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ideas/opinions on quantizer and (VC) arpeggiator

2006-05-15 by levka0

Hi All,
I noticed and enjoyed the recent stream of ideas and proposals for new
modules, and although I did vote for most of them, I just wanted to
say that for me the following would really be most interesting.

1) a quantizer with 12 switches for each individual note, maybe with
gate inputs to switch each note on and off.

2) a voltage controlled arpeggiator with midi in, cv + gate out and VC
for selecting several patterns, and for gate length

If I remember well, there was also a discussion to implement some of
these features in the new Touch Keyboard control module, but I am not
sure if this is still on Dieter's list.

3) any new filter and VCO module would also be welcomed by me.

Best regards from Amsterdam,
Joost

Re: [Doepfer_a100] ideas/opinions on quantizer and (VC) arpeggiator

2006-05-16 by Florian Anwander

Hello Levka,


> 1) a quantizer with 12 switches for each individual note, maybe with
> gate inputs to switch each note on and off.
This is a very interesting suggestion.

> 2) a voltage controlled arpeggiator with midi in, cv + gate out and VC
> for selecting several patterns, and for gate length
Sorry to be annoying: please do this modular! The arpeggiator should 
have address inputs (4bit plus one Enable is enough) and the control 
section should be distributed to separate modules. This would make it 
possible to combine it with any other sequencing module.

Florian

Re: ideas/opinions on quantizer and (VC) arpeggiator

2006-05-17 by levka0

Dear Bakis, Florian

> > Sorry to be annoying: please do this modular! The
> > arpeggiator should 
> > have address inputs (4bit plus one Enable is enough)
> > and the control 
> > section should be distributed to separate modules.
> > This would make it 
> > possible to combine it with any other sequencing
> > module.

I do not yet understand completely what Florian means by this;
Florian; Could you perhaps elaborate a little on this ? 

Myself, I was thinking about manual + VC for: 
1) direction (up/down/up+down/random)
2) octave (1/2/3)
3) gate length (0-100%)

midi-in & thru, 
CV + gate out, perhaps directly switchable to the system bus ?

Best regards
Joost




--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
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>
> hello florian, levka,
> any more details in the VC arpegiator module, in order
> for me to make a poll about it?
> regards,
> Bakis.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@...>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Levka,
> > 
> > 
> > > 1) a quantizer with 12 switches for each
> > individual note, maybe with
> > > gate inputs to switch each note on and off.
> > This is a very interesting suggestion.
> > 
> > > 2) a voltage controlled arpeggiator with midi in,
> > cv + gate out and VC
> > > for selecting several patterns, and for gate
> > length
> > Sorry to be annoying: please do this modular! The
> > arpeggiator should 
> > have address inputs (4bit plus one Enable is enough)
> > and the control 
> > section should be distributed to separate modules.
> > This would make it 
> > possible to combine it with any other sequencing
> > module.
> > 
> > Florian
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] ideas/opinions on quantizer and (VC) arpeggiator

2006-05-17 by Bakis Sirros

hello florian, levka,
any more details in the VC arpegiator module, in order
for me to make a poll about it?
regards,
Bakis.





--- Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
wrote:

> Hello Levka,
> 
> 
> > 1) a quantizer with 12 switches for each
> individual note, maybe with
> > gate inputs to switch each note on and off.
> This is a very interesting suggestion.
> 
> > 2) a voltage controlled arpeggiator with midi in,
> cv + gate out and VC
> > for selecting several patterns, and for gate
> length
> Sorry to be annoying: please do this modular! The
> arpeggiator should 
> have address inputs (4bit plus one Enable is enough)
> and the control 
> section should be distributed to separate modules.
> This would make it 
> possible to combine it with any other sequencing
> module.
> 
> Florian
> 
> 


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http://www.myspace.com/parallelworldsmusic
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Re: ideas/opinions on quantizer and (VC) arpeggiator

2006-05-17 by mritenburg

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "levka0" <levka@...> wrote:
> Myself, I was thinking about manual + VC for: 
> 1) direction (up/down/up+down/random)
> 2) octave (1/2/3)
> 3) gate length (0-100%)

How is this different than the A154/A155/A156 combination?

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: ideas/opinions on quantizer and (VC) arpeggiator

2006-05-17 by Florian Anwander

Hi Levka

> I do not yet understand completely what Florian means by this;
> Florian; Could you perhaps elaborate a little on this ? 
Ok, but it will be a little bit longish...

Originally an arpeggiator as in Roland Jupiter Series, in SH101 or in 
the Korg Monopoly/Polysix was a simply "misusage" of the keyboard 
scanning electronics. The keyboard of these synths is like a matrix 
scanner. The electronics send addresses (usally 6Bit) in a certain order 
to this matrix, read the data (=pressed keys) from this matrix into a 
buffer, and distribute these (key-)data from the buffer to the sound 
generation.

