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Selling equipment

2004-02-09 by Ken Carney

Hello all.  Now that I'm firmly entrenched in desktop printmaking, I'm
thinking about selling my large format gear to make way for, what appears to
be, the inevitable transition to digital capture.  Truth be told, I haven't
used the LF stuff for a while, having warmed up to 35mm.  Now the lure of a
high-end digital SLR with instant gratification is strong.  My question is
whether there are reliable places besides ebay on the internet.  I don't
really trust ebay/paypal (I see to open a seller account they want my bank
account number in addition to a credit card number.  I know --- everytime I
write a check someone has my bank account number, but still it doesn't sound
right, and I've heard lots of horror stories, defrauded once there
myself...).  More to the point, a search for LF equipment on ebay today
resulted in pretty slim pickings.  My search skills are probably just off
today, but I couldn't come up with alternatives.  Any advice appreciated!

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com

Re: Selling equipment

2004-02-09 by Bob Michaels

Selling to someone online always has some element of the unknown. But
E-Bay and it's subsidiary, PayPay, are about as trustworthy as you can
get. They are just too big and too successful to have any interest in
ripping you or me off for what little we have. All the risk is in the
seller's description of condition, but that was always the case.

But if you have a lower cost 4x5 field camera and/or lens, contact me
off list. 

Bob Michaels 

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Carney"
<kcarney1@c...> wrote:
> Hello all.  Now that I'm firmly entrenched in desktop printmaking, I'm
> thinking about selling my large format gear to make way for, what
appears to
> be, the inevitable transition to digital capture.  Truth be told, I
haven't
> used the LF stuff for a while, having warmed up to 35mm.  Now the
lure of a
> high-end digital SLR with instant gratification is strong.  My
question is
> whether there are reliable places besides ebay on the internet.  I don't
> really trust ebay/paypal (I see to open a seller account they want
my bank
> account number in addition to a credit card number.  I know ---
everytime I
> write a check someone has my bank account number, but still it
doesn't sound
> right, and I've heard lots of horror stories, defrauded once there
> myself...).  More to the point, a search for LF equipment on ebay today
> resulted in pretty slim pickings.  My search skills are probably
just off
> today, but I couldn't come up with alternatives.  Any advice
appreciated!
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> 
> Regards,
> 
>   --Ken Carney
>     www.kencarney.com

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Selling equipment

2004-02-09 by Chuck Peacock

You can always try KEH. (www.keh.com)

You might not get as much money as on eBay, but you won't get scammed.

Chuck Peacock
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Bob Michaels [mailto:bob@...]
  Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 9:08 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Selling equipment


  Selling to someone online always has some element of the unknown. But
  E-Bay and it's subsidiary, PayPay, are about as trustworthy as you can
  get. They are just too big and too successful to have any interest in
  ripping you or me off for what little we have. All the risk is in the
  seller's description of condition, but that was always the case.

  But if you have a lower cost 4x5 field camera and/or lens, contact me
  off list.

  Bob Michaels

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Carney"
  <kcarney1@c...> wrote:
  > Hello all.  Now that I'm firmly entrenched in desktop printmaking, I'm
  > thinking about selling my large format gear to make way for, what
  appears to
  > be, the inevitable transition to digital capture.  Truth be told, I
  haven't
  > used the LF stuff for a while, having warmed up to 35mm.  Now the
  lure of a
  > high-end digital SLR with instant gratification is strong.  My
  question is
  > whether there are reliable places besides ebay on the internet.  I don't
  > really trust ebay/paypal (I see to open a seller account they want
  my bank
  > account number in addition to a credit card number.  I know ---
  everytime I
  > write a check someone has my bank account number, but still it
  doesn't sound
  > right, and I've heard lots of horror stories, defrauded once there
  > myself...).  More to the point, a search for LF equipment on ebay today
  > resulted in pretty slim pickings.  My search skills are probably
  just off
  > today, but I couldn't come up with alternatives.  Any advice
  appreciated!
  >
  > Regards,
  >
  >   --Ken Carney
  >     www.kencarney.com



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[Digital BW] Re: Selling equipment

2004-02-09 by awahlster

I'm curious having been involved in almost 1000 auctions on ebay in 
the last 4 years how would a person selling camera equipment "get 
scammed"? As far as I can figure out the seller determins how they 
will accept payment. A Postal Money order is pretty dad gum safe the 
MO arrives and you put the item in the mail and off it goes while you 
spend the money. If the New world of Paypal and things like ordering 
items over the internet scares you stick with the Postal Money order 
I've bought items from 11 different countries and sold to 2 dozen the 
only person who never paid me was over a ten dollar item he was in 
the states. I got a negitive for that one! 99.9% of the stuff I have 
bought I was happy when the box was opened the other times I either 
got mmy money back and returned the item or got screwed but never for 
more then 20-30 bucks. So who would be doing the scamming. 

