Digital BW, The Print

Hello I have instaled the UT 1 with eboni black in my 1160. 
I getting some banding in the ramp of the steptablet gray of Paul 
Roak, and I have made many cleaning procedures to correct that, but 
no luck.
I made also head alignments and always get dot spread outside of the 
vertical lines and I don't know why. how I can correct that?
Any help will be apreciated
manuel
this is a link to see a scan of the head alignment
http://tinyurl.com/2c4d5

Hi Manuel,

This doesn't sound like an alignment problem; there's no reason why 
a different ink would cause alignment problems. I wasn't abe to 
access your URL to check, but it sounds like dried ink crusted 
around the nozzle openings. Try soaking a 2-3 layer thick strip of 
paper towel and running it under the head to wipe it clean. You'll 
have to manually release the head, for which I don't know the 
specific procedure for that printer, maybe someone can help with 
that?

Steve Karafyllakis

http://www.stevekphoto.com

> I made also head alignments and always get dot spread outside of 
the 

> vertical lines and I don't know why. how I can correct that?
> Any help will be apreciated
> manuel
> this is a link to see a scan of the head alignment
> http://tinyurl.com/2c4d5

Thanks Steve, I have posted a new address to show the problem 
http://www.pbase.com/mcc01/head_dots


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:

> Hi Manuel,
> 
> This doesn't sound like an alignment problem; there's no reason why 
> a different ink would cause alignment problems. I wasn't abe to 
> access your URL to check, but it sounds like dried ink crusted 
> around the nozzle openings. Try soaking a 2-3 layer thick strip of 
> paper towel and running it under the head to wipe it clean. You'll 
> have to manually release the head, for which I don't know the 
> specific procedure for that printer, maybe someone can help with 
> that?
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis
> 
> http://www.stevekphoto.com
> 
> > I made also head alignments and always get dot spread outside of 
> the 
> > vertical lines and I don't know why. how I can correct that?
> > Any help will be apreciated
> > manuel
> > this is a link to see a scan of the head alignment
> > http://tinyurl.com/2c4d5

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "copal01" 
<copal01@y...> wrote:
> Thanks Steve, I have posted a new address to show the problem 
> http://www.pbase.com/mcc01/head_dots

Hi Manuel,

Steve has given you some good advice for making sure that your heads 
are clean and not obstructed. That could be the problem and is the 
easier step to try first. You may also want to check the parking pad, 
and put some windex on that and dab it with a paper towel to pull up 
old excess ink. Then put some fresh windex on the pad and park your 
freshly cleaned heads on it for a few hours or overnight. Go through 
the 3 cleaning cycle described in many previous messages before doing 
a new set of test prints.

If that doesn't correct the problem, you may find that you 
have "foamy ink" in your cartridge, and since that foam doesn't flow 
smoothly into the heads, it tends to cause randomized "spatter 
patterns". It may be only in the eboni position, or could involve 
multiple positions. You can probably tell by pulling your eboni cart 
and replacing it with an Epson OEM black cart and doing an alignment 
print to see if the problem persists. (make sure you pinch off the 
line(s) near the bulk bottle if you pull the cart to preserve vacumn) 

There is very clear directions on the MIS site under CFS 
Troubleshooting that tell you how to extract the foamy ink and 
resolve that kind of issue, (including preserving vacumn or restoring 
feed if you loose it --  so no sense repeating it here.

These are the two steps I used in resolving the same issue on my 1280 
running UT/Eboni inks. Everything works perfectly now.

Good luck -- it's definitely a job that calls for a bit of patience 
and rubber gloves, but the results are definitely worth the effort ;>)

Richard


> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
> Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:
> > Hi Manuel,
> > 
> > This doesn't sound like an alignment problem; there's no reason 
why 
> > a different ink would cause alignment problems. I wasn't abe to 
> > access your URL to check, but it sounds like dried ink crusted 
> > around the nozzle openings. Try soaking a 2-3 layer thick strip 
of 
> > paper towel and running it under the head to wipe it clean. 
You'll 
> > have to manually release the head, for which I don't know the 
> > specific procedure for that printer, maybe someone can help with 
> > that?
> > 
> > Steve Karafyllakis
> > 
> > http://www.stevekphoto.com
> > 
> > > I made also head alignments and always get dot spread outside 
of 

> > the 
> > > vertical lines and I don't know why. how I can correct that?
> > > Any help will be apreciated
> > > manuel
> > > this is a link to see a scan of the head alignment
> > > http://tinyurl.com/2c4d5

