Digital BW, The Print

Hello all

I finally gave up with trying to print using the Epson 2100 and 
decided to go with the MIS variable mix quadtones inks. I purchased 
a new Epson 1160 and ordered the inks and a continuous flow system 
from inksupply.com in the states.  I fitted the CFS and followed the 
instructions supplied and what followed was like all my Christmases 
had come at once, beautiful black and white prints from an inkjet 
printer. 

For two days the printer worked fine but on the third day the yellow 
ink (vm-quad-4-y) refused to flow. I followed the trouble shooting 
guide and swapped the CFS for the original Epson cartridges, after a 
few cleaning cycles all was well. I then followed the second 
solution of pulled the ink through the cartridge using the blocked 
line procedure and refitted the CFS. After all this I still have my 
original problem. A few more details, all the tubes are full of ink, 
The inks pulled through the tubes with out a problem and when doing 
a nozzle check there is zero ink coming out of the yellow section.

Would anyone have come across this problem before or have any idea 
as to where the problem lies or even better a solution. I have 
emailed inksupply, com but the replies have been very slow in coming 
and I am yet to have an answers to my problem. All help very much 
appreciated – Bruce

Bruce McKean
allozzie@...
www.brucemckean.com
Australia

I'm experiencing almost the identical problem with my 1160 with the 
UT inkset. I already had the Eboni black ink installed and decided to 
go the whole route and install the other UT inks. After installing 
the CFS, the first two prints came out well. Then suddenly I was 
getting near zero nozzle checks on the "yellow" ink. Like you, I went 
through the whole routine with the Epson cartridge and the pulling 
the ink through the lines. There was some improvement, but then the 
problem came back. I think -- and I'd be interested in other people's 
opinions here --  that perhaps the best thing to do at this point is 
to just let the printer sit idle for a couple of days. If there is a 
problem with foam in the cart, then this may be the best way to deal 
with it, assuming you've tried to remove it first from the cart and 
you've run the Epson carts.

Chris Hargens


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "blokebam" 
<allozzie@b...> wrote:
> Hello all
> 
> I finally gave up with trying to print using the Epson 2100 and 
> decided to go with the MIS variable mix quadtones inks. I purchased 
> a new Epson 1160 and ordered the inks and a continuous flow system 
> from inksupply.com in the states.  I fitted the CFS and followed 
the 
> instructions supplied and what followed was like all my Christmases 
> had come at once, beautiful black and white prints from an inkjet 
> printer. 
> 
> For two days the printer worked fine but on the third day the 
yellow 
> ink (vm-quad-4-y) refused to flow. I followed the trouble shooting 
> guide and swapped the CFS for the original Epson cartridges, after 
a 
> few cleaning cycles all was well. I then followed the second 
> solution of pulled the ink through the cartridge using the blocked 
> line procedure and refitted the CFS. After all this I still have my 
> original problem. A few more details, all the tubes are full of 
ink, 
> The inks pulled through the tubes with out a problem and when doing 
> a nozzle check there is zero ink coming out of the yellow section.
> 
> Would anyone have come across this problem before or have any idea 
> as to where the problem lies or even better a solution. I have 
> emailed inksupply, com but the replies have been very slow in 
coming 

> and I am yet to have an answers to my problem. All help very much 
> appreciated – Bruce
> 
> Bruce McKean
> allozzie@b...
> www.brucemckean.com
> Australia

Thanks Chris for your reply, one thing I did do was to let the 
printer sit for fifty hours to see if the ink would settle but the 
problem still continues.

Would I be correct to assume that because all is well with the Epson 
carts installed that the problem must be either that the ink is for 
some reason unusable or that the CFS has a fault?  If this were the 
case would anyone know how I could test the ink or test the CFS out 
of the printer?

