Digital BW, The Print

Fellows,
there will probably be some people who are going to order the 
MIS Variable Mix Hexatones in order to install them on their 
1270/80/90 printers. I tried the same this week and actually killed 
my printer.
Though I don´t exactly know why this happened let me warn you 
not to make the same mistake (?):

What happened is, that after installing the CIS system my printer 
always reads the color cartridge as "e m p t y" though it is full.
It doesn´t matter if I put an   n e w   Epson cart in it or the CIS cart 
with the CIS chip. Even if I change the black and color chip of the 
CIS carts, the printer will read the color cart as empty and the 
black cart as "full" (so it is not a defective chip).
I even downloaded the MIS sofware reset program for Epson 
chips, but that didn´t fix the problem.

The only explanation I´ve got for this strange behaviour is, that 
the original Epson color cart actually   w a s   e m p t y   befor I 
installed the CIS system.
So before we find another reason: dont swap to CIS with 
"empty-reading" of your OEM carts.

Let me stress, that I´ve got two CIS systems from NoMoreCarts 
on my 1160s. They do very well.
The support of the company was excellent in this case. They 
answered my e-mails promptly, though it was daytime here in 
Germany - and they generously offered me a full refund without 
knowing, why I produced this mess (changing the Chips caused 
a messy ink spilling).

So I do recommend the CIS - but don´t install it, if your printer 
reads any cart empty.

Bernd

Bernd,

You mentioned a ink spill that occured during your installation of 
the CIS. Did any ink get onto the chips and/or onto the contact point 
that connect the chip to the printer's electronic?

The inks are carbon based and carbon is very nice conductor. If there 
is carbon in the printer side of the electronics you may have short 
circuit. You might try cleaning this are with some spray electrical 
contact cleaner. Something that you would fine in an electronics or 
computer store that sold elecronic components.

You also might be able to have Epson repair it.

Just some thoughts that might be of help.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., ruhrfoto@y... wrote:
> 
> 
> Fellows,
> there will probably be some people who are going to order the 
> MIS Variable Mix Hexatones in order to install them on their 
> 1270/80/90 printers. I tried the same this week and actually killed 
> my printer.
> Though I don´t exactly know why this happened let me warn you 
> not to make the same mistake (?):
> 
> What happened is, that after installing the CIS system my printer 
> always reads the color cartridge as "e m p t y" though it is full.
> It doesn´t matter if I put an   n e w   Epson cart in it or the CIS 
cart 
> with the CIS chip. Even if I change the black and color chip of the 
> CIS carts, the printer will read the color cart as empty and the 
> black cart as "full" (so it is not a defective chip).
> I even downloaded the MIS sofware reset program for Epson 
> chips, but that didn´t fix the problem.
> 
> The only explanation I´ve got for this strange behaviour is, that 
> the original Epson color cart actually   w a s   e m p t y   befor 
I 

> installed the CIS system.
> So before we find another reason: dont swap to CIS with 
> "empty-reading" of your OEM carts.
> 
> Let me stress, that I´ve got two CIS systems from NoMoreCarts 
> on my 1160s. They do very well.
> The support of the company was excellent in this case. They 
> answered my e-mails promptly, though it was daytime here in 
> Germany - and they generously offered me a full refund without 
> knowing, why I produced this mess (changing the Chips caused 
> a messy ink spilling).
> 
> So I do recommend the CIS - but don´t install it, if your printer 
> reads any cart empty.
> 
> Bernd

Martin,
thanks for your reply.

I will have a second look  for ink contamination, though this could 
hardly be the reason, because the problem existed before the 
ink spilling happened.
My Epson olor cart was empty. I then filled the new CIS system 
properly  - when I put them into the printer in their sealed virginity. 
After that cart changing, the printer went on to read the new CIS 
color cart empty.
As it could be a chip problem, I changed the CIS chips (black 
against color  - as they are identical), during this procedure the 
ink spilling happened. Even with the changed chips the color cart 
was red empty by the printerter.
Meanwhile Jerry told me that he switched to CIS after one of his 
Epson carts were empty without problems.
So I´m helpless, probably will send the printer to Epson and 
report on the problem later again.
Or are there other suggestions?

