it back. It's 
easier to toss the CIS/ink IMO, but that's your descion based on $$.If 
all goes well in the next steps, replace it and try to print 
something, even a quick 30 second draft purge print on plain paper 
every few days, every day better. Two months way way too long.

Also examine the parking pad to see if it is dried out, globbed up 
with too much ink, etc. You can repeatedly irrigate it with a solution 
 to clear the dried ink (see #5 below) or even replace it but I don't 
know how to do the latter- someone else has tho.

2) Buy some NEW Epson name brand carts and put them in $$ :(. I find 
that cleaning carts do not (clean). I have never had sucess with them 
to clear clogs. Go to the MIS site and find all the purge patterns- 
the Piezo one will work fine at first, but later you will want to just 
print out a wide expanse of ONE color only- like cyan say, or black, 
whatever.

3) Run about 5 -7 purge patterns of all the colors together- MIS' four 
color purge or the piezo purge. Don't worry about a nozzle check or 
cleaning cycles. But if you don't get any ink at all in one of the 
colors, don't do more than maybe one purge pattern. The MIS pattern 
being seperate stripes, lets you see this easily.

4) Now run one or two cleaning cycles and you can start to check for 
nozzles maybe. But don't panic if it doesn't clear. And don't run more 
than two cycles. Keep the nozzle checks so you can see what is 
clearing and what isn't.

5) Put some stuff on the parking pad. I use 40%ethanol+60%distilled 
h2O. I use about 4 drops. I don't flood the pad. In this case, since 
the pad is healthy (we assume from #1 above) don't do it repeatedly, 
just about four drops once. Turn off, let sit overnight.

6) Repeat steps 3-5 next day.

7) Now start to focus in on the color that is giving the most trouble. 
Start printing the solid color MIS purge files a couple times. You 
might want to use Epson Heavyweight matte paper for this, maybe print 
at 1440 dpi. Watch for ink blobbing of other colors too during this- I 
sometimes find on my 1280 that a nozzle that doesn't print fully will 
sometimes cause ink to cough up on the page. I never really noticed 
this on my two 1160's but it could happen I guess.

8) The solid color purges are really intense on the printhead so if 
that doesn't do it, your options are to go to direct injection which I 
don't like to do, or, as suggested by others- send the head for 
replacement/cleaning. Don't remove head yourself as special software 
is needed to realign it. Here in the US, I asked three places that 
said they "repair" 1160's, and only one had the software.

Suggestion, maybe works, not tried fully yet myself, for long 
vacations: remove the CIS/3rd party ink cart(s), put EZ plugs in the 
bottom and install Epson carts. Run a few purges, get a good nozzle 
check and turn off. Have someone turn the printer on maybe once a week 
or two. Have fun and take lots of pictures.
Jim H.  


 







--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Richard Wolfson" 
<richard@r...> wrote:
> You may have dried out, hardened ink in your CIS lines. Try removing 
the
> CIS cartridge and putting in a regular cartridge, or a cartridge of
> cleaning solution. The problem may not be the print head at all.
> 
> If you get the head clear, you can replace the CIS tubes, or remove 
them
> from both ends and clean them, but that's not easy.
> 
> Richard Wolfson
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bmercertx [mailto:BMercerTX@a...] 
> > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 5:32 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Blank nozzle checks
> > 
> > 
> > I had a clog in my 1160 that I could not clear but had to close 
the 
> > printer down for 2 months.  I'm using the old piezo inks with CIS. 
 
> > Now I'm back to work and can't get any pattern in the black 
position 
> > or in the cyan position when I do a nozzle check. The strange 
thing 
> > is I can see some air spaces in the ink line to the black 
cartridge. 
> > How would I clear that out?  Do not know how that happened. Since 
I 
> > can't get even one mark when I do the nozzle check, do I REALLY 
have 
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> > a print head problem?  
> > 
> > Have any of you had to replace print heads?  What did it cost? 
> > 
> > I bought this set-up from someone else and I have gotten some nice 
> > prints from it. I'd like to get it back up and running.
> > 
> > Billie

Re: [Digital BW] Blank nozzle checks

2002-07-15 by BMercerTX@aol.com

Jim,
Thanks for the detailed reply.  I have printed it out and will give it a try. 
 I'd like to rescue this machine.  My problem is that I will only use this 
machine occasionally due to several factors and so I am hesitant about 
putting a CIS back into it.  I might be better off using the cartridgeswith 
the new piezo inks. Maybe the new piezo inks will not be as prone to 
clogging.  Has anyone used the piezo tone inks long enough to give their 
thoughts on this.

