2001-10-16 by Robert G. Morrison
Jack...you're hired...you can do the official Inkhaus tour posters! The
pays not great...but hey...you get a free coating at every concert.
$^)>
Robert
On 10/16/01 8:05 AM, "JackG" <jackg@...> wrote:
>> SNIP<:
> Hi Steadman,
>
> : Portrait photographs done by commercial portrait studios seem to fall into
> a category all by themselves.
>
> This is true, I'm trying to relate some things that might apply to both.
>
> The standards and practices are vastly different from the bulk of
> traditional B&W photographers or even the "Fine Art" photographers.
>
> Again I agree, their work is much more difficult than mine. I tried a
> process some years back that used a slide projector, rear projector screen
> and a sheet of special mottled plastic. I took some slides that I had made
> in Paris, projected it onto the rear screen and re-photographed it with a
> Hasselblad through the plastic. What I was trying to achieve at the time was
> an impressionistic "Monet look". I used them for Christmas cards, thank you
> notes, etc. I found one of the cards last week and scanned it on a Microtek
> flatbed scanner. I then cleaned up some things that I didn't like with a Mac
> G-4 using PS 6, added a black border and made a copy on Epson heavy weight
> matt useing an Epson 1270. I then tore the edges, filled in the white spots
> from the tear with a black magic marker and float mounted it on a piece of
> black mount board. A lot of work, certainly a lot more than photographing
> someone's child and then sending it off to a Pro lab to do all the grunt
> work at my direction.
>
>
> : Given your experience with "commercial" coating of large (I assume 16x20
> or so) images done by a third party (pro lab?) why do you continue to avoid
> glass? I follow your experience below..but it would seem to beg for glass
> if you have to replace photos that were damaged by externals or even
> coatings.
>
> I mentioned the kid with the ball point pen as a kind of "tongue in cheek"
> experience. It is the only time I have had to replace a print from that kind
> of damage.
> Being as this is a discussion on B&W digital, I'm trying to not get too far
> into traditional color prints. But here goes, I agree with Robert, I hate
> glass. I only use it for prints that are matted and have to have it or the
> Iris/watercolor prints that need it for protection. Every traditional color
> print from a 5x5 machine original to a custom 30x40 is sprayed with a water
> based protective spray. I do not give my clients an option on this, it needs
> it in my opinion. To my knowledge, I have never had a problem with spray on
> a traditional color print. It was the traditional B&W prints that were
> ruined. They used to use a laquer spray but they damn near burned the whole
> lab down from a fire in the spray room and then they switched to the water
> based spray.
>
> Back to black and white digital, after some valuable instructions on how to
> get a good scanned B&W print last week.
> I went back to an older file that I was unhappy with because of the dots and
> reprinted it. Wow it looked great.
> This week I scanned a trad. B&W 5x7 glossy to reprint on my 1270 and even
> after using the same instructions given to me before, it looked like crap.
> So yes I totally agree, B&W digital is a lot harder than traditional studio
> work.
>
> Regards,
>
> John in Okc
> : Steadman
> : ----- Original Message -----
> : From: JackG
> : To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> : Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 6:51 AM
> : Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Glass vs. Coating
> :
> :
> : Good Morning Steadman,
> :
> : While all of the color prints we sell are coated, it is not for U.V.
> : protection. When we started doing/having this done years ago, the
> : manufacturer claimed U V protection. Years later they retracted or at
> least
> : did not make those claims any more. I recommend people not use glass on
> most
> : of the color portraits we sell. Of course we tell people that we
> guarantee
> : our prints.........had to replace one because of a child poking a ball
> point
> : pen on it, so glass has it's place. Now B&W silver prints are a
> different
> : story if extensive retouching has been done. On inkjet prints, I
> definitely
> : feel they need protection of some sort, I agree with you that glass is
> : probably the best. As you recall, I have had very, very bad things
> happen
> : with prints other than color that have been sprayed.
> :
> : Regards,
> :
> : John in Okc
> : ----- Original Message -----
> : From: "Steadman Uhlich" <steadmanuhlich@...>
> : To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> : Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 11:37 PM
> : Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Glass vs. Coating
> :
> :
> : : Yeah...I have an opinion on this very subject....
> : :
> : : I think the coating idea is a good one for certain effect and certain
> : needs.
> : :
> : : However, I believe (and it is a gut feeling) that it would be better
> to
> : put most Piezo prints behind UV blocking glass. I checked tonight and
> the
> : manufacturer of my glass states 97% UV rays blocked. I bet that is
> better
> : than a typical home sprayed on misting of a polymer that has "some" UV
> : agents in it.
> : :
> : <big snip>
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