Thanks again
Bernd



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Martin Wesley" 
<mwesley250@e...> wrote:
> Bernd,
> 
> You mentioned a ink spill that occured during your installation 
of 
> the CIS. Did any ink get onto the chips and/or onto the contact 
point 
> that connect the chip to the printer's electronic?
> 
> The inks are carbon based and carbon is very nice conductor. 
If there 
> is carbon in the printer side of the electronics you may have 
short 
> circuit. You might try cleaning this are with some spray 
electrical 
> contact cleaner. Something that you would fine in an 
electronics or 
> computer store that sold elecronic components.
> 
> You also might be able to have Epson repair it.
> 
> Just some thoughts that might be of help.
> 
> Martin
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., ruhrfoto@y... wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Fellows,
> > there will probably be some people who are going to order 
the 
> > MIS Variable Mix Hexatones in order to install them on their 
> > 1270/80/90 printers. I tried the same this week and actually 
killed 
> > my printer.
> > Though I don´t exactly know why this happened let me warn 
you 
> > not to make the same mistake (?):
> > 
> > What happened is, that after installing the CIS system my 
printer 
> > always reads the color cartridge as "e m p t y" though it is full.
> > It doesn´t matter if I put an   n e w   Epson cart in it or the CIS 
> cart 
> > with the CIS chip. Even if I change the black and color chip of 
the 
> > CIS carts, the printer will read the color cart as empty and the 
> > black cart as "full" (so it is not a defective chip).
> > I even downloaded the MIS sofware reset program for Epson 
> > chips, but that didn´t fix the problem.
> > 
> > The only explanation I´ve got for this strange behaviour is, 
that 
> > the original Epson color cart actually   w a s   e m p t y   befor 
> I 
> > installed the CIS system.
> > So before we find another reason: dont swap to CIS with 
> > "empty-reading" of your OEM carts.
> > 
> > Let me stress, that I´ve got two CIS systems from 
NoMoreCarts 
> > on my 1160s. They do very well.
> > The support of the company was excellent in this case. They 
> > answered my e-mails promptly, though it was daytime here 
in 
> > Germany - and they generously offered me a full refund 
without 
> > knowing, why I produced this mess (changing the Chips 
caused 

> > a messy ink spilling).
> > 
> > So I do recommend the CIS - but don´t install it, if your printer 
> > reads any cart empty.
> > 
> > Bernd

Bernd,

It sounds like a failure in the printer that just happened to occur 
when installed the CIS but is really unrelated. I have had my 1270 
occasionally give me messages that I have not installed genuine Epson 
cartridges (even though they are!) and asks if I want to use them 
anyway. Clicking on yes has always got everything running fine.

I think that the chip detection may be a bit flaky in the 1270 and 
yours has perhaps died. Especially if it doesn't even recognize a 
real Epson cartridge.

Not good news if true but perhaps an explanation. However it turns 
out please keep us posted on your progress with the problem.

Martin


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., ruhrfoto@y... wrote:
> Martin,
> thanks for your reply.
> 
> I will have a second look  for ink contamination, though this could 
> hardly be the reason, because the problem existed before the 
> ink spilling happened.
> My Epson olor cart was empty. I then filled the new CIS system 
> properly  - when I put them into the printer in their sealed 
virginity. 
> After that cart changing, the printer went on to read the new CIS 
> color cart empty.
> As it could be a chip problem, I changed the CIS chips (black 
> against color  - as they are identical), during this procedure the 
> ink spilling happened. Even with the changed chips the color cart 
> was red empty by the printerter.
> Meanwhile Jerry told me that he switched to CIS after one of his 
> Epson carts were empty without problems.
> So I´m helpless, probably will send the printer to Epson and 
> report on the problem later again.
> Or are there other suggestions?
> 
> Thanks again
> Bernd
> 
> 
> 
(snip earlier)

Martin and everybody...
thanks again, nothing helped.
I fear you are right, and its a printer problem.
I got multiple advises by NoMoreCarts ( the service is absolut 
superior, never got this support before) - last advise was a 
factory reset procedure which failed to fix the problem.
I give up and send the printer to Epson.
Bernd