Thank Richard, I will try


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "richard_h95050" 
<richardh@j...> wrote:
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "copal01" 
> <copal01@y...> wrote:
> > Thanks Steve, I have posted a new address to show the problem 
> > http://www.pbase.com/mcc01/head_dots
> 
> Hi Manuel,
> 
> Steve has given you some good advice for making sure that your 
heads 
> are clean and not obstructed. That could be the problem and is the 
> easier step to try first. You may also want to check the parking 
pad, 
> and put some windex on that and dab it with a paper towel to pull 
up 
> old excess ink. Then put some fresh windex on the pad and park your 
> freshly cleaned heads on it for a few hours or overnight. Go 
through 
> the 3 cleaning cycle described in many previous messages before 
doing 
> a new set of test prints.
> 
> If that doesn't correct the problem, you may find that you 
> have "foamy ink" in your cartridge, and since that foam doesn't 
flow 
> smoothly into the heads, it tends to cause randomized "spatter 
> patterns". It may be only in the eboni position, or could involve 
> multiple positions. You can probably tell by pulling your eboni 
cart 
> and replacing it with an Epson OEM black cart and doing an 
alignment 
> print to see if the problem persists. (make sure you pinch off the 
> line(s) near the bulk bottle if you pull the cart to preserve 
vacumn) 
> 
> There is very clear directions on the MIS site under CFS 
> Troubleshooting that tell you how to extract the foamy ink and 
> resolve that kind of issue, (including preserving vacumn or 
restoring 
> feed if you loose it --  so no sense repeating it here.
> 
> These are the two steps I used in resolving the same issue on my 
1280 
> running UT/Eboni inks. Everything works perfectly now.
> 
> Good luck -- it's definitely a job that calls for a bit of patience 
> and rubber gloves, but the results are definitely worth the 
effort ;>)
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
> > Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:
> > > Hi Manuel,
> > > 
> > > This doesn't sound like an alignment problem; there's no reason 
> why 
> > > a different ink would cause alignment problems. I wasn't abe to 
> > > access your URL to check, but it sounds like dried ink crusted 
> > > around the nozzle openings. Try soaking a 2-3 layer thick strip 
> of 
> > > paper towel and running it under the head to wipe it clean. 
> You'll 
> > > have to manually release the head, for which I don't know the 
> > > specific procedure for that printer, maybe someone can help 
with 

> > > that?
> > > 
> > > Steve Karafyllakis
> > > 
> > > http://www.stevekphoto.com
> > > 
> > > > I made also head alignments and always get dot spread outside 
> of 
> > > the 
> > > > vertical lines and I don't know why. how I can correct that?
> > > > Any help will be apreciated
> > > > manuel
> > > > this is a link to see a scan of the head alignment
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/2c4d5

Hi Copal,

Are the banding lines that you see (I see them in your samples as 
well) parallel to the head movement direction, or in other words, 
perpendicular to the direction the paper is going through the 
printer?
Reason I ask, is that I am getting the same thing, and head 
alignment has nothing to do with aligning the dots in the direction 
of the paper feed.  I am thinking that an adjustment is needed to 
fine tune the paper advance, as it moves line by line.
I have the 1280 adjustment program, but don't see any test or 
adjustment for determining the accuracy of the paper advance.
If the paper advance was to be off by just a little bit, this would 
cause problems (and it might very well be).
So I guess I have a question:  anyone know how to test the accuracy 
of the paper feed, and how to adjust it if it's off?

ALl the best,
Kevin Logan

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "copal01" 
<copal01@y...> wrote:
> Hello I have instaled the UT 1 with eboni black in my 1160. 
> I getting some banding in the ramp of the steptablet gray of Paul 
> Roak, and I have made many cleaning procedures to correct that, 
but 
> no luck.
> I made also head alignments and always get dot spread outside of 
the 

> vertical lines and I don't know why. how I can correct that?
> Any help will be apreciated
> manuel
> this is a link to see a scan of the head alignment
> http://tinyurl.com/2c4d5

I think that they parallel to the head movemnt.See this link to see a 
gray scale print with black only. http://www.pbase.com/mcc01/head_dots
MIS also tell me that my problem was an overfilled cart.