Mark W.




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Peacock" 
<cpeacock@c...> wrote:
> You can always try KEH. (www.keh.com)
> 
> You might not get as much money as on eBay, but you won't get 
scammed.
> 
> Chuck Peacock
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Bob Michaels [mailto:bob@b...]
>   Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 9:08 PM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Selling equipment
> 
> 
>   Selling to someone online always has some element of the unknown. 
But
>   E-Bay and it's subsidiary, PayPay, are about as trustworthy as 
you can
>   get. They are just too big and too successful to have any 
interest in
>   ripping you or me off for what little we have. All the risk is in 
the
>   seller's description of condition, but that was always the case.
> 
>   But if you have a lower cost 4x5 field camera and/or lens, 
contact me
>   off list.
> 
>   Bob Michaels
> 
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Carney"
>   <kcarney1@c...> wrote:
>   > Hello all.  Now that I'm firmly entrenched in desktop 
printmaking, I'm
>   > thinking about selling my large format gear to make way for, 
what
>   appears to
>   > be, the inevitable transition to digital capture.  Truth be 
told, I
>   haven't
>   > used the LF stuff for a while, having warmed up to 35mm.  Now 
the
>   lure of a
>   > high-end digital SLR with instant gratification is strong.  My
>   question is
>   > whether there are reliable places besides ebay on the 
internet.  I don't
>   > really trust ebay/paypal (I see to open a seller account they 
want
>   my bank
>   > account number in addition to a credit card number.  I know ---
>   everytime I
>   > write a check someone has my bank account number, but still it
>   doesn't sound
>   > right, and I've heard lots of horror stories, defrauded once 
there
>   > myself...).  More to the point, a search for LF equipment on 
ebay today
>   > resulted in pretty slim pickings.  My search skills are probably
>   just off
>   > today, but I couldn't come up with alternatives.  Any advice
>   appreciated!
>   >
>   > Regards,
>   >
>   >   --Ken Carney
>   >     www.kencarney.com
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Selling equipment

2004-02-09 by Dennis W. Manasco

At 7:05 pm -0600 2/8/04, Ken Carney wrote:

>My question is whether there are reliable places besides ebay on the 
>internet. I don't really trust ebay/paypal (I see to open a seller 
>account they want my bank account number in addition to a credit 
>card number. I know --- everytime I write a check someone has my 
>bank account number, but still it doesn't sound right, and I've 
>heard lots of horror stories, defrauded once there myself...).


Ken --

We too were uncomfortable with giving PayPal complete access to our 
bank account. The obvious (and frighteningly real) scenario was that 
someone would hack the PayPal withdrawal authorization and withdraw 
all of the funds in the account. Since US banking law allows banks to 
hold the account holder at fault, even in cases of obvious fraud 
(whereas credit card companies must protect the client, except for 
the first $50 -- which they usually waive), we felt this was a valid 
concern. Valid enough to cause us to not upgrade to a "verified" 
PayPal account for some time. (**)

The way we finally solved the problem was to arrange with our banker 
to create another account which we only use for PayPal transactions. 
We keep the minimum balance that the bank requires for no monthly fee 
($1200 in our case) and only add to it if we buy something from 
someone  who cannot take credit card transfers (people with 
"personal" rather than "premier" accounts).

This way, even if someone were to gain full access to the account, we 
wouldn't lose everything we had in the bank -- only the $1200 maximum 
we have set.

Except for that caveat we've found eBay an excellent place to buy and 
sell and have never had any trouble with PayPal.