Usually this reading from the buffer is very(!) fast (at some hundered 
kHz rate). For arpeggiating the buffer is simply read slowly at the rate 
of the (internal or external) clock of the arpeggio.
So at each trigger of the clocksignal provides the next key data to the 
sound generation.

For up, down, up/down arpeggios you simply change the way the matrix of 
the keyboard is addressed. whether the adresses are counted up or down 
or....

This is the classic arppeggio function in basic.

Now you may imagine, that it would be great to have influence on the 
address data of the keyboard scanner. Example: normally the order of the 
notes are
  adresse 000 001 010 011 100 101 110 111  (order= a0 a1 a2)
  notes    c   c#  d   d#  e   f   f#  g
If I press a c-major the order of the notes in the buffer will be
"c e g". A c-sus9 will be "c d f g"

Now i simply invert adress a1:
  adresse 010 011 000 001 110 111 100 101
  notes    d   d#  c   c#  f#  g   e   f
Now the order of the notes in the buffer (and the order of an arpeggio) 
will be "c g e". The c-sus9 is now "d c g f"

You see that a simple conversion of the address data does create 
complete new arpeggio patterns. Imagine what is possible, if you do such 
conversion depending on other sequencings, on states of some 
controlvoltages or what ever...



I know, that a MIDI based arpeggiator system would have to simulate 
this, but I think, it would be worth the effort :-)



Florian

Re: ideas/opinions on quantizer and (VC) arpeggiator

2006-05-17 by levka0

Many thanks Florian !

This is a very clear explanation to me.

So for a 6 bit buffer, 32 adresses would be scanned an their order
could be remapped according to a certain control voltage ?
Reminds me of a wavetable.
Instead of the usual up/down/up+down order, this would mean an almost
infinite number of patterns (that is, if all 32 adresses are filled)
Probably 4 bit (8 notes ?) should be enough and would keep this
feasible regarding the number of possible sequences.

I think this could be a very interesting & exciting concept for a module.

Best regards
Joost




--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander
<Florian.Anwander@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Levka
> 
> > I do not yet understand completely what Florian means by this;
> > Florian; Could you perhaps elaborate a little on this ? 
> Ok, but it will be a little bit longish...
> 
> Originally an arpeggiator as in Roland Jupiter Series, in SH101 or in 
> the Korg Monopoly/Polysix was a simply "misusage" of the keyboard 
> scanning electronics. The keyboard of these synths is like a matrix 
> scanner. The electronics send addresses (usally 6Bit) in a certain
order 
> to this matrix, read the data (=pressed keys) from this matrix into a 
> buffer, and distribute these (key-)data from the buffer to the sound 
> generation.
> 
> Usually this reading from the buffer is very(!) fast (at some hundered 
> kHz rate). For arpeggiating the buffer is simply read slowly at the
rate 
> of the (internal or external) clock of the arpeggio.
> So at each trigger of the clocksignal provides the next key data to the 
> sound generation.
> 
> For up, down, up/down arpeggios you simply change the way the matrix of 
> the keyboard is addressed. whether the adresses are counted up or down 
> or....
> 
> This is the classic arppeggio function in basic.
> 
> Now you may imagine, that it would be great to have influence on the 
> address data of the keyboard scanner. Example: normally the order of
the 
> notes are
>   adresse 000 001 010 011 100 101 110 111  (order= a0 a1 a2)
>   notes    c   c#  d   d#  e   f   f#  g
> If I press a c-major the order of the notes in the buffer will be
> "c e g". A c-sus9 will be "c d f g"
> 
> Now i simply invert adress a1:
>   adresse 010 011 000 001 110 111 100 101
>   notes    d   d#  c   c#  f#  g   e   f
> Now the order of the notes in the buffer (and the order of an arpeggio) 
> will be "c g e". The c-sus9 is now "d c g f"
> 
> You see that a simple conversion of the address data does create 
> complete new arpeggio patterns. Imagine what is possible, if you do
such 
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> conversion depending on other sequencings, on states of some 
> controlvoltages or what ever...
> 
> 
> 
> I know, that a MIDI based arpeggiator system would have to simulate 
> this, but I think, it would be worth the effort :-)
> 
> 
> 
> Florian
>

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: ideas/opinions on quantizer and (VC) arpeggiator

2006-05-17 by Bakis Sirros

hello levka,
4bits would make 16 different combinations/values
(notes, in our case?), and 6bits would be 64 different
combinations/values. (its all powers of 2)
regards,
Bakis.