Billie

FYI - Piezotone Selenium Released Today

2002-07-15 by R Murai

From JC - Posted to the Pro24 list and - I'm sure - others.

rm

> Great news from Piezography Brand Software and Inks!!
> 
> The very long and awaited PiezoTone Selenium Tone inkset is officially
> released today - on time I might add! I am most excited about this inkset
> because its basis is close to my heart. My university professor was Arnold
> Gassan. Those who knew him and studied with him know that he was a most
> highly regarded practitioner of the darkroom arts. He is oft recognized as
> the person responsible for the chemistry involved in developing the zone
> system for Ansel Adams and Minor White. Shortly before he died, I asked
> Arnold to produce for me a fiber-based silver print which was selenium
> toned. Arnold choose the short-bath method resulting in a very typical look
> for selenium.
> 
> The PiezoTone Selenium Tone inkset replicates his process in a beautiful
> manner. This inkset, as all PiezoTone inksets are, does not use dye for
> color, but rather it uses pigment. PiezoTone inksets do not have the warming
> characteristics of previous quad inksets. They are designed to dry to their
> finished tone right out of the printer and to stay that way as long as
> possible.
> 
> Beta-users (and Piezography has the world's best beta-users who keep good to
> their promise of being silent and reporting back often to us!) have reported
> that these inks look
> 
> "quite close to my selenium toned Oriental and Kodak Fine Art silver prints"
> 
> "comes very close to the look of Selenium toned Ilford Galerie"
> 
> "looks like a selenium-toned darkroom print"
> 
> "silver print look in an inkjet print without the metamerism."
> 
> If you are not familiar with selenium toning, it is a traditional darkroom
> chemistry bath which is used to increase the archival nature of a print, but
> may be more often used for the beautiful tone it imparts on silver. Many
> photographers prefer the look of selenium because it is a cold neutral:
> neither warm nor cool. Many say that it is the perfect neutral tone for
> photography. Most exhibition quality prints are selenium toned for
> conservation purposes. If you've been to a photo museum lately, you will
> have seen selenium toning! If you are uncertain, samples are available of
> small prints from InkjetMall. Hopefully our other resellers will produce
> samples as well as the inks get into the dealer network.
> 
> The inks are priced the same as PiezoTone Warm Neutral inks.
> 
> If you are currently using PiezoTone cartridges, you just need to flush out
> the old ink prior to installing this ink. If you are a CIS user, we have CIS
> ink switching kits available. You will need to purchase a new CIS cartridge
> set as well as have to flush out your ink lines with water and install the
> new bottles of ink.
> 
> What's coming next for Piezography?
> 
> Late July / Early August:
> A really nice cool neutral inkset (PiezoTone Cool Neutral) is on its way and
> it is not too blue. The cool neutrals we've seen are not photographic
> looking enough for us. Remember we're a company of photographers! We're just
> as picky as you! We are trying to produce inksets and methodology which will
> bring the history of photography forward into the digital age.
> 
> And the new PiezoFlow Continuous Inking system which comes pre-filled and
> ready for action - no priming necessary.



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Re: [Digital BW] Blank nozzle checks

2002-07-16 by jimhayes361

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., BMercerTX@a... wrote:
> Jim,
> Thanks for the detailed reply.  I have printed it out and will give 
it a try. 
>  I'd like to rescue this machine.  My problem is that I will only 
use this 
> machine occasionally due to several factors and so I am hesitant 
about 
> putting a CIS back into it.  I might be better off using the 
cartridgeswith 
> the new piezo inks. Maybe the new piezo inks will not be as prone to 
> clogging.  Has anyone used the piezo tone inks long enough to give 
their 
> thoughts on this.
> 
> Billie

All I can say is the old Piezo is much more prone to clogging than MIS 
inks. Hopefully the new inks are better, but that's not my expertise 
right now.