Also I would be grateful if some one could point me to a site where 
I could find out more about the 1160 print head, how CFS connects to 
the print heads and detailed drawings of the internals of the CFS 
carts. I'm sure there must be a solution to this problem but it 
looks very unlikely that it will be provided by the sellers of this 
product. Any help that can be provided will be very much 
appreciated – Bruce

Bruce McKean
allozzie@bigpond.com
www.brucemckean.com
Australia


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hargens" 
<hargens@s...> wrote:
> I'm experiencing almost the identical problem with my 1160 with 
the 
> UT inkset. I already had the Eboni black ink installed and decided 
to 
> go the whole route and install the other UT inks. After installing 
> the CFS, the first two prints came out well. Then suddenly I was 
> getting near zero nozzle checks on the "yellow" ink. Like you, I 
went 
> through the whole routine with the Epson cartridge and the pulling 
> the ink through the lines. There was some improvement, but then 
the 
> problem came back. I think -- and I'd be interested in other 
people's 
> opinions here --  that perhaps the best thing to do at this point 
is 
> to just let the printer sit idle for a couple of days. If there is 
a 
> problem with foam in the cart, then this may be the best way to 
deal 
> with it, assuming you've tried to remove it first from the cart 
and 
> you've run the Epson carts.
> 
> Chris Hargens
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "blokebam" 
> <allozzie@b...> wrote:
> > Hello all
> > 
> > I finally gave up with trying to print using the Epson 2100 and 
> > decided to go with the MIS variable mix quadtones inks. I 
purchased 
> > a new Epson 1160 and ordered the inks and a continuous flow 
system 
> > from inksupply.com in the states.  I fitted the CFS and followed 
> the 
> > instructions supplied and what followed was like all my 
Christmases 
> > had come at once, beautiful black and white prints from an 
inkjet 
> > printer. 
> > 
> > For two days the printer worked fine but on the third day the 
> yellow 
> > ink (vm-quad-4-y) refused to flow. I followed the trouble 
shooting 
> > guide and swapped the CFS for the original Epson cartridges, 
after 
> a 
> > few cleaning cycles all was well. I then followed the second 
> > solution of pulled the ink through the cartridge using the 
blocked 
> > line procedure and refitted the CFS. After all this I still have 
my 
> > original problem. A few more details, all the tubes are full of 
> ink, 
> > The inks pulled through the tubes with out a problem and when 
doing 
> > a nozzle check there is zero ink coming out of the yellow 
section.
> > 
> > Would anyone have come across this problem before or have any 
idea 
> > as to where the problem lies or even better a solution. I have 
> > emailed inksupply, com but the replies have been very slow in 
> coming 
> > and I am yet to have an answers to my problem. All help very 
much 

> > appreciated – Bruce
> > 
> > Bruce McKean
> > allozzie@b...
> > www.brucemckean.com
> > Australia

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "blokebam" <
allozzie@b...> wrote:
> Thanks Chris for your reply, one thing I did do was to let the 
> printer sit for fifty hours to see if the ink would settle but the 
> problem still continues.
> 
> Would I be correct to assume that because all is well with the Epson 
> carts installed that the problem must be either that the ink is for 
> some reason unusable or that the CFS has a fault?  If this were the 
> case would anyone know how I could test the ink or test the CFS out 
> of the printer?

Bruce,

In my (single) experience (1160+MIS-FS) there is no way that the foam 
problem will go away by itself.  You have to follow the instructions 
given by MIS to the letter.  This means drawing a *lot* of ink (I've 
forgotten the amount) from the bottom of the cartridges.  This has to 
be done until the withdrawn ink shows no sign of air bubbles.  Is that 
what you did?

If the other channels are OK, and the malfunctioning one has no foam, 
then there may be an air leak that will require replacing the 
cartridge.

Bob Zeiss at MIS is usually very helpful in providing guidance.

Harry Lockwood

where do you have the bottles?  If they are too low the heads can't 
suck enough to pull the ink up into the cart.  I did have one friend 
with the 1280 and for some reason he could not get his CFS to work no 
matter what... MIS gave him a full refund and he bought a 2200.