--- levka0 <levka@dds.nl> wrote:

> Many thanks Florian !
> 
> This is a very clear explanation to me.
> 
> So for a 6 bit buffer, 32 adresses would be scanned
> an their order
> could be remapped according to a certain control
> voltage ?
> Reminds me of a wavetable.
> Instead of the usual up/down/up+down order, this
> would mean an almost
> infinite number of patterns (that is, if all 32
> adresses are filled)
> Probably 4 bit (8 notes ?) should be enough and
> would keep this
> feasible regarding the number of possible sequences.
> 
> I think this could be a very interesting & exciting
> concept for a module.
> 
> Best regards
> Joost
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian
> Anwander
> <Florian.Anwander@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Levka
> > 
> > > I do not yet understand completely what Florian
> means by this;
> > > Florian; Could you perhaps elaborate a little on
> this ? 
> > Ok, but it will be a little bit longish...
> > 
> > Originally an arpeggiator as in Roland Jupiter
> Series, in SH101 or in 
> > the Korg Monopoly/Polysix was a simply "misusage"
> of the keyboard 
> > scanning electronics. The keyboard of these synths
> is like a matrix 
> > scanner. The electronics send addresses (usally
> 6Bit) in a certain
> order 
> > to this matrix, read the data (=pressed keys) from
> this matrix into a 
> > buffer, and distribute these (key-)data from the
> buffer to the sound 
> > generation.
> > 
> > Usually this reading from the buffer is very(!)
> fast (at some hundered 
> > kHz rate). For arpeggiating the buffer is simply
> read slowly at the
> rate 
> > of the (internal or external) clock of the
> arpeggio.
> > So at each trigger of the clocksignal provides the
> next key data to the 
> > sound generation.
> > 
> > For up, down, up/down arpeggios you simply change
> the way the matrix of 
> > the keyboard is addressed. whether the adresses
> are counted up or down 
> > or....
> > 
> > This is the classic arppeggio function in basic.
> > 
> > Now you may imagine, that it would be great to
> have influence on the 
> > address data of the keyboard scanner. Example:
> normally the order of
> the 
> > notes are
> >   adresse 000 001 010 011 100 101 110 111  (order=
> a0 a1 a2)
> >   notes    c   c#  d   d#  e   f   f#  g
> > If I press a c-major the order of the notes in the
> buffer will be
> > "c e g". A c-sus9 will be "c d f g"
> > 
> > Now i simply invert adress a1:
> >   adresse 010 011 000 001 110 111 100 101
> >   notes    d   d#  c   c#  f#  g   e   f
> > Now the order of the notes in the buffer (and the
> order of an arpeggio) 
> > will be "c g e". The c-sus9 is now "d c g f"
> > 
> > You see that a simple conversion of the address
> data does create 
> > complete new arpeggio patterns. Imagine what is
> possible, if you do
> such 
> > conversion depending on other sequencings, on
> states of some 
> > controlvoltages or what ever...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I know, that a MIDI based arpeggiator system would
> have to simulate 
> > this, but I think, it would be worth the effort
> :-)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Florian
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
http://www.parallel-worlds-music.com
http://www.myspace.com/parallelworldsmusic
http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
http://www.rubber.gr
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AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: ideas/opinions on quantizer and (VC) arpeggiator

2006-05-18 by Dieter Doepfer

Sounds interesting for me too. How should the input of the notes be
managed - if not via Midi (e.g. with several CV inputs)? Or is Midi the only
option from your point of view ? Or a separate keyboard just for this
function (e.g. with small buttons only, like the buttons used in the A-107
or A-113) ?

