Digital BW, The Print

What is the procedure for the initial startup of the c86?

Have I read correctly that it is necessary to install the oem inks 
prior to the installation of the mis ink system?

Additonally, what papers should I be looking at with the EZ-N inks?

Any Assistance will be grealy appreciated.

Steve

According to MIS you should put the OEM inks in first to make sure the
printer's in working condition before putting in MIS inks.

Check Paul's webpages for papers.. Start with the cheap EEM papers.
Michael

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steve"
<fireofgodnow@y...> wrote:

> 
> What is the procedure for the initial startup of the c86?
> 
> Have I read correctly that it is necessary to install the oem inks 
> prior to the installation of the mis ink system?
> 
> Additonally, what papers should I be looking at with the EZ-N inks?
> 
> Any Assistance will be grealy appreciated.
> 
> Steve

I don't think it's necessary to start with the OEM inks, but doing so 
makes sure that the printer is functioning properly before you install 
the MIS inks.  If  for some reason the printer isn't working properly 
right out of the box, you can take it back/send it in for adjustment 
without any worries about having put the "wrong" ink in it.

I installed the OEM inks in my C84 before installing the MIS EZ inks.  
The ink path seems to be very short, so those color inks get purged 
pretty quickly after you do the switch.  I had beautiful monochrome 
prints within a page or two after installing the EZ inks.

I've tried several papers, but have settled on Epson Enhanced Matte as 
the best looking paper that's reasonably affordable.  (I make a lot of 
prints to give away as Christmas presents - did about 740 8x8 prints 
this year - so cost is a factor.  If I only did the occasional print for 
display I would explore the more expensive offerings, but I can't afford 
$1+/page at my volumes.)

Cheers,
Kip

Steve wrote:

>What is the procedure for the initial startup of the c86?
>
>Have I read correctly that it is necessary to install the oem inks 
>prior to the installation of the mis ink system?
>
>Additonally, what papers should I be looking at with the EZ-N inks?
>
>Any Assistance will be grealy appreciated.
>
>Steve
>  
>

Steve,

I didn't install the Epson ink.

I installed the MIS in a "virgin" C86.

If you do this, you may have to run a few cleanings before you get a 
good print.

If you do 3 cleanings in a row, make a print or 2 before running 
another cleaning cycle.

I used quite a bit of the "black" in before I had "trouble free" 
printing, but it was WELL worth it.

Also, I had to turn off "High Speed Printing".

I used Paul Roark's suggested starting point and the made one 
adjustment since.

Epson Premium Luster Photo Paper looks awesome (I'm a portrait 
photographer).

I'm going with the re-fillabe carts next. If you like the results, 
I'm sure you'll go with re-fillabe carts to.

Good luck and tell us what you think.

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" 
<fireofgodnow@y...> wrote:

> 
> What is the procedure for the initial startup of the c86?
> 
> Have I read correctly that it is necessary to install the oem inks 
> prior to the installation of the mis ink system?
> 
> Additonally, what papers should I be looking at with the EZ-N inks?
> 
> Any Assistance will be grealy appreciated.
> 
> Steve

Scott:

Thank you very much for the info. I am new to the digital domain. I have a canon g5; canon i 960 for color prints, and the c86 for b&w.

I am still getting the hang of the g5, and am looking forward to getting into b&w. That was always my first love.

Years ago I had a couple of nikon F's and bought tri x in 250 ft rolls, did my own processing, etc. 

The prospect of all of this being done without a darkroom is awesome.

One other quick question, not to ramble too much here, but I do not have photoshop.

I have an older computer that upgrading to xp isn't really a viable option.

I do have elements 2.0 and am considering picture window pro, since one does layers, and the other does curves.

Would that make sense (given the current budget), to at least begin learning the basics of digital editing etc. Also, am curious about the conversion to b&w.

Sorry to rant and ramble here. Any input you could give would be greatly appreciated.

 

Steve




		
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Steve,

I'm a terrible one to ask about curves. I never have any luck when 
using "curves" for adjustments. I have better luck using "levels".

I REALLY need to learn how to use "curves", as I know that will come 
in handy.