My 1160 works pretty well... except for some of the expected problems.

mark

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "blokebam" 
<allozzie@b...> wrote:
> Thanks Chris for your reply, one thing I did do was to let the 
> printer sit for fifty hours to see if the ink would settle but the 
> problem still continues.
> 
> Would I be correct to assume that because all is well with the 
Epson 
> carts installed that the problem must be either that the ink is for 
> some reason unusable or that the CFS has a fault?  If this were the 
> case would anyone know how I could test the ink or test the CFS out 
> of the printer?
> 
> Also I would be grateful if some one could point me to a site where 
> I could find out more about the 1160 print head, how CFS connects 
to 
> the print heads and detailed drawings of the internals of the CFS 
> carts. I'm sure there must be a solution to this problem but it 
> looks very unlikely that it will be provided by the sellers of this 
> product. Any help that can be provided will be very much 
> appreciated – Bruce
> 
> Bruce McKean
> allozzie@b...
> www.brucemckean.com
> Australia
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris 
Hargens" 
> <hargens@s...> wrote:
> > I'm experiencing almost the identical problem with my 1160 with 
> the 
> > UT inkset. I already had the Eboni black ink installed and 
decided 
> to 
> > go the whole route and install the other UT inks. After 
installing 
> > the CFS, the first two prints came out well. Then suddenly I was 
> > getting near zero nozzle checks on the "yellow" ink. Like you, I 
> went 
> > through the whole routine with the Epson cartridge and the 
pulling 
> > the ink through the lines. There was some improvement, but then 
> the 
> > problem came back. I think -- and I'd be interested in other 
> people's 
> > opinions here --  that perhaps the best thing to do at this point 
> is 
> > to just let the printer sit idle for a couple of days. If there 
is 
> a 
> > problem with foam in the cart, then this may be the best way to 
> deal 
> > with it, assuming you've tried to remove it first from the cart 
> and 
> > you've run the Epson carts.
> > 
> > Chris Hargens
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, "blokebam" 
> > <allozzie@b...> wrote:
> > > Hello all
> > > 
> > > I finally gave up with trying to print using the Epson 2100 and 
> > > decided to go with the MIS variable mix quadtones inks. I 
> purchased 
> > > a new Epson 1160 and ordered the inks and a continuous flow 
> system 
> > > from inksupply.com in the states.  I fitted the CFS and 
followed 
> > the 
> > > instructions supplied and what followed was like all my 
> Christmases 
> > > had come at once, beautiful black and white prints from an 
> inkjet 
> > > printer. 
> > > 
> > > For two days the printer worked fine but on the third day the 
> > yellow 
> > > ink (vm-quad-4-y) refused to flow. I followed the trouble 
> shooting 
> > > guide and swapped the CFS for the original Epson cartridges, 
> after 
> > a 
> > > few cleaning cycles all was well. I then followed the second 
> > > solution of pulled the ink through the cartridge using the 
> blocked 
> > > line procedure and refitted the CFS. After all this I still 
have 

> my 
> > > original problem. A few more details, all the tubes are full of 
> > ink, 
> > > The inks pulled through the tubes with out a problem and when 
> doing 
> > > a nozzle check there is zero ink coming out of the yellow 
> section.
> > > 
> > > Would anyone have come across this problem before or have any 
> idea 
> > > as to where the problem lies or even better a solution. I have 
> > > emailed inksupply, com but the replies have been very slow in 
> > coming 
> > > and I am yet to have an answers to my problem. All help very 
> much 
> > > appreciated – Bruce
> > > 
> > > Bruce McKean
> > > allozzie@b...
> > > www.brucemckean.com
> > > Australia

Hi Harry
Yes I have followed the instructions from MIS. Twice I have drawn 
120ml of ink from the bottom of the cart and the ink seems to be 
clear of foam. If there was an air leak in the system shouldn't the 
tube be full of air? Thanks - Bruce

Bruce McKean
allozzie@...