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von levka0
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2006 20:39
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Re: ideas/opinions on quantizer and (VC)
> arpeggiator
>
>
> Many thanks Florian !
>
> This is a very clear explanation to me.
>
> So for a 6 bit buffer, 32 adresses would be scanned an their order
> could be remapped according to a certain control voltage ?
> Reminds me of a wavetable.
> Instead of the usual up/down/up+down order, this would mean an almost
> infinite number of patterns (that is, if all 32 adresses are filled)
> Probably 4 bit (8 notes ?) should be enough and would keep this
> feasible regarding the number of possible sequences.
>
> I think this could be a very interesting & exciting concept for a module.
>
> Best regards
> Joost
>
>
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander
> <Florian.Anwander@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Levka
> >
> > > I do not yet understand completely what Florian means by this;
> > > Florian; Could you perhaps elaborate a little on this ?
> > Ok, but it will be a little bit longish...
> >
> > Originally an arpeggiator as in Roland Jupiter Series, in SH101 or in
> > the Korg Monopoly/Polysix was a simply "misusage" of the keyboard
> > scanning electronics. The keyboard of these synths is like a matrix
> > scanner. The electronics send addresses (usally 6Bit) in a certain
> order
> > to this matrix, read the data (=pressed keys) from this matrix into a
> > buffer, and distribute these (key-)data from the buffer to the sound
> > generation.
> >
> > Usually this reading from the buffer is very(!) fast (at some hundered
> > kHz rate). For arpeggiating the buffer is simply read slowly at the
> rate
> > of the (internal or external) clock of the arpeggio.
> > So at each trigger of the clocksignal provides the next key data to the
> > sound generation.
> >
> > For up, down, up/down arpeggios you simply change the way the matrix of
> > the keyboard is addressed. whether the adresses are counted up or down
> > or....
> >
> > This is the classic arppeggio function in basic.
> >
> > Now you may imagine, that it would be great to have influence on the
> > address data of the keyboard scanner. Example: normally the order of
> the
> > notes are
> >   adresse 000 001 010 011 100 101 110 111  (order= a0 a1 a2)
> >   notes    c   c#  d   d#  e   f   f#  g
> > If I press a c-major the order of the notes in the buffer will be
> > "c e g". A c-sus9 will be "c d f g"
> >
> > Now i simply invert adress a1:
> >   adresse 010 011 000 001 110 111 100 101
> >   notes    d   d#  c   c#  f#  g   e   f
> > Now the order of the notes in the buffer (and the order of an arpeggio)
> > will be "c g e". The c-sus9 is now "d c g f"
> >
> > You see that a simple conversion of the address data does create
> > complete new arpeggio patterns. Imagine what is possible, if you do
> such
> > conversion depending on other sequencings, on states of some
> > controlvoltages or what ever...
> >
> >
> >
> > I know, that a MIDI based arpeggiator system would have to simulate
> > this, but I think, it would be worth the effort :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Florian
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: ideas/opinions on quantizer and (VC) arpeggiator

2006-05-18 by Florian Anwander

Hi Dieter

> Sounds interesting for me too. How should the input of the notes be
> managed - if not via Midi (e.g. with several CV inputs)? Or is Midi the only
> option from your point of view ? Or a separate keyboard just for this
> function (e.g. with small buttons only, like the buttons used in the A-107
> or A-113) ?
The hardware solution (separate keyboard) would be kind of "analogue 
sexy" :-). There are also some other tricks, that could be done with 
such a keyboard.
But I think the (economically) best noteinput would be midi, because it 
would make the module also usable standalone for other (non modular) 
users. Also such a PIC or uP based module could be extended without a 
problem to a single track sequencer (you remember the SH-101 sequencer I 
showed you some years ago?).

For the technical side:
I don't know how MIDI arpeggiators are programmed in detail, but I 
assume, that there is a buffer which is a mix of a fifo and an 
addressable memory.

Since we do not have a real addressbus to modify (everything is handled 
within a PIC or uP), there should be an external Dataword which can be 
set manually. This data word is digitally AND'ed with the uP-internal 
address that reads the buffer.
The external dataword could be four or more switches, which give 0 or 5 
volts, and a corresponding count of input sockets, that are read as 
binary (eventually with comparators, so one could use continuous control 
voltages as input).

Florian

Switch converter Module

2006-05-18 by sfrules

Avanti!

This is to elaborate on my suggestion for a new module.
One module that does not seem to be available anywhere,
but can tie up larger modules is a module
to convert Switch-to-Trigger (Moog equipment) and
Trigger-to-Switch (almost everybody else's equipment).

You can buy a cable to convert voltage-to-switch.
And lots of plug connector adaptors.
Nobody, it seems, offers a cable for Switch-to-Voltage.
These are vitally important to envelope generators.

A dedicated module for this would have virtually no
competitors.  Hopefully, it could be done in 4HP
with Cinch-Jones jacks where needed and 1/4 inch
jacks where needed.

I think it would be a great idea to allow people with
older Moog equipment to interface easily.
Using the Doepfer to control a Moog modular,
or a Classic Moog keyboard (MicroMoog) to
control a Doepfer Modular drags us all
(enthusiastically!!!) into the 21st Century!

Best wishes,
(and MANY THANKS)

sfrules

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Switch converter Module

2006-05-18 by Florian Anwander

Hi Steven

> I think it would be a great idea to allow people with
> older Moog equipment to interface easily.
I confirm this. And it is not only Moog equipment which matters here. 
There is a lot of gear which offers or expects switched out/inputs. In 
my equipment beside my Moogs: the MonoPoly arpeggiator clock, several 
roland start/stop foot connectors, lots of foot pedals connectors of 
digital effects!

A switch-gate to voltage-gate for both directions would be great.

