Digital BW, The Print

I'm looking for a cold-tone pigment ink set that I can use in an Epson 4800.  I would 
prefer a greyscale workflow in Photoshop so I'm thinking one of the solutions with an 
external RIP would be ideal.

However, I have read several reviews that say that the (very expensive!) Piezography inks 
for the 4800 are not really neutral; they're more warm-tone.  Since I do mostly night work, 
that definitely won't do.  And I cannot seem to figure out whether any of the MIS ink sets 
will work -- I see sets for the 2400 that should work with the QuadTone RIP, and sets for 
the older 17" and larger printers, e.g. the 4000, but nothing for the 4800.

I realize there may be a bulk ink solution but I'm having a heck of a time figuring out what 
it would be, since if I tell Inksupply's cartridge finder I want everything suitable for the 
4800 it actually gives me at least two contradictory sets of empty MIS cartridges, one of 
which I'm pretty sure won't fit.  Also, I can't figure out if the chips in these cartridges can 
be reset, and if so how -- at $40 per, it could get pretty pricy if not.

If it's possible to use the MIS inks with this printer, that seems like a nice option.  If so, 
could someone maybe offer me a complete shopping list?  Or if the Piezography solution 
isn't as warm-tone as I've heard, perhaps that would work too; I'd appreciate comments.

Thanks!

Thor

>I'm looking for a cold-tone pigment ink set that I can use in 
>an Epson 4800. 

See my notes at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/2400.pdf 

>I would prefer a greyscale workflow in Photoshop so I'm 
>thinking one of the solutions with an 
>external RIP would be ideal.

ABW also works fine with the Y = EZW, but the "neutral" position will print
cooler with no high gamut yellow in the mix.  This will give you the easiest
control and fastest printing, but it does not give as much control as a rip.


Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> 
> >I'm looking for a cold-tone pigment ink set that I can use in 
> >an Epson 4800. 
> 
> See my notes at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/2400.pdf 

Thanks, Paul. The only thing is, I still can't figure out how to get
any of these inks into cartridges for the 4800.  Inkjetsupply's pages
for the MIS inks don't list any of them in 4800 cartridges, and their
cartridge finder lists empty carts that I believe are incompatible
with the printer -- cartridges for the "4000/7600/9600".  Epson's
color carts for these models don't have the same part numbers as the
corresponding carts for the 4800...

Thor

Check http://www.inkjetcarts.us
Mark

On Sep 28, 2007, at 8:33 AM, t_j_l_s wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm looking for a cold-tone pigment ink set that I can use in
>>> an Epson 4800.
>>
>> See my notes at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/2400.pdf
>
> Thanks, Paul. The only thing is, I still can't figure out how to get
> any of these inks into cartridges for the 4800.  Inkjetsupply's pages
> for the MIS inks don't list any of them in 4800 cartridges, and their
> cartridge finder lists empty carts that I believe are incompatible
> with the printer -- cartridges for the "4000/7600/9600".  Epson's
> color carts for these models don't have the same part numbers as the
> corresponding carts for the 4800...
>
> Thor
>
>
>
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I haven't used the Piezo K7 inks, but you could look at their  
Piezotone cool neutral set.

It is a three ink set that you pair with either of their Black ink  
options.

I use the Selenium and Carbon Sepia sets and mix them with QTR on a  
7600 and get great results.

If you want more control of the tone you can stick with the OEM inks  
and use Advanced Black and White, or I am sure Roark has some ideas.

James Haney



On Sep 27, 2007, at 5:32 PM, t_j_l_s wrote:

> I'm looking for a cold-tone pigment ink set that I can use in an  
> Epson 4800. I would
> prefer a greyscale workflow in Photoshop so I'm thinking one of the  
> solutions with an
> external RIP would be ideal.
>
> However, I have read several reviews that say that the (very  
> expensive!) Piezography inks
> for the 4800 are not really neutral; they're more warm-tone. Since  
> I do mostly night work,
> that definitely won't do. And I cannot seem to figure out whether  
> any of the MIS ink sets
> will work -- I see sets for the 2400 that should work with the  
> QuadTone RIP, and sets for
> the older 17" and larger printers, e.g. the 4000, but nothing for  
> the 4800.
>
> I realize there may be a bulk ink solution but I'm having a heck of  
> a time figuring out what
> it would be, since if I tell Inksupply's cartridge finder I want  
> everything suitable for the
> 4800 it actually gives me at least two contradictory sets of empty  
> MIS cartridges, one of
> which I'm pretty sure won't fit. Also, I can't figure out if the  
> chips in these cartridges can
> be reset, and if so how -- at $40 per, it could get pretty pricy if  
> not.
>
> If it's possible to use the MIS inks with this printer, that seems  
> like a nice option. If so,
> could someone maybe offer me a complete shopping list? Or if the  
> Piezography solution
> isn't as warm-tone as I've heard, perhaps that would work too; I'd  
> appreciate comments.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Thor
>
>
> 



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Hi Thor,

>> >I'm looking for a cold-tone pigment ink set that I can use in 
>> >an Epson 4800. 
> 
> >See my notes at http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/2400.pdf 

>... I still can't figure out how to get
>any of these inks into cartridges for the 4800.

This is MIS's response to the 4800 cartridge issue: 

"On the 4800 refill instructions, it will depend on the cartridges, but here
is a link to one style of cartridge, they are the same as 4000/7600/9600....

http://www.inksupply.com/9600.cfm "

I don't have a 4800, so I'm not able to comment on compatibility issues.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> 
wrote:

> ABW also works fine with the Y = EZW, but the "neutral" position will print
> cooler with no high gamut yellow in the mix.  This will give you the easiest
> control and fastest printing, but it does not give as much control as a rip.

It looks like I could probably also use this configuration with a RIP, though I guess I'd have 
quite a bit of profiling to do (and I have no color densitometer).  Since it would be very 
nice to be able to switch the printer back and forth between color and B&W use without 
changing all the inks, I might go this way -- I'm in the middle of a book project with 
another photographer who just lost access to the printer he was using for his color work, 
so one printer we could switch back and forth would be ideal.

I have figured out the cartridge issue.  The 4800 and 4000 are nearly identical *except* 
that the 4800 will recognize a "light light black" chip, so only the LLK cartridges are 
specific to the 4800.  Now I just need to figure out which EZ Warm ink I need to buy bulk 
and load into 4000/4800 Yellow cartridges.  The inksupply web page shows a differerent 
EZW bulk ink for each position in the printers they sell it for -- which one do I want?

Thanks!

Thor

Hi Thor,

>> ABW also works fine with the Y = EZW, but the "neutral" 
>> position will print cooler with no high gamut yellow in 
>>the mix. This will give you the easiest control and 
>>fastest printing, but it does not give as much control as a rip.

>It looks like I could probably also use this configuration with a RIP, ...

The main purpose of the Y=EZW approach was to allow people who liked the ABW
workflow to use that workflow yet have the advantages of the rip cutting out
all the extra color.  If you use a rip you'll be able to accomplish the same
thing with the full complement of color inks in the printer, but not being
used for B&W work.

> though I guess I'd have quite a bit of profiling to do 
>(and I have no color densitometer).

There may be profiles already made in the QTR rip that you can use.

> it would be very nice to be able to switch the printer back 
> and forth between color and B&W use without 
> changing all the inks, ...

QTR may be your best answer if it has the profiles you need already.

>... The inksupply web page shows a differ rent 
> EZW bulk ink for each position ...

All the EZ-W inks are the same. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com