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Scanner suggestions?

Scanner suggestions?

2004-10-02 by ehud_yaniv

Hi all,

I am a film shooter that needs to create digital negatives for 
contact printing using alt-photo techniques.

The problem is that I shott 35mm film and need to create negatives of 
up to 8" x 10" or larger for contact printing.

I will be using an Epson 1290 for the negative output but am stuck on 
the input side of the equation.

Right now I am leaning towards the Nikon Coolscan V ED ($ 899.00 CAD) 
as it seems to have the colour depth and resolution I need for my 
output sizes.

Do you folks have any suggestions about this purchase?  Is this a 
good scanner - in real life use?  Can it meet my needs.

I am using the digital negative techniques developed by Mark Nelson 
in his ebook, Precision Digital Negatives.

Thanks for any help or advice.

Ehud
circlesofconfusion.ca

Re: Scanner suggestions?

2004-10-02 by Andre

The Nikon Coolscan V is an excellent 35mm scanner. The build quality
is the same as the higher priced Coolscan 5000, and the imaging is
just as good. Only in dense shadows will the 5000 fare slighly better
and I emphasize slightly.

The Nikon software that comes with it is also excellent: is has GEM
for noise/grain reduction and digital ICE for dusting. Others will
prefer Vuescan. 

Scans of FP4+ (35mm) when printed at 16"x20" resemble same size prints
from 400 ISO MF films. BTW, I found that FP4+ is about the easiest
film to scan with this scanner.

YMMV,

André Moreau

Re: Scanner suggestions?

2004-10-03 by ehud_yaniv

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Andre" 
<am1000@v...> wrote:
> 
> The Nikon Coolscan V is an excellent 35mm scanner. The build quality
> is the same as the higher priced Coolscan 5000, and the imaging is
> just as good. Only in dense shadows will the 5000 fare slighly 
better
> and I emphasize slightly.
> 
> The Nikon software that comes with it is also excellent: is has GEM
> for noise/grain reduction and digital ICE for dusting. Others will
> prefer Vuescan. 
> 
> Scans of FP4+ (35mm) when printed at 16"x20" resemble same size 
prints
> from 400 ISO MF films. BTW, I found that FP4+ is about the easiest
> film to scan with this scanner.
> 
> YMMV,
> 
> André Moreau

Thanks, this is what I suspected but being new to the digital end, at 
least for graphics, I thought I should check.

Ehud
circlesofconfusion.ca

RE: [Digital BW] Scanner suggestions?

2004-10-04 by Ken Carney

What alt process will you use?  If it is pt/pd you will probably be better
off with high-res imagesetter negs, if you can still find a prepress that
has that level of imagesetter and will accommodate you.  If it is a less
demanding process, the inkjet neg will probably work fine. If it is pt/pd
you will likely find that the simplest approach is just taking an in-camera
8x10 neg and developing for the process, e.g., Rollo pyro.  I have also seen
beautiful 20x24" pd prints made from 6x7cm negs enlarged to 20x24" negs in
the darkroom (www.davidmichaelkennedy.com (the original website).  He uses
pure palladium and double coats.  Time-consuming, but great and far better
than any inkjet neg.  Also checkout www.tommillea.com.  He prints pt with
enlarged negs from 35mm.  I have had the opportunity to go through his
master prints and larger 20x24" prints and they are all that one could want.

To your question, I have a Nikon 4000ED and it is excellent.  The latest
Nikon scanning software is very good, all you'll likely need.  The Digital
Ice feature is handy to remove dust spots, but does not work with silver b&w
film (only with slides other than Kodachrome and with C41 negs).  However,
what I and my friends are running up against is that the scanned neg is not
as sharp and clear as the image from a good digital SLR camera with the best
glass (e.g., Canon 1dMk2).  

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ehud_yaniv [mailto:eyaniv@...] 
> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 3:30 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Scanner suggestions?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am a film shooter that needs to create digital negatives 
> for contact printing using alt-photo techniques.
> 
> The problem is that I shott 35mm film and need to create 
> negatives of up to 8" x 10" or larger for contact printing.
> 
> I will be using an Epson 1290 for the negative output but am 
> stuck on the input side of the equation.
> 
> Right now I am leaning towards the Nikon Coolscan V ED ($ 
> 899.00 CAD) as it seems to have the colour depth and 
> resolution I need for my output sizes.
> 
> Do you folks have any suggestions about this purchase?  Is 
> this a good scanner - in real life use?  Can it meet my needs.
> 
> I am using the digital negative techniques developed by Mark 
> Nelson in his ebook, Precision Digital Negatives.
> 
> Thanks for any help or advice.
> 
> Ehud
> circlesofconfusion.ca
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> 
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Scanner suggestions?