And one addition from my side: The voltage-to-switch part should also 
contain not only a on/off but also a flip switch connection like:
- output as stereo jack socket
- 0 volt connects shaft and ring
- 5 volt connects shaft and tip

Best regards, Florian

Re: ideas/opinions on quantizer and (VC) arpeggiator

2006-05-20 by levka0

Dear Dieter, Florian, Bakis, David ....
Personally, I would prefer a "simple" approach as follows:


-midi-in and -thru (to be able to link more units ... )

-cv and gate out 
(with PCB-mounted dip switch to be able to drive the internal system bus)

-control pot & cv in for gate-out length

-three-way switch & cv in for octave range

-control pot & cv in for the note order cq. buffer readout order.
(according to Florian's earlier suggestions; 
for the latter, a memory function + two-digit LED readout (like on the
A-107) could be a nice extra but not essential.

-mabe also a cv-controlled clock divider/multiplier for the gate out?

I agree that a separate "mini-keyboard" (like on the TB-303) might
look sexy, but I doubt that it would sell very well, and I think that
in any case, a midi-input would make it most versatile for a wide
range of users.

Best regards,
Joost






--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@...>
wrote:
>
> Sounds interesting for me too. How should the input of the notes be
> managed - if not via Midi (e.g. with several CV inputs)? Or is Midi
the only
> option from your point of view ? Or a separate keyboard just for this
> function (e.g. with small buttons only, like the buttons used in the
A-107
> or A-113) ?
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
> 
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von levka0
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Mai 2006 20:39
> > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Re: ideas/opinions on quantizer and (VC)
> > arpeggiator
> >
> >
> > Many thanks Florian !
> >
> > This is a very clear explanation to me.
> >
> > So for a 6 bit buffer, 32 adresses would be scanned an their order
> > could be remapped according to a certain control voltage ?
> > Reminds me of a wavetable.
> > Instead of the usual up/down/up+down order, this would mean an almost
> > infinite number of patterns (that is, if all 32 adresses are filled)
> > Probably 4 bit (8 notes ?) should be enough and would keep this
> > feasible regarding the number of possible sequences.
> >
> > I think this could be a very interesting & exciting concept for a
module.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Joost
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander
> > <Florian.Anwander@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Levka
> > >
> > > > I do not yet understand completely what Florian means by this;
> > > > Florian; Could you perhaps elaborate a little on this ?
> > > Ok, but it will be a little bit longish...
> > >
> > > Originally an arpeggiator as in Roland Jupiter Series, in SH101
or in
> > > the Korg Monopoly/Polysix was a simply "misusage" of the keyboard
> > > scanning electronics. The keyboard of these synths is like a matrix
> > > scanner. The electronics send addresses (usally 6Bit) in a certain
> > order
> > > to this matrix, read the data (=pressed keys) from this matrix
into a
> > > buffer, and distribute these (key-)data from the buffer to the sound
> > > generation.
> > >
> > > Usually this reading from the buffer is very(!) fast (at some
hundered
> > > kHz rate). For arpeggiating the buffer is simply read slowly at the
> > rate
> > > of the (internal or external) clock of the arpeggio.
> > > So at each trigger of the clocksignal provides the next key data
to the
> > > sound generation.
> > >
> > > For up, down, up/down arpeggios you simply change the way the
matrix of
> > > the keyboard is addressed. whether the adresses are counted up
or down
> > > or....
> > >
> > > This is the classic arppeggio function in basic.
> > >
> > > Now you may imagine, that it would be great to have influence on the
> > > address data of the keyboard scanner. Example: normally the order of
> > the
> > > notes are
> > >   adresse 000 001 010 011 100 101 110 111  (order= a0 a1 a2)
> > >   notes    c   c#  d   d#  e   f   f#  g
> > > If I press a c-major the order of the notes in the buffer will be
> > > "c e g". A c-sus9 will be "c d f g"
> > >
> > > Now i simply invert adress a1:
> > >   adresse 010 011 000 001 110 111 100 101
> > >   notes    d   d#  c   c#  f#  g   e   f
> > > Now the order of the notes in the buffer (and the order of an
arpeggio)
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> > > will be "c g e". The c-sus9 is now "d c g f"
> > >
> > > You see that a simple conversion of the address data does create
> > > complete new arpeggio patterns. Imagine what is possible, if you do
> > such
> > > conversion depending on other sequencings, on states of some
> > > controlvoltages or what ever...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I know, that a MIDI based arpeggiator system would have to simulate
> > > this, but I think, it would be worth the effort :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Florian
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: ideas/opinions on quantizer and (VC) arpeggiator

2006-05-21 by sfrules

Hello,

I am getting major confused.
There is much talk of a quantizer
and much talk of an arpeggiator.