I don't know what "Picture Pro" is. I was at CompUSA today and 
happened to look for it while I was there, and didn't see it.

I'm sure others here will be able to help you with those two 
questions.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.


Scott


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Carpenter 
<fireofgodnow@y...> wrote:
> 
> Scott:
> 
> Thank you very much for the info. I am new to the digital domain. I 
have a canon g5; canon i 960 for color prints, and the c86 for b&w.
> 
> I am still getting the hang of the g5, and am looking forward to 
getting into b&w. That was always my first love.
> 
> Years ago I had a couple of nikon F's and bought tri x in 250 ft 
rolls, did my own processing, etc. 
> 
> The prospect of all of this being done without a darkroom is 
awesome.
> 
> One other quick question, not to ramble too much here, but I do not 
have photoshop.
> 
> I have an older computer that upgrading to xp isn't really a viable 
option.
> 
> I do have elements 2.0 and am considering picture window pro, since 
one does layers, and the other does curves.
> 
> Would that make sense (given the current budget), to at least begin 
learning the basics of digital editing etc. Also, am curious about 
the conversion to b&w.
> 
> Sorry to rant and ramble here. Any input you could give would be 
greatly appreciated.

> 
>  
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 		
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
>  Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Scott/Steve, if I may, my web site has an in-depth explanation of 
Photoshop Curves.  Go to http://www.zuberphotographics.com/, click on 
Quick Picks and then click on Curves.  Once I started using Curves, I 
find myself using it more often than Levels.  However, the Levels 
histogram is hard to beat.

Thomas

> Steve,
> 
> I'm a terrible one to ask about curves. I never have any luck when 
> using "curves" for adjustments. I have better luck using "levels".
> 
> I REALLY need to learn how to use "curves", as I know that will 
come 
> in handy.
> 
> 
> I don't know what "Picture Pro" is. I was at CompUSA today and 
> happened to look for it while I was there, and didn't see it.
> 
> I'm sure others here will be able to help you with those two 
> questions.
> 
> Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
> 
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve 
Carpenter 
> <fireofgodnow@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Scott:
> > 
> > Thank you very much for the info. I am new to the digital domain. 
I 
> have a canon g5; canon i 960 for color prints, and the c86 for b&w.
> > 
> > I am still getting the hang of the g5, and am looking forward to 
> getting into b&w. That was always my first love.
> > 
> > Years ago I had a couple of nikon F's and bought tri x in 250 ft 
> rolls, did my own processing, etc. 
> > 
> > The prospect of all of this being done without a darkroom is 
> awesome.
> > 
> > One other quick question, not to ramble too much here, but I do 
not 
> have photoshop.
> > 
> > I have an older computer that upgrading to xp isn't really a 
viable 
> option.
> > 
> > I do have elements 2.0 and am considering picture window pro, 
since 
> one does layers, and the other does curves.
> > 
> > Would that make sense (given the current budget), to at least 
begin 

> learning the basics of digital editing etc. Also, am curious about 
> the conversion to b&w.
> > 
> > Sorry to rant and ramble here. Any input you could give would be 
> greatly appreciated.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 		
> > ---------------------------------
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> >  Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Awesome, Thomas!

That's going to come in very handy.

I skimmed through it and then bookmarked it. I'll return when I have 
more time to open PS and experiment.

Very helpful.