Hope this helps,

-=-Dennis


(**) BTW: Anyone who doesn't believe that the law allows banks to 
dump fraudulent losses on the account holder should have their 
checkbook stolen sometime. If someone writes those stolen checks your 
bank _will_not_ stand behind you. If the checks go through the system 
(and they invariably will, no matter how obviously wrong the 
signature) then your only legal recourse will be to recover the 
stolen funds from the person who fraudulently wrote and signed the 
checks. Fat chance.

Re: [Digital BW] Selling equipment

2004-02-09 by Alan.Huntley@cox.net

Ken,

Totally agree with you on eBay...just seems like I hear of scams on eBay nearly weekly. Shutterbug ad? Are you a subscriber to View Camera? If so, I would consider advertising there because you've got a target audience.

Sorry to say, but my guess is that large format equipment--like darkroom stuff--ain't gonna be worth much nowadays. That said, what have you got? I might be interested. E-mail me off-list. I'm not ready to give up my LF gear, yet, because I haven't personally seen digital output that can match the quality of a scanned 4x5 chrome. Maybe the 22-megapixel medium format backs come close, but I can't afford the cost of entry. Consider this...for less than half the cost of a Canon 1Ds, you could get a pretty nice 4x5 (even new) with a few lenses, and produce very nice work!

Good luck,
Alan Huntley
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> 
> From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1@...>
> Date: 2004/02/08 Sun PM 08:05:42 EST
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Selling equipment
> 
> Hello all.  Now that I'm firmly entrenched in desktop printmaking, I'm
> thinking about selling my large format gear to make way for, what appears to
> be, the inevitable transition to digital capture.  Truth be told, I haven't
> used the LF stuff for a while, having warmed up to 35mm.  Now the lure of a
> high-end digital SLR with instant gratification is strong.  My question is
> whether there are reliable places besides ebay on the internet.  I don't
> really trust ebay/paypal (I see to open a seller account they want my bank
> account number in addition to a credit card number.  I know --- everytime I
> write a check someone has my bank account number, but still it doesn't sound
> right, and I've heard lots of horror stories, defrauded once there
> myself...).  More to the point, a search for LF equipment on ebay today
> resulted in pretty slim pickings.  My search skills are probably just off
> today, but I couldn't come up with alternatives.  Any advice appreciated!

RE: [Digital BW] Selling equipment

2004-02-09 by Jake Hellbach

Hi all,
I've bought and sold many items on Ebay. Once I had someone win one of my
auctions and then never come through.
If you're selling that's the only thing you have to worry about. When I sell
something, I never ship until I have the payment in my hand and the buyer
pays shipping as well.
If I'm buying I always go by the amount of positive feedbacks that the
seller has.
Jake


Jake Hellbach Photography
www.jakehellbachphoto.com




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Re: Selling equipment

2004-02-09 by John Vitollo

> I don't
> really trust ebay/paypal (I see to open a seller account they want my bank
> account number in addition to a credit card number.

I have over 100 transactions on eBay as a seller and buyer. As a seller it's really safe - the 
item is sent only after payment is cleared - simple as that. As a buyer I've had only good 
experiences. I sold a mint Deardorf for $3400. last year to a person in England - no 
problem - I'm in NJ USA. I just sold an Adam's Minex Tropical for $2900. to a camera 
collector in Japan - no problem: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2980262565

The only scam I've come across are emails saying my paypal/ebay account will be closed 
and I need to send them all my account/credit card numbers and passwords again - yes 
this is scary! I'm sure there will be a few people that will fall for it - I almost did the first 
time! So what I do is as mentioned - I have a separate bank account for paypal and move 
the money to my regular bank account ASAP.

John V.

Re: [Digital BW] Selling equipment

2004-02-09 by JimD

I'm not real fond of Ebay and PayPal.

We no longer use PayPal nor Ebay as we actually experienced the problem
that Ken was uncomfortable with. Someone hacked our
Paypal account to 'charge' thousands of dollars of
photo equipment purchases, ostensibly through Ebay.

It was pure providence that my wife checked
our PayPal account on the morning this activity was taking place.
We deactivated our bank account and limited the loss.