I can roughly follow each, but
when you speak of putting them in
the same module my cerebral cortex
shorts out!!!

Is it possible that an arpeggiator
would make a better stand-alone module?
Cheeper, too?

sfrules

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: ideas/opinions on quantizer and (VC) arpeggiator

2006-05-21 by Anton Coops

Hi there sfrules,

I admit that I used the a-word in my quantizer-idea, but only to make 
it clear that the output of a quantizer doesn't have to be limited to 
scales, but that even *arpeggio-like* patterns should be possivble, 
and even patterns spanning more than one octave. 

Florian and Joosts postings about an arpeggio-generator are quite a 
different cup of tea, because a *classic* arpeggio is derived from a 
chord (a few different voltages/midi values at the same time) and a 
... well .. *pseudo-arpeggio* (?) from a quantizer would be derived 
from one single (monophonic?) dynamic voltage. That's quite 
different. Personally I like both ideas.

Anton
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On 21 May 2006, at 10:30, sfrules wrote:

> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am getting major confused.
> There is much talk of a quantizer
> and much talk of an arpeggiator.
> 
> I can roughly follow each, but
> when you speak of putting them in
> the same module my cerebral cortex
> shorts out!!!
> 
> Is it possible that an arpeggiator
> would make a better stand-alone module?
> Cheeper, too?
> 
> sfrules
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
>

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Switch converter Module

2006-06-27 by Bakis Sirros

so, florian, please tell me a simple and
understandable poll that i should create about such a
"switch converter module". as fas as i understand, it
will be a module that can "connect" the 0 to 5 volts
gate outputs of the a100 with some of the inputs of
various monosynths and drum machines that require a
"switch"(either on or off) type foot pedal, am i
right? i think that my korg minipops 120 required such
pedals...
thanks,
Bakis.




--- Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
wrote:

> Hi Steven
> 
> > I think it would be a great idea to allow people
> with
> > older Moog equipment to interface easily.
> I confirm this. And it is not only Moog equipment
> which matters here. 
> There is a lot of gear which offers or expects
> switched out/inputs. In 
> my equipment beside my Moogs: the MonoPoly
> arpeggiator clock, several 
> roland start/stop foot connectors, lots of foot
> pedals connectors of 
> digital effects!
> 
> A switch-gate to voltage-gate for both directions
> would be great.
> 
> And one addition from my side: The voltage-to-switch
> part should also 
> contain not only a on/off but also a flip switch
> connection like:
> - output as stereo jack socket
> - 0 volt connects shaft and ring
> - 5 volt connects shaft and tip
> 
> Best regards, Florian
> 
> 


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polls, Re: [Doepfer_a100] Switch converter Module

2006-06-28 by Florian Anwander

Hi Bakis


> so, florian, please tell me a simple and
> understandable poll that i should create about such a
> "switch converter module". 
Sorry, I am quite busy in the job at the moment, so it might take some days.

Florian

AW: [Doepfer_a100] Switch converter Module

2006-06-28 by Dieter Doepfer

Most of these function can be realized with a slightly modified A-175, A-177
and A-181 (please refer to the DIY page 4.2.6.). I'm not sure if a separate
module is necessary. But if there are sufficient inquiries such a module
would be no problem for us. It's very simple.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Bakis Sirros
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Juni 2006 19:10
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Switch converter Module
>
>
> so, florian, please tell me a simple and
> understandable poll that i should create about such a
> "switch converter module". as fas as i understand, it
> will be a module that can "connect" the 0 to 5 volts
> gate outputs of the a100 with some of the inputs of
> various monosynths and drum machines that require a
> "switch"(either on or off) type foot pedal, am i
> right? i think that my korg minipops 120 required such
> pedals...
> thanks,
> Bakis.
>
>
>
>
> --- Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Steven
> >
> > > I think it would be a great idea to allow people
> > with
> > > older Moog equipment to interface easily.
> > I confirm this. And it is not only Moog equipment
> > which matters here.
> > There is a lot of gear which offers or expects
> > switched out/inputs. In
> > my equipment beside my Moogs: the MonoPoly
> > arpeggiator clock, several
> > roland start/stop foot connectors, lots of foot
> > pedals connectors of
> > digital effects!
> >
> > A switch-gate to voltage-gate for both directions
> > would be great.
> >
> > And one addition from my side: The voltage-to-switch
> > part should also
> > contain not only a on/off but also a flip switch
> > connection like:
> > - output as stereo jack socket
> > - 0 volt connects shaft and ring
> > - 5 volt connects shaft and tip
> >
> > Best regards, Florian
> >
> >
>
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> http://www.parallel-worlds-music.com
> http://www.myspace.com/parallelworldsmusic
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>
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Re: polls, Re: [Doepfer_a100] Switch converter Module

2006-06-28 by Bakis Sirros

ok florian, no problem.
best regards,
bakis.




--- Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
wrote:

> Hi Bakis
> 
> 
> > so, florian, please tell me a simple and
> > understandable poll that i should create about
> such a
> > "switch converter module". 
> Sorry, I am quite busy in the job at the moment, so
> it might take some days.
> 
> Florian
> 
> 


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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Switch converter Module

2006-07-03 by Florian Anwander

Hi Bakis,

here comes my description for the poll. Compared to my former suggestion 
I added a small additional feature: a reed-relais out. Usually switches 
are realized by transistors that shorten the connections. There may be 
gear (guitar-amps, dimmerpacks) that requires galvanic separation and/or 
higher loads, which cannot be provided by simple transistors. So a 
switching over relais might be required. But this would be an additional 
feature.


Bakis Sirros wrote:
> so, florian, please tell me a simple and
> understandable poll that i should create about such a
> "switch converter module". 

Should Doepfer make a module that features the conversion between 
voltage based gate signals and switched keycontrol connections.

General purpose: interface switched gear (like some Moog and Korg 
synths, footswitch controlers etc.) with voltage based gate gear (like 
A-100, Roland synths,...)

Connectors:
- "Gate in tip" (3,5mm)
- "Gate in ring" (3,5mm) connected via socket switch to
   the inverted signal of "Gate in tip"
- "Gate out" (3,5mm)
- "Switched socket in" (2-poles 6,3mmm)
- "Switched socket out" (3-poles 6,3mmm)
Manual switch:
- "Gate out inverted/not-inverted"

Functions:
- closed connection bewteen tip and shaft of "Switched socket in"
   produces logical high signal (10V) at gate out (if manual switch is
   set to not-inverted), open connection between tip and shaft of
   "Switched socket in" produces logical low signal (10V) at gate out.
- logical high signal (>0.5V) at "gate in tip", nothing connected
   to "gate in ring", causes the connection tip/shaft to be closed
   and the connection ring/shaft to be opened.
- logical low at "gate in tip" causes the inverted setting of tip/shaft-
   and ring/shaft connections.
- inserting a cable to "Gate in ring" causes a separate control for the
   ring/shaft conection of "Switched socket out".


Possible addon:
- real switches (reed-relais) instead of transistor switching for
   the "Switched out socket"



Question
[ ] We don't need such a module.
[ ] I would buy the version without the reed-relais addon.
[ ] I would buy the version whith the reed-relais addon.
[ ] I would not buy such a module, but I think other people
     might need it.



Best regards, Florian

Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Switch converter Module

2006-07-03 by Bakis Sirros

hello dieter,
well, i would want such a module, as i have an old
preset drum machine and also old korg strings
(PE1000)and tape echoes that have many foot-switch
jack inputs.
best regards,
bakis.



--- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@doepfer.de> wrote:

> Most of these function can be realized with a
> slightly modified A-175, A-177
> and A-181 (please refer to the DIY page 4.2.6.). I'm
> not sure if a separate
> module is necessary. But if there are sufficient
> inquiries such a module
> would be no problem for us. It's very simple.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
> 
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag
> von Bakis Sirros
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Juni 2006 19:10
> > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Switch converter
> Module
> >
> >
> > so, florian, please tell me a simple and
> > understandable poll that i should create about
> such a
> > "switch converter module". as fas as i understand,
> it
> > will be a module that can "connect" the 0 to 5
> volts
> > gate outputs of the a100 with some of the inputs
> of
> > various monosynths and drum machines that require
> a
> > "switch"(either on or off) type foot pedal, am i
> > right? i think that my korg minipops 120 required
> such
> > pedals...
> > thanks,
> > Bakis.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Steven
> > >
> > > > I think it would be a great idea to allow
> people
> > > with
> > > > older Moog equipment to interface easily.
> > > I confirm this. And it is not only Moog
> equipment
> > > which matters here.
> > > There is a lot of gear which offers or expects
> > > switched out/inputs. In
> > > my equipment beside my Moogs: the MonoPoly
> > > arpeggiator clock, several
> > > roland start/stop foot connectors, lots of foot
> > > pedals connectors of
> > > digital effects!
> > >
> > > A switch-gate to voltage-gate for both
> directions
> > > would be great.
> > >
> > > And one addition from my side: The
> voltage-to-switch
> > > part should also
> > > contain not only a on/off but also a flip switch
> > > connection like:
> > > - output as stereo jack socket
> > > - 0 volt connects shaft and ring
> > > - 5 volt connects shaft and tip
> > >
> > > Best regards, Florian
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > http://www.parallel-worlds-music.com
> > http://www.myspace.com/parallelworldsmusic
> > http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
> > http://www.rubber.gr
> > Athens-Greece
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Switch converter Module

2006-07-05 by Bakis Sirros

hello florian,
thanks for creating the poll. actually, i was
intending to create it during one of these days...
but why did you gave it a duration of only 2 weeks?
best regards,
Bakis.



--- Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
wrote:

> Hi Bakis,
> 
> here comes my description for the poll. Compared to
> my former suggestion 
> I added a small additional feature: a reed-relais
> out. Usually switches 
> are realized by transistors that shorten the
> connections. There may be 
> gear (guitar-amps, dimmerpacks) that requires
> galvanic separation and/or 
> higher loads, which cannot be provided by simple
> transistors. So a 
> switching over relais might be required. But this
> would be an additional 
> feature.
> 
> 
> Bakis Sirros wrote:
> > so, florian, please tell me a simple and
> > understandable poll that i should create about
> such a
> > "switch converter module". 
> 
> Should Doepfer make a module that features the
> conversion between 
> voltage based gate signals and switched keycontrol
> connections.
> 
> General purpose: interface switched gear (like some
> Moog and Korg 
> synths, footswitch controlers etc.) with voltage
> based gate gear (like 
> A-100, Roland synths,...)
> 
> Connectors:
> - "Gate in tip" (3,5mm)
> - "Gate in ring" (3,5mm) connected via socket switch
> to
>    the inverted signal of "Gate in tip"
> - "Gate out" (3,5mm)
> - "Switched socket in" (2-poles 6,3mmm)
> - "Switched socket out" (3-poles 6,3mmm)
> Manual switch:
> - "Gate out inverted/not-inverted"
> 
> Functions:
> - closed connection bewteen tip and shaft of
> "Switched socket in"
>    produces logical high signal (10V) at gate out
> (if manual switch is
>    set to not-inverted), open connection between tip
> and shaft of
>    "Switched socket in" produces logical low signal
> (10V) at gate out.
> - logical high signal (>0.5V) at "gate in tip",
> nothing connected
>    to "gate in ring", causes the connection
> tip/shaft to be closed
>    and the connection ring/shaft to be opened.
> - logical low at "gate in tip" causes the inverted
> setting of tip/shaft-
>    and ring/shaft connections.
> - inserting a cable to "Gate in ring" causes a
> separate control for the
>    ring/shaft conection of "Switched socket out".
> 
> 
> Possible addon:
> - real switches (reed-relais) instead of transistor
> switching for
>    the "Switched out socket"
> 
> 
> 
> Question
> [ ] We don't need such a module.
> [ ] I would buy the version without the reed-relais
> addon.
> [ ] I would buy the version whith the reed-relais
> addon.
> [ ] I would not buy such a module, but I think other
> people
>      might need it.
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards, Florian
> 
> 


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[Doepfer_a100] group owner
http://www.parallel-worlds-music.com
http://www.myspace.com/parallelworldsmusic
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Switch converter Module

2006-07-06 by Florian Anwander

Hi Bakis

> thanks for creating the poll. actually, i was
> intending to create it during one of these days...
> but why did you gave it a duration of only 2 weeks?
> best regards,

To be honest. To my experience topics fade away from the center of 
interest after one week. At least I vote at the moment I read the poll 
info or I vote never. I made the poll duration that long because I know 
you like long polls. I would stop it after three days (May be this is a 
"typical german" ;-) attitude, but I prefer making decisions in time).

Florian

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Switch converter Module

2006-07-06 by Bakis Sirros

hello florian,
ok, no problem at all.
but, keep in mind that new members are added in an
almost daily basis, so making a poll two months long
gives the opportunity to about 50 more members to vote
in a particular poll.
but, anyway, it's ok.
best regards,
Bakis.




--- Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de>
wrote:

> Hi Bakis
> 
> > thanks for creating the poll. actually, i was
> > intending to create it during one of these days...
> > but why did you gave it a duration of only 2
> weeks?
> > best regards,
> 
> To be honest. To my experience topics fade away from
> the center of 
> interest after one week. At least I vote at the
> moment I read the poll 
> info or I vote never. I made the poll duration that
> long because I know 
> you like long polls. I would stop it after three
> days (May be this is a 
> "typical german" ;-) attitude, but I prefer making
> decisions in time).
> 
> Florian
> 


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http://www.parallel-worlds-music.com
http://www.myspace.com/parallelworldsmusic
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Switch converter Module

2006-07-06 by Florian Anwander

Hi Bakis

> but, keep in mind that new members are added in an
> almost daily basis, so making a poll two months long
> gives the opportunity to about 50 more members to vote
> in a particular poll.
Ok, I'll keep in mind for the future

Florian

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