The other comment about the CIS that's worth jotting down is that I 
had a clogged CIS AND printhead. I was able to clear the printhead 
using the Epson inks in a couple of days. But, when I re-installed the 
OLD CIS, the printhead went bad again too. So you can't win. That's 
why I suggested replacing the CIS, but it sounds like you may just not 
put another in. I remember that Piezo carts are a pretty expensive 
proposition though. Good luck in any event..
Jim H.

Re: [Digital BW] Blank nozzle checks

2002-07-16 by Jerry Olson

Hi Group,

I have some good news from media street for anyone thinking of getting
one of their CIS systems.  They have redesigned it, with the following
problems addressed:

No more tubes getting caught under the cartridges
Enclosed box for the ink bottles. 
The set comes pre filled, so you don't have to use any vacuum device...
Just screw it on and print.
and they offer the chip that never has to be reset. Turning off the
printer once in a while automatically resets it.

Norm has offered a $50 discount to anyone on the group, at $199.95 for
the complete system filled with generations inks for the 1280. I don't
know what the 1160 price is. 

Jerry

Media Street and No More Carts CIS (was Re: [Digital BW] Blank nozzle checks)

2002-07-16 by Sam A. McCandless

Looking for something else at NoMoreCarts.com, I saw a note about the 
other-than-NMC cis developments at Media Street. It would give me 
pause about buying from Media Street if I had a NMC CIS option. Which 
I guess we still do, shipping free, at InkJetArt.com. Maybe I'd feel 
differently if the tubes in either of my NMC CIS units had ever 
caught on my carts.

Sam McCandless              samcc@...
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>Hi Group,
>
>I have some good news from media street for anyone thinking of getting
>one of their CIS systems.  They have redesigned it, with the following
>problems addressed:
>
>No more tubes getting caught under the cartridges
>Enclosed box for the ink bottles.
>The set comes pre filled, so you don't have to use any vacuum device...
>Just screw it on and print.
>and they offer the chip that never has to be reset. Turning off the
>printer once in a while automatically resets it.
>
>Norm has offered a $50 discount to anyone on the group, at $199.95 for
>the complete system filled with generations inks for the 1280. I don't
>know what the 1160 price is.
>
>Jerry

Media Street and No More Carts CIS (was Re: [Digital BW] Blank nozzle checks)

2002-07-16 by gschern

The NoMoreCarts CIS's are also available at www.inkjetgoodies.com 
with free shipping, and beginning this week they have an exclusive 
bottle system which takes up less desk space, eliminates evaporation, 
and is extremely easy to prime - and they have an acrylic extension 
arm which won't sag and let the tubes get caught. We will be 
releasing more info on these new systems soon.

Gregory Schern
Inkjet Goodies - Photographic and Fine Art Inkjet Supplies
www.photoinkjet.com
www.inkjetgoodies.com
info@...
Order Toll Free 866 330-4514


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Sam A. McCandless" 
<samcc@v...> wrote:
> Looking for something else at NoMoreCarts.com, I saw a note about 
the 
> other-than-NMC cis developments at Media Street. It would give me 
> pause about buying from Media Street if I had a NMC CIS option. 
Which 
> I guess we still do, shipping free, at InkJetArt.com. Maybe I'd 
feel 
> differently if the tubes in either of my NMC CIS units had ever 
> caught on my carts.
> 
> Sam McCandless              samcc@v...
> 
> 
> >Hi Group,
> >
> >I have some good news from media street for anyone thinking of 
getting
> >one of their CIS systems.  They have redesigned it, with the 
following
> >problems addressed:
> >
> >No more tubes getting caught under the cartridges
> >Enclosed box for the ink bottles.
> >The set comes pre filled, so you don't have to use any vacuum 
device...
> >Just screw it on and print.
> >and they offer the chip that never has to be reset. Turning off the
> >printer once in a while automatically resets it.
> >
> >Norm has offered a $50 discount to anyone on the group, at $199.95 
for
> >the complete system filled with generations inks for the 1280. I 
don't
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> >know what the 1160 price is.
> >
> >Jerry