Be careful out there,
JimD



At 01:30 AM 2/9/2004, Dennis W. Manasco wrote:
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>At 7:05 pm -0600 2/8/04, Ken Carney wrote:
>
> >My question is whether there are reliable places besides ebay on the
> >internet. I don't really trust ebay/paypal (I see to open a seller
> >account they want my bank account number in addition to a credit
> >card number. I know --- everytime I write a check someone has my
> >bank account number, but still it doesn't sound right, and I've
> >heard lots of horror stories, defrauded once there myself...).
>
>
>Ken --
>
>We too were uncomfortable with giving PayPal complete access to our
>bank account. The obvious (and frighteningly real) scenario was that
>someone would hack the PayPal withdrawal authorization and withdraw
>all of the funds in the account. Since US banking law allows banks to
>hold the account holder at fault, even in cases of obvious fraud
>(whereas credit card companies must protect the client, except for
>the first $50 -- which they usually waive), we felt this was a valid
>concern. Valid enough to cause us to not upgrade to a "verified"
>PayPal account for some time. (**)
>
>The way we finally solved the problem was to arrange with our banker
>to create another account which we only use for PayPal transactions.
>We keep the minimum balance that the bank requires for no monthly fee
>($1200 in our case) and only add to it if we buy something from
>someone  who cannot take credit card transfers (people with
>"personal" rather than "premier" accounts).
>
>This way, even if someone were to gain full access to the account, we
>wouldn't lose everything we had in the bank -- only the $1200 maximum
>we have set.
>
>Except for that caveat we've found eBay an excellent place to buy and
>sell and have never had any trouble with PayPal.
>
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>-=-Dennis
>
>
>(**) BTW: Anyone who doesn't believe that the law allows banks to
>dump fraudulent losses on the account holder should have their
>checkbook stolen sometime. If someone writes those stolen checks your
>bank _will_not_ stand behind you. If the checks go through the system
>(and they invariably will, no matter how obviously wrong the
>signature) then your only legal recourse will be to recover the
>stolen funds from the person who fraudulently wrote and signed the
>checks. Fat chance.
>
>
>
>Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as 
>they are often being updated.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
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>page.
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Re: Selling equipment

2004-02-09 by BB

On the subject of getting paid by after an eBay sale.
Do not accept Western Union, the buyer can cancel the
money order.  Only the buyer can deal with
and resolve and problem
with a lost check.
Accept Cash or U.S.Postal Money orders.
There is an international money order as well......look at
ebay for info on that.
There is also a service eBay has
to insure your payment from the purchaser.
-Bobbie

RE: [Digital BW] Selling equipment

2004-02-09 by Jake Hellbach

Jim,
Did this happen recently?
Thanks,
Jake


Jake Hellbach Photography
www.jakehellbachphoto.com
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  From: JimD [mailto:rasterdogs@...]
  Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:46 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Cc: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com; Ken Carney
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Selling equipment


  I'm not real fond of Ebay and PayPal.

  We no longer use PayPal nor Ebay as we actually experienced the problem
  that Ken was uncomfortable with. Someone hacked our
  Paypal account to 'charge' thousands of dollars of
  photo equipment purchases, ostensibly through Ebay.

  It was pure providence that my wife checked
  our PayPal account on the morning this activity was taking place.
  We deactivated our bank account and limited the loss.

  Be careful out there,
  JimD




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Re: [Digital BW] Selling equipment

2004-02-09 by Barry Koblenz

Alan has a good point, Ken. Unless you really need to sell you LF eq, I would hold on to it. There
may be times when your work demands such equipment. I suspect, too, that the price such eq. would
fetch may be less than would want. I still keep my 35mm Nikons, for example.  -B


