Digital BW, The Print

I recently installed a UT2 inkset in a new factory rebuilt Epson 1280 
printer. When I print using Slider Controls or curves, I get very 
uneven distribution of densities at the light and dark ends of the 
scale as measured with a X-RITE 810 densitometer;

Light		Density
0%		0.09
5%		0.11
10%		0.14
15%		0.18
Dark		Density
85%		1.71
90%		2.05
95%		2.23
100%		2.24

Between 20-80% the distribution is relatively even. Using curves, the 
distribution is even worse. I have reviewed the latest instructions 
on the MIS website and I believe I'm following them pretty closely. 
Any suggestions as to what the problem might be?

I have some slider setting for glossy paper, UT2 & 1280 at 
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT2-Readme.htm .

Be sure the settings are as set out in that Readme file.

Let me know if MIS has different settings.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
__________________________

-----Original Message-----
From: rbehr2001 [mailto:rsbehr@...] 
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 9:38 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Problem with UT2 / 1280

I recently installed a UT2 inkset in a new factory rebuilt Epson 1280 
printer. When I print using Slider Controls or curves, I get very 
uneven distribution of densities at the light and dark ends of the 
scale as measured with a X-RITE 810 densitometer;

Light		Density
0%		0.09
5%		0.11
10%		0.14
15%		0.18
Dark		Density
85%		1.71
90%		2.05
95%		2.23
100%		2.24

Between 20-80% the distribution is relatively even. Using curves, the 
distribution is even worse. I have reviewed the latest instructions 
on the MIS website and I believe I'm following them pretty closely. 
Any suggestions as to what the problem might be?




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Instructions and slider positions are the same as I used as the MIS 
site.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> I have some slider setting for glossy paper, UT2 & 1280 at 
> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT2-Readme.htm .
> 
> Be sure the settings are as set out in that Readme file.
> 
> Let me know if MIS has different settings.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> __________________________
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rbehr2001 [mailto:rsbehr@h...] 
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 9:38 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Problem with UT2 / 1280
> 
> I recently installed a UT2 inkset in a new factory rebuilt Epson 
1280 
> printer. When I print using Slider Controls or curves, I get very 
> uneven distribution of densities at the light and dark ends of the 
> scale as measured with a X-RITE 810 densitometer;
> 
> Light		Density
> 0%		0.09
> 5%		0.11
> 10%		0.14
> 15%		0.18
> Dark		Density
> 85%		1.71
> 90%		2.05
> 95%		2.23
> 100%		2.24
> 
> Between 20-80% the distribution is relatively even. Using curves, 
the 
> distribution is even worse. I have reviewed the latest instructions 
> on the MIS website and I believe I'm following them pretty closely. 
> Any suggestions as to what the problem might be?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I'd re-check the settings and be sure there is no embedded profile in the
file that is being printed.

I don't have an easy way to check ink densities or positions.  It sounds
like the positions must be OK.  If not you'd have more serious problems.

What paper are you using?

Paul
_____________

-----Original Message-----
From: rbehr2001 [mailto:rsbehr@...] 
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 2:45 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Problem with UT2 / 1280

Instructions and slider positions are the same as I used as the MIS 
site.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> I have some slider setting for glossy paper, UT2 & 1280 at 
> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT2-Readme.htm .
> 
> Be sure the settings are as set out in that Readme file.
> 
> Let me know if MIS has different settings.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> __________________________
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rbehr2001 [mailto:rsbehr@h...] 
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 9:38 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Problem with UT2 / 1280
> 
> I recently installed a UT2 inkset in a new factory rebuilt Epson 
1280 
> printer. When I print using Slider Controls or curves, I get very 
> uneven distribution of densities at the light and dark ends of the 
> scale as measured with a X-RITE 810 densitometer;
> 
> Light		Density
> 0%		0.09
> 5%		0.11
> 10%		0.14
> 15%		0.18
> Dark		Density
> 85%		1.71
> 90%		2.05
> 95%		2.23
> 100%		2.24
> 
> Between 20-80% the distribution is relatively even. Using curves, 
the 
> distribution is even worse. I have reviewed the latest instructions 
> on the MIS website and I believe I'm following them pretty closely. 
> Any suggestions as to what the problem might be?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
resources as
> they are often being updated.
> 
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B&W
> printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be 
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Owner and
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> "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE 
LIABLE TO YOU
> FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR 
EXEMPLARY
> DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS,
> GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF 
THE  "OWNER" AND
> "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED 
OF THE
> POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE 
INABILITY
> TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED 
ACCESS TO OR
> ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR 
CONDUCT OF ANY
> THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY 
OTHER
> MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links



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"MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE
POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY
TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR
ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY
THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER
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Paul,

I'm working with preloaded cartridges from MIS so ink 
density/position should not be a problem.