2004-10-04 by Andre

A few years ago when looking for directions to digital printing, I had
corresponded with Tom Millea. At that time he was working with 35mm,
Scala, a Polaroid SS35+ and an Epson Photo EX, I think. 

He told of how it was great to get out of the darkroom, away from the
chemicals and he'd be working with Photoshop and enjoying the view
from where he was sitting at the computer and at the same time making
b&w prints. And when the Epson 1160 became available I acquired one
along with a PiezographyBW CIS.

Although there have been considerable progress since, I'm sure his
early digital prints still hold their own today and he certainly did
not complain about them not being sharp as they originated from
scanned negatives. 

And, I'm sure there's a world of difference between this early
Polaroid scanner and a Nikon Coolscan V.

André Moreau

RE: [Digital BW] Scanner suggestions?

2004-10-07 by Ehud Yaniv

Thanks for the links.

At first I plan on doing Cyanotypes but I expect to move up to Platinum
eventually with stops in gum along the way.  At the moment there are no firm
plans.

I have been told that I will have good success enlarging my negatives up to
10 x 12 with little degradation but that depends on my curves and the output
device I use.  Using an image setter will not be an option where I live.

I am now struggling with the output portion of the equation.  I can afford
an Epson 1280 or 1290 but not much more due to the cost of the scanner and
the fact that I just recently bought a new camera system.

Any thoughts about the printer or of a better option in that price range - $
600.00 CAD.

Ehud
circlesofconfusion.ca
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Carney [mailto:kcarney1@...]
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 5:14 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Scanner suggestions?



What alt process will you use?  If it is pt/pd you will probably be better
off with high-res imagesetter negs, if you can still find a prepress that
has that level of imagesetter and will accommodate you.  If it is a less
demanding process, the inkjet neg will probably work fine. If it is pt/pd
you will likely find that the simplest approach is just taking an in-camera
8x10 neg and developing for the process, e.g., Rollo pyro.  I have also seen
beautiful 20x24" pd prints made from 6x7cm negs enlarged to 20x24" negs in
the darkroom (www.davidmichaelkennedy.com (the original website).  He uses
pure palladium and double coats.  Time-consuming, but great and far better
than any inkjet neg.  Also checkout www.tommillea.com.  He prints pt with
enlarged negs from 35mm.  I have had the opportunity to go through his
master prints and larger 20x24" prints and they are all that one could want.

To your question, I have a Nikon 4000ED and it is excellent.  The latest
Nikon scanning software is very good, all you'll likely need.  The Digital
Ice feature is handy to remove dust spots, but does not work with silver b&w
film (only with slides other than Kodachrome and with C41 negs).  However,
what I and my friends are running up against is that the scanned neg is not
as sharp and clear as the image from a good digital SLR camera with the best
glass (e.g., Canon 1dMk2).

Regards,

  --Ken Carney
    www.kencarney.com



> -----Original Message-----
> From: ehud_yaniv [mailto:eyaniv@...]
> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 3:30 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Scanner suggestions?
>
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am a film shooter that needs to create digital negatives
> for contact printing using alt-photo techniques.
>
> The problem is that I shott 35mm film and need to create
> negatives of up to 8" x 10" or larger for contact printing.
>
> I will be using an Epson 1290 for the negative output but am
> stuck on the input side of the equation.
>
> Right now I am leaning towards the Nikon Coolscan V ED ($
> 899.00 CAD) as it seems to have the colour depth and
> resolution I need for my output sizes.
>
> Do you folks have any suggestions about this purchase?  Is
> this a good scanner - in real life use?  Can it meet my needs.
>
> I am using the digital negative techniques developed by Mark
> Nelson in his ebook, Precision Digital Negatives.
>
> Thanks for any help or advice.
>
> Ehud
> circlesofconfusion.ca
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>
>
>
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