Blank nozzle checks

2002-07-19 by BMercerTX@aol.com

Jim Hayes,
Many thanks for your help.  All this week I have been soaking the 1160 print 
head and nothing was happening.  Today I was able to take off the CIS and put 
in Epson inks. On the second cleaning, I had good nozzle checks.  I've 
printed some color images and they look fine with no banding. Because of some 
things going on in my life, I don't want to put another CIS on the machine 
because it could sit idle for 3 or 4 months at a time. And that seems to be 
what caused the problem to begin with.  I am very hopeful that when I put in 
the piezo carts (new version) that I will not have banding problems or bad 
nozzle checks.

So I will order some Piezo carts. I need to print 13  10x10 prints so I 
assume that I will probably print 25 to 35 prints to get the 13.  I'm 
wondering if I need to order 2 sets. 

Again, many thanks. This is the first time I have had to get "inside" the 
1160 and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.  In fact I bought the 
set-up from someone else so I didn't even install the CIS. I'll be braver 
next time. 

Oh, one more thing.  There was a black gummy circle around the black 
position.  I used the fantastic and a paper towel to clean and wick up the 
gum.  

Billie---looking forward to some prints with the new Piezo inks.

Re: Blank nozzle checks

2002-07-19 by jimhayes361

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., BMercerTX@a... wrote:
> Jim Hayes,
> Many thanks for your help.

Sure- this stuff is painful, so I help when I have the knowledge, or 
think I have the knowledge<g>.

  All this week I have been soaking the 
1160 print 
> head and nothing was happening.

If you actually mean you detached the print head from the carriage as 
is a posted procedure on the MIS site (and I disagree with doing), you 
might want to have an Epson repair center (ie one with the special 
alignment software they won't sell me) do the two or three alignments 
to insure smooth printing. Some people get away without it, some seem 
to have problems.

If you mean putting a paper towel under printhead- that helps if the 
symptom is blobbing on the paper. Not really clogged nozzles as much.


  Today I was able to take off the 
CIS and put 
> in Epson inks. On the second cleaning, I had good nozzle checks.

Good you're lucky- the clogging happened mainly in the CIS and not the 
head then. Toss the CIS- and the ink if you can bear the $$ loss.
  
I've 
> printed some color images and they look fine with no banding.

You may find the Piezo driver is more demanding- but check it out. 
Sounds promising so far- but again, if you removed the printhead 
you'll need to watch for problems.
 
Because of some 
> things going on in my life, I don't want to put another CIS on the 
machine 
> because it could sit idle for 3 or 4 months at a time. And that 
seems to be 
> what caused the problem to begin with.  I am very hopeful that when 
I put in 
> the piezo carts (new version) that I will not have banding problems 
or bad 
> nozzle checks.
> 
> So I will order some Piezo carts.

Probably be okay.


I haven't tried the inks but I assume you can do your own filling if 
you want into MIS virgin carts . Just going by $$ numbers on 
inkjetmall and MIS site, if you fill your own, the cart set will cost 
about $53 as opposed to $80 filled by Cone. You have to buy the $260 
set of bottles up front though. I have a detailed set of instructions 
on how to fill your own carts using vacuum fill MIS method somewhere 
buried in files section of this group, in pdf format now. Filling your 
own isn't for everyone.<g>


 I need to print 13  10x10 prints 
so I 
> assume that I will probably print 25 to 35 prints to get the 13.  
I'm 
> wondering if I need to order 2 sets.

I don't know. Sounds doable  with one but it depends on lots of 
things- maybe how many cleaning cycles is a biggie.
 

 
> 
> Oh, one more thing.  There was a black gummy circle around the black 
> position.  I used the fantastic and a paper towel to clean and wick 
up the 
> gum.

Yes this happens a lot, esp with the CIS. It rides up after awhile and 
it is best to gently push the carts back down every so often. Using 
regular carts this is not as much a problem but when switching out 
carts some ink can still pool around the nipple. Cleaning as you did 
is fine.
Jim H.
  
> 
> Billie---looking forward to some prints with the new Piezo inks.

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