--- Alan.Huntley@... wrote:
> Ken,
> 
> Totally agree with you on eBay...just seems like I hear of scams on eBay nearly weekly.
> Shutterbug ad? Are you a subscriber to View Camera? If so, I would consider advertising there
> because you've got a target audience.
> 
> Sorry to say, but my guess is that large format equipment--like darkroom stuff--ain't gonna be
> worth much nowadays. That said, what have you got? I might be interested. E-mail me off-list.
> I'm not ready to give up my LF gear, yet, because I haven't personally seen digital output that
> can match the quality of a scanned 4x5 chrome. Maybe the 22-megapixel medium format backs come
> close, but I can't afford the cost of entry. Consider this...for less than half the cost of a
> Canon 1Ds, you could get a pretty nice 4x5 (even new) with a few lenses, and produce very nice
> work!
> 
> Good luck,
> Alan Huntley
> 
> > 
> > From: "Ken Carney" <kcarney1@...>
> > Date: 2004/02/08 Sun PM 08:05:42 EST
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Selling equipment
> > 
> > Hello all.  Now that I'm firmly entrenched in desktop printmaking, I'm
> > thinking about selling my large format gear to make way for, what appears to
> > be, the inevitable transition to digital capture.  Truth be told, I haven't
> > used the LF stuff for a while, having warmed up to 35mm.  Now the lure of a
> > high-end digital SLR with instant gratification is strong.  My question is
> > whether there are reliable places besides ebay on the internet.  I don't
> > really trust ebay/paypal (I see to open a seller account they want my bank
> > account number in addition to a credit card number.  I know --- everytime I
> > write a check someone has my bank account number, but still it doesn't sound
> > right, and I've heard lots of horror stories, defrauded once there
> > myself...).  More to the point, a search for LF equipment on ebay today
> > resulted in pretty slim pickings.  My search skills are probably just off
> > today, but I couldn't come up with alternatives.  Any advice appreciated!
> 
> 


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2004-02-09 by Mitch Abate

I have sold thousands of dollars worth of photo equipment (including large format) on eBay using Paypal and never had any problems.ebay user ID: mabate6047

Jake Hellbach <jake@...> wrote:Jim,
Did this happen recently?
Thanks,
Jake


Jake Hellbach Photography
www.jakehellbachphoto.com
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: JimD [mailto:rasterdogs@comcast.net]
  Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:46 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Cc: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com; Ken Carney
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Selling equipment


  I'm not real fond of Ebay and PayPal.

  We no longer use PayPal nor Ebay as we actually experienced the problem
  that Ken was uncomfortable with. Someone hacked our
  Paypal account to 'charge' thousands of dollars of
  photo equipment purchases, ostensibly through Ebay.

  It was pure providence that my wife checked
  our PayPal account on the morning this activity was taking place.
  We deactivated our bank account and limited the loss.

  Be careful out there,
  JimD




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RE: [Digital BW] Selling equipment

2004-02-09 by Jim Doyle

That Make's Two Of Us:) I have sold thousands of dollars worth of paper on
ebay:
I am an Ebay power seller and Pay Pal verified: I have 2 negative feedbacks
out of over 500 Not too shabby.

great System
Cheers
Jim Doyle


J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C.
114 Old Orchard Rd.
Cherry Hill, NJ 08003
856-424-8660
www.shadesofpaper.com <http://www.shadesofpaper.com>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Abate [mailto:mitchabate@...]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 12:23 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Selling equipment


I have sold thousands of dollars worth of photo equipment (including large
format) on eBay using Paypal and never had any problems.ebay user ID:
mabate6047

Jake Hellbach <jake@...> wrote:Jim,
Did this happen recently?
Thanks,
Jake


Jake Hellbach Photography
www.jakehellbachphoto.com


  -----Original Message-----
  From: JimD [mailto:rasterdogs@...]
  Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:46 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Cc: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com; Ken Carney
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Selling equipment


  I'm not real fond of Ebay and PayPal.

  We no longer use PayPal nor Ebay as we actually experienced the problem
  that Ken was uncomfortable with. Someone hacked our
  Paypal account to 'charge' thousands of dollars of
  photo equipment purchases, ostensibly through Ebay.

  It was pure providence that my wife checked
  our PayPal account on the morning this activity was taking place.
  We deactivated our bank account and limited the loss.

  Be careful out there,
  JimD




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Re: [Digital BW] Selling equipment

2004-02-09 by Jack M Kucy

I was concerned of the possibility of the identity theft, so when I 
registered
with PayPal - I registered only the personal bank account.  For most of my
expenditures I use my business account, so I keep on my private one only
enough money to pay my bills through PayPal with it.  I have never been
able to get anywhere else for my offered items as much as at the EBay.  
The most problems people create by themselves answering to the deluge
of false ebay emails asking for the confirmation of the passwords etc.  
Right now the hackers use a legitimate addresses (like ebay.com)  to
send their fraudulent emails.  The real EBay NEVER asks for the details
through the emails.  All the problems any of my friends had with the
EBay came this way - supplying the sensitive info directly to the thieves.  
So be careful - but you may trust the EBay itself I would think.
Jack