> So I guess I have a question:  anyone know how to test the accuracy 
> of the paper feed, and how to adjust it if it's off?
good question

manuel




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "klog52756" 
<klog52756@y...> wrote:

> Hi Copal,
> 
> Are the banding lines that you see (I see them in your samples as 
> well) parallel to the head movement direction, or in other words, 
> perpendicular to the direction the paper is going through the 
> printer?
> Reason I ask, is that I am getting the same thing, and head 
> alignment has nothing to do with aligning the dots in the direction 
> of the paper feed.  I am thinking that an adjustment is needed to 
> fine tune the paper advance, as it moves line by line.
> I have the 1280 adjustment program, but don't see any test or 
> adjustment for determining the accuracy of the paper advance.
> If the paper advance was to be off by just a little bit, this would 
> cause problems (and it might very well be).
> So I guess I have a question:  anyone know how to test the accuracy 
> of the paper feed, and how to adjust it if it's off?
> 
> ALl the best,
> Kevin Logan
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "copal01" 
> <copal01@y...> wrote:
> > Hello I have instaled the UT 1 with eboni black in my 1160. 
> > I getting some banding in the ramp of the steptablet gray of Paul 
> > Roak, and I have made many cleaning procedures to correct that, 
> but 
> > no luck.
> > I made also head alignments and always get dot spread outside of 
> the 
> > vertical lines and I don't know why. how I can correct that?
> > Any help will be apreciated
> > manuel
> > this is a link to see a scan of the head alignment
> > http://tinyurl.com/2c4d5

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "copal01" 
<copal01@y...> wrote:
> I think that they parallel to the head movemnt.See this link to 
see a 
> gray scale print with black only. 
http://www.pbase.com/mcc01/head_dots

The test you have posted shows only wether or not the bi-
directionalprinting is working properly; if you can't get perfect 
alignment between the top and bottm sections of each line, TURN OFF 
BI-DIRECTIONAL PRINTING! Mis-alignment of this type can cuase all 
sorts of weird problems from simple loss of sharpness 
to 'herringbone'patterns. Unless you can get it absolutely perfect 
(and confirm that by checking with a lupe for double dots where 
there should be only one)its better to just give up the speed and 
turn it off. If you are printing with it off, then forget that 
particular alignment test, it is irrelevant. 

Steve Karafyllakis

> 
>

The test was printed with turning off bi-directional printing and 
1440 dpi
manuel


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "copal01" 
> <copal01@y...> wrote:
> > I think that they parallel to the head movemnt.See this link to 
> see a 
> > gray scale print with black only. 
> http://www.pbase.com/mcc01/head_dots
> 
> The test you have posted shows only wether or not the bi-
> directionalprinting is working properly; if you can't get perfect 
> alignment between the top and bottm sections of each line, TURN OFF 
> BI-DIRECTIONAL PRINTING! Mis-alignment of this type can cuase all 
> sorts of weird problems from simple loss of sharpness 
> to 'herringbone'patterns. Unless you can get it absolutely perfect 
> (and confirm that by checking with a lupe for double dots where 
> there should be only one)its better to just give up the speed and 
> turn it off. If you are printing with it off, then forget that 
> particular alignment test, it is irrelevant. 
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis
> 
> > 
> >

I have found, assuming I was seeing the same problem with my work, 
as you are seeing with your work, the importance of printing at 360 
DPI v. 300 DPI. Notice that all Epson printer resolutions going with 
the travel of the print head, AND with the travel of the paper feed 
are multiples of 180. My 1280 is 180,360,720,1440,2880 in the 
direction of the print head, and I believe 720 in the direction of 
the paper feed. I think (have heard and now confirmed by my own 
tests) that printing at ANY resolution other than one that is evenly 
divisble by 180, causes a problem with the dither pattern AND/OR the 
ability of the driver to MICROWEAVE, especially in the direction of 
the paper feed.  I was getting faint hints of lines, patterns sort 
of, parallel to the direction of the print head travel, 
perpendicular to the direction of the paper feed.  I changed the 
resolution in PS to 360 (a multiple of 180), and the print is smooth 
as silk.  Give it a try, it might solve your problem.  Hope it does.

All the best,
kevin logan



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "copal01" 
<copal01@y...> wrote:
> The test was printed with turning off bi-directional printing and 
> 1440 dpi
> manuel
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
> Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "copal01" 
> > <copal01@y...> wrote:
> > > I think that they parallel to the head movemnt.See this link 
to 
> > see a 
> > > gray scale print with black only. 
> > http://www.pbase.com/mcc01/head_dots
> > 
> > The test you have posted shows only wether or not the bi-
> > directionalprinting is working properly; if you can't get 
perfect 
> > alignment between the top and bottm sections of each line, TURN 
OFF 
> > BI-DIRECTIONAL PRINTING! Mis-alignment of this type can cuase 
all 
> > sorts of weird problems from simple loss of sharpness 
> > to 'herringbone'patterns. Unless you can get it absolutely 
perfect 
> > (and confirm that by checking with a lupe for double dots where 
> > there should be only one)its better to just give up the speed 
and 

> > turn it off. If you are printing with it off, then forget that 
> > particular alignment test, it is irrelevant. 
> > 
> > Steve Karafyllakis
> > 
> > > 
> > >