--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "hlockwood" 
<hlockwood@t...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "blokebam" <
> allozzie@b...> wrote:
> > Thanks Chris for your reply, one thing I did do was to let the 
> > printer sit for fifty hours to see if the ink would settle but 
the 
> > problem still continues.
> > 
> > Would I be correct to assume that because all is well with the 
Epson 
> > carts installed that the problem must be either that the ink is 
for 
> > some reason unusable or that the CFS has a fault?  If this were 
the 
> > case would anyone know how I could test the ink or test the CFS 
out 
> > of the printer?
> 
> Bruce,
> 
> In my (single) experience (1160+MIS-FS) there is no way that the 
foam 
> problem will go away by itself.  You have to follow the 
instructions 
> given by MIS to the letter.  This means drawing a *lot* of ink 
(I've 
> forgotten the amount) from the bottom of the cartridges.  This has 
to 
> be done until the withdrawn ink shows no sign of air bubbles.  Is 
that 
> what you did?
> 
> If the other channels are OK, and the malfunctioning one has no 
foam, 

> then there may be an air leak that will require replacing the 
> cartridge.
> 
> Bob Zeiss at MIS is usually very helpful in providing guidance.
> 
> Harry Lockwood

Bruce,
I have a 980 (which some say is the the smaller version of the 1160) 
that would not print through the yellow head after recently sitting 
in storage for a month. I did not have a CIS on it but had ink carts, 
but the problem was fixed by switching out the cartridges with 
cleaning cartridges, printing several 8x10 'prints' through the 
cleaning carts (which I believe are filled with windex), running a 
cleaning cycle, then putting back the ink carts...it then worked 
fine. Don't know if this would fix your prob. but I know those 
cleaning carts have worked great on my 980 both with the above 
problem, and with changing from dye inks to Mis quad inks.
Best, Mark R.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "blokebam" 
<allozzie@b...> wrote:
> Hello all
> 
> I finally gave up with trying to print using the Epson 2100 and 
> decided to go with the MIS variable mix quadtones inks. I purchased 
> a new Epson 1160 and ordered the inks and a continuous flow system 
> from inksupply.com in the states.  I fitted the CFS and followed 
the 
> instructions supplied and what followed was like all my Christmases 
> had come at once, beautiful black and white prints from an inkjet 
> printer. 
> 
> For two days the printer worked fine but on the third day the 
yellow 
> ink (vm-quad-4-y) refused to flow. I followed the trouble shooting 
> guide and swapped the CFS for the original Epson cartridges, after 
a 
> few cleaning cycles all was well. I then followed the second 
> solution of pulled the ink through the cartridge using the blocked 
> line procedure and refitted the CFS. After all this I still have my 
> original problem. A few more details, all the tubes are full of 
ink, 
> The inks pulled through the tubes with out a problem and when doing 
> a nozzle check there is zero ink coming out of the yellow section.
> 
> Would anyone have come across this problem before or have any idea 
> as to where the problem lies or even better a solution. I have 
> emailed inksupply, com but the replies have been very slow in 
coming 

> and I am yet to have an answers to my problem. All help very much 
> appreciated – Bruce
> 
> Bruce McKean
> allozzie@b...
> www.brucemckean.com
> Australia

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "blokebam" <
allozzie@b...> wrote:
> Hi Harry
> Yes I have followed the instructions from MIS. Twice I have drawn 
> 120ml of ink from the bottom of the cart and the ink seems to be 
> clear of foam. If there was an air leak in the system shouldn't the 
> tube be full of air? Thanks - Bruce
> 
> Bruce McKean
> allozzie@b...
> 
>
Bruce,

The clue for an air leak is that the ink in the tubing gradually 
recedes away from the cart toward the bottle.  If your tubes are filled 
with inks up close (less than 4", according to MIS) to the carts then 
an air leak is probably not the answer.  If there is an air leak, MIS 
will replace the cart without charge (I believe.)  Again, contacting 
Bob Zeiss at MIS for advice would be a good thing.

Harry Lockwood