_________________________________________________
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Mitch Abate wrote:

>I have sold thousands of dollars worth of photo equipment (including large format) on eBay using Paypal and never had any problems.ebay user ID: mabate6047
>
>Jake Hellbach <jake@...> wrote:Jim,
>Did this happen recently?
>Thanks,
>Jake
>
>
>Jake Hellbach Photography
>www.jakehellbachphoto.com
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: JimD [mailto:rasterdogs@...]
>  Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:46 AM
>  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>  Cc: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com; Ken Carney
>  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Selling equipment
>
>
>  I'm not real fond of Ebay and PayPal.
>
>  We no longer use PayPal nor Ebay as we actually experienced the problem
>  that Ken was uncomfortable with. Someone hacked our
>  Paypal account to 'charge' thousands of dollars of
>  photo equipment purchases, ostensibly through Ebay.
>
>  It was pure providence that my wife checked
>  our PayPal account on the morning this activity was taking place.
>  We deactivated our bank account and limited the loss.
>
>  Be careful out there,
>  JimD
>
>
>  
>

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RE: [Digital BW] Selling equipment

2004-02-09 by Phil Radlick

Hi All, I too have purchased many things for my photography habit from
ebay quite successfully.  However, early in the game I was a victim of a
fraud for about $1000 involving my attempt to purchase a camera from
what appeared to be a very well respected long time seller.  That seller
had his ebay account hacked into by an international ring of thieves.
They used his reputation and id for support and I was asked to wire them
the money via a wire service.  Thinking them to be legitimate I
complied.  They took the money and I never got the camera.  Later I
found an item on ebay telling us all not to purchase this kind of camera
this way because of the fraud potential.  It did not prevent me from
continuing to buy on ebay.it just made me very cautious about each
transaction. 

 

Thanks to all for your posts in general.   Your generosity with your
knowledge is most appreciated by one who is just now learning how to
work with black and white digitally to produce fine images.

 

Phil Radlick
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From: Jim Doyle [mailto:jdoyle1713@...] 
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:28 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Selling equipment

 

That Make's Two Of Us:) I have sold thousands of dollars worth of paper
on
ebay:
I am an Ebay power seller and Pay Pal verified: I have 2 negative
feedbacks
out of over 500 Not too shabby.

great System
Cheers
Jim Doyle


J.Doyle Enterprises L.L.C.
114 Old Orchard Rd.
Cherry Hill, NJ 08003
856-424-8660
www.shadesofpaper.com <http://www.shadesofpaper.com>



-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Abate [mailto:mitchabate@...]
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 12:23 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Selling equipment


I have sold thousands of dollars worth of photo equipment (including
large
format) on eBay using Paypal and never had any problems.ebay user ID:
mabate6047

Jake Hellbach <jake@...> wrote:Jim,
Did this happen recently?
Thanks,
Jake


Jake Hellbach Photography
www.jakehellbachphoto.com


  -----Original Message-----
  From: JimD [mailto:rasterdogs@...]
  Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:46 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Cc: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com; Ken Carney
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Selling equipment


  I'm not real fond of Ebay and PayPal.

  We no longer use PayPal nor Ebay as we actually experienced the
problem
  that Ken was uncomfortable with. Someone hacked our
  Paypal account to 'charge' thousands of dollars of
  photo equipment purchases, ostensibly through Ebay.

  It was pure providence that my wife checked
  our PayPal account on the morning this activity was taking place.
  We deactivated our bank account and limited the loss.

  Be careful out there,
  JimD




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Re: Selling equipment

2004-02-09 by maggieradlick

Hi All, I too have purchased many things for my photography habit 
from ebay quite successfully.  However, early in the game I was a 
victim of a fraud for about $1000 involving my attempt to purchase a 
camera from what appeared to be a very well respected long time 
seller.  That seller had his ebay account hacked into by an 
international ring of thieves.  They used his reputation and id for 
support and I was asked to wire them the money via a wire service.  
Thinking them to be legitimate I complied.  They took the money and I 
never got the camera.  Later I found an item on ebay telling us all 
not to purchase this kind of camera this way because of the fraud 
potential.  It did not prevent me from continuing to buy on ebay
it 
just made me very cautious about each transaction. 

