Digital BW, The Print

Hello

I'm interested to hear people's views on the relative merits of CRTs and
LCDs for photo work(b/w and colour). A browse of the web suggests that LCDs
are not quite there yet for exacting uses (limited gamut/viewing angles)
-unless you want to spend a lot of money.

The only person I know who uses an LCD for critical work, uses an Apple 23"
one that they bolt to the desk before I visit - I see its price has just
been reduced to $1999 :-))


bye for now   

Keith Cooper

Northlight Images
http://northlight-images.co.uk
Photography - Digital Imaging - Apple Mac Consultancy

Tel +44 (0)116 291 9092 Mobile +44 (0)780 162 9397

You may want to browse the colorsync list at apple. They are discussing 
the merits of LCD's right now, top of the list are the Apple cinema 
display which has been SWOP certified (using eye1 and ICS's remote 
director) and the Eizo LCD.
Carolyn

>
> I'm interested to hear people's views on the relative merits of CRTs 
> and
> LCDs for photo work(b/w and colour). A browse of the web suggests that 
> LCDs
> are not quite there yet for exacting uses (limited gamut/viewing 
> angles)
> -unless you want to spend a lot of money.
>
> The only person I know who uses an LCD for critical work, uses an 
> Apple 23"
> one that they bolt to the desk before I visit - I see its price has 
> just
> been reduced to $1999 :-))

I love my new LCD after 20 years of CRT's. Contrast and brightness are
far superior. Now I'm not at critical as some but I must spend 8 hours
a day looking at a monitor between work and home. Image matching works
fine with the LCD. (a $300 Samsung 15")

Another reason is real estate. The depth of a big CRT is just too much
for my desk at home. 

If you want big, the NEC salesman came by today with a new 30" LCD
monitor. I think retail is $3,495 if you're deep of pocket. 

BTW, if anyone knows anyone who has three 61" NEC plasmas, I need them
desparately for a job we are doing. NEC has none, distributors have
none. I'm hoping to find them somewhere. I already have the touch
panels for them and the rest of the system has been built. It's a F-16
pilot debriefing system using images from the nose mounted camera and
our customer is leaving for an extended overseas assignment in about
ten days. 

Bob Michaels

 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Keith Cooper
<yahoogroups@n...> wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I'm interested to hear people's views on the relative merits of CRTs and
> LCDs for photo work(b/w and colour). A browse of the web suggests
that LCDs
> are not quite there yet for exacting uses (limited gamut/viewing angles)
> -unless you want to spend a lot of money.
> 
> The only person I know who uses an LCD for critical work, uses an
Apple 23"

> one that they bolt to the desk before I visit - I see its price has just
> been reduced to $1999 :-))
> 
> 
> bye for now   
> 
> Keith Cooper
> 
> Northlight Images
> http://northlight-images.co.uk
> Photography - Digital Imaging - Apple Mac Consultancy
> 
> Tel +44 (0)116 291 9092 Mobile +44 (0)780 162 9397

On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 09:03  PM, Keith Cooper wrote:

> I'm interested to hear people's views on the relative merits of CRTs 
> and
> LCDs for photo work(b/w and colour). A browse of the web suggests that 
> LCDs
> are not quite there yet for exacting uses (limited gamut/viewing 
> angles)
> -unless you want to spend a lot of money.
>

I absolutely _love_ my Apple 23" HD Cinema Display, calibrated/profiled 
with Eye-One. I get more accurate color and soft-proofing with this 
display than I _ever_ did with the half-dozen "high-end" CRTs I used 
prior to this. I would never go back.

/eddie

>Hello
>
>I'm interested to hear people's views on the relative merits of CRTs and
>LCDs for photo work(b/w and colour). A browse of the web suggests that LCDs
>are not quite there yet for exacting uses (limited gamut/viewing angles)
>-unless you want to spend a lot of money.

Based on what I've seen on the lists, I think that's right, Keith, 
especially if you have an older Mac with which the newest Apple 
monitors won't play as naturally or as nicely. But I expect my next 
desktop will be portable and that a larger LCD will be sitting behind 
it when it's not out running around with my next SLR, which I assume 
will be a digital. And all of that seems close enough that I'm 
reluctant to buy anything else in the meantime, despite the fact that 
my CRT is starting to get tired.