When I go to "assign profile" (in Photoshop CS) the "don't color 
manage this document" is checked which seems to indicate no profiles. 
Also, the values are as indicated, i.e. 90%=90%, 80%=80%, etc., on 
the info palette.

I'll recheck everything in the morning. I'm using Epson Premium 
Semigloss PP. I'll also try a different paper. 

Bob

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> I'd re-check the settings and be sure there is no embedded profile 
in the
> file that is being printed.
> 
> I don't have an easy way to check ink densities or positions.  It 
sounds
> like the positions must be OK.  If not you'd have more serious 
problems.
> 
> What paper are you using?
> 
> Paul
> _____________
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rbehr2001 [mailto:rsbehr@h...] 
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 2:45 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Problem with UT2 / 1280
> 
> Instructions and slider positions are the same as I used as the MIS 
> site.
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> > I have some slider setting for glossy paper, UT2 & 1280 at 
> > http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT2-Readme.htm .
> > 
> > Be sure the settings are as set out in that Readme file.
> > 
> > Let me know if MIS has different settings.
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com 
> > __________________________
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rbehr2001 [mailto:rsbehr@h...] 
> > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 9:38 AM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Problem with UT2 / 1280
> > 
> > I recently installed a UT2 inkset in a new factory rebuilt Epson 
> 1280 
> > printer. When I print using Slider Controls or curves, I get very 
> > uneven distribution of densities at the light and dark ends of 
the 
> > scale as measured with a X-RITE 810 densitometer;
> > 
> > Light		Density
> > 0%		0.09
> > 5%		0.11
> > 10%		0.14
> > 15%		0.18
> > Dark		Density
> > 85%		1.71
> > 90%		2.05
> > 95%		2.23
> > 100%		2.24
> > 
> > Between 20-80% the distribution is relatively even. Using curves, 
> the 
> > distribution is even worse. I have reviewed the latest 
instructions 
> > on the MIS website and I believe I'm following them pretty 
closely. 
> > Any suggestions as to what the problem might be?

Bob,

I found my Premium Semigloss test strips with the settings that are in my
UT2 Readme file. As the Readme file indicates, and somewhat consistent with
your readings, the first/lightest 3 steps are lighter and lower in contrast
than my target densities.  I measure the paper base (0%) at 0.05, 5% = 0.08,
10% = 0.11, and 15% = 0.14, which is my target for 10%, not 15%.  After this
the steps have normal and then higher than normal contrast.  At the dark end
I originally had 2.40 at 100% and 2.0 at 95%.  These have now dropped to
2.14 and 1.93, which is still reasonably good.


The densities you reported were:

 
> Light		Density
> 0%		0.09
> 5%		0.11
> 10%		0.14
> 15%		0.18
> Dark		Density
> 85%		1.71
> 90%		2.05
> 95%		2.23
> 100%		2.24
> ...


I'd guess your system is working about like mine at the light end, but the
dark end seems to be giving significantly different results.  The steps on
my tests strips at the dark end appear to be well separated.


Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

For UT2 information, curves, and settings see:
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/

Paul,

Sounds like my problems might be a combination of the original curve 
being slightly off and minor printer differences. I'm going to switch 
to Eboni for Matt and Gloss, retry with Eboni Curves and then fine 
tune the results for my printer. Thanks so much for the help. 

Bob


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Bob,
> 
> I found my Premium Semigloss test strips with the settings that are 
in my
> UT2 Readme file. As the Readme file indicates, and somewhat 
consistent with
> your readings, the first/lightest 3 steps are lighter and lower in 
contrast
> than my target densities.  I measure the paper base (0%) at 0.05, 
5% = 0.08,
> 10% = 0.11, and 15% = 0.14, which is my target for 10%, not 15%.  
After this
> the steps have normal and then higher than normal contrast.  At the 
dark end
> I originally had 2.40 at 100% and 2.0 at 95%.  These have now 
dropped to
> 2.14 and 1.93, which is still reasonably good.
> 
> 
> The densities you reported were:
> 
>  
> > Light		Density
> > 0%		0.09
> > 5%		0.11
> > 10%		0.14
> > 15%		0.18
> > Dark		Density
> > 85%		1.71
> > 90%		2.05
> > 95%		2.23
> > 100%		2.24
> > ...
> 
> 
> I'd guess your system is working about like mine at the light end, 
but the
> dark end seems to be giving significantly different results.  The 
steps on

> my tests strips at the dark end appear to be well separated.
> 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> For UT2 information, curves, and settings see:
> http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/