 

Thanks to all for your posts in general.   Your generosity with your 
knowledge is most appreciated by one who is just now learning how to 
work with black and white digitally to produce fine images.

 

Phil Radlick





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Carney" 
<kcarney1@c...> wrote:
> Hello all.  Now that I'm firmly entrenched in desktop printmaking, 
I'm
> thinking about selling my large format gear to make way for, what 
appears to
> be, the inevitable transition to digital capture.  Truth be told, I 
haven't
> used the LF stuff for a while, having warmed up to 35mm.  Now the 
lure of a
> high-end digital SLR with instant gratification is strong.  My 
question is
> whether there are reliable places besides ebay on the internet.  I 
don't
> really trust ebay/paypal (I see to open a seller account they want 
my bank
> account number in addition to a credit card number.  I know --- 
everytime I
> write a check someone has my bank account number, but still it 
doesn't sound
> right, and I've heard lots of horror stories, defrauded once there
> myself...).  More to the point, a search for LF equipment on ebay 
today
> resulted in pretty slim pickings.  My search skills are probably 
just off
> today, but I couldn't come up with alternatives.  Any advice 
appreciated!
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> 
> Regards,
> 
>   --Ken Carney
>     www.kencarney.com

RE: [Digital BW] Selling equipment

2004-02-10 by Ken Carney

Barry and others: As usual, great advice from this forum and I truly
appreciate all of the replies.  I've focused, as it were, on the replies
suggesting "don't sell" and have re-thought my position.  I have a Linhof
Technica field outfit with various lenses and accessories (including the
Rodenstock Imagon, one of the more bizarre things you can buy), and a Kodak
Master View field 8x10 outfit (the same setup that Jock Sturges uses when
his equipment isn't confiscated).  They don't eat anything, probably aren't
valuable, just take up a little space.  Though I'm presently interested in
35mm and the instant gratification of digital, that may change with time.
So I'll keep them.  Thanks again for the attitude adjustment.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barry Koblenz [mailto:zod111@...] 
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 10:30 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Selling equipment
> 
> Alan has a good point, Ken. Unless you really need to sell 
> you LF eq, I would hold on to it. There may be times when 
> your work demands such equipment. I suspect, too, that the 
> price such eq. would fetch may be less than would want. I 
> still keep my 35mm Nikons, for example.  -B
>

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Selling equipment

2004-02-10 by Chuck Peacock

My only advice would be to go to the Post Office and get CASH for the money
order before (or as) you send the merchandise.

Fraudulent Postal Money Orders abound.

Chuck Peacock
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: awahlster [mailto:awahlster@...]
  Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 1:42 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Selling equipment


  I'm curious having been involved in almost 1000 auctions on ebay in
  the last 4 years how would a person selling camera equipment "get
  scammed"? As far as I can figure out the seller determins how they
  will accept payment. A Postal Money order is pretty dad gum safe the
  MO arrives and you put the item in the mail and off it goes while you
  spend the money. If the New world of Paypal and things like ordering
  items over the internet scares you stick with the Postal Money order
  I've bought items from 11 different countries and sold to 2 dozen the
  only person who never paid me was over a ten dollar item he was in
  the states. I got a negitive for that one! 99.9% of the stuff I have
  bought I was happy when the box was opened the other times I either
  got mmy money back and returned the item or got screwed but never for
  more then 20-30 bucks. So who would be doing the scamming.

  Mark W.