>The only person I know who uses an LCD for critical work, uses an Apple 23"
>one that they bolt to the desk before I visit - I see its price has just
>been reduced to $1999 :-))

Would you rather have it for that or Apple's new 20" LCD for its 
$1299 list price? Does that choice depend on whether the screen of 
your portable to be will be big enough for all of your Photoshop 
palettes? I'm very eager to see how exactly Apple updates the 15" 
TiBook.

Sam

Sam McCandless    samcc@...

>bye for now
>
>Keith Cooper
>
>Northlight Images
>http://northlight-images.co.uk
>Photography - Digital Imaging - Apple Mac Consultancy
>
>Tel +44 (0)116 291 9092 Mobile +44 (0)780 162 9397

I have an apple 17 (same technology as the 23) and a lacie electron blue 22
right next to each other.  I use the apple for email and the lcd for photo
work.  No doubt the apple is a superior monitor for sharpness, brightness,
contrast, evenness...you name it...but it doesn't match my prints.  I have
both optical and  photocal with a spyder/LCD...simply can't get there.  I'm
about to get one of the apple 23's, however to replace the lacie because it
is dying...my guess is that I'm going to have to buy an eyeone to go with
it.  Anyone have any success with optical/photocal with the spyder on an
apple LCD?

Robert

 On 1/29/03 6:45 PM, "Eddie Gilbert" <lists@...> wrote:

> 
> On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 09:03  PM, Keith Cooper wrote:
> 
>> I'm interested to hear people's views on the relative merits of CRTs
>> and
>> LCDs for photo work(b/w and colour). A browse of the web suggests that
>> LCDs
>> are not quite there yet for exacting uses (limited gamut/viewing
>> angles)
>> -unless you want to spend a lot of money.
>> 
> 
> I absolutely _love_ my Apple 23" HD Cinema Display, calibrated/profiled
> with Eye-One. I get more accurate color and soft-proofing with this
> display than I _ever_ did with the half-dozen "high-end" CRTs I used
> prior to this. I would never go back.
> 
> /eddie
> 
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Robert, I'm ordering the Cinema display as well, the I1 with ICS 
software is the SWOP cert choice, but for a cheaper alternative I read 
a few posts from a fellow with ICS on the colorsync list that the 
Sequel Squid display calibrator is a great alternative, lower price 
etc. I personally don't need SWOP certification, just want a good 
calibration system.
Carolyn

> I have an apple 17 (same technology as the 23) and a lacie electron 
> blue 22
> right next to each other.  I use the apple for email and the lcd for 
> photo
> work.  No doubt the apple is a superior monitor for sharpness, 
> brightness,
> contrast, evenness...you name it...but it doesn't match my prints.  I 
> have
> both optical and  photocal with a spyder/LCD...simply can't get there. 
>  I'm
> about to get one of the apple 23's, however to replace the lacie 
> because it
> is dying...my guess is that I'm going to have to buy an eyeone to go 
> with
> it.  Anyone have any success with optical/photocal with the spyder on 
> an
> apple LCD?
>
> Robert

Keith,

I bought an NEC MultiSync 17" LCD1700M+ spring of 2002 for $699 less 
$50 rebate from Circuit City for use with a PC - I'm sure it is 
considerably cheaper now.  I LOVE it.  Ironically, space saving, not 
photography was why I purchased it to begin with.

I've calibrated it with the Pantone ColorVision Spyder and am 
reproducing the art work of others for extra income.  My customers 
are happy, I'm happy.  What more can I say?

Steve Tucker


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Keith Cooper 
<yahoogroups@n...> wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I'm interested to hear people's views on the relative merits of 
CRTs and
> LCDs for photo work(b/w and colour). A browse of the web suggests 
that LCDs
> are not quite there yet for exacting uses (limited gamut/viewing 
angles)
> -unless you want to spend a lot of money.
> 
> The only person I know who uses an LCD for critical work, uses an 
Apple 23"
> one that they bolt to the desk before I visit - I see its price 
has just

> been reduced to $1999 :-))
> 
> 
> bye for now   
> 
> Keith Cooper
> 
> Northlight Images
> http://northlight-images.co.uk
> Photography - Digital Imaging - Apple Mac Consultancy
> 
> Tel +44 (0)116 291 9092 Mobile +44 (0)780 162 9397