Thank you,

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "rgb2bw" 
<jnk0941@e...> wrote:
> 
> Scott/Steve, if I may, my web site has an in-depth explanation of 
> Photoshop Curves.  Go to http://www.zuberphotographics.com/, click 
on 
> Quick Picks and then click on Curves.  Once I started using Curves, 
I 
> find myself using it more often than Levels.  However, the Levels 
> histogram is hard to beat.
> 
> Thomas
> 
> > Steve,
> > 
> > I'm a terrible one to ask about curves. I never have any luck 
when 
> > using "curves" for adjustments. I have better luck using "levels".
> > 
> > I REALLY need to learn how to use "curves", as I know that will 
> come 
> > in handy.
> > 
> > 
> > I don't know what "Picture Pro" is. I was at CompUSA today and 
> > happened to look for it while I was there, and didn't see it.
> > 
> > I'm sure others here will be able to help you with those two 
> > questions.
> > 
> > Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
> > 
> > 
> > Scott
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve 
> Carpenter 
> > <fireofgodnow@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Scott:
> > > 
> > > Thank you very much for the info. I am new to the digital 
domain. 
> I 
> > have a canon g5; canon i 960 for color prints, and the c86 for 
b&w.
> > > 
> > > I am still getting the hang of the g5, and am looking forward 
to 
> > getting into b&w. That was always my first love.
> > > 
> > > Years ago I had a couple of nikon F's and bought tri x in 250 
ft 
> > rolls, did my own processing, etc. 
> > > 
> > > The prospect of all of this being done without a darkroom is 
> > awesome.
> > > 
> > > One other quick question, not to ramble too much here, but I do 
> not 
> > have photoshop.
> > > 
> > > I have an older computer that upgrading to xp isn't really a 
> viable 
> > option.
> > > 
> > > I do have elements 2.0 and am considering picture window pro, 
> since 
> > one does layers, and the other does curves.
> > > 
> > > Would that make sense (given the current budget), to at least 
> begin 
> > learning the basics of digital editing etc. Also, am curious 
about 
> > the conversion to b&w.
> > > 
> > > Sorry to rant and ramble here. Any input you could give would 
be 

> > greatly appreciated.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Steve
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 		
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > >  Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks Scott.  It may not be obvious, but there are six sections on 
Curves.  A general discussion, anchor points, making adjustments, 
using the eyedroppers, color correction and a self administered test 
to help with comprehension.

Thomas

> 
> Awesome, Thomas!
> 
> That's going to come in very handy.
> 
> I skimmed through it and then bookmarked it. I'll return when I 
have 
> more time to open PS and experiment.
> 
> Very helpful.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Scott
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "rgb2bw" 
> <jnk0941@e...> wrote:
> > 
> > Scott/Steve, if I may, my web site has an in-depth explanation of 
> > Photoshop Curves.  Go to http://www.zuberphotographics.com/, 
click 
> on 
> > Quick Picks and then click on Curves.  Once I started using 
Curves, 
> I 
> > find myself using it more often than Levels.  However, the Levels 
> > histogram is hard to beat.
> > 
> > Thomas
> > 
> > > Steve,
> > > 
> > > I'm a terrible one to ask about curves. I never have any luck 
> when 
> > > using "curves" for adjustments. I have better luck 
using "levels".
> > > 
> > > I REALLY need to learn how to use "curves", as I know that will 
> > come 
> > > in handy.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I don't know what "Picture Pro" is. I was at CompUSA today and 
> > > happened to look for it while I was there, and didn't see it.
> > > 
> > > I'm sure others here will be able to help you with those two 
> > > questions.
> > > 
> > > Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Scott
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve 
> > Carpenter 
> > > <fireofgodnow@y...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Scott:
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you very much for the info. I am new to the digital 
> domain. 
> > I 
> > > have a canon g5; canon i 960 for color prints, and the c86 for 
> b&w.
> > > > 
> > > > I am still getting the hang of the g5, and am looking forward 
> to 
> > > getting into b&w. That was always my first love.
> > > > 
> > > > Years ago I had a couple of nikon F's and bought tri x in 250 
> ft 
> > > rolls, did my own processing, etc. 
> > > > 
> > > > The prospect of all of this being done without a darkroom is 
> > > awesome.
> > > > 
> > > > One other quick question, not to ramble too much here, but I 
do 

> > not 
> > > have photoshop.
> > > > 
> > > > I have an older computer that upgrading to xp isn't really a 
> > viable 
> > > option.
> > > > 
> > > > I do have elements 2.0 and am considering picture window pro, 
> > since 
> > > one does layers, and the other does curves.
> > > > 
> > > > Would that make sense (given the current budget), to at least 
> > begin 
> > > learning the basics of digital editing etc. Also, am curious 
> about 
> > > the conversion to b&w.
> > > > 
> > > > Sorry to rant and ramble here. Any input you could give would 
> be 
> > > greatly appreciated.
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Steve
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 		
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > >  Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.
> > > > 
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]