  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Peacock"
  <cpeacock@c...> wrote:
  > You can always try KEH. (www.keh.com)
  >
  > You might not get as much money as on eBay, but you won't get
  scammed.
  >
  > Chuck Peacock
  >   -----Original Message-----
  >   From: Bob Michaels [mailto:bob@b...]
  >   Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 9:08 PM
  >   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  >   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Selling equipment
  >
  >
  >   Selling to someone online always has some element of the unknown.
  But
  >   E-Bay and it's subsidiary, PayPay, are about as trustworthy as
  you can
  >   get. They are just too big and too successful to have any
  interest in
  >   ripping you or me off for what little we have. All the risk is in
  the
  >   seller's description of condition, but that was always the case.
  >
  >   But if you have a lower cost 4x5 field camera and/or lens,
  contact me
  >   off list.
  >
  >   Bob Michaels
  >
  >   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Carney"
  >   <kcarney1@c...> wrote:
  >   > Hello all.  Now that I'm firmly entrenched in desktop
  printmaking, I'm
  >   > thinking about selling my large format gear to make way for,
  what
  >   appears to
  >   > be, the inevitable transition to digital capture.  Truth be
  told, I
  >   haven't
  >   > used the LF stuff for a while, having warmed up to 35mm.  Now
  the
  >   lure of a
  >   > high-end digital SLR with instant gratification is strong.  My
  >   question is
  >   > whether there are reliable places besides ebay on the
  internet.  I don't
  >   > really trust ebay/paypal (I see to open a seller account they
  want
  >   my bank
  >   > account number in addition to a credit card number.  I know ---
  >   everytime I
  >   > write a check someone has my bank account number, but still it
  >   doesn't sound
  >   > right, and I've heard lots of horror stories, defrauded once
  there
  >   > myself...).  More to the point, a search for LF equipment on
  ebay today
  >   > resulted in pretty slim pickings.  My search skills are probably
  >   just off
  >   > today, but I couldn't come up with alternatives.  Any advice
  >   appreciated!
  >   >
  >   > Regards,
  >   >
  >   >   --Ken Carney
  >   >     www.kencarney.com
  >
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RE: [Digital BW] Selling equipment

2004-02-10 by JimD

It happened within the past 3 months.
-JimD

At 08:22 AM 2/9/2004, Jake Hellbach wrote:
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>Jim,
>Did this happen recently?
>Thanks,
>Jake
>
>
>Jake Hellbach Photography
>www.jakehellbachphoto.com
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: JimD [mailto:rasterdogs@...]
>   Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:46 AM
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Cc: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com; Ken Carney
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Selling equipment
>
>
>   I'm not real fond of Ebay and PayPal.
>
>   We no longer use PayPal nor Ebay as we actually experienced the problem
>   that Ken was uncomfortable with. Someone hacked our
>   Paypal account to 'charge' thousands of dollars of
>   photo equipment purchases, ostensibly through Ebay.
>
>   It was pure providence that my wife checked
>   our PayPal account on the morning this activity was taking place.
>   We deactivated our bank account and limited the loss.
>
>   Be careful out there,
>   JimD
>
>
>
>
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Re: Selling equipment

2004-02-10 by smthopr2000

I've bought a couple of cameras on ebay.

While buying can be a leap of faith, I only bid on cameras after talking wi=
th the seller 
by phone.

I asked the sellers how they purchased the camera and how they had used it.=
 If they 
were not photo enthusiasts or an established and reputable dealer, I didn't=
 bid.

By determining that the seller was very familiar with the camera, I believe=
d they 
actually had one for sale. Once, I checked the reverse telephone directory =
at Verizon 
to determine that the phone number was listed by the seller and  I also wro=
te down 
his mailing address. This helped satisfy me that I knew who he was and wher=
e to find 
him if necessary.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "maggieradlick" 
<pradlick@p...> wrote:
> Hi All, I too have purchased many things for my photography habit 
> from ebay quite successfully.  However, early in the game I was a 
> victim of a fraud for about $1000 involving my attempt to purchase a 
> camera from what appeared to be a very well respected long time 
> seller.  That seller had his ebay account hacked into by an 
> international ring of thieves.  They used his reputation and id for 
> support and I was asked to wire them the money via a wire service.  
> Thinking them to be legitimate I complied.  They took the money and I 
> never got the camera.  Later I found an item on ebay telling us all 
> not to purchase this kind of camera this way because of the fraud 
> potential.  It did not prevent me from continuing to buy on ebay
it
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> just made me very cautious about each transaction. 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks to all for your posts in general.   Your generosity with your 
> knowledge is most appreciated by one who is just now learning how to 
> work with black and white digitally to produce fine images.
> 
>  
> 
> Phil Radlick
>

OFF TOPIC THREAD was: Selling equipment

2004-02-10 by Martin Wesley

While selling equipment is something we are all faced with from time to time
it really is not an appropriate topic for this forum, certainly not at this
length. Please wrap this up or take it off list. Let's try and keep things
focused on the topic.

Thanks,
Martin Wesley
Group Moderator

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